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Cannabis gone VERY wrong after intense mushroom trip. Need help
    #23487112 - 07/28/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hello there,

I’ve been trough an entheogenic experience recently (17/7/2016) where I’ve ingested 5g of dry, home-grown, Psylocibe cubensis var. Golden teacher. I’m preparing a detailed post about that experience since but I’m still processing it so, for the purpose of this post, I’ll resume that day as the single greatest day of my whole life.
I continued my research on the entheogenic experience after I’ve had it because now I had a basis to know what I was searching for and stumbled upon the term ‘Kundalini’. Something I’ve known from my youth days but had long forgotten. I started to dig deep into the kundalini awakening, as I’m sure I’ve had it, and I was very happy to read that my experience went so well because many of the experiences I’ve read on-line didn’t go quite as well causing terror and/or paranoia to some subjects.

I’ll start by introducing a bit about myself so you all have some basis to judge what may have happened.

I’m a 34 year old male father of 2 beautiful children (1 year old and 4 year old with all the missing hours of sleep it implies), happily married with my high-school sweat-heart. I smoked tobacco when I was young but quit when I reached 21. Since then till 2 years ago I’ve smoked Cannabis on very specific occasions and never more than twice a year. In August 2014 I quit alcohol 100%. From August 2014 till 1 month ago I started to use Cannabis daily (mainly because my father and grand-father deaths to cancer where I then found Rick Simpsons oil and started doing it as a preventive measure). I started ingesting Cannabis in form of Rick Simpsons oil but then moved to olive oil and other edibles as this form is way better for your health. I also started smoking Cannabis (pure, no tobacco) at least once a week as I’ve always felt that ‘missing habit’ of smoking. I’ve always enjoyed all my Cannabis experiences and never once had a felling of fear or paranoia or anything in the like. I’ve also finished my second degree (agronomy) very recently (12/7/2016) and started to do my PhD in sciences 4 months ago (all of this just to state the mental tiredness I may have been enduring for the past years which intensified in the last weeks). I'm also doing a once a week fasting for 53 weeks now.

I’ve never done other ‘hallucinogenic’ apart from Cannabis till one year ago where I started ingesting mushrooms to try to find more about myself and hoping to see some clarity in the form of the entheogenic experience. I’ve documented myself a lot (as I always do) before starting using it. I’ve done mushrooms 4 times. one 1g trip, one 2g trip, one 3,5g trip and a 5,1g trip. All trips had a waiting time of at least 75 days in between and all have been done alone, in silence, in the dark and in an empty stomach (in a fasting day to be more accurate).

As I’ve read throughout the web and this forum that Cannabis may influence the shroom experience so I’ve not ingested it in any form for 3 weeks before the ‘heroic dose’ took place. After the 5g dose I didn’t had the need for Cannabis so I didn’t do it as I was completely happy and sure of my purpose in life till 2 days ago (26/7/2016), 9 days after the entheogenic experience, where I rolled and smoked a 0,8g pure Cannabis joint of an indica strain not home grown. Here was where the problems started.

Right from the start I could tell that the ‘high’ was quite different. I was smoking a (supposedly) 100% indica strain but couldn’t feel it’s effects on the body, only in my mind. It was like a mini mushroom trip. In the beginning it was kinda interesting although not what I was looking for entirely.
At the middle of the joint. I felt a burst of energy from the bottom of my spine to the top of my head (which I associated with the recently read Kundalini). It was strange and, for some reason, I though it would be a good idea to intone the mantra AUM. Once I did it out loud a second burst of energy flowed to the top of my head. It was very weird as this sensation was way real and felt like something had exploded at the top of my skull. After a few more puffs a third and final burst of energy came up my spine with an immeasurable force. It exploded loudly in the top of my head and I heard a very deep voice telling me in English (which is not my mother tongue) “I TOLD YOU NOT TO MESS WITH ME” “NOW YOU’RE MINE” and the nightmare begun. The voice wouldn’t go away. I tried to focus on better things but couldn’t, the voice was just too loud, too present. I tried speaking to my wife, to distract me, but the voice wouldn’t let me. After a while it got worse. The voice in my head started to repeat incessantly the exact same word. Music, TV, speaking, nothing could erase the damn voice. It repeated for an extended period of time which was until I got to sleep. I went to bed with the most intense fear I don’t recall ever felt. All I could think was, “if the voice remains in my head in the morning, how will I tell my wife that his husband has gone insane? How to tell my daughters that her father has gone insane for no good reason but drug experiencing?” It was earth shattering. At the same time the voice continued to repeat itself and started ‘demanding’ that I spread the word about mushrooms to anyone I know (as if the mushrooms were the bait in the Kundalini’s fishing rod). I swore to it never to take drugs again if I woke up sane again. At the same time I was trying to visualize the THC attacking and mitigating the kundalini effects but it was just to strong.

