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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23483319 - 07/27/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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The ego is one of three perspectives a human can experience.
The ID is what you want, the ego is what you need and the super-ego is what you think you should have.





That's not really what the theory suggests. Your ID description seems in the right area but 'What you think you should have', in particular pertains to ID.

The theory proposes that the ID is the selfish 'automatic' self which fulfils basic need for survival, the superego is the higher moralistic self and the ego is the mediator which culminates an image to project to the world based upon decided quantities of superego and ID combined.

Freud basically only introduced a warm into a 'hot and cold'. It can be applied to any dualism and wasn't particularly revolutionary, regardless of how it perpetuated into some sort of psychological standard, but I'd save him from being pushed off a cliff.




The super ego is judgement, guilt and what tells us it's a 'sin', if it's good or bad, our sense of morality. The way I see it, our own super-ego's are a part of what creates our personalities and that's what you think is right.

And yes the ego mediates the ID and the Super-Ego by distinguishing between what you want and what you think you need.

The idea is a conglomeration of Freudian Theory and Paul D.Macleans Theory of a Triune Brain.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: sudly]
    #23483411 - 07/27/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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sudly said:
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Duncan Rowhl said:
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sudly said:
The ego is one of three perspectives a human can experience.
The ID is what you want, the ego is what you need and the super-ego is what you think you should have.





That's not really what the theory suggests. Your ID description seems in the right area but 'What you think you should have', in particular pertains to ID.

The theory proposes that the ID is the selfish 'automatic' self which fulfils basic need for survival, the superego is the higher moralistic self and the ego is the mediator which culminates an image to project to the world based upon decided quantities of superego and ID combined.

Freud basically only introduced a warm into a 'hot and cold'. It can be applied to any dualism and wasn't particularly revolutionary, regardless of how it perpetuated into some sort of psychological standard, but I'd save him from being pushed off a cliff.




The super ego is judgement, guilt and what tells us it's a 'sin', if it's good or bad, our sense of morality. The way I see it, our own super-ego's are a part of what creates our personalities and that's what you think is right.

And yes the ego mediates the ID and the Super-Ego by distinguishing between what you want and what you think you need.

The idea is a conglomeration of Freudian Theory and Paul D.Macleans Theory of a Triune Brain.




Your correction is correct, yep. The superego is about what you think is right. It's not what you think you should have as originally stated.

I'm confused by what you've said in relation to what the ego mediates though, since you've changed it again to something that's incorrect, after you've just stated the correct term. :smile:

We'd conclude...

The ego is mediator between what you want (ID) and what you think is right (superego).


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: Eclipse3130] * 1
    #23483421 - 07/27/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Of course we are all the universe..

How could we not be?
Most elements beyond hydrogen were forged in the furnace of a star; (every atom in your body).

The Supernova of billions (trillions?) of stars throughout the universes alleged beginning (big bang) transmit the  elements in every direction.

Somehow, these elements grow in complexity of arrangement and order (gravity?) leading to planets, life, us.

Somehow this evolution in the complexity of order developed awareness, reflecting on itself .
It developed will, a previously unseen force in the universe before life.
It developed completely abstract complexities such as intelligence, knowledge, technology, culture.

And it's only becoming more complex as time progresses.
You are apart of it.
Your happening with it co-creating reality, even if you may not realize it.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23483475 - 07/27/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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sudly said:
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Duncan Rowhl said:
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sudly said:
The ego is one of three perspectives a human can experience.
The ID is what you want, the ego is what you need and the super-ego is what you think you should have.





That's not really what the theory suggests. Your ID description seems in the right area but 'What you think you should have', in particular pertains to ID.

The theory proposes that the ID is the selfish 'automatic' self which fulfils basic need for survival, the superego is the higher moralistic self and the ego is the mediator which culminates an image to project to the world based upon decided quantities of superego and ID combined.

Freud basically only introduced a warm into a 'hot and cold'. It can be applied to any dualism and wasn't particularly revolutionary, regardless of how it perpetuated into some sort of psychological standard, but I'd save him from being pushed off a cliff.




The super ego is judgement, guilt and what tells us it's a 'sin', if it's good or bad, our sense of morality. The way I see it, our own super-ego's are a part of what creates our personalities and that's what you think is right.

And yes the ego mediates the ID and the Super-Ego by distinguishing between what you want and what you think you need.

The idea is a conglomeration of Freudian Theory and Paul D.Macleans Theory of a Triune Brain.




Your correction is correct, yep. The superego is about what you think is right. It's not what you think you should have as originally stated.

