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    #23481061 - 07/27/16 02:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: ruaware] * 1
    #23481160 - 07/27/16 03:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yes. It's just a theory, really. But I believe it.


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    #23481164 - 07/27/16 03:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: ruaware] * 2
    #23481183 - 07/27/16 03:25 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I think the ego is real and it's part of a Triune modeled brain.
The ego is one of three perspectives a human can experience.
The ID is what you want, the ego is what you need and the super-ego is what you think you should have.


These are the three sections of the brain that govern the three forms of perspective.
ID function = fight or flight response (Reptilian complex governs gut)
Ego function = confidence (Mammalian complex governs heart rate)
Super-Ego function = perception (Neocortex)


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    #23481193 - 07/27/16 03:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: ruaware]
    #23481246 - 07/27/16 04:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Watch The lecture by Robert Lanza that Asante posted....it is about egocentrism...Good stuff about the subject.

And yes I belive that we are all part of Cosmos...Like it or not we are connected.

:heart: Much Love to You all! :heart:


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 2
    #23481262 - 07/27/16 04:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

sometimes I am convinced that people cannot understand what they are without going mad.

the way I go mad is by following the breath and observing mental contents.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: ruaware]
    #23481270 - 07/27/16 04:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Have you experienced ego death?


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: ruaware]
    #23481577 - 07/27/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I started to feel everything was connected when I was very young, early teen years, it wasn't until later that I found much of what I was experiencing, within Buddhist teachings.  I like reading about Buddhism a lot because it gives me a sense of being connected to everything, which makes me treat myself, and this world, in a positive manner.

But I cannot help but think the ego is there, if it's not there then what do you call it when you go out the door and take a look at yourself to make sure you look OK? 

I have thought much about there being two forms of ego, one being the normal ego we need in order to get through life, you know shave for your job, cut your fingernails, shower, brush your teeth, etc.

Then there's the other ego, the bad ego, which is where we start to compare ourselves to others, and want to crush others, show how dominant we can be, brag about our good deeds rather than do them without want of recognition, this bad ego constantly seeks recognition, is based on results alone, and cares nothing for others, only cares about getting ahead and the attention that comes from that.

Sometimes it's scary how connected everything seems, not bad scary, like whoa there's some major truth to this whole connection thing, it really amazes me.

I have not made up mind completely on the subject yet, am still learning.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: Lucis]
    #23481762 - 07/27/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I remember reading that science said something similar. People are are made out of "star stuff" from the very explosion that created the universe. Our atoms are the same as everyone else and when we die then our bodies go back into the cosmos so to speak.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: FlowerofTitania]
    #23481784 - 07/27/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I feel like you cant help but start to think that way after taking a psychedelic. Especially mushrooms. They consistently cause me to feel extreme unity with everything in existence. Usually when that happens to me on mushrooms im also writhing in total orgasm for hours. :thumbup:


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: FlowerofTitania] * 1
    #23481799 - 07/27/16 09:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I remember reading that science said something similar. People are are made out of "star stuff" from the very explosion that created the universe. Our atoms are the same as everyone else and when we die then our bodies go back into the cosmos so to speak.




And when you think about it, atoms and molecules don't age.  They don't die.  They've existed at least since the big bang, and perhaps an infinitely long time.  I've often wondered what it means for us mortal beings that we're made of immortal material.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #23481945 - 07/27/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I think our mortality comes from the sense of our minds. Our minds aren't eternal, but in some way the body is. I mean, at its base level your body doesn't die, it just gets transmuted to something else.

Any sense of you is only that, a "sense". There are even quite a few papers in sociology that recognize the ego and self as an illusion, but a necessary illusion in order to function in the world. I mean, the very phenomenon of amnesia gives me pause about the self. If I can't remember "who I am" then I would be at the mercy of being created again by others. The self after all, is little more than a story we tell, so what happens when you don't remember the words?


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: FlowerofTitania] * 1
    #23481970 - 07/27/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I think our mortality comes from the sense of our minds. Our minds aren't eternal, but in some way the body is. I mean, at its base level your body doesn't die, it just gets transmuted to something else.

Any sense of you is only that, a "sense". There are even quite a few papers in sociology that recognize the ego and self as an illusion, but a necessary illusion in order to function in the world. I mean, the very phenomenon of amnesia gives me pause about the self. If I can't remember "who I am" then I would be at the mercy of being created again by others. The self after all, is little more than a story we tell, so what happens when you don't remember the words?




Very interesting points.  Yes, in the case of amnesia, it's pretty weird.  It is my understanding that some people, after they've had traumatic brain injury and go through a period of amnesia, often end up having a completely different personality than the one they had before.  In some cases I've heard of, they actually resent what people tell them they used to be like.  Obviously in cases like these, we can see that the personality and the ego are not fixed to anything, they are completely fluid.  This, of course, has very relevant ramifications for the OP.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23482112 - 07/27/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Makes me wonder why people worry about something so fragile


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: sudly]
    #23482436 - 07/27/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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The ego is one of three perspectives a human can experience.
The ID is what you want, the ego is what you need and the super-ego is what you think you should have.





That's not really what the theory suggests. Your ID description seems in the right area but 'What you think you should have', in particular pertains to ID.

The theory proposes that the ID is the selfish 'automatic' self which fulfils basic need for survival, the superego is the higher moralistic self and the ego is the mediator which culminates an image to project to the world based upon decided quantities of superego and ID combined.

Freud basically only introduced a warm into a 'hot and cold'. It can be applied to any dualism and wasn't particularly revolutionary, regardless of how it perpetuated into some sort of psychological standard, but I'd save him from being pushed off a cliff.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: ruaware] * 1
    #23482927 - 07/27/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

To think the ego isn't real is to deny a part of reality.

>The big bang happened, all this chemistry and physics just exploded.

Did you just just the universe?


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: Hobozen]
    #23482962 - 07/27/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Is also like to think of it as "all are equal in death". Every King and beggar and teacher and student are all equal and one in death.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: FlowerofTitania]
    #23483142 - 07/27/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

They say every atom in our bodies was once part of a star
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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: Starstepper]
    #23483231 - 07/27/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The Universe doesn't judge, it just is, as it always was. As I am, as I always will be.


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In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23483319 - 07/27/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Duncan Rowhl said:
Quote:

sudly said:
The ego is one of three perspectives a human can experience.
The ID is what you want, the ego is what you need and the super-ego is what you think you should have.





That's not really what the theory suggests. Your ID description seems in the right area but 'What you think you should have', in particular pertains to ID.

The theory proposes that the ID is the selfish 'automatic' self which fulfils basic need for survival, the superego is the higher moralistic self and the ego is the mediator which culminates an image to project to the world based upon decided quantities of superego and ID combined.

Freud basically only introduced a warm into a 'hot and cold'. It can be applied to any dualism and wasn't particularly revolutionary, regardless of how it perpetuated into some sort of psychological standard, but I'd save him from being pushed off a cliff.




The super ego is judgement, guilt and what tells us it's a 'sin', if it's good or bad, our sense of morality. The way I see it, our own super-ego's are a part of what creates our personalities and that's what you think is right.

