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Noob problems ?
    #23485176 - 07/28/16 10:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Im pretty sure all I'm growing in this jar is bacteria. Any information is appreciated!
WBS sterilized .
Inoculated next day, incubated in small cardboard box at 76-86
Ten days in. 
new cultivator obviously, taking every possible precaution besides a glovebox.
However I inoculated in a sterile canna grow environment with all fans off.




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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Terpfreak] * 1
    #23485187 - 07/28/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah those definitely don't look right.

Nice nails.

Also, I prefer using coffee containers to burn 2 holes into a clear plastic tub. Regardless on what you use though, you should lay a wet towel at the bottom for contams to fall and stick to and spray the inside of your SAB with soapy water to also make contams stick.

And the pic where you're holding two of them, the one on the left looks like it might be fine.


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What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23485195 - 07/28/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

the one you are holding is trash


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23485197 - 07/28/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hmm that seems like pretty fast growth in ten days.  If it colonises too fast then be skeptical.  If it is a strain of cubensis, normally it would take four weeks or so to colonise at a nice toasty temp.  On the first image the partially colonised area appears to lack defined boundaries and has kind of blurred edges.  I have my doubts that what you have growing in there is what you want.
Mycelium typically has very sharp bounded edges and strands of growth can be seen if you look closely.


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23485230 - 07/28/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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cronicr said:
the one you are holding is trash



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Yeah those definitely don't look right.

Nice nails.

Also, I prefer using coffee containers to burn 2 holes into a clear plastic tub. Regardless on what you use though, you should lay a wet towel at the bottom for contams to fall and stick to and spray the inside of your SAB with soapy water to also make contams stick.

And the pic where you're holding two of them, the one on the left looks like it might be fine.






Thanks for the quick replies everyone. It is a cube , but the species is known to be a fast colonizer. ( pardon my shit myco vocab). 

Okay so my suspicion is cleared, what can I do at this point to insure the others survive? 
I've already separated the messed up one and put the others in a plastic bin with a blanket over her, in the grow room where temps should stay around 80-85.  I'm assuming all I can do now is hope, pray to the myco gods, go over my notes to see where I went wrong and do better next time?


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23485246 - 07/28/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What do you use for a filter? If you got filters that are good, the other jars will be fine. The one you're holding has pin mold galore going on there. The one on the left looks OK so far


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23485247 - 07/28/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

pin mold. ew.


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Mad Season] * 1
    #23485252 - 07/28/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

save your coffee filters for your coffee pot.


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: cronicr]
    #23485273 - 07/28/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I used tyvek and coffee filters. What would be the perfect alternative?
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save your coffee filters for your coffee pot.





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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23485277 - 07/28/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Synthetic Filter Discs would be ideal if you have money to spend on them. They're re-usable and easier than making tyvek lids.


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PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek
Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series
How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs)
What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23485286 - 07/28/16 10:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you, anything else? I would look into a more sanitary method but I don't know where to begin.


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23485368 - 07/28/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Synthetic Filter Discs would be ideal if you have money to spend on them.




There's a guide somewhere on here about making SFD's from polyfill. Pretty sure materials were just a bag of polyfill, an iron, an ironing board, something to use as a template and something to cut the disc out with. This should be considerably cheaper, assuming OP already has an iron.


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: h0ldthedoor]
    #23485402 - 07/28/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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h0ldthedoor said:
Quote:

Kush_Zombie said:
Synthetic Filter Discs would be ideal if you have money to spend on them.




There's a guide somewhere on here about making SFD's from polyfill. Pretty sure materials were just a bag of polyfill, an iron, an ironing board, something to use as a template and something to cut the disc out with. This should be considerably cheaper, assuming OP already has an iron.




Would a "tshirt heat press" work? (Haha)

I forgot to mention the jars are also polyfilled under the coffee filter as well.
If I made the SFDs would that be all or would that be used under the lid with polyfilled hole.

EDIT:  Is it too late to add some humidity back into the jars at this point?  Is it necessary?  - I was going to leave them be until tub time. Thanks again everyone


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23485409 - 07/28/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

A tshirt heat press would probably work. If that Homemade SFD thread was easier to find, I'd provide a link.


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23485411 - 07/28/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Idk the method he's talking about but I would assume a T-shirt press would work fine if a regular iron does.

With a SFD you just drill 2 different 1/4" holes in the lid for gas exchange, and then place the SFD on top of the lid and then screw your ring on top of the lid/SFD.