I'm confused by what you've said in relation to what the ego mediates though, since you've changed it again to something that's incorrect, after you've just stated the correct term. :smile:

We'd conclude...

The ego is mediator between what you want (ID) and what you think is right (superego).




What you think is right is what you think you need and what you think you need is what you think you should have.

E.g. Your Super-Ego judges how much cake you think you should eat, your ID decides how much cake you want and the Ego makes a choice between the ID and the Super-Ego.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: sudly]
    #23483558 - 07/27/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Alas! You should have shared this cake earlier! :grin:


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23483620 - 07/27/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Tis only my undertanding. :hatsoff:


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23483705 - 07/27/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

At the base of my beliefs I think sentience is control of electromagnetic action in the Central Nervous System.


And of course I agree that the human body is made up of star dust seeing as the atoms that make it up were forged from stars that went supernova and spread their dust into space.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: sudly] * 2
    #23484253 - 07/28/16 12:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

when you are really stoned, you can experience things and your reflex reactions will not kick in.

the aggregate of all those reactions is the ego.

it exists as your potential set of reactions, but in some states of mind it may not kick in and you will be "as a child" in wonder.

you can transcend the grip of your ego by concerted practice, but this also is how ego is built, by learning and repetition. Meditation is part of ego.

Ego sculpting is part of buddhist and other meditation training, but ego denial is something that stoners dream of, since it collides with experiences of cosmic consciousness and some interpretations (stoned ones) of ancient wisdom.

Ego suppression during deeply absorptive meditation states (without psychedelics) also accompanies cosmic consciousness, or satori like experiences. (with the same glorious feeling of being as a child in wonder)

Those satori like experiences are usually the domain of "enlightened" persons, but when those persons are back in their skins and walking around their ego's are fully functioning. They do not normally walk around without ego engaged, walking is very complicated. they do practice to have more socially lovely egos, which is admirable but also the satori states inspire child like clarity and simple behavior.

Then again, during cosmic consciousness experiences it is very rare for stoned people to walk around as well. The afterglow of ego loss or of cosmic consciousness is wonderful, but it is potentially deceptive - equally so if you get there by meditation or by drugs.

Ego is the current sum total of a person's reaction set (all the attitudes and mini programs up to now)

The illustration of ego as a part of a triangle taking up a space between superego (morality) and id (all personal experiences and memory) is no longer a realistic view. Ego is more functional than that, it is not something that can be surgically removed nor can it be chemically suppressed in a dependable way. Even with psychedelic you have to be lucky to have an experience that is 'ego free' and deliriously wonderful at the same time.

Both morality and memory are evidence of the same cognitive apparatus as your portfolio of attitudes and reactions (ego).


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: sudly]
    #23486772 - 07/28/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I think the ego is real and it's part of a Triune modeled brain.
The ego is one of three perspectives a human can experience.
The ID is what you want, the ego is what you need and the super-ego is what you think you should have.





I'm familiar with those diagrams and depiction of the reptilian, the mammalian and the human.  They are not wrong, but the interconnectedness is not represented.  And a very important aspect, the corpus calosum.

Needs are recognized by the Id as physical, and the Ego works to see them met with cognitive processes.  One of the Ego's greatest tasks is to obviate the wants and desires of the Id into socially acceptable forms for gratification.  My signature addresses this,

The ego is real, and comprehensively it is that 14% which is termed the cognitive capacity.  It is primarily left brain, but the left brain dynamically uses all other parts, except for the hypothalamus, the reptilian mind.  The hypothalamus ends up using the cognitive, mostly, for the attainment of needs and desires.

And there is the pineal, which is connected to all of the bodies nerves.  The pineal was termed by Descarte to be the "seat of the soul".  It is very likely that our sense of the universe comes from the pineal.  While the corpus colosseum provides massive high speed interconnectedness between all of it, with the Limbic system making coherent feelings originating in the hypothalamus, with the influence of the pineal, that our body responds to without thought.

Colin Wilson, the science fiction author compiled some medical facts that medicine, for some reason, failed to do.  His compilation is called, "Our Two Brains".

http://truthasaur.tripod.com/twominds1.html

But Wilson does not state a profound, possible inference from his compilation.  It is hard to believe he did not make the inference.

The inference is, that when speaking or listening to speech, the left, cognitive mind is always involved, but reading or writing might be done without the cognitive minds use.