And yes the ego mediates the ID and the Super-Ego by distinguishing between what you want and what you think you need.

The idea is a conglomeration of Freudian Theory and Paul D.Macleans Theory of a Triune Brain.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: sudly]
    #23483411 - 07/27/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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sudly said:
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Duncan Rowhl said:
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sudly said:
The ego is one of three perspectives a human can experience.
The ID is what you want, the ego is what you need and the super-ego is what you think you should have.





That's not really what the theory suggests. Your ID description seems in the right area but 'What you think you should have', in particular pertains to ID.

The theory proposes that the ID is the selfish 'automatic' self which fulfils basic need for survival, the superego is the higher moralistic self and the ego is the mediator which culminates an image to project to the world based upon decided quantities of superego and ID combined.

Freud basically only introduced a warm into a 'hot and cold'. It can be applied to any dualism and wasn't particularly revolutionary, regardless of how it perpetuated into some sort of psychological standard, but I'd save him from being pushed off a cliff.




The super ego is judgement, guilt and what tells us it's a 'sin', if it's good or bad, our sense of morality. The way I see it, our own super-ego's are a part of what creates our personalities and that's what you think is right.

And yes the ego mediates the ID and the Super-Ego by distinguishing between what you want and what you think you need.

The idea is a conglomeration of Freudian Theory and Paul D.Macleans Theory of a Triune Brain.




Your correction is correct, yep. The superego is about what you think is right. It's not what you think you should have as originally stated.

I'm confused by what you've said in relation to what the ego mediates though, since you've changed it again to something that's incorrect, after you've just stated the correct term. :smile:

We'd conclude...

The ego is mediator between what you want (ID) and what you think is right (superego).


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: Eclipse3130] * 1
    #23483421 - 07/27/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Of course we are all the universe..

How could we not be?
Most elements beyond hydrogen were forged in the furnace of a star; (every atom in your body).

The Supernova of billions (trillions?) of stars throughout the universes alleged beginning (big bang) transmit the  elements in every direction.

Somehow, these elements grow in complexity of arrangement and order (gravity?) leading to planets, life, us.

Somehow this evolution in the complexity of order developed awareness, reflecting on itself .
It developed will, a previously unseen force in the universe before life.
It developed completely abstract complexities such as intelligence, knowledge, technology, culture.

And it's only becoming more complex as time progresses.
You are apart of it.
Your happening with it co-creating reality, even if you may not realize it.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23483475 - 07/27/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Duncan Rowhl said:
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sudly said:
Quote:

Duncan Rowhl said:
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sudly said:
The ego is one of three perspectives a human can experience.
The ID is what you want, the ego is what you need and the super-ego is what you think you should have.





That's not really what the theory suggests. Your ID description seems in the right area but 'What you think you should have', in particular pertains to ID.

The theory proposes that the ID is the selfish 'automatic' self which fulfils basic need for survival, the superego is the higher moralistic self and the ego is the mediator which culminates an image to project to the world based upon decided quantities of superego and ID combined.

Freud basically only introduced a warm into a 'hot and cold'. It can be applied to any dualism and wasn't particularly revolutionary, regardless of how it perpetuated into some sort of psychological standard, but I'd save him from being pushed off a cliff.




The super ego is judgement, guilt and what tells us it's a 'sin', if it's good or bad, our sense of morality. The way I see it, our own super-ego's are a part of what creates our personalities and that's what you think is right.

And yes the ego mediates the ID and the Super-Ego by distinguishing between what you want and what you think you need.

The idea is a conglomeration of Freudian Theory and Paul D.Macleans Theory of a Triune Brain.




Your correction is correct, yep. The superego is about what you think is right. It's not what you think you should have as originally stated.

I'm confused by what you've said in relation to what the ego mediates though, since you've changed it again to something that's incorrect, after you've just stated the correct term. :smile:

We'd conclude...

The ego is mediator between what you want (ID) and what you think is right (superego).




What you think is right is what you think you need and what you think you need is what you think you should have.

E.g. Your Super-Ego judges how much cake you think you should eat, your ID decides how much cake you want and the Ego makes a choice between the ID and the Super-Ego.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: sudly]
    #23483558 - 07/27/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Alas! You should have shared this cake earlier! :grin:


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23483620 - 07/27/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Tis only my undertanding. :hatsoff:


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23483705 - 07/27/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

At the base of my beliefs I think sentience is control of electromagnetic action in the Central Nervous System.


And of course I agree that the human body is made up of star dust seeing as the atoms that make it up were forged from stars that went supernova and spread their dust into space.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: sudly] * 2
    #23484253 - 07/28/16 12:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

when you are really stoned, you can experience things and your reflex reactions will not kick in.

the aggregate of all those reactions is the ego.

it exists as your potential set of reactions, but in some states of mind it may not kick in and you will be "as a child" in wonder.

you can transcend the grip of your ego by concerted practice, but this also is how ego is built, by learning and repetition. Meditation is part of ego.

Ego sculpting is part of buddhist and other meditation training, but ego denial is something that stoners dream of, since it collides with experiences of cosmic consciousness and some interpretations (stoned ones) of ancient wisdom.

Ego suppression during deeply absorptive meditation states (without psychedelics) also accompanies cosmic consciousness, or satori like experiences. (with the same glorious feeling of being as a child in wonder)

Those satori like experiences are usually the domain of "enlightened" persons, but when those persons are back in their skins and walking around their ego's are fully functioning. They do not normally walk around without ego engaged, walking is very complicated. they do practice to have more socially lovely egos, which is admirable but also the satori states inspire child like clarity and simple behavior.

Then again, during cosmic consciousness experiences it is very rare for stoned people to walk around as well. The afterglow of ego loss or of cosmic consciousness is wonderful, but it is potentially deceptive - equally so if you get there by meditation or by drugs.

Ego is the current sum total of a person's reaction set (all the attitudes and mini programs up to now)

The illustration of ego as a part of a triangle taking up a space between superego (morality) and id (all personal experiences and memory) is no longer a realistic view. Ego is more functional than that, it is not something that can be surgically removed nor can it be chemically suppressed in a dependable way. Even with psychedelic you have to be lucky to have an experience that is 'ego free' and deliriously wonderful at the same time.

Both morality and memory are evidence of the same cognitive apparatus as your portfolio of attitudes and reactions (ego).


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: sudly]
    #23486772 - 07/28/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I think the ego is real and it's part of a Triune modeled brain.
The ego is one of three perspectives a human can experience.
The ID is what you want, the ego is what you need and the super-ego is what you think you should have.





I'm familiar with those diagrams and depiction of the reptilian, the mammalian and the human.  They are not wrong, but the interconnectedness is not represented.  And a very important aspect, the corpus calosum.

Needs are recognized by the Id as physical, and the Ego works to see them met with cognitive processes.  One of the Ego's greatest tasks is to obviate the wants and desires of the Id into socially acceptable forms for gratification.  My signature addresses this,

The ego is real, and comprehensively it is that 14% which is termed the cognitive capacity.  It is primarily left brain, but the left brain dynamically uses all other parts, except for the hypothalamus, the reptilian mind.  The hypothalamus ends up using the cognitive, mostly, for the attainment of needs and desires.

