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What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD?
#23487239 - 07/28/16 08:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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We are having a really good debate over in this thread: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23483315 about the potency of doses of mushrooms compared to doses of LSD.
Clearly this is a highly subjective matter. I argued that 250ug of LSD is stronger than 3.5 grams of mushrooms. A couple others countered saying that 3.5 grams is stronger than 250ug of LSD. I argued against this idea initially based on the questionable dosage of blotter.
Then it occurred to me that there is an entirely different problem, and that I was thinking about this all wrong:
What if one of us is more sensitive to LSD than the other? What if there are a range of different sensitivities to LSD? How would you know whether you were more or less sensitive than the general population? How would you even find out how generally sensitive the general population is to LSD? I know! A poll!
So here it is: a poll:
Edited by nooneman (07/28/16 08:30 PM)
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: nooneman]
#23487263 - 07/28/16 08:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its so hard to tell I find. 3.5 has given me complete ego death where another has barley hit me. LSD is very consistent with its effects, I feel like Isaid in the other thread that its very setting dependent. Moreso than mushrooms. 250/350 ug lsd has been really intense and overwhelming and other times it was super smooth, Im just as high but easier managable if other people are there and youre not alone with your thoughts or any real anchors or people to relate to with your experience. haha sorry im baked and rambling
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: SonicTitan]
#23487273 - 07/28/16 08:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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100ug to 150ug would be a similar experience(in intensity) to 3.5g shrooms in my actual experiences
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: nooneman]
#23487293 - 07/28/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I should have made this poll use ranges instead of numbers

Everybody just assume that 100 is range 100-199 and so on. I'm afraid editing the poll might fuck it up.
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: nooneman]
#23487321 - 07/28/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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People who are microdosing will tell you something totally different than people who take 3.5 g say. I find it difficult to compare because LSD is entirely different in its effect than mushrooms even though I consider both true psychedelics.
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: sunshine]
#23487326 - 07/28/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Of good potency cubes, I would say about 175ug equals an 1/8th in terms of ego dissolution. Though I can't say for sure as I have never eaten mushrooms normally, I always make lemon tek tea. 3.5g lemon tek feels like 175ug of LSD, in terms of "intensity" and ego shedding, the other effects can't be compared.
I would take an 1/8tg over 250ug any day, to me that's a crazy comparison, 250ug would feel like the intensity of 5gs to me. Though you have to take into account not everyone knows their proper dosage of LSD and most the time it's lower than what they think it is, luckily this issue is being resolved recently with the big market of L
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: nooneman]
#23487328 - 07/28/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is an interesting subject because I feel that both are so different.. Like even in the qualities they share they're very stylized
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: sunshine]
#23487560 - 07/28/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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sunshine said: People who are microdosing will tell you something totally different than people who take 3.5 g say. I find it difficult to compare because LSD is entirely different in its effect than mushrooms even though I consider both true psychedelics.
Yeah, I can completely understand that. They are very different. It's almost apples to oranges.
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: nooneman]
#23487591 - 07/28/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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how many apples equal an orange? They're different chemicals...
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: nooneman]
#23488010 - 07/29/16 01:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I want to know who the people are who voted 500+ug
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: nooneman]
#23488300 - 07/29/16 05:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Before I had tried Shrooms and LSD I always loved reading about the differences. The fact is though now having done them both numerous times, they just can't be compared.
Two completely different drugs. LSD is a lot more predictable as a blotter from the same strip will be relatively equal to each other. Shrooms vary massively in strength.
Then there's the question of sensitivity in individuals.
One thing I've noticed shrooms do to me that LSD doesn't is they affect my hearing. Things can seem louder or quieter than they are. I've never had this on LSD.
One thing LSD can do that I've not had on shrooms is synesthesia. Sounds invoking colors. I can function relatively well on LSD when beyond the peak play the guitar etc. Not so much with shrooms.
I just think LSD is stronger primarily due to the duration. 300ug will have you on a powerful trip that lasts.
An 8th of shrooms will never go beyond 6 hours.
Shrooms are more of a medicine than a recreational psychedelic. LSD can be both but it's all down to how you direct it.
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: sunshine]
#23488346 - 07/29/16 06:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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sunshine said: People who are microdosing will tell you something totally different than people who take 3.5 g say. I find it difficult to compare because LSD is entirely different in its effect than mushrooms even though I consider both true psychedelics.
