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h0ldthedoor
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how do these jars look? pf tek, brf cakes
#23483240 - 07/27/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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First timer, here are some jars that were inoculated on Sunday morning. Would appreciate feedback and advice, especially if anything looks wrong. The jar that is circled looks different than the rest, maybe the start of some mycelium? Would have snapped photos of all jars, but did not want to disturb them.
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Re: how do these jars look? pf tek, brf cakes [Re: h0ldthedoor]
#23483245 - 07/27/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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yup. thats myc starting to grow in the circled pic. 
now just gotta play the waiting game.
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Re: how do these jars look? pf tek, brf cakes [Re: h0ldthedoor]
#23483291 - 07/27/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Always keep your foes confused. If they are never certain who you are or what you want, they cannot know what you are like to do next. Sometimes the best way to baffle them is to make moves that have no purpose, or even seem to work against you. – Petyr Baelish
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Re: how do these jars look? pf tek, brf cakes [Re: h0ldthedoor]
#23483313 - 07/27/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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your jars look properly mixed. this is pleasing
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Re: how do these jars look? pf tek, brf cakes [Re: locallorax]
#23484725 - 07/28/16 07:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thank you!
Checked them this morning and another jar has a little spot of something going on now too.
Here's the jar that is circled in the first post

Here is the other jar

It is still really early, but does the moisture look good? After checking some pf tek grow logs, the moisture on the inside of the jar has me a little worried..
Go easy on me if posting pics this early and asking for advice is poor form, still learning and really worried about these little guys...
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Re: how do these jars look? pf tek, brf cakes [Re: h0ldthedoor]
#23484779 - 07/28/16 07:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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they look fine. a little moisture on the inside is normal. especially once the myc starts growing, it will create more moisture.
try to leave them alone, and only check on them weekly or so, until they are getting really close to finished. this way you arent moving them too much and it should help the anxiety/worry. maybe start some more projects, like getting into agar or something, to keep you occupied and away from the colonizing jars =p
or make your SGFC if you havent already.
looks good so far, though.
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Re: how do these jars look? pf tek, brf cakes [Re: mupetmower]
#23486364 - 07/28/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Got the tub, planning on how to build it now.
Dimensions of the tub are 26 1/2" L x 16" W x 12 1/4" H
The initial plan is to make 20 holes on the long sides, one every 5 1/3" across spaced 3 1/16" apart, make 12 holes on the short sides, one every 3" across spaced 3 1/16" apart, and make 20 holes on the bottom and top sides, one every 5 1/3" across spaced 4" apart. The holes would all be 1/4".
The inside would have about 4" of perlite, with the BRF cakes sitting on foil sheets slightly larger than the cakes themselves. There would also be an equivalent 60w CFL bulb over the tub on a 12/12 timer. The tub would also be resting on something to elevate it off of whatever it's placed on (counter, shelf, box, whatever the case) by about 1" or 2" (depending on what's lying around).
Points of concern are the exact number of holes and the size of holes (pf tek says to use uniform 1/4" holes, comparing the perlite to a 1/4" hole, it looks like the perlite will fall through, how can one prevent this from happening? is screen a viable solution?).
How does this sound?
Mind you all measurements are approximate, this is nothing but a sketch in my mind.
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Re: how do these jars look? pf tek, brf cakes [Re: h0ldthedoor]
#23486533 - 07/28/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you have a non-inoculated jar for easy mould detection?
The jars look fine tough
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Re: how do these jars look? pf tek, brf cakes [Re: zeric]
#23486549 - 07/28/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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this is all you need to know.. the exact number of holes you need is however many holes it takes to drill 14in in a 2x2in grid on all sides.
why are you planning all these crazy dimensions for the holes? just make a proper SGFC, following that tek.
the perlite wont fall through. a few pieces will when you first put it in, but then it will stop, and the rest will stay just fine.
also, i would try to get it more than 2in from the floor/table. try for at least 4-6in if possible. you could use jars or canned soup/veggies, cups, etc. and ideally, you want at least a foot on all sides from walls/obstructions.
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Re: how do these jars look? pf tek, brf cakes [Re: zeric]
#23486553 - 07/28/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I believe you are greatly over thinking it. You don't need that many holes nor 4'' of perlite. My terrariums have had 1'' of perlite and done the job quite well. As long as you fan and mist them everyday you will be fine.
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Re: how do these jars look? pf tek, brf cakes [Re: zeric]
#23486560 - 07/28/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Btw: the single greatest thing you can do to your crop is rolling and drinking the cakes at the proper times. Now THAT makes a huge difference.
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Re: how do these jars look? pf tek, brf cakes [Re: zeric]
#23486561 - 07/28/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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no, you do want that much perlite... 4-5in. and holes on all six sides in a 2x2in grid. at least, if you want ideal conditions for your fruits.
fanning is not the same as FAE..
go take a look at the link i just posted.
EDIT - so, youre saying that proper FAE wont make that much difference? i disagree.
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Edited by mupetmower (07/28/16 05:10 PM)
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Re: how do these jars look? pf tek, brf cakes [Re: zeric]
#23486568 - 07/28/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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zeric said: I believe you are greatly over thinking it. You don't need that many holes nor 4'' of perlite. My terrariums have had 1'' of perlite and done the job quite well. As long as you fan and mist them everyday you will be fine.
Yeah don't listen to all the PROVEN advice on here listen to this guy with the terrible advice who also reckons you should waste a jar to that you sterilized to check for contams
 It all looks OK mate the patties worked better than everyone expected I'm sure this will work well you listen and take in the CORRECT advice
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zeric said: Btw: the single greatest thing you can do to your crop is rolling and drinking the cakes at the proper times. Now THAT makes a huge difference.
Dont drink your cakes  The proper time not times to roll is after the dunk after birthing  Not roll dunk or drink
 Mine make sure its off the ground
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Edited by mrmazdarx9 (07/28/16 05:20 PM)
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Re: how do these jars look? pf tek, brf cakes [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23486624 - 07/28/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Haha. Very nice post indeed. Obviously it was rolling and dunking.
As for the terrariums I'm just giving my humble opinion based on the experiences I've had. The OP is already completely overwhelmed and he solely has some spreading mycelium over some jars. You really believe he need the added stress of a theoretically perfect terrarium?
Plus you're shooting yourself in the foot by disregarding a simple cake for molds and bacteria presence. Did you see the guy sterilizing the materials? Do you believe he inoculated the jars in a laboratory environment in order to assure 99.999% of sterilization?
What about when he's developed that perfect terrarium with that perfect crops? Is he going to eat all them shrooms?
Anyway I must thank you as I learned something with you in this post which will save me a lot of time: Don't bother trying to help...
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Re: how do these jars look? pf tek, brf cakes [Re: zeric]
#23486634 - 07/28/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't see what's so stressful about drilling some holes in a tote.
I'd be more stressed misting and fanning all goddamned day. Fanning isn't FAE. Helping isn't the wrong part, it's giving 20year old tips, when we do things far more efficiently nowadays.
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Re: how do these jars look? pf tek, brf cakes [Re: zeric]
#23486635 - 07/28/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here are pics of the jars now,