And there is the pineal, which is connected to all of the bodies nerves.  The pineal was termed by Descarte to be the "seat of the soul".  It is very likely that our sense of the universe comes from the pineal.  While the corpus colosseum provides massive high speed interconnectedness between all of it, with the Limbic system making coherent feelings originating in the hypothalamus, with the influence of the pineal, that our body responds to without thought.

Colin Wilson, the science fiction author compiled some medical facts that medicine, for some reason, failed to do.  His compilation is called, "Our Two Brains".

http://truthasaur.tripod.com/twominds1.html

But Wilson does not state a profound, possible inference from his compilation.  It is hard to believe he did not make the inference.

The inference is, that when speaking or listening to speech, the left, cognitive mind is always involved, but reading or writing might be done without the cognitive minds use.

The implications of this related to the government promotion of the internet is something that should be recognized.  Prior to the internet, one of the most popular social mediums was the CB radio.  Now, few people use it.  On the internet, conspiracy theories abound, but accountability is scarce.  CB radio made accountability more vital, and conspiracies were not much discussed unless context was provided by other social sources of information.  Perhaps for the same social reasons they are maligned and marginalized unaccountably on the internet today.

Psychology and medicine agree that our conscious, cognitive existence, is no more than 14% of our total mental capacity utilized at any given moment.  This diagram creates some proportion to the conscious/unconscious relationship.



And the potential for sleep state involvement with the universe(?)/unconscious is made graphic.  Most importantly the concept of time is somewhat neutralized, as in the unconscious, they could slip back and forth in time, and because it is all unconscious, the knowledge of that would not exist.


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    #23486924 - 07/28/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Psychology and medicine agree that our conscious, cognitive existence, is no more than 14% of our total mental capacity utilized at any given moment. 




I don't think that Psychology and Medicine are entities that have had occasion to agree or endorse this notion.

The whole brain is engaged in all activity.
the state of mind could be correlated with how intensely areas are being activated in a sustained or resonant way, but the whole brain is generally active only to the extent that issues are collected and reflected or correlated.

full on is whiteout.
even more than 12 % means that the sensations and memories are being burned beyond their associated fixed positions.

for any detail to resolve in mind, there has to be contrast, like figure and ground, and with that it could seem that some voltage is kept lower (ground) while some is kept higher (figure).

the concept you are promoting re using more of the brain has been debunked as fake science.

To use the brain better, however is all about finding things that are worth repeating (moral judgements) and practicing them (a kind of meditation ) to establish good habits.


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    #23491790 - 07/30/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Psychology and medicine agree that our conscious, cognitive existence, is no more than 14% of our total mental capacity utilized at any given moment.  This diagram creates some proportion to the conscious/unconscious relationship.



And the potential for sleep state involvement with the universe(?)/unconscious is made graphic.  Most importantly the concept of time is somewhat neutralized, as in the unconscious, they could slip back and forth in time, and because it is all unconscious, the knowledge of that would not exist.




Isn't being able to 'slip back and forth' in time simply the distinction between recalling memories or being present and in the moment.  :strokebeard:


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    #23492329 - 07/30/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Isn't being able to 'slip back and forth' in time simply the distinction between recalling memories or being present and in the moment.  :strokebeard:



more or less but the resolution can vary a lot:
i.e. 1) while being in the moment you could also be in the past a few seconds ago and distracted by that ---> this will produce deja vu when you snap out of distraction.
and  2) while reliving a reconstruction of the past (daydreaming) the present 'moment' is actually full of this reconstruction (enhanced by memory of course)


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    #23492379 - 07/30/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Psychology and medicine agree that our conscious, cognitive existence, is no more than 14% of our total mental capacity utilized at any given moment. 



I don't think that Psychology and Medicine are entities that have had occasion to agree or endorse this notion.
The whole brain is engaged in all activity.
the state of mind could be correlated with how intensely areas are being activated in a sustained or resonant way, but the whole brain is generally active only to the extent that issues are collected and reflected or correlated.
full on is whiteout.
even more than 12 % means that the sensations and memories are being burned beyond their associated fixed positions.
for any detail to resolve in mind, there has to be contrast, like figure and ground, and with that it could seem that some voltage is kept lower (ground) while some is kept higher (figure).
the concept you are promoting re using more of the brain has been debunked as fake science.
To use the brain better, however is all about finding things that are worth repeating (moral judgements) and practicing them (a kind of meditation ) to establish good habits.



"the concept you are promoting re using more of the brain has been debunked as fake science."

Can you show where I promote that?  Seems your statement is not complete, or fully coherent.

"I don't think that Psychology and Medicine are entities that have had occasion to agree or endorse this notion."

http://1bodyweighttraining.com/unconscious-mind/
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Even when we think we are conscious it is our unconscious mind which is actually making our decisions for us.
Our unconscious mind is running on automatic pilot mode 95% of the time!
Neuroscientists have shown the conscious mind works at best 5% of the time.
That means 5% or less of our decision making cognitive (conscious) activity is active during the day.
And 5% is for the more aware people, so many people operate at 1% consciousness.
Dr Lipton says unconscious minds operate at 40 million bits of data per second.




"The whole brain is engaged in all activity."

Since the 1960's psychology and medicine have agreed that no more than 14% of the total mental capacity is ever used in a waking state. However, unknown to the conscious mind with any activity are perhaps millions of unconscious activities>  The above quote reduces that estimate.  It is a dynamic relationship.  The conscious mind uses whatever part of the unconscious will work best for the given task when a persons conscious mind is harmonious and aligned with the unconscious.
I recently define "subconscious" as that part which is not conscious, but are currently unconscious features in use by the conscious.  That is consistent with what I cite of Dr. Liptons work.

http://omtimes.com/2015/04/bruce-lipton-secret-conscious-subconscious-mind/
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The subconscious is the equivalent of the habit mind. It’s purely stimulus – response. You push a button and you create a behaviour, no thinking involved. You walk outside for example and it’s cold. The body will sense the temperature, the subconscious mind will adjust the temperature of the interior of the body, heating it up, to keep it on a working temperature. Or, if you step outside and it’s warm, the body will read the warm temperature and then start to cool the body down using perspiration to keep the same body temperature. You don’t have any thoughts about this, this all happens automatically. A change in temperature causes the biology to automatically adjust. 95% of our life, including our behaviour, is from that mind.




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It’s now a proven fact the unconscious mind is running your life…
Will you embrace this new perspective by cutting edge molecular biologists?
Foremost is professor of medicine at Stanford University…Dr Bruce Lipton.
Dr Lipton says the new science of epigenetics has shown our genes are in fact controlled and manipulated by how our minds perceive and interpret our environment.
It was believed by science our genes dictated our traits and our genes form who we are.




http://www.mindbodysoulfitness.com.au/_blog/What's_New/post/is-your-unconscious-mind-running-your-life-part-1/

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Dr. Lipton explains that there are two separate minds that create what he calls the body's controlling voice.  There is a conscious mind that can think freely and create new ideas 'out of the box'.  Then there is basically a super computer loaded with a database of programmed behaviours, most of which we acquired before we reached the age of six. The subconscious mind cannot move outside its fixed programs - it automatically reacts to situations with its previously stored behaviour responses.




