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Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? * 2
    #23481005 - 07/27/16 01:21 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Seriously, most wars are for imperialism.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: shellzenone] * 1
    #23481013 - 07/27/16 01:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

freedom? nope a paycheck.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: rackem] * 1
    #23481019 - 07/27/16 01:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Why are people so touchy about this obvious truth?


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: shellzenone] * 1
    #23481021 - 07/27/16 01:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You tell us.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: shellzenone] * 4
    #23481025 - 07/27/16 01:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

if you are going to die by some crazed lunatic may as well tell yourself you are doing it for a honorable reason.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: shellzenone] * 1
    #23481113 - 07/27/16 02:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Just another person fighting for an idea (country) maybe we would be better without nations and then there would be no war.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: tdubz]
    #23481115 - 07/27/16 02:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

there will always be some sort of war man.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: rackem] * 4
    #23481148 - 07/27/16 03:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I think most people who are super touchy about this subject have friends or loved one in the military.

Some of them may have even known people who died in Vietnam or the Middle East.

If somebody you loved died in one of those wars, you would probably want to believe they died for
something meaningful, even if it is clear that they did not.

Personally, I would not suggest arguing about whether or not US soldiers are fighting for freedom with this crowd.
Facts are meaningless, they just want to cling to the belief that their loved one who served was involved in something honorable.

I think the other group of people that tends to be touchy about this is the "my grandpa fought in WWII" crowd.

This group of people seems to believe that because the US helped defeat the Nazis in WWII over 70 years ago,
the US Military can do no wrong. I find these types of people the most humorous and trollable.

Like, dude...everyone's Grandpa fought in WWII. I know both of mine did...that is completely irrelevant to the
situation in the modern world.

A lot has gone down since then. Haha. Vietnam and all the massacres like Mai Lai, the disastrous wars in the
Middle East which have only made things worse, etc. None of these atrocities matter to this group, because their
grandpa fought in a war 70 years ago, therefore the US is a perfect country that is incapable of military miscalculations.

That's my analysis, anyways. :lol::smugjerry:


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: FlyOnTheWall] * 1
    #23481157 - 07/27/16 03:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i think you hit the nail right on the head.

all the wars prior to vietnam were different. once we introduced reporters/politicians into war, it has become a cluster fuck.

war is no longer about doing the right things. its about political chess, cash grabs and ratings.  its bullshit.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: rackem] * 2
    #23481165 - 07/27/16 03:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

US soldiers fight for pokemon and gym badges


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #23481189 - 07/27/16 03:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

"most".


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: rackem]
    #23481243 - 07/27/16 04:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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rackem said:
freedom? nope a paycheck.




would they be fighting for freedom if they were not collecting a paycheck?


I guess since you dont actually know that answer I'll drop a hint


yes, they do fight for freedom, it isnt yours or mine, it isnt theirs either, in
Afghanistan they fought for the freedoms of the people there when the taliban was
ousted, they fought for the freedom of many of the people of Iraq. yes, we've been
told a dozen reasons why these wars were fought and none involve freedom but they
absolutely were fighting for the freedom of those that were oppressed by their
governments. sure these failed wars did not result in those people being free due
to bad policies by various leaders both here and there but the propaganda isnt
just propaganda, it is a fact whether you choose to believe it or not


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 2
    #23481245 - 07/27/16 04:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

is that really the decision of the us to make the decision if those people wanted freedom to begin with?


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: rackem] * 1
    #23481266 - 07/27/16 04:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Do you really need to ask this question?
Anybody without permanent brain damage, who uses more than 5 minutes to look at the conflicts that U.S. is involved would not believe he/she is fighting foor good cause.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 1
    #23481272 - 07/27/16 05:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

thats pretty much what i am saying.

'freedom' may be the mission but money is the motivation.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: rackem]
    #23481288 - 07/27/16 05:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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is that really the decision of the us to make the decision if those people wanted freedom to begin with?






iot diesnt matter if we made the decision or not, it was done


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23481290 - 07/27/16 05:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

it was attempted, i dont know if i would consider it done.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 2
    #23481332 - 07/27/16 05:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know the last time we fought for freedom since WWII. My brother was drafted to Viet Nam. When he came back he said if you go there, I'll kill you. Korea was controversial, Viet Nam was super controversial. Then we had a couple stupid wars like Regan invading Grenada, who had an army around 1000 soldiers, because that let Reagan say we won one, if you want call that a war. The first Gulf War had a reason to invade, but the end game pretty fucked up.
    After 9/11 we became very patriotic. We had to do something to Afghanistan, so that was popular, and we were winning that war (but ask the Soviets, it's hard to win a war in the Afghan mountains). Then W for reasons only known to him, Cheney and Rove we decided to invade Iraq at the same time. Yes Hussain did some evil things but that was 20 years earlier. We had patriotic recruits to go to Iraq, but dividing our resources, resulting in starting to lose the Afghan war. And then W and his guy killed Hussein and it was a big rah rah moment, except despite the guy being an evil prick, he kept order of several diverse groups, and since his death the whole region has been a shitstorm, ISIS and every other thing. And our big Arab Allies, Saudi Arabia is as evil as ISIS.
    IDK, we got brave soldiers, but I don't think we ever fought for our freedom since WWII.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23481407 - 07/27/16 07:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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rackem said:
freedom? nope a paycheck.




would they be fighting for freedom if they were not collecting a paycheck?


