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Myc in 'dry' verm layer - pf tek first grow
    #23478285 - 07/26/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Hello there, ladies and gentlemen.

After about a year of extensive reading about all kinds of mushrooms I decided to start my first grow of Ps. Cubensis. Got myself some B+ spores and equipment for that super easy looking pf tek a few weeks ago.

Because of several difficulties in obtaining BRF I used wholegrain rye flour, and I tell you, for a first timer it's quite difficult to get the water content right with that sticky stuff.
Out of the 5 jars I prepared, each with a 'slightly' different formula for the substrate, after steaming for 2h two came out with a (much?) higher water content than anticipated. Inoc'd them either way, as this first try is more or less just testing what does and doesn't work so I know what to do next time.

The cakes were spending 2 weeks in my glovebox to keep them away from any contams. Three of them are about 70-85% colonized, but the two wet ones neither showed obvious signs for contam, nor myc growth. Today I pulled them outta there so I could prepare for the next try. Didn't really bother sniffing them with the lids on, since my nose kinda sucks at detecting smells.

Once I opened the lids though white rhizos greeted me, peeking through the barrier of former dry and now damp verm. Due to the excess water in the jars the myc had no option but to grow on the border between substrate an verm layer it seems.
The surface is around 30% myc, 70% damp verm now and I guess by opening I invited all kinds of contams to the jars.

Question is now: what to do with them? If there's any way to keep the myc alive and growing I'd like to try it, but I'm just not experienced enough in cultivation.

Thank you all for the invaluable information on this wonderful message board and in advance for your answers.

- Camouflage

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Re: Myc in 'dry' verm layer - pf tek first grow [Re: Camouflage]
    #23478515 - 07/26/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Well since you opened them all there really is to do is to put them back in the closet and forget about them.  No reason to really do anything else.  If you open them up again and try to work with it you risk contaminating it, and as you said, there is a bit of growth on top.  Why not see if they grow?  If it doesn't work out you were gonna end up tossing them anyway.

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Re: Myc in 'dry' verm layer - pf tek first grow [Re: Shroomsh]
    #23478635 - 07/26/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Honestly I'd just toss them and make a new batch of sub with the jars.
Maybe toss them in a potter with some fresh soil and you may or may not see some fruits in a couple months


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Re: Myc in 'dry' verm layer - pf tek first grow [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23478657 - 07/26/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah some of mine did that and they were fucked. These last jars I made I did a thicker Verm layer.


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Re: Myc in 'dry' verm layer - pf tek first grow [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23480023 - 07/26/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

if it is in your dry verm layer just put the lid on and see what happens....in theory with a perfectly fine cake yo could easily open the lid and not worry about it so i wouldnt' sweat it too much...worth a shot


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Re: Myc in 'dry' verm layer - pf tek first grow [Re: cronicr]
    #23481755 - 07/27/16 09:36 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for your advice everyone!

I put the lid back on and placed them in another chamber, so I could keep any possible contams away from my main jars.
Maybe I will actually try burying them, as ComebackKid proposed, but not yet. What exactly could be the pros and cons of that?

-Camouflage

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Re: Myc in 'dry' verm layer - pf tek first grow [Re: Camouflage]
    #23495857 - 07/31/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The pros are you wont need to worry about contams, and you may see some fruits in a couple months. The cons are you may not.


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Re: Myc in 'dry' verm layer - pf tek first grow [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23495902 - 07/31/16 02:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

OP how about a picture?


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Re: Myc in 'dry' verm layer - pf tek first grow [Re: Camouflage]
    #23495983 - 07/31/16 03:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Camouflage said:Because of several difficulties in obtaining BRF I used wholegrain rye flour, and I tell you, for a first timer it's quite difficult to get the water content right with that sticky stuff.
Out of the 5 jars I prepared, each with a 'slightly' different formula for the substrate, after steaming for 2h two came out with a (much?) higher water content than anticipated.



What instructions were you following? most say to add a specific amount of water, verm & flour. But sounds like you did not follow this, if not why?

I think the original PF instructions say to add water to the BRF first, and then add verm. Others say add water to verm and then sprinkle on flour, this is what I prefer, or I add dry flour to dry verm and mix it well before adding water. Adding water to BRF is different than to other flours, water & rye flour should make a far more gloopy mess from the start.

How do you know the jars had a higher water content than anticipated? you can weigh prepared jars before and after cooking to monitor any moisture difference.

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Re: Myc in 'dry' verm layer - pf tek first grow [Re: blackout]
    #23496005 - 07/31/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I have had rye flour or wheat flour and verm end up as a doughy mess no matter what order I mixed things. Best result was with a mix of rye and brf as the brf kept things from becoming glue.

The best way to use rye or wheat flour is with straw. You suspend the flour in the premeasured water then hydrate the straw with it and press into the container. The straw is springy enough to keep it from becoming a solid glue.

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Re: Myc in 'dry' verm layer - pf tek first grow [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23504976 - 08/03/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for all the input!

Both jars contaminated with black pin head mold shortly after my last post. Had to bury them in the garden. At least I could watch the myc blueing for some strange reason, so I got that going for me, which is nice.

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JacobStorm said:
OP how about a picture?



Will post pictures of the remaining 3 jars soon, as they are close to full colonization, 2 of them possibly stalling due to bacterial contam? We'll see.

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What instructions were you following? most say to add a specific amount of water, verm & flour. But sounds like you did not follow this, if not why?

I think the original PF instructions say to add water to the BRF first, and then add verm. Others say add water to verm and then sprinkle on flour, this is what I prefer, or I add dry flour to dry verm and mix it well before adding water. Adding water to BRF is different than to other flours, water & rye flour should make a far more gloopy mess from the start.

How do you know the jars had a higher water content than anticipated? you can weigh prepared jars before and after cooking to monitor any moisture difference.



First of all: I tried for about 4h to get some kind of half-decent mix. I followed multiple instructions, separately, with varying orders of mixing the ingredients. None of the standard methods had close to the right amount of water, considering I used rye flour and not brf.

Second: according to my (very limited) experience the order of ingredients doesn't really matter, since it's gonna turn out as one big mess anyways, as Pastywhyte already pointed out.

Third: after steaming those two jars were roughly 1.5 to 2 times the weight of the other 3, which definitely wasn't the case before. Guess some boiling water made it into them somehow.


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I have had rye flour or wheat flour and verm end up as a doughy mess no matter what order I mixed things. Best result was with a mix of rye and brf as the brf kept things from becoming glue.

The best way to use rye or wheat flour is with straw. You suspend the flour in the premeasured water then hydrate the straw with it and press into the container. The straw is springy enough to keep it from becoming a solid glue.



Actually one of my 3 working jars uses half rye flour, half shredded rice. It's the most promising by now without any obvious signs of contams and full colonization.

I will try that straw thingy sometime in the future, thanks.


On monday I prepared 4 more jars, this time with brf fresh outta my new coffee grinder. Sooooo much easier, will never use rye flour as a substitute again!

- Camouflage

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