"To use the brain better, however is all about finding things that are worth repeating (moral judgements) and practicing them (a kind of meditation ) to establish good habits."

Did you mean "mediation"?
Moral judgments are largely societal in their origins, where a group is exercising their unconscious patterning and agreeing, unconsiously perhaps, and then the agreements are learned by the conscious minds of individuals as standards to be exercised in society for control of the self and judgement of others.

Moral judgements may be restrictive of what the unconscious finds "worth repeating", but if its worth repeating, the unconscious will assign the experience to long term memory.


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    #23492433 - 07/30/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Psychology and medicine agree that our conscious, cognitive existence, is no more than 14% of our total mental capacity utilized at any given moment.  This diagram creates some proportion to the conscious/unconscious relationship.



And the potential for sleep state involvement with the universe(?)/unconscious is made graphic.  Most importantly the concept of time is somewhat neutralized, as in the unconscious, they could slip back and forth in time, and because it is all unconscious, the knowledge of that would not exist.




Isn't being able to 'slip back and forth' in time simply the distinction between recalling memories or being present and in the moment.  :strokebeard:




Yes, in a way, that is true, but with perception of reality rather than the experience of it.  There is a concept which I've originated, documented in the graphic below, which is 3rd in the series, the 1st is above, that describes a "resolute barrier".  This defines that which we cannot know.  So perceptions could record an event that your unconscious will not allow you to consciously know at the moment or from memory. 


(I resized that image,  http://algoxy.com/psych/psyimages/onedayofyourlife.s3.jpg ;  but the forum seems to only use the original size and the hyperlink created has a 20% etc appended, so you'll have to copy and past it to see it as it is on my server.  )

But time advances, and as living organisms we experience it, but our minds as they record it may or may not be able to know it with memory or at the moment!  The resolute barrier is a socially defined thing for the most part.  Or, what will cause rejection, a painful thing, may invoke denial of conscious perception by the resolute barrier.


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    #23492504 - 07/30/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

did you just use a body weight training blog as your primary scientific authority? your second authority showing that science and medicine are in agreement is a lightweight pop interview from OMTimes, which might hold weight in the Spirituality & Mysticism forum.

you should just study basic science and work from there if you want to argue, or maybe go to a bar, the fights are better there.

education is meaningless once the fighting sets in.

what comes through the mass media is not science, it's pop culture,


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    #23492949 - 07/30/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I've come to the conclusion that the ego isn't real. Im not actually me. Im just a bunch of wires connected to each other, my brain is just these neurons and its just biology and chemistry. Quite depressing actually...

But i got the idea that we are all the universe. The big bang happened, all this chemistry and physics just exploded. Then biological life formed. It's like we're all the universe, all of us, connected. There is no you, or i. We're are the universe experiencing itself.




what you've posted isn't overly mystic so I tend to agree, but when examining the various "parts" I think we tend to separate them me/not me when it might be just as good or better to simply recognize the differences in various aspects of existence.

For instance, the ego is "real" in the phenomenal sense that we are having thoughts and acting through mechanisms that are to some degree deterministic and not based in consciousness. Expressions of ego and "abiding in consciousness" are different processes. In a sense we are none of those things ("we" being an idea) and we are all of those things.

Also, it may be useful to take the point of view that in some ways we are "the universe" and in some ways we are not. It can all be broken down until it's just smoke, but that is only so helpful in a practical sense. In this sense, supposing that the ultimate goal is the eradication of confusion, one must accept some level of confusion in order to deal with the various ideas of existence without exclusion or a level of polarity that is detrimental to that goal.


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    #23493793 - 07/30/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I've come to the conclusion that the ego isn't real. Im not actually me. Im just a bunch of wires connected to each other, my brain is just these neurons and its just biology and chemistry. .... We're are the universe experiencing itself.




the zen masters used to slap folks who spouted this shit

nowadays guys like Wayne Dyer and Depak Chopra make millions spouting it

the question we face is how we deal with the stuff we don't want to deal with

in the face of that, it would seem, often clever insights don't really give one a leg up


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: ChristopherABrown]
    #23494082 - 07/30/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Isn't being able to 'slip back and forth' in time simply the distinction between recalling memories or being present and in the moment.  :strokebeard:




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Yes, in a way, that is true, but with perception of reality rather than the experience of it.  There is a concept which I've originated, documented in the graphic below, which is 3rd in the series, the 1st is above, that describes a "resolute barrier".  This defines that which we cannot know.  So perceptions could record an event that your unconscious will not allow you to consciously know at the moment or from memory. 


(I resized that image,  http://algoxy.com/psych/psyimages/onedayofyourlife.s3.jpg ;  but the forum seems to only use the original size and the hyperlink created has a 20% etc appended, so you'll have to copy and past it to see it as it is on my server. )

But time advances, and as living organisms we experience it, but our minds as they record it may or may not be able to know it with memory or at the moment!  The resolute barrier is a socially defined thing for the most part.  Or, what will cause rejection, a painful thing, may invoke denial of conscious perception by the resolute barrier.




Again, isn't our perception of something also our experience of it? Seeing as we can change our focus/awareness between explicit and implicit perceptions.

I think the 'unconscious' is simply our instinct, intuition and feelings, the part of our brain governed by the reptilian complex and the sympathetic nervous system (fight or flight response).



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    #23494902 - 07/31/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Again, isn't our perception of something also our experience of it? Seeing as we can change our focus/awareness between explicit and implicit perceptions.

I think the 'unconscious' is simply our instinct, intuition and feelings, the part of our brain governed by the reptilian complex and the sympathetic nervous system (fight or flight response).





Yes, I must agree.  But, since the motivation to change focus, which is either implicit or explicitly driven, the feedback controlling the resolute barrier may or may not be subject to explicit control,  the graphic depicts that.

This depends on the subject matter and unconscious, processing of it.  If this were not true, dissociation would not exist.

It was that very factor that led me to develop the concept of the resolute barrier.

I've separated focus from awareness.  Unconscious awareness is an implicit response.  Explicit focus is dependent upon how the impulse to implicit response is enacted according to initial, prime associations of instinct either conditioned or unconditioned.


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    #23495012 - 07/31/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

don't waste time trying to figure out what a subconscious is.

the term is too vague and no experts actually can agree.
this does not mean they are still looking at better ways of finding it.

it is a proposed thing based upon medieval hierarchical concepts with god on the top and angels fluttering  throughout.

you have consciousness which hosts body sensation with memory fixation and recall.

everything else in consciousness is a form of sensation or reconstituted memory fragments.

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    #23495299 - 07/31/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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don't waste time trying to figure out what a subconscious is.

the term is too vague and no experts actually can agree.
this does not mean they are still looking at better ways of finding it.

it is a proposed thing based upon medieval hierarchical concepts with god on the top and angels fluttering  throughout.

you have consciousness which hosts body sensation with memory fixation and recall.

everything else in consciousness is a form of sensation or reconstituted memory fragments.

keep it simple s...