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How to get started in bulk:
Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker
BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box
PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek
Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series
How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs)
What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23485415 - 07/28/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)



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How to get started in bulk:
Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker
BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box
PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek
Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series
How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs)
What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23485426 - 07/28/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Would this be it? https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20115107/fpart/1/vc/1





That be it! :thumbup:


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23485435 - 07/28/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I couldn't be more gracious! Or aggravated with myself ! thanks for the tips and your time I really really appreciate it.


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23485480 - 07/28/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

if you cut the SFD up and just silicone it over a 1/4-3/8" hole you can get 12 of them from one disk. they're outrageously cheap. for 10$(including shipping) you can get enough quality SFDs for 24 jars if not more.


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23485709 - 07/28/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)



These are the supposedly clean jars. I'm worried. ??


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23485717 - 07/28/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

picture on left looks like tell tale bacteria issues.


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23485811 - 07/28/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I've had much better luck taking much less precaution, but this was also in a personal home vs now where it's an apartment building where they cover mold with caulk and killz. Sad to think that my mistake wasn't respecting the sanitation enough.


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23485860 - 07/28/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You want it to colonize at most 80℉ if possible 73-77 when I first started I had seen colonization was at higher temps if they are cubes it's bullshit and you will give contams a great climate to Fuck your shit up


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23489302 - 07/29/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Photo update- more bacteria?? :confused:  the color of whatever is growing is all white, and the substrate is looking a little dry. What can I do at this point to help the humidity? Is that necessary?  Thanks.


this last one is the one that worries me


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23489415 - 07/29/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They all look a bit funky I would toss for sure the second third and last ones and a substrate is like horse shit, coir stuff like that if you soaked your wbs for 12-24 hours you should be good on moisture ... did you inoculate with a syringe? And what about your PC cycle? I think you should look into agar if you wanna be successful it really isn't as hard as people think and it make your syringe go forever and always is clean as long as you do everything right
Edit : the second pic I might let ride but the last two definitely are bad and you wanna toss them


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23489912 - 07/29/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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They all look a bit funky I would toss for sure the second third and last ones and a substrate is like horse shit, coir stuff like that if you soaked your wbs for 12-24 hours you should be good on moisture ... did you inoculate with a syringe? And what about your PC cycle? I think you should look into agar if you wanna be successful it really isn't as hard as people think and it make your syringe go forever and always is clean as long as you do everything right
Edit : the second pic I might let ride but the last two definitely are bad and you wanna toss them



 

Syringe and PC for sixty min at fifteen psi . The jars sat for two days before being knocked up. Thanks I'll look into agar.


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23489945 - 07/29/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This is probably one of easiest for beginners I started with it and still use it https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19208976 ... I would PC for 90 minutes just to be safe I've never used wbs so IDK I use whole oats and PC for over two hours


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23490140 - 07/29/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks man there's so many links to wade through.  Anything that will increase my chances send my way . :tongue2:


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23490152 - 07/29/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Haha tell me about it ... no worries good luck


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23490763 - 07/29/16 11:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Noob47, can you explain what exactly is that is wrong with those jars? It looks like clean myc growth to me. Maybe the slightest indication of wetspot, but could just be water moisture.


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: herrenvolk]
    #23492141 - 07/30/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Noob47, can you explain what exactly is that is wrong with those jars? It looks like clean myc growth to me. Maybe the slightest indication of wetspot, but could just be water moisture.





The lighting plays games with the eye for sure. Here's some more recent pictures. All growth is pure white. There are spots of wbs that are a little more "wet" than others because the grain was shaken once the jars hit the cool side of warm, plus there was nothing at the bottom to hold water until needed. ( assuming this is necessary from experience with cannabis please correct me if I'm wrong).



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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23492530 - 07/30/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Also does the lack of spawn in the other jars mean they're already been taken over by unwanted guests ? They were knocked and incubated together.


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: herrenvolk]
    #23493129 - 07/30/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ya definitely looks better there, I have pictures that look ffunny alsoo ... I'm not real sure what you're asking about with the water ? And as for some being slower it was ms so it could be a slower colonizer as long as you don't get black or green or lots of yellow and even with yellow you could still fruit but just depends on how they smell .. I've never had luck with inoculating straight into jars from syringe so I can't really speak on much experience there


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23493803 - 07/30/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks and thanks for the link for agar.


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23494105 - 07/30/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Listen I'm for sure a noob but these are things I've picked up on-

The pin mold they're talking about is supposed to be identifiable by the black round tips you can see.

You generally want to keep the temps you're letting your grain colonize in around room temp 72° because the internal temp of your jars may be higher from the mycelium growing. Around 80° it gets easier for shit that's harmful to grow.