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mupetmower said: this is all you need to know.. the exact number of holes you need is however many holes it takes to drill 14in in a 2x2in grid on all sides.
why are you planning all these crazy dimensions for the holes? just make a proper SGFC, following that tek.
the perlite wont fall through. a few pieces will when you first put it in, but then it will stop, and the rest will stay just fine.
also, i would try to get it more than 2in from the floor/table. try for at least 4-6in if possible. you could use jars or canned soup/veggies, cups, etc. and ideally, you want at least a foot on all sides from walls/obstructions.
Perfect, thank you for the resource. 
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mrmazdarx9 said:
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zeric said: I believe you are greatly over thinking it. You don't need that many holes nor 4'' of perlite. My terrariums have had 1'' of perlite and done the job quite well. As long as you fan and mist them everyday you will be fine.
Yeah don't listen to all the PROVEN advice on here listen to this guy with the terrible advice who also reckons you should waste a jar to that you sterilized to check for contams
 It all looks OK mate the patties worked better than everyone expected I'm sure this will work well you listen and take in the CORRECT advice
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zeric said: Btw: the single greatest thing you can do to your crop is rolling and drinking the cakes at the proper times. Now THAT makes a huge difference.
Dont drink your cakes  The proper time not times to roll is after the dunk after birthing  Not roll dunk or drink
Thank you for the kind words! 
My plan is after it looks like the jars have colonized 100%, they'll sit another seven days. Then, the stock pot will be filled with water. After opening one jar at a time, knocking them on something to get the cake free, if necessary, the cake will be gently wiped free of the dry verm layer and gently rinsed with a small stream of fresh water before being placed in the stock pot. This process will be repeated until all cakes are rinsed and placed in the stock pot. A large dinner plate will be used to hold the cakes down in the stock pot and the sauce pot will remain covered to sit for 24hrs. After 24hrs, the cakes will be rolled in dry verm until they are uniformly coated and then moved to the SGFC.
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zeric said: I believe you are greatly over thinking it. You don't need that many holes nor 4'' of perlite. My terrariums have had 1'' of perlite and done the job quite well. As long as you fan and mist them everyday you will be fine.
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zeric said: Btw: the single greatest thing you can do to your crop is rolling and drinking the cakes at the proper times. Now THAT makes a huge difference.
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Edited by h0ldthedoor (07/28/16 05:45 PM)
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Re: how do these jars look? pf tek, brf cakes [Re: zeric]
#23486639 - 07/28/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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zeric said: Haha. Very nice post indeed. Obviously it was rolling and dunking.
As for the terrariums I'm just giving my humble opinion based on the experiences I've had. The OP is already completely overwhelmed and he solely has some spreading mycelium over some jars. You really believe he need the added stress of a theoretically perfect terrarium?
Plus you're shooting yourself in the foot by disregarding a simple cake for molds and bacteria presence. Did you see the guy sterilizing the materials? Do you believe he inoculated the jars in a laboratory environment in order to assure 99.999% of sterilization?
What about when he's developed that perfect terrarium with that perfect crops? Is he going to eat all them shrooms?
Anyway I must thank you as I learned something with you in this post which will save me a lot of time: Don't bother trying to help...
How is he overwhelmed? What are you on about lab techniques and 99.999% bullshit we follow teks and advice so I know he sterilized you obviously don't follow teks or we wouldn't be having this discussion And yes don't bother trying to help when your help is wrong do your research before telling people what to do
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Re: how do these jars look? pf tek, brf cakes [Re: h0ldthedoor]
#23486645 - 07/28/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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my man, you want to dunk them before rolling them in the verm. Then, you want to mist after they've sat in the SGFC a few hours.
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Re: how do these jars look? pf tek, brf cakes [Re: h0ldthedoor]
#23486646 - 07/28/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The yellow spots look bacterial. How do those particular jars smell?
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Re: how do these jars look? pf tek, brf cakes [Re: YaMoonSun]
#23486650 - 07/28/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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YaMoonSun said: The yellow spots look bacterial. How do those particular jars smell?
I think I see some mold in there  Do any of your jars look better?
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