Well the effort to understand our mental existence deserves some effort.  But you are correct about the lack of agreement.  I can see small tangle of semantics partly responsible.

Since the cognitive waking state experience is necessarily limited to only the vital information in the strictest sense of survival, AND the term "subconscious" implies linkage to the waking cognitive state, the term "sub cognitive" would be closely interchangeable, except for the implication of unconscious, instinctual control.

Therefore the better definition of subconscious is as an intermediary between cognition and instinctual, emotional memory, fragments or otherwise unconscious information.  Since the conscious cognitive capacity any any moment is limited to no more than 14%, the information or possession of the subconscious may be temporary an incedental to varying degrees.


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    #23495984 - 07/31/16 03:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Since the cognitive waking state experience is necessarily limited to only the vital information in the strictest sense of survival, AND the term "subconscious" implies linkage to the waking cognitive state, the term "sub cognitive" would be closely interchangeable, except for the implication of unconscious, instinctual control.






the cognitive waking state experience is not limited to anything other than all sensory mental contents:
it is a fluid and changing sensory feed mixed with a constant feed from memory based upon cues in the content.

this is way bigger than survival, while suitable to augment ordinary survival.


there is no need to propose a sub conscious that is anything other than aggregate memory.
we don't need two different concepts that are really one thing.

cognitive just pertains to the mental contents which is always sensory mixed with pertinent memory.


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    #23498472 - 08/01/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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the cognitive waking state experience is not limited to anything other than all sensory mental contents:





Which means cognition consists of all perceptions and contents might refer to memory.

I think you might want to rephrase that.


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    #23498783 - 08/01/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

memory appears equal to sensation in the cerebral cortex.
there is no way to differentiate the source, i.e. is it recall - regenerated, or is it from sensory receptors.
at the interface to consciousness and memory formation sensation and artifacts of recall are 100% the same thing.

perception is a form of memory artifact.
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    #23499791 - 08/01/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I've come to the conclusion that the ego isn't real. Im not actually me. Im just a bunch of wires connected to each other, my brain is just these neurons and its just biology and chemistry. Quite depressing actually...

But i got the idea that we are all the universe. The big bang happened, all this chemistry and physics just exploded. Then biological life formed. It's like we're all the universe, all of us, connected. There is no you, or i. We're are the universe experiencing itself.




nice sentiment;
if illogical:
you don't exist, but are part of a 'we',
that is made up of 'others' that also don't exist ...
very interesting
then somehow entities that don't exist, share awareness
but most of them don't know it,
but you do ...
very interesting
and now 'you' are sharing this vital information with 'us' ...
very interesting
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    #23506213 - 08/03/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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memory appears equal to sensation in the cerebral cortex.
there is no way to differentiate the source, i.e. is it recall - regenerated, or is it from sensory receptors.
at the interface to consciousness and memory formation sensation and artifacts of recall are 100% the same thing.

perception is a form of memory artifact.
something previously sensed and associated with something else




Hmm, certainly to a degree, there is an equality momentarily, but the temporal lobe and the anterior part of the occipital lobes are the most important in more complex cortical functions including memory, language, abstraction, creativity, judgment, emotion and attention. They are also involved in the synthesis of movements, which of course are memory based in nearly every way.

The completion of the existential experience requires both, simply in the process of sensation and recognition.


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    #23507168 - 08/03/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Hmm, certainly to a degree, there is an equality momentarily, but the temporal lobe and the anterior part of the occipital lobes are the most important in more complex cortical functions including memory, language, abstraction, creativity, judgment, emotion and attention. They are also involved in the synthesis of movements, which of course are memory based in nearly every way.





even this
language, abstraction, creativity, judgment, emotion and attention. They are also involved in the synthesis of movements
These are all words for the act of association - one simple process that binds many parts.

complex only in the variety of what can be learned or practiced.

don't make your theory more complex, see it in action - it is not that complex.


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    #23508201 - 08/04/16 02:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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memory appears equal to sensation in the cerebral cortex.
there is no way to differentiate the source, i.e. is it recall - regenerated, or is it from sensory receptors.
at the interface to consciousness and memory formation sensation and artifacts of recall are 100% the same thing.

perception is a form of memory artifact.
something previously sensed and associated with something else



Perception isn't a memory artifact so much as it is a memory enabler.. we could even say perception seems more like a memory filter, fetching what information it can to store as memory and enabling certain memories to have more or less influence on said perceptions scope of reality (imprints).

Tl;dr: memories both influence and are made possible with perception.
Poetically, however, you are correct.


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    #23508246 - 08/04/16 03:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

sensation is the stuff that becomes memories in the cerebral cortex (-A-)
sensation triggers memories (perception) linked in the cortex (-B-)
the mix of both is electrical wave activity of sense and of (linked)memory in the cerebral cortex (-A-)
where no distinction can be made between inner or outer origin.
the combined activity of sensation and perception (-A-) triggers more associations (-B-) and ideation unfolds, memories are reconstructed, actions are enacted, sentences heard and spoken etc.

you want to call that poetry?
you want to call that god?
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    #23510503 - 08/04/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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memory appears equal to sensation in the cerebral cortex.
there is no way to differentiate the source, i.e. is it recall - regenerated, or is it from sensory receptors.
at the interface to consciousness and memory formation sensation and artifacts of recall are 100% the same thing.

perception is a form of memory artifact.
something previously sensed and associated with something else




Memory formation and recall are not the same thing as they are originated through different methods of electrical communication within body.

The sensations that form memory originate externally from environmental stimuli as they interact with sensory organs in our skin.

The artifacts of recall(memories) originate internally from electromagnetic interactions within the neural networks of the brain.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: sudly]
    #23510531 - 08/04/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

you think there are neural networks in the brain that have nothing to do with sensation?
all the nerves have to do with getting the sensation to the cortex and then fixing the patterns as memory.
neural networks in the cortex are all about sensation and enabling memory of what the senses pick up including the sense of  timing which comes from cerebellum.
the stuff in the cerebellum looks more like the neural networks that we see in cybernetics.

we need it because it is like having a few thousand programmable stopwatches.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: ruaware]
    #23511054 - 08/04/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Dude the big bang never happened. It doesnt exist because it has never been experienced.
Why does anything exist? Because it fucking has to thats why.
The same reason you have to wake up every morning.
Everythng only exists because you are experiencing it and you are able to say it does. Everything exists because of you.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23511173 - 08/04/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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you think there are neural networks in the brain that have nothing to do with sensation?
all the nerves have to do with getting the sensation to the cortex and then fixing the patterns as memory.
neural networks in the cortex are all about sensation and enabling memory of what the senses pick up including the sense of  timing which comes from cerebellum.
the stuff in the cerebellum looks more like the neural networks that we see in cybernetics.

we need it because it is like having a few thousand programmable stopwatches.