I microdrose tea every day, .2-.25g, and L every other day when I don't drink tea, 1/5th of 1 tab(I'm not sure the amount on tab). 1g is a level 3 trip for me so i equate that with one standard dose of L. And 3.5g would then be 350ug. I used to take 3.5g when I first discovered these things, but now I never take more than half that to have level 5 trip. I wonder if this is consistent with what sunshine said above
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: towelie2016]
#23489257 - 07/29/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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For me, 3.5 grams is a very comfortable starter dose. Nowhere near ego death/"level 5." 1 gram for me is practically micro dosing, maybe just barely a ++ (maybe) but almost no visuals. I prefer something in the 4.5-6 gram range, and it doesn't really start getting crazy for me until over 5-6. I would place 3.5 grams at a low +++.
I remember a time on these forums where people used to talk about 3.5 grams as almost being a low dose, and when everyone used to go on and on about heroic doses. I remember tons of people arguing that 4-5 grams was where it got interesting and that there was no point in dosing lower unless you were just looking for a nice casual low dose experience.
Times have changed. Now 3.5 grams is considered a high dose by some people. Craziness.
The worst part is, I don't know if you guys are just full of shit, or if you're honestly tripping balls off 3.5. I give everyone here the benefit of the doubt, but it's hard because I remember when this forum would have given me a totally different response.
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: nooneman]
#23489305 - 07/29/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I consider 3.5 a starting point. Never been tore up from that amount. No matter the potency.
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: Urmomma]
#23489338 - 07/29/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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my first 3.5g trip was insane
i'm coming down now off a ~2 hit LSD trip that was no where near as intense. hits were advertised as 100's, but who knows? i can't really compare it to anything since my last L prior to this was decades ago
each time was with no tolerance
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: LuzaW]
#23489444 - 07/29/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Everyone's perception of reality is different so maybe that is the defining factor to what people experience on these drugs. To one person 300ug could be a walk in the park but 2g of mushrooms could set them over the edge. They both do very different things to the body and maybe each chemical could have underlying differences to how they react to each individual.
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: SonicTitan]
#23489453 - 07/29/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rather simple solution on the genes or the type of mushroom your dealing with.... I have taken 3.5 gs of mushrooms and.barely tripped but I handled 3 hits of acid fairly well my first time there was aome.anxiety and the wrong setting but I eventually gave in and started to have a great time after the first couple hours.
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: Kinko]
#23489463 - 07/29/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think some strong gene 8th of mushrooms is equivalent to 400 or 500 micrograms of lsd. Arent cyans 2.5 x more potent than cubensis or some ahit.?
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: nooneman]
#23492802 - 07/30/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nooneman said: For me, 3.5 grams is a very comfortable starter dose. Nowhere near ego death/"level 5." 1 gram for me is practically micro dosing, maybe just barely a ++ (maybe) but almost no visuals. I prefer something in the 4.5-6 gram range, and it doesn't really start getting crazy for me until over 5-6. I would place 3.5 grams at a low +++.
I remember a time on these forums where people used to talk about 3.5 grams as almost being a low dose, and when everyone used to go on and on about heroic doses. I remember tons of people arguing that 4-5 grams was where it got interesting and that there was no point in dosing lower unless you were just looking for a nice casual low dose experience.
Times have changed. Now 3.5 grams is considered a high dose by some people. Craziness.
The worst part is, I don't know if you guys are just full of shit, or if you're honestly tripping balls off 3.5. I give everyone here the benefit of the doubt, but it's hard because I remember when this forum would have given me a totally different response.
Nah man, it's hard to be doing these things and throwing shits around at the same time. When I first started, I used to have to take dosages similar to yours to have level 4 or 5 trip. like 3.5 was my absolute minimum (I took 2g one time and all it gave me was a little body buzz and I swore I'd never take less than an 8th again). Then I stop using for about 5 years due to a psychosis that last bout 3 years. But I never lost my faith in these medicines because of what it has shown me and the person that it helped me become. When I did feel that I was well recovered, I seeked the medicine out. Starting out at 1.5g and work my way up because I was being really cautious. I didn't want to start out too low or too high. but with that 1.5 gram I had a level 5 trip. I tried 1g, and it was a level 3 trip. I microdosed at .2g everyday and it gives me energy for the whole day, mind and perception are greatly enhanced as well. It just seems to improve the quality of reality to a point where I can say "yup, this is life", even when working at my boring 8 to 5 job. Anyways, it seems like my metabolism or body has changed compared to 5 years go, hence the kind of dosage that I'm using. And I am not sure why.
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: towelie2016]
#23492871 - 07/30/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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towelie2016 said: with that 1.5 gram I had a level 5 trip.
No. Just no. At some point you have to call someone on their bullshit, and this is my limit. This is bullshit.
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: nooneman]
#23492905 - 07/30/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was one of the ones who voted 500 lol, personally for me mushrooms are much more intense and unpredictable. Most LSD i've ever taken at once is about 1200 ug, it was really good acid too, yet somehow my first 4g mushroom trip ended up being alot more intense i'd say comparable to DMT or Salvia. Shrooms just hit me way harder for some reason.