Looking at the last pics you have I think the stuff people may think is bacteria could just be those lighter colored kernels making your myc look yellow. Personally I'd just let them finish and take a good pic and repost.

For filters if you don't wanna wait for shipping online or mess with trying not to melt polyfill then look up easy felt or ez felt. You can get a sheet of it at Walmart for a buck and cut out probably 50 filters.

Also I can't say how sterile a cannigrow environment is- but I'd guess it's probably still riskier than what you'd encounter if you bought the stuff to build a still air box. At it's heart it's just a larger clear plastic tote you cut a couple holes in. Even though I'm sure I'm not 100% in my practice I just started messing with agar in a sab and I have yet to spot any contams on my pasty plates.

Again I want to stress I'm a noob. I hope I didn't steer you wrong with any of that info. Things I remember off the top of my head though and in some cases even had limited success. I hope this helps a little though. Good luck


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Re: Noob problems ? [Re: ErikXL45]
    #23494735 - 07/31/16 06:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Listen I'm for sure a noob but these are things I've picked up on-

The pin mold they're talking about is supposed to be identifiable by the black round tips you can see.

You generally want to keep the temps you're letting your grain colonize in around room temp 72° because the internal temp of your jars may be higher from the mycelium growing. Around 80° it gets easier for shit that's harmful to grow.

Looking at the last pics you have I think the stuff people may think is bacteria could just be those lighter colored kernels making your myc look yellow. Personally I'd just let them finish and take a good pic and repost.

For filters if you don't wanna wait for shipping online or mess with trying not to melt polyfill then look up easy felt or ez felt. You can get a sheet of it at Walmart for a buck and cut out probably 50 filters.

Also I can't say how sterile a cannigrow environment is- but I'd guess it's probably still riskier than what you'd encounter if you bought the stuff to build a still air box. At it's heart it's just a larger clear plastic tote you cut a couple holes in. Even though I'm sure I'm not 100% in my practice I just started messing with agar in a sab and I have yet to spot any contams on my pasty plates.

Again I want to stress I'm a noob. I hope I didn't steer you wrong with any of that info. Things I remember off the top of my head though and in some cases even had limited success. I hope this helps a little though. Good luck





Thank you thank you! any info will be gobbled up :heart:  As of this morning all jars are showing signs of healthy myc. Thanks everyone for your input. My questions ARE answered but PLEASE add as much info as you would like to share!


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    #23495255 - 07/31/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8468463 here is a link with alot of rogerrabbits notes it's got a shit ton of good info on different areas of cultivation


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    #23495312 - 07/31/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's also got a bunch of outdated info, and tons of it is out of context.  I wouldn't necessarily refer back to that one for a whole lot.


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    #23495323 - 07/31/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Would there be any benefit in 24 hour light? Not direct? But sitting it inside a tent or closet somewhere near a fluorescent grow light , would that do any good? (Question is directed toward colinization stage)


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    #23495359 - 07/31/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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and tons of it is out of context.




This is actually a bigger issue than many realize. I see it all the time where people are quoting others and the species is wrong, or some other key piece of the puzzle. I might tell someone it's okay to scratch a Ganoderma substrate that got dried out but take that out if context and apply it to cubes and suddenly it's bad info.


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    #23495423 - 07/31/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I never knew it was alot of bad info I just had read it for certain things sorry ... but the 24 hour thing isn't good well from what I've seen all the time 12/12 light cycle is what works best but I've seen people do all kinds of stuff or so they say but I'd stick to the 12/12 cycle


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    #23495431 - 07/31/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

12/12 is good usually I get like 18/6 or something like that happening 24 hours of light is better than 24 hours of dark.


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    #23495507 - 07/31/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I know that many plants can thrive in 24 hour light . Why not mycellium? What studies have been done to disprove this? - thanks for your contributions and through provoking comments everyone :laugh:


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    #23495601 - 07/31/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Because then there is no rhythm.  A 24 hour cycle of consistent change, particularly 12/12 is what establishes the circadian rhythm and helps move everything along.  Unchanging stimulus isn't really something any living thing likes.


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    #23496027 - 07/31/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That's what I'm talking about, What is the proof that 24 hours straight is harmful? I'd like to read about studies that have been done with myc in particular in a controlled environment start to finish.

It seems like something that would have a lot of variables and would be hard to test because of that, but you should  still be able to come to some sort of generalization of impact on growth at least. 

Also I've got another question. What is the importance of an SAB when adding the colonized WBS to the sub? I've seen videos of people doing it in an open room with no gloves? I'm probably missing some huge basic here- is myc resistant once colonized?