Yes, but it is two way.  Sensation comes back as remembered sensations that have tags on them from phylogenetic DNA then interpreted by the the limbic system.  And there are two ways memory may hold things we never sensed in a waking state.  Genetic memory and information from what are called dreams.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23511520 - 08/05/16 01:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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you think there are neural networks in the brain that have nothing to do with sensation?
all the nerves have to do with getting the sensation to the cortex and then fixing the patterns as memory.
neural networks in the cortex are all about sensation and enabling memory of what the senses pick up including the sense of  timing which comes from cerebellum.
the stuff in the cerebellum looks more like the neural networks that we see in cybernetics.

we need it because it is like having a few thousand programmable stopwatches.




I don't think there's sensation in the brain itself no, hence why we can have open brain surgery while awake.
I think the brain processes sensation for the rest of the body but it doesn't have sensation itself.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: sudly]
    #23511656 - 08/05/16 04:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Here's my take..

We are living in a simulation -- a simulation created by a higher being. No one knows what that higher being is, although many would like to call "it" God..

Think about this for a second..

At the rate our technology is advancing, and with virtual reality technology already taking off, just imagine what life will be like 10..20..50..100 years from now? 1000 years???

If we can create real-life simulations ourselves, who is to say a higher being hasn't already surpassed the ultimate form of simulation and created us? Created the universe? We are video game characters, with the exception that our bodies are encoded by DNA instead of ones and zeros(computer bits).

Something created this universe; something allowed us to become consciously aware.

It's one big, gigantic loop..because one day we will be so technologically advanced, we too could create a simulation of a universe..flesh and all.

As far as our ego existing goes..yes, it exists, as long as you are alive and not a psychiatric vegetable. Whether our soul leaves our body or stays, i do believe that we are reborn. Where we are reborn or what we are reborn to, i have no clue. But I do know that we won't die and just sleep for eternity in our grave..if we werent reborn into a new entity when we die, then what else could possibly happen?


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: ChristopherABrown]
    #23513574 - 08/05/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes, but it is two way.  Sensation comes back as remembered sensations that have tags on them from phylogenetic DNA then interpreted by the the limbic system.  And there are two ways memory may hold things we never sensed in a waking state.  Genetic memory and information from what are called dreams.




ther is no dna tagging in memory - stop right there.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: sudly]
    #23513577 - 08/05/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think there's sensation in the brain itself no, hence why we can have open brain surgery while awake.
I think the brain processes sensation for the rest of the body but it doesn't have sensation itself.



the sensation that occurs IN THE BRAIN is considered as thought, however, without the signals hitting the brain there is no sensation in the body
and
during surgery of the brain,
if parts related to the body map are touched
it feels like parts of the body are being FUCKED with.
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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23513812 - 08/05/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

rgv, are you saying that memory and experience, or the recorded sensations of an event and the perception of the event, are identical (or at least morphologically the same) processes?  If so I think I agree.  It is always right now.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23513923 - 08/05/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes, but it is two way.  Sensation comes back as remembered sensations that have tags on them from phylogenetic DNA then interpreted by the the limbic system.  And there are two ways memory may hold things we never sensed in a waking state.  Genetic memory and information from what are called dreams.




ther is no dna tagging in memory - stop right there.




Meanings interpreted by the limbic system could be based in phylogenetic memory, DNA responses.  Its unconscious, so no one knows. 

Do not try to say that people do not have feelings about their dreams.  Those feelings come from the limbic system, and since dreams of the unconscious, are in the same place as phylogenetic DNA, there is no saying.  A big maybe.  We do not know enough to say one way or the other.


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    #23513950 - 08/05/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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rgv, are you saying that memory and experience, or the recorded sensations of an event and the perception of the event, are identical (or at least morphologically the same) processes?  If so I think I agree.  It is always right now.




Hence why living in the "here and now" is somewhat of a guru marketing slogan and safety blanket for intellectual and spiritual advancement.
Even those "trapped" inside memories and living in the past are still here and now,
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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23514547 - 08/05/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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rgv, are you saying that memory and experience, or the recorded sensations of an event and the perception of the event, are identical (or at least morphologically the same) processes?  If so I think I agree.  It is always right now.




yes if you mute the inclusion of perception for the basic event.
perception is more dependent on other factors, and follows sensation or recalled sensation; both of which are the activation of the same clusters of cortical neurons.

same as if a brain surgeon stimulated these neurons.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: ChristopherABrown]
    #23514556 - 08/05/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes, but it is two way.  Sensation comes back as remembered sensations that have tags on them from phylogenetic DNA then interpreted by the the limbic system.  And there are two ways memory may hold things we never sensed in a waking state.  Genetic memory and information from what are called dreams.




ther is no dna tagging in memory - stop right there.




Meanings interpreted by the limbic system could be based in phylogenetic memory, DNA responses.  Its unconscious, so no one knows. 

Do not try to say that people do not have feelings about their dreams.  Those feelings come from the limbic system, and since dreams of the unconscious, are in the same place as phylogenetic DNA, there is no saying.  A big maybe.  We do not know enough to say one way or the other.



regurgitation of unfiltered reading by people who are dreaming it up - you could have stopped earlier and seemed more intelligent.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23514606 - 08/05/16 10:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think there's sensation in the brain itself no, hence why we can have open brain surgery while awake.
I think the brain processes sensation for the rest of the body but it doesn't have sensation itself.



the sensation that occurs IN THE BRAIN is considered as thought, however, without the signals hitting the brain there is no sensation in the body
and
during surgery of the brain,
if parts related to the body map are touched
it feels like parts of the body are being FUCKED with.
this is extremely important.




There is epigenetic tagging likely caused by the experiences that form our memories.
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In its modern sense, epigenetics is the term used to describe inheritance by mechanisms other than through the DNA sequence of genes. It can apply to characteristics passed from a cell to its daughter cells in cell division and to traits of a whole organism. It works through chemical tags added to chromosomes that in effect switch genes on or off.




There isn't sensation in the brain, only chemical and electrical information processing so I don't know what you're on about.
When nerves are cut the electrical information they carry cannot reach the brain and therefore cannot be processed and sent back to the point of origin to form sensations.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: sudly]
    #23515092 - 08/06/16 04:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

sudly;

yes the nervous system and the brain do use chemistry to power the electrical signals to and from the brain. No- epigenetics is not part of nerve conduction nor is it part of engendering knowledge from one generation to another in our species (nor is it possible in any species, since cognition is not a function of individual nerves, but of a chorus of nerves activated in conjunction at the same moment with each other)

yes if specific nerves are cut parts of the body like limbs will become inaccessible to the person for sensation or movement.

however if the related parts of the brain are touched during surgery, it will feel like the disconnected parts of the  body have been touched. the experience is documented and known, and the physiognomy map has been made that tells us that particular parts of the brain are always referencing specific parts of the body even if they have since been disconnected, or amputated.

As to your comment above:
the cutting of nerves is as unrelated to brain epigenetics as Donald Trump's claims about Hillary being the Devil. you could have stopped commenting long long ago and still have appeared to have had a few valid ideas in this domain.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23515182 - 08/06/16 06:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Seeing as epigenetics influence how the body reads genes there is merit in saying they can affect nerve conduction and knowledge from one generation to the next through behavioral and physiological changes.

I agree that particular parts of the brain are referencing specific parts of the body but that doesn't mean the brain itself has sensation.