The implications of this related to the government promotion of the internet is something that should be recognized.  Prior to the internet, one of the most popular social mediums was the CB radio.  Now, few people use it.  On the internet, conspiracy theories abound, but accountability is scarce.  CB radio made accountability more vital, and conspiracies were not much discussed unless context was provided by other social sources of information.  Perhaps for the same social reasons they are maligned and marginalized unaccountably on the internet today.

Psychology and medicine agree that our conscious, cognitive existence, is no more than 14% of our total mental capacity utilized at any given moment.  This diagram creates some proportion to the conscious/unconscious relationship.



And the potential for sleep state involvement with the universe(?)/unconscious is made graphic.  Most importantly the concept of time is somewhat neutralized, as in the unconscious, they could slip back and forth in time, and because it is all unconscious, the knowledge of that would not exist.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: ChristopherABrown] * 1
    #23486924 - 07/28/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Psychology and medicine agree that our conscious, cognitive existence, is no more than 14% of our total mental capacity utilized at any given moment. 




I don't think that Psychology and Medicine are entities that have had occasion to agree or endorse this notion.

The whole brain is engaged in all activity.
the state of mind could be correlated with how intensely areas are being activated in a sustained or resonant way, but the whole brain is generally active only to the extent that issues are collected and reflected or correlated.

full on is whiteout.
even more than 12 % means that the sensations and memories are being burned beyond their associated fixed positions.

for any detail to resolve in mind, there has to be contrast, like figure and ground, and with that it could seem that some voltage is kept lower (ground) while some is kept higher (figure).

the concept you are promoting re using more of the brain has been debunked as fake science.

To use the brain better, however is all about finding things that are worth repeating (moral judgements) and practicing them (a kind of meditation ) to establish good habits.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: ChristopherABrown]
    #23491790 - 07/30/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Psychology and medicine agree that our conscious, cognitive existence, is no more than 14% of our total mental capacity utilized at any given moment.  This diagram creates some proportion to the conscious/unconscious relationship.



And the potential for sleep state involvement with the universe(?)/unconscious is made graphic.  Most importantly the concept of time is somewhat neutralized, as in the unconscious, they could slip back and forth in time, and because it is all unconscious, the knowledge of that would not exist.




Isn't being able to 'slip back and forth' in time simply the distinction between recalling memories or being present and in the moment.  :strokebeard:


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: sudly]
    #23492329 - 07/30/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Isn't being able to 'slip back and forth' in time simply the distinction between recalling memories or being present and in the moment.  :strokebeard:



more or less but the resolution can vary a lot:
i.e. 1) while being in the moment you could also be in the past a few seconds ago and distracted by that ---> this will produce deja vu when you snap out of distraction.
and  2) while reliving a reconstruction of the past (daydreaming) the present 'moment' is actually full of this reconstruction (enhanced by memory of course)


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23492379 - 07/30/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Psychology and medicine agree that our conscious, cognitive existence, is no more than 14% of our total mental capacity utilized at any given moment. 



I don't think that Psychology and Medicine are entities that have had occasion to agree or endorse this notion.
The whole brain is engaged in all activity.
the state of mind could be correlated with how intensely areas are being activated in a sustained or resonant way, but the whole brain is generally active only to the extent that issues are collected and reflected or correlated.
full on is whiteout.
even more than 12 % means that the sensations and memories are being burned beyond their associated fixed positions.
for any detail to resolve in mind, there has to be contrast, like figure and ground, and with that it could seem that some voltage is kept lower (ground) while some is kept higher (figure).
the concept you are promoting re using more of the brain has been debunked as fake science.
To use the brain better, however is all about finding things that are worth repeating (moral judgements) and practicing them (a kind of meditation ) to establish good habits.



"the concept you are promoting re using more of the brain has been debunked as fake science."

Can you show where I promote that?  Seems your statement is not complete, or fully coherent.

"I don't think that Psychology and Medicine are entities that have had occasion to agree or endorse this notion."

http://1bodyweighttraining.com/unconscious-mind/
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Even when we think we are conscious it is our unconscious mind which is actually making our decisions for us.
Our unconscious mind is running on automatic pilot mode 95% of the time!
Neuroscientists have shown the conscious mind works at best 5% of the time.
That means 5% or less of our decision making cognitive (conscious) activity is active during the day.
And 5% is for the more aware people, so many people operate at 1% consciousness.
Dr Lipton says unconscious minds operate at 40 million bits of data per second.




"The whole brain is engaged in all activity."