Almost all the positive effects I’ve had from the mushroom experience (better person, more understanding, more social, more caring, more for the better) were gone in the morning but, luckily, so was the voice. All that remained was a headache and a very clear sensation like if my head was ‘patched up’ in the top of my skull (maybe the THC won the battle as I was sleeping? ^^)

Anyhow all I have now is an intrinsic fear that the voice might come back for no reason at all and I go fully insane. I also fear that it will appear and remain in my head for ever if I miss my sworn oath of never doing drugs again so, although I’ld like to continue my psychedelic journey (I had a Banisteriopsis caapi + Psychotria viridis (ayahuasca, bought in form of bark and leaves) and mescaline (home grown cacti) trips on the horizon for the next months/years as well as other mushrooms and Cannabis trips) but I cannot remove the fear of going insane from my mind. I’m so sad for this (although very happy for not being presently insane).

What do you guys make of this? Was it (as I’ve read) ‘just’ an incredible state of paranoia caused by the cannabis and my recent readings? Is it something else? We sure are dealing with something beyond our comprehension but aren’t we also toying/playing with dangerous stuff?

Thanks on any insights. Best of luck to you all on your trips.


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Re: Cannabis gone VERY wrong after intense mushroom trip. Need help [Re: zeric]
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Re: Cannabis gone VERY wrong after intense mushroom trip. Need help [Re: SanFrog]
    #23487393 - 07/28/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If Cannabis isn't treating you well after an intense experience, perhaps try some Lemon EO. I've noticed it's helped me, and it seems to do away with the anxiety and paranoia.


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Re: Cannabis gone VERY wrong after intense mushroom trip. Need help [Re: Buckthorn]
    #23488279 - 07/29/16 05:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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thanks a lot for the video.

And thank you Sabnock and Foamy for your comments.

So you guys think the experience I went trough was related entirely to smoking Cannabis? What about that kundalini thing?

Foamy I'm pretty sure I qualify for >50% of your post xD Does that means I'm done for? ^^


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Re: Cannabis gone VERY wrong after intense mushroom trip. Need help [Re: zeric]
    #23488307 - 07/29/16 05:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Cannabis is a powerful drug. Without a tolerance I wold never smoke .8g of bud, no way, I wouldn't even be able to get half way through that joint before thinking I need to turn the breaks on.

How often do you take breaks? Its sounds like you went at least a month without cannabis and then .8g straight to your head. To me that would be a lot and I would expect it to be intense. Mushrooms can also open your mind and change cannabis experiences IMO, but first I would assess the tolerance issue.


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Re: Cannabis gone VERY wrong after intense mushroom trip. Need help [Re: wolf fish]
    #23488574 - 07/29/16 08:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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wolf fish said:How often do you take breaks? Its sounds like you went at least a month without cannabis and then .8g straight to your head. To me that would be a lot and I would expect it to be intense. Mushrooms can also open your mind and change cannabis experiences IMO, but first I would assess the tolerance issue.




That's it my friend. I went 1 month without Cannabis. Never before (since I started doing it) was I that much time without consuming it. The maximum time before was 2 weeks and only happened once. It might just be that the problem was that I took too much.

At the time of the 3,5g Mushroom experience I smoked Cannabis the very next day and although the effects were clearly different (I recall doesn't feeling the high at all) I didn't get paranoid. If I recall it clearly I think I've smoked 0,4g that night.


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Re: Cannabis gone VERY wrong after intense mushroom trip. Need help [Re: zeric]
    #23488844 - 07/29/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hey I've had the kundalini thing happen. Similar to you I was on weed, I was inquiring about what's going on and asked "what's behind language?"
Something in my head ticked and my spine felt like electric fire.

I think the fear it brings up in you is really where you're most vulnerable, in your case its probably going to come up as fear surrounding your wife and kids until it just can't bother you anymore.