I still don't see any point in your comments.


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    #23515280 - 08/06/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Seeing as epigenetics influence how the body reads genes there is merit in saying they can affect nerve conduction and knowledge from one generation to the next through behavioral and physiological changes.

I agree that particular parts of the brain are referencing specific parts of the body but that doesn't mean the brain itself has sensation.

I still don't see any point in your comments.



let that be for now
I will point at something that seems unrelated but is really way more related than epigenetics.

the retina of the eye converts light patterns into chorused nerve signals.
in physics we call this conversion transduction.

the visual pattern is transduced into nerve generation and that radiates to the visual cortex.
In the cortex a pattern of excited neurons generates fields of electricity that can be picked up by electrical sensors.
basically the transduced light energy at the retina is re-transduced to electrical fields after nerve conduction. Using a high resolution arrangement of electrical detectors on a cat's brain the following experiments (in the video) show this effect:


cats have been subjected to experiments that reveal this very process.

the important issue to understand is that cortical field energy from sensory (visual) events in the cortex are also input to other events in the cortex.

they are picked up as field peaks and transduced (to neural activity) and copied, or moved to other parts of the cortex and are mixed with input from other senses. Thus the cortex picks up field energy - not just chemical synaptic circuitry... this is proven by the experiments in which electric probes to the cerebral cortex stimulate ghost sensations in limbs. similar to the retina picking up light energy, cortex picks up electrical field energy from itself. The cat vision video helps clarify this as well.

The whole cortex, in a manner of speaking, is akin to the retina (not just for light)
but for all transduced sensation.
Moreover (unlike the retina) the cerebral cortex is able to link things that happen together at the same time in such a way that if part of the pattern comes up again, the rest of that original pattern of activity may also unfold (this is the essence of associative memory).

fixing memory is a molecular biological event and genetics will affect how well the linkage system works in a general way.

Anyway, you may not understand this or may not want to understand this, but it is probably the closest you will come in your lifetime to getting a glimpse of how the brain works:
Mental activity is a kind of associating vision which sees itself. (this is akin to sensation i.e. memory is the sense of previous sensation).
The seeds for all mental activity are in sensation including mental activity itself.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23515403 - 08/06/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes, but it is two way.  Sensation comes back as remembered sensations that have tags on them from phylogenetic DNA then interpreted by the the limbic system.  And there are two ways memory may hold things we never sensed in a waking state.  Genetic memory and information from what are called dreams.




ther is no dna tagging in memory - stop right there.




Meanings interpreted by the limbic system could be based in phylogenetic memory, DNA responses.  Its unconscious, so no one knows. 

Do not try to say that people do not have feelings about their dreams.  Those feelings come from the limbic system, and since dreams of the unconscious, are in the same place as phylogenetic DNA, there is no saying.  A big maybe.  We do not know enough to say one way or the other.



regurgitation of unfiltered reading by people who are dreaming it up - you could have stopped earlier and seemed more intelligent.




Which, on your part interprets as, I made my point about the unconscious and limbic reference to memory of sensation and phylogenetic DNA  from dream states.  Most importantly is the exercise of regurgitation pointing out of "maybe", or we do not know everything about the mind leaving a great deal of possibility.


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Re: this is a good time for a cat video [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23516087 - 08/06/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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sudly said:
Seeing as epigenetics influence how the body reads genes there is merit in saying they can affect nerve conduction and knowledge from one generation to the next through behavioral and physiological changes.

I agree that particular parts of the brain are referencing specific parts of the body but that doesn't mean the brain itself has sensation.

I still don't see any point in your comments.



let that be for now
I will point at something that seems unrelated but is really way more related than epigenetics.

the retina of the eye converts light patterns into chorused nerve signals.
in physics we call this conversion transduction.

the visual pattern is transduced into nerve generation and that radiates to the visual cortex.
In the cortex a pattern of excited neurons generates fields of electricity that can be picked up by electrical sensors.
basically the transduced light energy at the retina is re-transduced to electrical fields after nerve conduction. Using a high resolution arrangement of electrical detectors on a cat's brain the following experiments (in the video) show this effect:


cats have been subjected to experiments that reveal this very process.

the important issue to understand is that cortical field energy from sensory (visual) events in the cortex are also input to other events in the cortex.

they are picked up as field peaks and transduced (to neural activity) and copied, or moved to other parts of the cortex and are mixed with input from other senses. Thus the cortex picks up field energy - not just chemical synaptic circuitry... this is proven by the experiments in which electric probes to the cerebral cortex stimulate ghost sensations in limbs. similar to the retina picking up light energy, cortex picks up electrical field energy from itself. The cat vision video helps clarify this as well.

The whole cortex, in a manner of speaking, is akin to the retina (not just for light)
but for all transduced sensation.
Moreover (unlike the retina) the cerebral cortex is able to link things that happen together at the same time in such a way that if part of the pattern comes up again, the rest of that original pattern of activity may also unfold (this is the essence of associative memory).

fixing memory is a molecular biological event and genetics will affect how well the linkage system works in a general way.

Anyway, you may not understand this or may not want to understand this, but it is probably the closest you will come in your lifetime to getting a glimpse of how the brain works:
Mental activity is a kind of associating vision which sees itself. (this is akin to sensation i.e. memory is the sense of previous sensation).
The seeds for all mental activity are in sensation including mental activity itself.




BTW, this is very well stated.  I'll be studying it.  My browser must be way outdated, can't get the video to show up.


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Re: this is a good time for a cat video [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23516513 - 08/06/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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sudly said:
Seeing as epigenetics influence how the body reads genes there is merit in saying they can affect nerve conduction and knowledge from one generation to the next through behavioral and physiological changes.

I agree that particular parts of the brain are referencing specific parts of the body but that doesn't mean the brain itself has sensation.

I still don't see any point in your comments.



let that be for now
I will point at something that seems unrelated but is really way more related than epigenetics.

the retina of the eye converts light patterns into chorused nerve signals.
in physics we call this conversion transduction.

the visual pattern is transduced into nerve generation and that radiates to the visual cortex.
In the cortex a pattern of excited neurons generates fields of electricity that can be picked up by electrical sensors.
basically the transduced light energy at the retina is re-transduced to electrical fields after nerve conduction. Using a high resolution arrangement of electrical detectors on a cat's brain the following experiments (in the video) show this effect:


cats have been subjected to experiments that reveal this very process.

the important issue to understand is that cortical field energy from sensory (visual) events in the cortex are also input to other events in the cortex.

they are picked up as field peaks and transduced (to neural activity) and copied, or moved to other parts of the cortex and are mixed with input from other senses. Thus the cortex picks up field energy - not just chemical synaptic circuitry... this is proven by the experiments in which electric probes to the cerebral cortex stimulate ghost sensations in limbs. similar to the retina picking up light energy, cortex picks up electrical field energy from itself. The cat vision video helps clarify this as well.

