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OfflineBANANA.MAN
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Re: Seeking popular opinion [Re: Universe]
    #23489822 - 07/29/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Addiction prevents the mind from working normally. And in the case of benzo, alchohol, opioid, ect addiction it prevents the body from working normally too so i would say that addiction fits within the first definition aswell as the second.


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Re: Seeking popular opinion [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23490003 - 07/29/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Addiction is not a disease, that's bullshit. That takes all the responsibility off of the individual. I believe it rewires your brain but it's not a true disease.

I had to go to rehab for opiates and benzos and they force feed you that disease stuff. It makes people weak I feel... and don't get me started on NA or AA and their whole Kool aid. Whatever helps people get better and live productively though. Religion, AA, disease definitions.. whatever helps people.

Edited for tablet using autocorrect like I'm writing on a potato.


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OfflineSyzygisticSoul
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Re: Seeking popular opinion [Re: dcthestar]
    #23490033 - 07/29/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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dcthestar said:


Edited for tablet using autocorrect like I'm writing on a potato.




Da fuck!!! I fucking died laughing. Of all shit a potato comes to mind?


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OfflineAuroraBorealis88
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Re: Seeking popular opinion [Re: Universe]
    #23490043 - 07/29/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Universe said:
Webster says this:

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Simple Definition of disease
: an illness that affects a person, animal, or plant : a condition that prevents the body or mind from working normally
: a problem that a person, group, organization, or society has and cannot stop





For the first one, no. For the second one yes.




What? How is it not the first one?


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OfflineAuroraBorealis88
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Re: Seeking popular opinion [Re: dcthestar]
    #23490051 - 07/29/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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dcthestar said:
Addiction is not a disease, that's bullshit. That takes all the responsibility off of the individual. I believe it rewires your brain but it's not a true disease.

I had to go to rehab for opiates and benzos and they force feed you that disease stuff. It makes people weak I feel... and don't get me started on NA or AA and their whole Kool aid. Whatever helps people get better and live productively though. Religion, AA, disease definitions.. whatever helps people.

Edited for tablet using autocorrect like I'm writing on a potato.




This makes almost no sense.

Also an addiction is completely out of control of the individual so how is it taking away the responsibility of the person?


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Re: Seeking popular opinion [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23490082 - 07/29/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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AuroraBorealis88 said:
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dcthestar said:
Addiction is not a disease, that's bullshit. That takes all the responsibility off of the individual. I believe it rewires your brain but it's not a true disease.

I had to go to rehab for opiates and benzos and they force feed you that disease stuff. It makes people weak I feel... and don't get me started on NA or AA and their whole Kool aid. Whatever helps people get better and live productively though. Religion, AA, disease definitions.. whatever helps people.

Edited for tablet using autocorrect like I'm writing on a potato.




This makes almost no sense.

Also an addiction is completely out of control of the individual so how is it taking away the responsibility of the person?




I meant it takes away the responsibility they played in getting there and I've been to rehab and the disease label provides people with a convenient excuse for their behavior or their lack of fortitude in getting clean. It makes them victims. Ultimately I don't feel too strongly either way and just hope people find help. That's all that really matters.


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Re: Seeking popular opinion [Re: SyzygisticSoul]
    #23490086 - 07/29/16 06:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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SyzygisticSoul said:
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dcthestar said:


Edited for tablet using autocorrect like I'm writing on a potato.




Da fuck!!! I fucking died laughing. Of all shit a potato comes to mind?




Hahaha just felt fitting. Also love sound tribe av bro! My first L trip was at a STS9 show.


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OfflineSyzygisticSoul
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Re: Seeking popular opinion [Re: dcthestar]
    #23490100 - 07/29/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ya I like them but I choose this AV because I feel like it truly enbodies my first real strong dose of L.

Do me a favor DC, go to YouTube and listen to So Devilish by the Underacheivers and get back to me with your thoughts.

I have a wide variety of music I enjoy


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Re: Seeking popular opinion [Re: dcthestar]
    #23490110 - 07/29/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yea but don't you still think it could technically fit the definition of disease?

And they are victims honestly, if you didn't purposely get addicted then you are a victim essentially. Just because you brought yourself to that point doesn't mean you aren't a victim. I don't think saying it is or isn't a disease takes away from the individual's responsibility either. It is a literal chemical imbalance. I don't think saying it's a disease makes them anymore of a victim than they already are.

I think the reason people consider it a disease is the fact that you can't just make it go away. Something like depression you technically could make go away on your own, it may be very hard but at least it's still possible.


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Re: Seeking popular opinion [Re: SyzygisticSoul]
    #23490111 - 07/29/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Good stuff man check out this song. He mentions mushrooms in it :mushroom2:


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Re: Seeking popular opinion [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23490115 - 07/29/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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AuroraBorealis88 said:
Yea but don't you still think it could technically fit the definition of disease?

And they are victims honestly, if you didn't purposely get addicted then you are a victim essentially. Just because you brought yourself to that point doesn't mean you aren't a victim. I don't think saying it is or isn't a disease takes away from the individual's responsibility either. It is a literal chemical imbalance. I don't think saying it's a disease makes them anymore of a victim than they already are.

I think the reason people consider it a disease is the fact that you can't just make it go away. Something like depression you technically could make go away on your own, it may be very hard but at least it's still possible.




I guess I can see that. Good  point... Like I said I just want people to get help and beat it. I've been sober over a year now. I dose psychs and kratom every once in a while so I'm not NA sober lol but I'm in such a better place.


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Re: Seeking popular opinion [Re: dcthestar]
    #23490143 - 07/29/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Fucking dykes, and penicillin shots at the clinic? lol doing too much


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Re: Seeking popular opinion [Re: SyzygisticSoul]
    #23490160 - 07/29/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:grin:15 hits of X in one night lol


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Re: Seeking popular opinion [Re: ByCoverOfNight]
    #23490948 - 07/30/16 12:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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ByCoverOfNight said:
Never been addicted to anything but doctor prescribed Xanax for acute insomnia despite having played with Heroin for 4 months solid nearly everyday 4x per. Weed has always been a social thing. Opium I would very happily be addicted to if I had a reliable source.
Just started growing shrooms and so far I very much enjoy tripping every 3-4 days ( 7 trips total, highest dose 7g's, 5g's is my sweet spot). It's just incredibly good fun, even the 2 hideously terrible "bad" trips I've had. Like a kid who wants to go the amusement park all the time. I recover completely after 2 days. Too early to have an opinion on whether shrooms are in any way addictive but I have 8 BRF jars 2 weeks out from going in the FC so I'll be more informed later on.
I will say that I'm a successfully medicated bi-polar person and shrooms help me journey through myself and poke around those parts/spaces in my brain that don't quite function correctly, and by bringing them to the foreground of consciousness, understand them and integrate them. A year of therapy in one night is definitely true for me. Is feeling good and confident about yourself addictive? I hope so.



Sounds like my story. Keep with your trips. Good for opiate recovery.


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