Think of it like a can of pop that got shaken up until it burst, once all the foam shoots out the lid stays open the pressure can't build like that anymore


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Re: Cannabis gone VERY wrong after intense mushroom trip. Need help [Re: JForce]
    #23489073 - 07/29/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think the fear it brings up in you is really where you're most vulnerable, in your case its probably going to come up as fear surrounding your wife and kids until it just can't bother you anymore.

Think of it like a can of pop that got shaken up until it burst, once all the foam shoots out the lid stays open the pressure can't build like that anymore



That's what I'm beginning to believe also. But cannot afford to risk it. It's way too soon.

The problem is I don't know if the lid is open and the pressure is all release. As I've stated before I fell definitely like 'the hole in the skull' was cover and, because it's covered maybe it will open again :/


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Re: Cannabis gone VERY wrong after intense mushroom trip. Need help [Re: zeric]
    #23490094 - 07/29/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well other than the voice thing this change is totally normal. I said on another post about this same topic recently that I've noticed things like LSD seem to just make people's weed highs trippier but that's it but ayahuasca and mushrooms it appears has the ability to actually change how someone mentally and emotionally reacts to cannabis.

Cannabis gives me more anxiety now and this strange exotic leery type vibe. Mushrooms changed my weed high too but no voices so I would refer to that video that was posted if I were you.
Mushrooms tend to give me this strange 'avatar' effect or perspective and now I get it with weed and it's becomes clearer and clearer the lower I have my tolerance.


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Re: Cannabis gone VERY wrong after intense mushroom trip. Need help [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23491948 - 07/30/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Well other than the voice thing this change is totally normal. I said on another post about this same topic recently that I've noticed things like LSD seem to just make people's weed highs trippier but that's it but ayahuasca and mushrooms it appears has the ability to actually change how someone mentally and emotionally reacts to cannabis.

Cannabis gives me more anxiety now and this strange exotic leery type vibe. Mushrooms changed my weed high too but no voices so I would refer to that video that was posted if I were you.
Mushrooms tend to give me this strange 'avatar' effect or perspective and now I get it with weed and it's becomes clearer and clearer the lower I have my tolerance.




Thanks. Will do.

I believe it's well stated that Cannabis is way different after the entheogenic experience. But what about shrooms after the situation described (meaning: entheogenic experience --> Cannabis (gone weird) --> Shrooms again. What dosages do you do the next time? How wasthat experience the next time you did mushrooms?


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Re: Cannabis gone VERY wrong after intense mushroom trip. Need help [Re: zeric]
    #23492383 - 07/30/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You smoked a whole bunch, that's what went wrong. Even though it's indica, consuming a lot of cannabis = lots of THC.

They did a test. They gave someone pure thc, and the guy was scared shitless the whole time even though it was in a controled setting with a controled dose.

The thc/cbd combo worked out well. However, there is only so much cbd can do to block the psychotic effects of thc as it is in fact unactive or just slightly active on its own.

I had a similar intense LSD experience which I get always reminded of when I smoke again, and that's only from taking a few hits.

I can't even imagine how 0,8 would feel like because for me even a one big puff can get my mind racing for a good hour-hour and a half.


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Re: Cannabis gone VERY wrong after intense mushroom trip. Need help [Re: AwesomeUsername]
    #23492796 - 07/30/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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AwesomeUsername said:The thc/cbd combo worked out well. However, there is only so much cbd can do to block the psychotic effects of thc as it is in fact unactive or just slightly active on its own.




This is one reason i like Lemon EO, or Orange EO, Limonene basically, because it seems to counteract the anxiety, paranoia, and cleans up the headspace so that things feel better, at least ime. There's definitely some sort of interaction between Limonene and THC. Speaking of which, a nice Limonene-rich Cannabis strain might smoke alright and not cause anxiety/paranoia and such.


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Re: Cannabis gone VERY wrong after intense mushroom trip. Need help [Re: zeric]
    #23492801 - 07/30/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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But what about shrooms after the situation described (meaning: entheogenic experience --> Cannabis (gone weird) --> Shrooms again. What dosages do you do the next time? How wasthat experience the next time you did mushrooms?




Well after this experience pretty much all psychedelics including weed lost their true recreational potential and now psychedelics are just no longer fun anymore just really really deep and spiritual. I mean I can still sort of have fun with them sometimes but intrinsically they are just no longer recreational or serve the purpose of fun.

