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Letting go of self.
    #23484758 - 07/28/16 07:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

How does one let go of the self, and not view themselves as superior, inferior, or equal to others?

Is this possible?


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: Lucis]
    #23484864 - 07/28/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You almost die?

Or maybe ego death.

Or maybe world traveling


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: impatientguy]
    #23484973 - 07/28/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i dont know i havent done it.. there was once a website called ruthlesstruth and they argued that the self doesnt exist in the first place and is some kind of logical error.. i bought into them pretty hard and thought about it so hard i think i almost had an annuerism lol

anywho.. beats me. the self is partly constructed by the people youre enmeshed with so a way to change it (imo) is to change social situations (which has disadvantages like making you vulnerable etc)..

idk about how realistic total anihillation of self is...
i just try be generous, when i can


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: quinn]
    #23485362 - 07/28/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Remove importance of self, see that God is already present, already still, already staring.

:heart:

Everything we do, everything, conceals God.

God is without Self, since it is simply what Is. Self implies Other. God is Unborn.

Impossible to find, impossible to lose, since it's not attained through the searching...

Alone God's infinite selves interact. God's infinite worlds appear before Him, as He loses all sense of control, which is simply the conditioned organism, conditioned into 'self' and 'existence', mistakenly.

Doubt, fear, loneliness, heartache, pain... none of it touches God. God imagines a lesser self for these experiences.

"Self" is simply obsession with the current vehicle of Consciousness.

The vehicle will not experience pain if its attached Consciousness annihilates in God. It will not make mistakes that lead to pain. If it does, it has briefly imagined a lesser self.


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: Lucis]
    #23485410 - 07/28/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Fennario said:
How does one let go of the self, and not view themselves as superior, inferior, or equal to others?

Is this possible?




Try being alone?  Go on a hike , do you feel yourself as superior, inferior, or equal to trees?  Basically I just lay back and watch the dance of life.  I don't know, I haven't had a vested interest in the ongoing game of my status in the pack since perhaps high school.  At some point I realized I didn't want to be cool, and rather than seeking the approval of others I was better off finding myself.


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #23485454 - 07/28/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i would let go of the idea of letting go of self, heh.

self is better than no self. 

it's not that the buddhistic idea of nirvana is wrong,

simply that it's interpretations have been off the mark.


to answer most helpfully, practice concentration -

meditate on a mantra until the tongue, heart and mind are all aligned. . .


very important is to understand energies - if you want to reach that state,


which energies are refreshing ( refreshed ) , etc. - and everything related,

and that will guide you .  just some thoughts.  peace and the very best.


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #23485735 - 07/28/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Try being alone?  Go on a hike , do you feel yourself as superior, inferior, or equal to trees?  Basically I just lay back and watch the dance of life.  I don't know, I haven't had a vested interest in the ongoing game of my status in the pack since perhaps high school.  At some point I realized I didn't want to be cool, and rather than seeking the approval of others I was better off finding myself.





I am alone the majority of the time.

I don't feel superior/inferior to anyone, but perhaps equal.  I don't have any interest in status, and have not since I was in my late teens, status seems meaningless to me, so I don't waste my time trying to gain it, and I have never cared about being cool, when I was younger I was friends with everyone, I don't care what background/social position people are from, I get along with everyone.

The feeling equal thing is more why I ask, was reading some Buddhists teachings which said one should try not to feel superior, inferior, or equal to others.  It seems like we all want to feel equal to those around us, so this seems impossible to me, but maybe I just need a different view on this subject. 

I think it's just a normal human feeling to want to feel equal to those around us, and I don't mean in a material way, but rather that what we say matters, even if we don't follow other peoples ways.  I think that part of why we're on this planet, is to learn from others, and to experience what others are experiencing by listening to their stories about life, I think this can lead to a better understanding of ourselves, and those around us.


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: Lucis]
    #23485929 - 07/28/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Fennario said:
How does one let go of the self, and not view themselves as superior, inferior, or equal to others?

Is this possible?




the question does not even make sense, to me


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: zzripz]
    #23486274 - 07/28/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Who would want to let go of what makes them themselves? Comparing yourself to others is just a form of insecurity, become confident in your course or path of life, you won't even see other people. All you see is yourself and your own progress, the only comparison left is to perceive how much you are growing.


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: Lucis] * 1
    #23486615 - 07/28/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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How does one let go of the self, and not view themselves as superior, inferior, or equal to others?





A starting point is to not take oneself seriously.

We have a habit of taking our thoughts and feelings very very seriously.

To feel superior or inferior is the goal of ego. Self-hatred is as much a neurosis as narcissism.


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23486663 - 07/28/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

dude
the phrase is misguided
who is holding self?
self is self
one need not hold nor let go.


you want to lose a knee jerk reactions?
this is usually the actual issue (ego etc.)

so you can flood the body-mind with drugs and pray for relief or
you can practice meditation which is not related to letting go of self but is related to following the breath, doing something that should not be stopped.

the absorption that you may experience from meditation practice can interfere with knee jerk reactions and give the necessary space and time required to provide what you are looking for.

it has to be done regularly since self is in constant growth and acquisition of new memory and attitudes, many are great useful things, but some you need to be able to skip and this give that edge.