Since the 1960's psychology and medicine have agreed that no more than 14% of the total mental capacity is ever used in a waking state. However, unknown to the conscious mind with any activity are perhaps millions of unconscious activities>  The above quote reduces that estimate.  It is a dynamic relationship.  The conscious mind uses whatever part of the unconscious will work best for the given task when a persons conscious mind is harmonious and aligned with the unconscious.
I recently define "subconscious" as that part which is not conscious, but are currently unconscious features in use by the conscious.  That is consistent with what I cite of Dr. Liptons work.

http://omtimes.com/2015/04/bruce-lipton-secret-conscious-subconscious-mind/
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The subconscious is the equivalent of the habit mind. It’s purely stimulus – response. You push a button and you create a behaviour, no thinking involved. You walk outside for example and it’s cold. The body will sense the temperature, the subconscious mind will adjust the temperature of the interior of the body, heating it up, to keep it on a working temperature. Or, if you step outside and it’s warm, the body will read the warm temperature and then start to cool the body down using perspiration to keep the same body temperature. You don’t have any thoughts about this, this all happens automatically. A change in temperature causes the biology to automatically adjust. 95% of our life, including our behaviour, is from that mind.




http://1bodyweighttraining.com/unconscious-mind/
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It’s now a proven fact the unconscious mind is running your life…
Will you embrace this new perspective by cutting edge molecular biologists?
Foremost is professor of medicine at Stanford University…Dr Bruce Lipton.
Dr Lipton says the new science of epigenetics has shown our genes are in fact controlled and manipulated by how our minds perceive and interpret our environment.
It was believed by science our genes dictated our traits and our genes form who we are.




http://www.mindbodysoulfitness.com.au/_blog/What's_New/post/is-your-unconscious-mind-running-your-life-part-1/

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Dr. Lipton explains that there are two separate minds that create what he calls the body's controlling voice.  There is a conscious mind that can think freely and create new ideas 'out of the box'.  Then there is basically a super computer loaded with a database of programmed behaviours, most of which we acquired before we reached the age of six. The subconscious mind cannot move outside its fixed programs - it automatically reacts to situations with its previously stored behaviour responses.




"To use the brain better, however is all about finding things that are worth repeating (moral judgements) and practicing them (a kind of meditation ) to establish good habits."

Did you mean "mediation"?
Moral judgments are largely societal in their origins, where a group is exercising their unconscious patterning and agreeing, unconsiously perhaps, and then the agreements are learned by the conscious minds of individuals as standards to be exercised in society for control of the self and judgement of others.

Moral judgements may be restrictive of what the unconscious finds "worth repeating", but if its worth repeating, the unconscious will assign the experience to long term memory.


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People that do not want what they need, have a problem.

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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: sudly]
    #23492433 - 07/30/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Psychology and medicine agree that our conscious, cognitive existence, is no more than 14% of our total mental capacity utilized at any given moment.  This diagram creates some proportion to the conscious/unconscious relationship.



And the potential for sleep state involvement with the universe(?)/unconscious is made graphic.  Most importantly the concept of time is somewhat neutralized, as in the unconscious, they could slip back and forth in time, and because it is all unconscious, the knowledge of that would not exist.




Isn't being able to 'slip back and forth' in time simply the distinction between recalling memories or being present and in the moment.  :strokebeard:




Yes, in a way, that is true, but with perception of reality rather than the experience of it.  There is a concept which I've originated, documented in the graphic below, which is 3rd in the series, the 1st is above, that describes a "resolute barrier".  This defines that which we cannot know.  So perceptions could record an event that your unconscious will not allow you to consciously know at the moment or from memory. 


(I resized that image,  http://algoxy.com/psych/psyimages/onedayofyourlife.s3.jpg ;  but the forum seems to only use the original size and the hyperlink created has a 20% etc appended, so you'll have to copy and past it to see it as it is on my server.  )

But time advances, and as living organisms we experience it, but our minds as they record it may or may not be able to know it with memory or at the moment!  The resolute barrier is a socially defined thing for the most part.  Or, what will cause rejection, a painful thing, may invoke denial of conscious perception by the resolute barrier.


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You always want what you need, but do not always need what you want.

People that do not want what they need, have a problem.

Can we stop doing all of the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: ChristopherABrown]
    #23492504 - 07/30/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

did you just use a body weight training blog as your primary scientific authority? your second authority showing that science and medicine are in agreement is a lightweight pop interview from OMTimes, which might hold weight in the Spirituality & Mysticism forum.

you should just study basic science and work from there if you want to argue, or maybe go to a bar, the fights are better there.

education is meaningless once the fighting sets in.

what comes through the mass media is not science, it's pop culture,


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: ruaware]
    #23492949 - 07/30/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I've come to the conclusion that the ego isn't real. Im not actually me. Im just a bunch of wires connected to each other, my brain is just these neurons and its just biology and chemistry. Quite depressing actually...