The whole cortex, in a manner of speaking, is akin to the retina (not just for light)
but for all transduced sensation.
Moreover (unlike the retina) the cerebral cortex is able to link things that happen together at the same time in such a way that if part of the pattern comes up again, the rest of that original pattern of activity may also unfold (this is the essence of associative memory).

fixing memory is a molecular biological event and genetics will affect how well the linkage system works in a general way.

Anyway, you may not understand this or may not want to understand this, but it is probably the closest you will come in your lifetime to getting a glimpse of how the brain works:
Mental activity is a kind of associating vision which sees itself. (this is akin to sensation i.e. memory is the sense of previous sensation).
The seeds for all mental activity are in sensation including mental activity itself.




Epigenetics weren't unrelated, they were a response to this.
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redgreenvines said: there is no dna tagging in memory




That makes more sense than this.
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redgreenvines said: the sensation that occurs IN THE BRAIN is considered as thought




With no nociceptors in the brain, using the word sensation to describe it seems unfitting. 'Perception' is more fitting seeing as the brain processes sensation into memories but it doesn't experience them.


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Re: this is a good time for a cat video [Re: sudly]
    #23516947 - 08/06/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

you will eventually find that without field receptors in the brain you did not even read this


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23517646 - 08/07/16 02:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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don't waste time trying to figure out what a subconscious is.

the term is too vague and no experts actually can agree.
this does not mean they are still looking at better ways of finding it.

it is a proposed thing based upon medieval hierarchical concepts with god on the top and angels fluttering  throughout.

you have consciousness which hosts body sensation with memory fixation and recall.

everything else in consciousness is a form of sensation or reconstituted memory fragments.

keep it simple s...




Subconscious is your feelings(physical sensations), conscious is your thoughts(memory formation/reconstitution), unconscious is likely the super-ego and cultural judgement. 

In my opinion.

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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: sudly]
    #23517880 - 08/07/16 05:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I could not use "subconscious" that way consistently, but I could use "body" to represent "sensation" up to a point; and I could use "body based memory" to represent "feelings", this would work for nearly every case until laziness takes over.

the way you use "conscious" is good and includes the former (i.e. body, sensation, and feelings) - revealing that "subconscious" is not a valuable distinction to keep in the lexicon unless it begins to mean something much more specific (i.e it could be used to mean the aggregate of all potential associations - and if used this way consistently it would have a use that is not too far from the original invention).

the way you are using "unconscious" is not consistent with "a  man lying unconscious" - important words should not be made to have such a different meaning.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23517912 - 08/07/16 06:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hopefully this better describes my views on the unconscious.

The unconscious mind = super-ego and individually perceived social judgement.
The voice behind thoughts. 
The unconscious mind.

My ideas are based on foundational elements of both Freudian theory and the Triune Brain theory.

I believe there is the conscious mind which is the Ego.
The subconscious mind which is the ID.
And the unconscious mind which is the Super-Ego.

I like to simplify the model down to the ID(feelings), the Ego(thoughts) and the Conscience(sense of right and wrong).


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: sudly]
    #23517931 - 08/07/16 06:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

more simply - those are all thoughts and they will compete equally on the stage of consciousness.

enjoy


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23517939 - 08/07/16 06:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I like to believe in something too. :cookiemonster:


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: sudly]
    #23518022 - 08/07/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

beliefs are important if you have to fill out forms.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #23518483 - 08/07/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Two words: Ego Death. You can't destroy that which doesn't exist, if only temporarily. Yes our ego are real.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: LRG]
    #23521641 - 08/08/16 10:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
more simply - those are all thoughts and they will compete equally on the stage of consciousness.

enjoy



okay, so you never actually explain anything.

all I am reading is how the brain controls body sensation.

well, we already knew that.

what does this have to do with ego?

Are you attempting to debunk the term with your pseudoscientific explanation of how the brain works?

(which doesn't debunk anything?)

its a universally agreed upon (at least in acadamia) concept


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: hTx]
    #23522667 - 08/08/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
more simply - those are all thoughts and they will compete equally on the stage of consciousness.

enjoy



okay, so you never actually explain anything.

all I am reading is how the brain controls body sensation.

well, we already knew that.

what does this have to do with ego?

Are you attempting to debunk the term with your pseudoscientific explanation of how the brain works?

(which doesn't debunk anything?)

its a universally agreed upon (at least in acadamia) concept



I never have managed to make any explanations meaningful to you, but they are not pseudoscientific.

I am not concerned about ego at all, my comments are related to things we experience in our lives. sensation, memory, thought, dreams etc.

on the other hand I have rubbed up against your ego before and expect I will do so again.

I am sure that is something you understand, even if it is not an academic achievement.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: ruaware]
    #23545822 - 08/16/16 12:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i don't think the universe exists like we think it exists.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23545853 - 08/16/16 01:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i agree, we as a human race have just reached our limit as to what we can explore and say its limitless


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: ScuDDii]
    #23545864 - 08/16/16 01:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

so what happens to us when when die ?


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: ScuDDii]
    #23545874 - 08/16/16 01:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

it doesn't matter. if God: either reject and risk further complexity, or accept an risk further complexity. or if nothing: cease. if resurrection: you presumably won't know (unless animals know something we don't...plants...) or it might be some other embodiment. for all we know there can be giant gas clouds fill up a particular part of the universe that just filled with all the dead energy of everything that imparts it, and just fills with the conscious desires of the departed.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: ruaware]
    #23545911 - 08/16/16 02:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I've come to the conclusion that the ego isn't real. Im not actually me. Im just a bunch of wires connected to each other, my brain is just these neurons and its just biology and chemistry. Quite depressing actually...

But i got the idea that we are all the universe. The big bang happened, all this chemistry and physics just exploded. Then biological life formed. It's like we're all the universe, all of us, connected. There is no you, or i. We are the universe experiencing itself.





Something Truthful there is for your statement. Experience of neuron in my brain may vary and I am totally not that neuron alone as sustainable Shroomerite, yet all together we are here, on this forum all of a sudden.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
    #23545954 - 08/16/16 03:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Nope.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: ruaware]
    #23546102 - 08/16/16 06:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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ruaware said:
I've come to the conclusion that the ego isn't real. Im not actually me. Im just a bunch of wires connected to each other, my brain is just these neurons and its just biology and chemistry. Quite depressing actually...

But i got the idea that we are all the universe. The big bang happened, all this chemistry and physics just exploded. Then biological life formed. It's like we're all the universe, all of us, connected. There is no you, or i. We are the universe experiencing itself.




I experience something of that nature all the time, but I choose to see and not believe.  Rather, I marvel at the mystery.  The more I believed, the more I got caught up in the model.  Really having an open heart and a curious mind is all that matters to me.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #23549155 - 08/17/16 07:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have strong beliefs that align with this idea. Ourselves, how we act, react, how we think, everything, is a facade we put on. Our inner "us" is what I believe to be the equivalent of a concentrated spot of energy the energetic mesh of reality. This physical body acts as a sort of conduit, allowing higher concentrations of this energy to flow through and manipulate. This conduit is not us it is simply the best designed vehicle for this version reality. Things like ego are simply a defence mechanism of the physical aspect, to help preserve the body and the connection it holds.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: nuentoter]
    #23550502 - 08/17/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

sounds good to me


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