I wonder what DMT would be like for me because the funny thing is about that video is he says he can no longer do LSD, Mushrooms or Weed for fun but that he can still do DMT for fun. I wonder if that would ring true for me in anyway (not that I expect DMT to be 'fun')

After this experience I honestly can't remember what I took just probably and average eighth dose.


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Re: Cannabis gone VERY wrong after intense mushroom trip. Need help [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23493474 - 07/30/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Bare with me:

Cannabis Indica seems to be the 'trojan horse' of psychedelics. It seems like that strain and its varieties really have you mellow at first then opens your thoughts up to unwanted and intrusive thoughts.

With that said, watch what you read and think before using mind-enhancing substances. What's your religion?


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    #23494563 - 07/31/16 04:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The thc/cbd combo worked out well. However, there is only so much cbd can do to block the psychotic effects of thc as it is in fact unactive or just slightly active on its own.




Thanks. I hadn't thought about that. CBD has indeed anti-psychotic properties but unfortunately I'm not able to test my weed for their cannabinoid content or ratio :/.
But I'll dig into that for sure. Thanks.

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This is one reason i like Lemon EO, or Orange EO, Limonene basically, because it seems to counteract the anxiety, paranoia, and cleans up the headspace so that things feel better, at least ime. There's definitely some sort of interaction between Limonene and THC. Speaking of which, a nice Limonene-rich Cannabis strain might smoke alright and not cause anxiety/paranoia and such.




Thanks. Will inform me over this and order it on-line to give it a try. Any particular brand?

In Ed Rosenthal's 'Marijuana Growers handbook' states, among other useful information, that 'Limonene sprays are used to treat depression'.

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Well after this experience pretty much all psychedelics including weed lost their true recreational potential and now psychedelics are just no longer fun anymore just really really deep and spiritual. I mean I can still sort of have fun with them sometimes but intrinsically they are just no longer recreational or serve the purpose of fun.

I wonder what DMT would be like for me because the funny thing is about that video is he says he can no longer do LSD, Mushrooms or Weed for fun but that he can still do DMT for fun. I wonder if that would ring true for me in anyway (not that I expect DMT to be 'fun')

After this experience I honestly can't remember what I took just probably and average eighth dose.




I also didn't understood what he meant by fun and DMT as all I've read goes in the opposite direction (smoked is supposed to be the 'drive by shooting of psychedelics' and ayahuasca and its analogs are supposed to purge you so yeah... it's wierd... maybe some connoisseur can enlighten us?) I haven't tried it though (although I've the stuff at home for making ayahuasca for quite some time now but I believed I had to go trough shrooms first).
I must also state that I only do (did) Cannabis recreationally/medicinally. Shrooms aya, etc I was doing them to find out more about life and myself.

I'm European so I don't have a clue what an eight dose is but having it looked out I think is about 3,5g. You took 3,5g of weed after a shroom experience? How did it go? That's +4x what I took.


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Cannabis Indica seems to be the 'trojan horse' of psychedelics. It seems like that strain and its varieties really have you mellow at first then opens your thoughts up to unwanted and intrusive thoughts.

With that said, watch what you read and think before using mind-enhancing substances. What's your religion?




I don't smoke indicas very often. I mostly do Jack Herer, White Widow and Frisian Duck which are pretty much in balance of indica/sativa. I also prefer 100% sativas to 100% indicas but have smoked only a handfull of times of each so I don't have enough knowledge to talk about it.

I read a lot about psychedelics, conscience, personality, etc and I inform mysef a lot before experiencing with anything. For some reason the information about lower tolerance after a strong psychedelic experience has eluded me or maybe I've read it and disregard it as non-important or even didn't understood the consequences of what I was reading. The fact is I'm informing myself since 2010 on psychedelics and have only tried mushrooms on 2015. I've mescaline cacti growing since 2010 and not once I've tried them. I'm very respectful of what I don't know and that bothers me even more because we all have that friend that tries it all and nothing seems to bother him/they ^^ that being said is like slim people eating anything they want and not getting fat (which I'm a part of) but maybe the fatter people enjoy their special food better just because they cannot have it that often and they are very grateful for it?

I've no religion my friend. I do not believe or sympathize with any. If you ask me if I believe in God that's an entire different question but first we should define God. If you mean an all encompassing, all loving, all present 'being' than yes, I do believe in God and I see him in you, in me, in the rocks, trees, stars, dark matter, etc. We truly are all one and that unity is what makes 'God' IMO.


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