But i got the idea that we are all the universe. The big bang happened, all this chemistry and physics just exploded. Then biological life formed. It's like we're all the universe, all of us, connected. There is no you, or i. We're are the universe experiencing itself.




what you've posted isn't overly mystic so I tend to agree, but when examining the various "parts" I think we tend to separate them me/not me when it might be just as good or better to simply recognize the differences in various aspects of existence.

For instance, the ego is "real" in the phenomenal sense that we are having thoughts and acting through mechanisms that are to some degree deterministic and not based in consciousness. Expressions of ego and "abiding in consciousness" are different processes. In a sense we are none of those things ("we" being an idea) and we are all of those things.

Also, it may be useful to take the point of view that in some ways we are "the universe" and in some ways we are not. It can all be broken down until it's just smoke, but that is only so helpful in a practical sense. In this sense, supposing that the ultimate goal is the eradication of confusion, one must accept some level of confusion in order to deal with the various ideas of existence without exclusion or a level of polarity that is detrimental to that goal.


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: ruaware]
    #23493793 - 07/30/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I've come to the conclusion that the ego isn't real. Im not actually me. Im just a bunch of wires connected to each other, my brain is just these neurons and its just biology and chemistry. .... We're are the universe experiencing itself.




the zen masters used to slap folks who spouted this shit

nowadays guys like Wayne Dyer and Depak Chopra make millions spouting it

the question we face is how we deal with the stuff we don't want to deal with

in the face of that, it would seem, often clever insights don't really give one a leg up


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: ChristopherABrown]
    #23494082 - 07/30/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Isn't being able to 'slip back and forth' in time simply the distinction between recalling memories or being present and in the moment.  :strokebeard:




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ChristopherABrown said:
Yes, in a way, that is true, but with perception of reality rather than the experience of it.  There is a concept which I've originated, documented in the graphic below, which is 3rd in the series, the 1st is above, that describes a "resolute barrier".  This defines that which we cannot know.  So perceptions could record an event that your unconscious will not allow you to consciously know at the moment or from memory. 


(I resized that image,  http://algoxy.com/psych/psyimages/onedayofyourlife.s3.jpg ;  but the forum seems to only use the original size and the hyperlink created has a 20% etc appended, so you'll have to copy and past it to see it as it is on my server. )

But time advances, and as living organisms we experience it, but our minds as they record it may or may not be able to know it with memory or at the moment!  The resolute barrier is a socially defined thing for the most part.  Or, what will cause rejection, a painful thing, may invoke denial of conscious perception by the resolute barrier.




Again, isn't our perception of something also our experience of it? Seeing as we can change our focus/awareness between explicit and implicit perceptions.

I think the 'unconscious' is simply our instinct, intuition and feelings, the part of our brain governed by the reptilian complex and the sympathetic nervous system (fight or flight response).



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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: sudly]
    #23494902 - 07/31/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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sudly said:
Again, isn't our perception of something also our experience of it? Seeing as we can change our focus/awareness between explicit and implicit perceptions.

I think the 'unconscious' is simply our instinct, intuition and feelings, the part of our brain governed by the reptilian complex and the sympathetic nervous system (fight or flight response).





Yes, I must agree.  But, since the motivation to change focus, which is either implicit or explicitly driven, the feedback controlling the resolute barrier may or may not be subject to explicit control,  the graphic depicts that.

This depends on the subject matter and unconscious, processing of it.  If this were not true, dissociation would not exist.

It was that very factor that led me to develop the concept of the resolute barrier.

I've separated focus from awareness.  Unconscious awareness is an implicit response.  Explicit focus is dependent upon how the impulse to implicit response is enacted according to initial, prime associations of instinct either conditioned or unconditioned.


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You always want what you need, but do not always need what you want.

People that do not want what they need, have a problem.

Can we stop doing all of the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?


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Re: Does anyone else think our ego doesn't exist and we're all the universe [Re: ChristopherABrown]
    #23495012 - 07/31/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

don't waste time trying to figure out what a subconscious is.

the term is too vague and no experts actually can agree.
this does not mean they are still looking at better ways of finding it.

it is a proposed thing based upon medieval hierarchical concepts with god on the top and angels fluttering  throughout.

you have consciousness which hosts body sensation with memory fixation and recall.

everything else in consciousness is a form of sensation or reconstituted memory fragments.

keep it simple s...


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