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23486708 - 07/28/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I understand the idea that there is no actual "self"

I was just trying to make a practical suggestion.

A benefit of meditation is to not take thoughts and feelings seriously.

We really need to lighten up. About everything.

We think we are the center of the fucking universe.


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: Lucis]
    #23486741 - 07/28/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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CosmicJoke said:

Try being alone?  Go on a hike , do you feel yourself as superior, inferior, or equal to trees?  Basically I just lay back and watch the dance of life.  I don't know, I haven't had a vested interest in the ongoing game of my status in the pack since perhaps high school.  At some point I realized I didn't want to be cool, and rather than seeking the approval of others I was better off finding myself.





I am alone the majority of the time.

I don't feel superior/inferior to anyone, but perhaps equal.  I don't have any interest in status, and have not since I was in my late teens, status seems meaningless to me, so I don't waste my time trying to gain it, and I have never cared about being cool, when I was younger I was friends with everyone, I don't care what background/social position people are from, I get along with everyone.

The feeling equal thing is more why I ask, was reading some Buddhists teachings which said one should try not to feel superior, inferior, or equal to others.  It seems like we all want to feel equal to those around us, so this seems impossible to me, but maybe I just need a different view on this subject. 

I think it's just a normal human feeling to want to feel equal to those around us, and I don't mean in a material way, but rather that what we say matters, even if we don't follow other peoples ways.  I think that part of why we're on this planet, is to learn from others, and to experience what others are experiencing by listening to their stories about life, I think this can lead to a better understanding of ourselves, and those around us.




That doesn't seem so unhealthy to me at all, if you like being you, and getting out there and meeting other people and listening to their stories teaches you something interesting and new about life, there is no problem.


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: Lucis]
    #23486775 - 07/28/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I think it's just a normal human feeling to want to feel equal to those around us...




I think it's natural to want to feel connected to others.

Our fear can get in the way, and then we prefer isolation.


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #23486851 - 07/28/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I understand the idea that there is no actual "self"

I was just trying to make a practical suggestion.

A benefit of meditation is to not take thoughts and feelings seriously.

We really need to lighten up. About everything.

We think we are the center of the fucking universe.




I think the benefit of meditation is not exactly so frivolous.
the practice of focusing, engages focusing repeatedly which makes that ability stronger.
while engaged in that activity one is not engaged in a different activity - obvious but very important too!
by sustained application of the same activity one begins to shift to a more resonant state of consciousness (jhana and samadhi etc.).
this is analogous to the boon you get from psychedelics such that it dissociates the knee jerk reactions and enhances sensations.

in no instance here am I referencing "self" but I am not ignoring the effort of self being applied to the whole thing. but the benefits are all indirect:
i.e. the practice makes the practice easier.
there is an actual self which is the agent that practices meditation.
on the other hand the self is the agent that would otherwise just drift between its attitudes depending on what stimuli happen in the environment.


meantime the self exists but it is not what may seem to be a spirit or soul it is the reaction matrix, or sum of experiences. one should not minimize that by suggesting it does not exist, it exists but not as a unified being separate from body or mind.

when the reaction matrix includes the practice of meditation it is a little bit extra special.


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23487741 - 07/28/16 10:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I think the benefit of meditation is not exactly so frivolous.
the practice of focusing, engages focusing repeatedly which makes that ability stronger.
while engaged in that activity one is not engaged in a different activity - obvious but very important too!
by sustained application of the same activity one begins to shift to a more resonant state of consciousness (jhana and samadhi etc.).





I practice Vipassana meditation, which is a more passive form of meditation.

I have learned recently about jhana and samadhi, and am interested in this practice.

I like what you said about self and how you said it. It can be confusing.

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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23487901 - 07/29/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

vipassana will also produce absorption states because those states are not part of any practice goal but are always a side effect of sustained attention.

it begins after 10 or 15 minutes of sitting. no big deal.


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23487933 - 07/29/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Self is all you think you have whether consciously or sub conciously. With this knowledge At some point you may have an option to risk it all and absolve yourself of yourself. It takes courage and perhaps a sliver of recklessness imo.
I used to say no during heavy trips where I would easily though deep, hold onto what I believed to be me. The very first time I said yes I'm willing to let go I died three times. A poem from just after. .. 


I've seen conciousness.
I've finally let go.
Absolution of self.
I was scared but now i know.

We are the same.
Although impossible to prove.
Through veneers of comfort.
Death only ensues.

This is a moment.
Neither moving nor still.
We share an existence.
Where death never kills.

I am you.
And you are me.
Thinking Individual Apples
That can't see the tree.

I let myself die.
When usually i struggle to survive.
I was everywhere at once.
Lucid loss of minds eye.



The struggle.....

Im getting confused and further away.
I started at nowhere with no cause for dismay.
Acceptance of the unknowns a place of solace.
Im starting to struggle a worrying about face.

