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    #23485518 - 07/28/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The last 3 dub tubs I've tried to have all turned green on me....my spawn (wbs) looked great on the last grow but still contamed at the end of the 1st flush....I pc'd coir/verm for 1 hour....I have no clue what keeps going on....it's very irritating...next time I'll try pastuerizing my coir to see if that helps..... any suggestions would be appreciated, I'm trying to work my way into monotubs....but don't want to waste a bunch of coir and materials


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Re: aggrivated [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23485524 - 07/28/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

try the bucket tek?


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Re: aggrivated [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23485533 - 07/28/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I did but my coir has set for over a month so I pc'd it just to be safe...


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Re: aggrivated [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23485565 - 07/28/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Strange. Sorry about your luck I'm starting tubs up I'd like to know what went wrong. Wheres Cron when you need him!? I need a Cron button instead of a Mod button.  :bubbles:


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Re: aggrivated [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23485571 - 07/28/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

generally coir can be left out for months with not a single thing growing on it even when it's past field capacity so I personally would blame it last but :shrug:

even when you grow plants in coir it doesn't mold


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Re: aggrivated [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23485580 - 07/28/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

One thing you might be aggrivated about is misspelling aggravated :wink:


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Re: aggrivated [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23485587 - 07/28/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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generally coir can be left out for months with not a single thing growing on it even when it's past field capacity so I personally would blame it last but :shrug:

even when you grow plants in coir it doesn't mold




Thats a good point. could the tub and lining being dirty be the cause?


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Re: aggrivated [Re: ByCoverOfNight]
    #23485590 - 07/28/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well work on your spawn dude


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Re: aggrivated [Re: cronicr]
    #23485773 - 07/28/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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generally coir can be left out for months with not a single thing growing on it even when it's past field capacity so I personally would blame it last but :shrug:

even when you grow plants in coir it doesn't mold




Thats a good point. could the tub and lining being dirty be the cause?




Even that's not likely.
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Re: aggrivated [Re: Inocuole]
    #23485869 - 07/28/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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generally coir can be left out for months with not a single thing growing on it even when it's past field capacity so I personally would blame it last but :shrug:

even when you grow plants in coir it doesn't mold




Thats a good point. could the tub and lining being dirty be the cause?




Even that's not likely.
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Re: aggrivated [Re: cronicr]
    #23488331 - 07/29/16 06:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If I can't get wbs to work for me I'm goin back to cakes at least I can get a decent amount of fruits....don't really want to fuck with them anymore....but if it's the only way I can produce fruits so be it


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Re: aggrivated [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23488540 - 07/29/16 08:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Get wbs to work for you. It can and will work


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Re: aggrivated [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23488652 - 07/29/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm still learning....I'll figure out what I'm doing wrong for sure.....just may take a little while....trust me I'd rather run a monotub every once in a while than constantly growing cakes


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Re: aggrivated [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23488685 - 07/29/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Making clean spawn is not that hard. What's hard is shifting your paradigm to a mindset that is going to be receptive to doing what's needed to make the clean spawn and eliminate the vectors.


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Re: aggrivated [Re: cronicr]
    #23488692 - 07/29/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: aggrivated [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23488708 - 07/29/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

My first time and only time growing so far was print to agar to wbs to coir in a mono. Agar was a little tough at first but it finally worked out.

First wbs to coir flush



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Re: aggrivated [Re: lvnthalife]
    #23488715 - 07/29/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Is that... covered in green??  That is not what I would use to sell somebody on monos..


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Re: aggrivated [Re: Inocuole] * 1
    #23488723 - 07/29/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)



Healthy spawn goes a long way. So does agar work


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Re: aggrivated [Re: Inocuole]
    #23488727 - 07/29/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No. Not sure why the picture came out like that. When i first posted it someone else said the same thing.

Maybe its because i used a phone or the lighting...dont know.


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Re: aggrivated [Re: ByCoverOfNight]
    #23488853 - 07/29/16 10:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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One thing you might be aggrivated about is misspelling aggravated :wink:



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Re: aggrivated [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23488940 - 07/29/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm thinking I may have had the moisture content wrong....I will figure it out eventually


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Re: aggrivated [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23488953 - 07/29/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

My spawn was inoculated with agar wedges.....so it may have been a hidden contam on my plate...so I'll try to narrow down my vectors.....


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Re: aggrivated [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23489104 - 07/29/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I believe I may have dried my wbs too long after the simmer.....I have 5 qts colonizing now and I'm pretty sure I lost 1 to a white contam....does this mean all my spawn is fucked?