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: nooneman]
#23492987 - 07/30/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I just chose 300ug because to me rounding up is fair since I was the one who originally brought up the 250ug comparison.
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nooneman said: What if one of us is more sensitive to LSD than the other? What if there are a range of different sensitivities to LSD?
My question to you is why does me saying 3.5 grams of mushrooms equals about 250ug of LSD imply that I'm not as sensitive to LSD as you? You know I never mentioned what actually happens to me on 250ug right? I personally think I trip way harder on 250ug than most people.
You're assuming that just because I said this one thing isn't more powerful that I must think that thing is somehow not powerful?
Me comparing 250ug to an eighth doesn't imply anything. For all you know both of those doses could give me a level 5 on the regular, just because I say one isn't more powerful than the other doesn't mean both aren't powerful as FUCK. 250ug or 3.5 grams is way more than what I would want to take for a normal psychedelic trip these days anyways.
My first trip ever I ate an eighth of shrooms and got a solid level 4 with ego death. Now an eighth get's me level 3 but still...it got me a level 4 the first time so I think saying it's a good or average beginner dose is just foolish to me. But then again the shrooms around my area are really potent and many from out of town get blown away by them.
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23492991 - 07/30/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: I would take an 1/8tg over 250ug any day, to me that's a crazy comparison, 250ug would feel like the intensity of 5gs to me.
Haha what! 5 grams of shrooms is ego death/level 4/5 trip easily. 250ug is a simple level 3 and I can't imagine getting ego death on such a dose..
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23493058 - 07/30/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ive eaten 5 gs without ego death many times even barely feel them and just laughing and having very mild visuals. Depends on the shroom man Ive had many other trips where I lost my ego on less as well.
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: SonicTitan]
#23493072 - 07/30/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've eaten an eighth of shrooms that was even weaker than weed.
I'm talking about average quality obviously. A.K.A. potent as fuck
To me potent mushrooms are average quality. If they aren't then it's not even worth the money. The people in this post saying 3.5 is "chill" or a "starter dose" make shrooms sound like the most boring drug ever. If it was really that weak/boring I wouldn't even be doing them.
If an eighth was weaker than 200ugs then I wouldn't even fuck with shrooms. Good thing that's not reality
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23493082 - 07/30/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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2g is a good starting dose, but ive eaten more on my first go. 3.5 of potent mush would be way too much for a first timer. Unless they have a lot ofexperience with other psychs like DMT or LSD. Even then mushrooms could react totally different to the user.
Average shrooms should be potent you're right. Id like to go picking this fall so I know what I'm getting.. Also theres something gratifying about harvesting your own mushies
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: SonicTitan]
#23493091 - 07/30/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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SonicTitan said: 2g is a good starting dose, but ive eaten more on my first go. 3.5 of potent mush would be way too much for a first timer. Unless they have a lot ofexperience with other psychs like DMT or LSD. Even then mushrooms could react totally different to the user.
Average shrooms should be potent you're right. Id like to go picking this fall so I know what I'm getting.. Also theres something gratifying about harvesting your own mushies 
Yep agree with everything here 
I have yet to pick my own though.
p.s. I still can't believe OP said 1 grams of shrooms for him is practically a "microdose"...that's just crazy
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23493160 - 07/30/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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1g of liberty caps wont do much for me outside of the giggles and euphoria really. I feel 2 g is the least amount for a proper dose to trip on any shroom really. Thats just my experience with mush tho so I could be wrong i guess.
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: nooneman]
#23493195 - 07/30/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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towelie2016 said: with that 1.5 gram I had a level 5 trip.
No. Just no. At some point you have to call someone on their bullshit, and this is my limit. This is bullshit.
This is weird. I'm confused.
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: SonicTitan]
#23493224 - 07/30/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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SonicTitan said: 1g of liberty caps wont do much for me outside of the giggles and euphoria really. I feel 2 g is the least amount for a proper dose to trip on any shroom really. Thats just my experience with mush tho so I could be wrong i guess.
I never got the giggles on shrooms 
Last time I only ate 1 gram of shrooms and had some of the most intense synaesthesia ever. i've had synaesthesia on LSD before but I've had synaesthesia STUPIDLY low doses of shrooms I noticed mixing mushrooms with hash is insane too.
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Re: What equivalent potency is 3.5 grams of mushrooms in LSD? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23493240 - 07/30/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh i do big time haha Atleast for the better part of the come up. If i dose high then things get real serious. Faaaar more serious than a high dose LSD trip.
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#23495422 - 07/31/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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1g = 75ug
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