Im getting closer to being lost at every step.
Caught in a trap of questions with no answers i regret.
Churning in turbulence fighting for breath.
Now im struggling with what happens at death.

Whimsical fluidity no longer comes easy.
Im brittle close to snapping.
Im becoming one of them noble made sleazy.
I can hear the masses welcoming clapping.

And so my bubble may have burst.
Replacing soma with unquenchable thirst.
I now have a perspective that eluded before.
Im on a damned ship destined for shore.



And the recovery.....

I think I was deluded so maybe I couldn't have been.
Self important, egotistical meanings, purposeful outcomes unseen.
The pointlessly whimsical Meandering of somebody going nowhere.
When in fact I thought maybe there was a purpose, I found out what a scare!

Now here is where a few journeyman may have fallen.
The realisation of uselessness to much for an ego swollen.
Delusions of purpose is all that they are.
When in fact comfort is found on a bridge too far.

We ain't going nowhere we ain't already been.
You can relax like a sunset a beautiful slate cleaned.
You see your unimportant's should allow a liberation.
Help you dispel linear a scientific aberration.

Why did I think it was for a reason.
I'm important an understandings treason.
Needless Like a flower a smile or even a tasty treat.
Otherwise the shock of it all might knock you off your feet.

I guess what I'm trying to say is its ok.
Please don't feel wasted or a societal stray.
When the burden of a never ending why is replaced by the simple glorious sky.
Delusions of destinations will be defeated and it's ok to fly.


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: zzripz]
    #23488499 - 07/29/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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zzripz said:
Quote:

Fennario said:
How does one let go of the self, and not view themselves as superior, inferior, or equal to others?

Is this possible?




the question does not even make sense, to me





Sorry, I had just come in the door from cycling, so my mind was going a mile a minute.

Here's is what I read that got me thinking.

"Do not form views in the world through either knowledge, virtuous conduct, or religious observances; likewise, avoid thinking of oneself as either being superior, inferior, or equal to others.  The wise let go of the self and being free of attachments they depend not on knowledge, nor do they dispute any opinions or settle into views"


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: Lucis]
    #23488837 - 07/29/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It is a cliche that is easier said than done. You can't do it completely, but accepting ones self as one is without bullshitting yourself is a good start.


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23488843 - 07/29/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You are correct Red, but one can let go of some self importance.


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #23489031 - 07/29/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: Lucis] * 2
    #23490463 - 07/29/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Fennario said:
How does one let go of the self, and not view themselves as superior, inferior, or equal to others?

Is this possible?




By understanding nothing is superior to anything else.  Nothing is inferior to anything else.  Nothing is equal to anything else.  Everything is, and that is all.


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: dodgem]
    #23491040 - 07/30/16 12:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

^I like.


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: dodgem]
    #23491436 - 07/30/16 05:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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dodgem said:
Quote:

Fennario said:
How does one let go of the self, and not view themselves as superior, inferior, or equal to others?

Is this possible?




By understanding nothing is superior to anything else.  Nothing is inferior to anything else.  Nothing is equal to anything else.  Everything is, and that is all.



well,
not getting involved in the question ("which is superior") for starters.
it is a tangent issue, but if you activate it, it becomes a whole direction, and then you have an issue with it's own tangents iykwim

many cases of letting go are much more efficiently viewed prior to origination. i.e. if you don't feed the flame it will not heat up. and you wont need to "let it go".


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23491559 - 07/30/16 06:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Honestly if you just do what you've always been doing you'll become enlightened.

Enlightenment is the height of impossibility, simply one chooses everything but enlightenment by choosing anything at all.


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23491649 - 07/30/16 07:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

oh, enlightenment is another tangent


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: quinn]
    #23492958 - 07/30/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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i dont know i havent done it.. there was once a website called ruthlesstruth and they argued that the self doesnt exist in the first place and is some kind of logical error.. i bought into them pretty hard and thought about it so hard i think i almost had an annuerism lol




I remember that website. Some good food for thought. The self is illogical... but so is life, existence and everything.


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: Lucis] * 1
    #23493764 - 07/30/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Fennario said:
How does one let go of the self, and not view themselves as superior, inferior, or equal to others?

Is this possible?




the simplest answer is that it already happens all the time

but because we are in the habit of assuming we are a solid self we tend to miss it

Whenever one is happy to see a friend (for example) and runs up and hugs them - or exclaims, something exuberant and spontaneous , at that moment self has been forgotten. Thinking and worrying and all self concerns have stopped. Self dies and is reborn constantly. So the question is not wrong, but misguided.

(Basic 101 zen .. or ... But fuck that, ...  How ya doing bro?)


So zen, or awakened life, practice is to notice Self dying and reborn constantly. Perhaps some 'things' are better than we usually realize.


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Re: Letting go of self. [Re: Lucis]
    #23494159 - 07/30/16 11:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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How does one let go of the self, and not view themselves as superior, inferior, or equal to others?

Is this possible?




By realising it doesn't matter what other people think, focus on yourself and care about your needs and wants as long as you're not harming anyone else.

You're as important as anyone else.


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