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Re: aggrivated [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23489116 - 07/29/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Use the edit button put all those post on one in future


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Re: aggrivated [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23489128 - 07/29/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Gotcha my bad


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    #23489142 - 07/29/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:cool:


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Re: aggrivated [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23489771 - 07/29/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm thinking I may have had the moisture content wrong....I will figure it out eventually




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Re: aggrivated [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23489783 - 07/29/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Too dry is better than too wet. You can't dry the hydrated starch gelatin inside the grain out.


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    #23489809 - 07/29/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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One thing you might be aggrivated about is misspelling aggravated :wink:



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    #23489951 - 07/29/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

There is hardly any growth in that 1 jar....and it seems to be drier than the other jars....I didn't have any moisture collecting in my jars....not even after pc'ing them....


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One thing you might be aggrivated about is misspelling aggravated :wink:



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Thats how I'd have spelled it LOL! :facepalm3:



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    #23506462 - 08/03/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Think I may have figured my problem out......I don't think I was simmering my wbs long enough,  got a new batch goin and we'll see if shit goes any differently? I noticed this batch the yellow millet was easily split with my fingernails.....the last few goes have been a little difficult to split with my nails


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    #23506506 - 08/03/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

How long have you been PCing your WBS jars? I saw you said you PCed your coir/verm for an hour, but what about your spawn?


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Re: aggrivated [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23508198 - 08/04/16 02:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The last 3 dub tubs I've tried to have all turned green on me....my spawn (wbs) looked great on the last grow but still contamed at the end of the 1st flush....I pc'd coir/verm for 1 hour....I have no clue what keeps going on....it's very irritating...next time I'll try pastuerizing my coir to see if that helps..... any suggestions would be appreciated, I'm trying to work my way into monotubs....but don't want to waste a bunch of coir and materials




Don't PC your Coir/Verm.  You should properly pasteurize your substrate.  Before I started properly pasteurizing, I got green every time by the 3rd flush.

Frank's tek: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17246844

Of course, this will only help if your spawn is healthy and not hiding any unseen contaminants.

Nothing wrong with WBS, though it is sometimes tough to get the appropriate moisture content after simmering.  The only thing that I ever knew to work for this was to spread the seed to dry on some newspaper after the simmer.  Once the exterior is dry, ready to PC and never too moist.

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    #23508223 - 08/04/16 03:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Coir/verm can be sterilized and many say it performs best sterilized


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    #23508387 - 08/04/16 05:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Correct me if I am wrong, but I recall having seen posts where TCs like Frank and RR recommend pasteurizing substrate over sterilizing because it keeps the right amount of beneficial bacteria and discourages contaminants from taking hold as easily.  That being said, I understand that some prefer not to pasteurize or sterilize at all and have achieved some degree of success.

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If the temp goes over 170F for more than ten or fifteen minutes, you will start to partially sterilize your substrate. It'd be best to toss it and try again. Since we spawn to bulk in open air, a partially sterilized substrate is often as shitty as an unpasteurized substrate.

Bear in mind though, if you are pasteurizing just coir and verm, you can probably get away with it. Coir is very contam resistant.




I was under the impression that pasteurization of the substrate gives the myc ample time to achieve colonization without making the substrate as vulnerable to hosting a contaminant.  Wouldn't sterilized substrate be more likely to contaminate during a spawn run because it has been broken down by a higher degree of heat?

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Re: aggrivated [Re: tuxedoFox]
    #23508460 - 08/04/16 06:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The only reason I pc'd my coir is because it sat for over a month....


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Re: aggrivated [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23508463 - 08/04/16 06:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Coir has no beneficial microbes in it anyway so pasteurization of it is totally pointless.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php?where=body&tosearch=both&how=all&words=Sterilize+coir&newerval=2&newertype=y&limit=25&showmain=1&expert=1&sort=r&way=d





Thanks for the link!  I'm very relieved to read that coir can be used sterilized as well as pasteurized.  Much easier to set the PC to sterilize than to try and keep temps within pasteurization range for an hour or so.

Thanks, Trusted Cultivator! :thumbup:

Gotta be your spawn that is the problem, OP...  Good vibes. :mushroom2:

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    #23509106 - 08/04/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The only reason I pc'd my coir is because it sat for over a month....




That's weird, I still use my coir at that point. :shrug:


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    #23509179 - 08/04/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That's my conclusion as well.....just a learning curve! I'll figure it out very soon


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    #23509208 - 08/04/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It was a noob mistake.....I get it....I was overthinking it and wanted to play it safe just in case it had been contaminated....


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