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    #23496039 - 07/31/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

you dont use a sab when spawning...pointless:thumbup:


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    #23496045 - 07/31/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

you dont need to use SAB when your spawning.. just when you inoculate.


and inoc just told you, that if you did light 24/hours then it would generate no rhythm. myc/mushrooms have a circadian rhythm, similar to humans. im sure the way that was found out was through some extensive testing. i guess if you wanted to test it, you could get some isolates and do multiple tubs of each, and give them all the exact same conditions, etc, just changing their light cycles.


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    #23496061 - 07/31/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Wow, I'm overwhelmed with the helpful community here.
Would you guys recommend any books? / must reads?


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    #23496068 - 07/31/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

As long as your spawn is clean and you pasteurize correctly open air is fine people will ask similar questions and people say you can fart, sneeze, cough whatever into it haha if you get contams before the first flush it's cause your spawn was dirty or didn't pasteurize properly... the mushroom cultivator from Mark stentz I believe is his name I heard is a great one I still need to buy it tho


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Wow, I'm overwhelmed with the helpful community here.
Would you guys recommend any books? / must reads?





this

just make sure the threads are newer than 3-5 years, for the most part.

oh and all those links in Trusted Cultivator's sig. and pretty much every other TC, and experienced cultivators's sigs. like Pasty's.


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    #23496084 - 07/31/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks everyone! Would it be within board guidlines to keep this thread as a journal or should I make a new one ? I'm a sensitive bitch I'm not tryna get flamed on. :rasta:


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    #23496095 - 07/31/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i dont see why not. you could just go to the bottom of the screen and hit "toggle favorite" and it will be linked on a list of your favorite threads, when you go to "account" at the top left of the page.


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    #23496222 - 07/31/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm a sensitive bitch I'm not tryna get flamed on. :rasta:



If this is the case, then maybe ease up on stuff like

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What is the proof that 24 hours straight is harmful?

It seems like something that would have a lot of variables and would be hard to test because of that, but you should  still be able to come to some sort of generalization of impact on growth at least. 

Also I've got another question. What is the importance of an SAB when adding the colonized WBS to the sub? I've seen videos of people doing it in an open room with no gloves? I'm probably missing some huge basic here- is myc resistant once colonized?





Don't ask for damnable proof of one thing that was just explained, and then go on to ask a question that demonstrates that you don't really have any idea what you're talking about.  There is no "harm" to 24 hours of light.  There is just no benefit vs having a cycle that establishes the circadian rhythm.  You won't find a whole lot of up to date documentation about something like this that's illegal in most countries, which is why an experience-based forum is the place to learn what actually works, in the most practical sense.  People who have read tons of books on mushrooms are growing a lot worse than folks like me who just picked it all up here, because they're often abiding by outdated information and shit that works against your success rate, like incubating at 86F, colonizing in the dark, 95% humidity, etc.

A book could outline very specific very in depth details about what mushrooms want but it doesn't matter how detailed it is if it's just plain counterproductive.


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    #23496260 - 07/31/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe take me less seriously. :tongue:
I've already stated that I have no clue what I'm doing here, that statement about me being sensitive was aimed more towards mistakes made in setting up this post/ accidental self bumps on a post in which I could have taken the time to find information on my own for a lot of things.

Thanks for your concern though, I do appreciate your help.

Also, when asking for "proof" that 24 hours is "bad", I neglected to figure out that you can filter post searches to encompass only those created by top contributors - so I was really asking for a link to the best possible content about light cycles - my tower is down right now so I'm using the website from a little phone screen.


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    #23496296 - 07/31/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Also obviously I've got communication issues sadly it's due to some chronic bullshit/ head injuries so even making this post in the first place took some courage/headache.- thanks for trying to decipher my questions and taking the  time to answer


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    #23496299 - 07/31/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Don't mind inoc he's just crankey. We see a lot of BS here, people who don't wanna listen, etc. To a hammer everything looks like a nail.

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    #23496317 - 07/31/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Nono , no offense taken- I completely understand where he's coming from in trying to understand me.

  I've been recovering from some pretty bad ptsd and have been neglecting my social life so I've kinda forgotten how to communicate :frown: I speak in memes now. There's no going back :grin:

Edit:  fuck. I know now that this is bad- Using coffee filters for the jars over the lids with tyvek. But will the following effect humidity and co2 buildup? There's one hole for GE and one for innoc- the only thing covering the innoc port Is two coffee filters? Should I cover that with tape or is it too late? The Tek I was following at the time didn't mention anything but coffee filters so I disregarded it.


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