I guess since you dont actually know that answer I'll drop a hint


yes, they do fight for freedom, it isnt yours or mine, it isnt theirs either, in
Afghanistan they fought for the freedoms of the people there when the taliban was
ousted, they fought for the freedom of many of the people of Iraq. yes, we've been
told a dozen reasons why these wars were fought and none involve freedom but they
absolutely were fighting for the freedom of those that were oppressed by their
governments. sure these failed wars did not result in those people being free due
to bad policies by various leaders both here and there but the propaganda isnt
just propaganda, it is a fact whether you choose to believe it or not






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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: shellzenone] * 3
    #23481419 - 07/27/16 07:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

A soldier's oath is to protect "THE CONSTITUTION" not the freedoms of other nations.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Sanguin3] * 3
    #23481530 - 07/27/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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It doesn't matter what motives the U.S government has, if we had no military we would be destroyed. So yes I believe some do fight for freedom, albeit with a lot of other motives.

To say there is no good cause we fight for is a slap in the face to countless men and women who have died to make sure you can sit at home on your laptop and not have to fight off our invaders.




Protecting the homeland and the freedoms of US citizens is completely different than going to Iraq and dying in a foreign land 5000 miles away from your native country.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: qman] * 2
    #23481600 - 07/27/16 08:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe the politicians and even the Generals and Majors use "freedom" as the impetus for fighting in a war.....but ask any common infantryman, and he will tell you that they are simply fighting for each other...their brothers in arms.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: rackem]
    #23481703 - 07/27/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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thats pretty much what i am saying.

'freedom' may be the mission but money is the motivation.





who's money? do you think we got money from Iraq or Afghanistan?


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: rackem]
    #23481707 - 07/27/16 09:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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it was attempted, i dont know if i would consider it done.





what was done was troops went and fought. I didnt say won and I didnt say it for a specific reason


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: shellzenone] * 1
    #23481732 - 07/27/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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A soldier's oath is to protect "THE CONSTITUTION" not the freedoms of other nations.





it's to support and defend the constitution

the enlisted oath also required them to obey the orders of the president and the
officers appointed over them. that means, if the president says go to Iraq and wage
war, that's what they have to do


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: shellzenone]
    #23481833 - 07/27/16 10:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Why are people so touchy about this obvious truth?




Because people are insecure and the truth hurts.
Also, because it's kind of a gray are and there's not an easy answer.
...but mostly the first thing.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23481882 - 07/27/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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shellzenone said:
A soldier's oath is to protect "THE CONSTITUTION" not the freedoms of other nations.





it's to support and defend the constitution

the enlisted oath also required them to obey the orders of the president and the
officers appointed over them. that means, if the president says go to Iraq and wage
war, that's what they have to do




The Founding Fathers warned about the dangers of engaging in wars all over the world, I'm sure they already turned over in their graves many times.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: qman]
    #23482084 - 07/27/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

They fought for their freedom in 1700 something.

They fought for Europe's freedom in 1941

Ever since then, they've been fighting because letting the equipment rust would look bad. So they use the army to "free" countries by bringing "democracy" to countries who never showed interest in democracy the way the US sees it. It's totally not about the oil though.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Patlal]
    #23482248 - 07/27/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, the Korean War, Afghanistan, and Vietnam war were "all about the oil" :facepalm3:


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    #23482257 - 07/27/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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rackem said:
freedom? nope a paycheck.




would they be fighting for freedom if they were not collecting a paycheck?


I guess since you dont actually know that answer I'll drop a hint


yes, they do fight for freedom, it isnt yours or mine, it isnt theirs either, in
Afghanistan they fought for the freedoms of the people there when the taliban was
ousted, they fought for the freedom of many of the people of Iraq. yes, we've been
told a dozen reasons why these wars were fought and none involve freedom but they
absolutely were fighting for the freedom of those that were oppressed by their
governments. sure these failed wars did not result in those people being free due
to bad policies by various leaders both here and there but the propaganda isnt
just propaganda, it is a fact whether you choose to believe it or not




No, the American empire needed someone to thrash immediately after 9/11. They choose afghanistan because doing so would cripple Pakistan. Iraq was purely for oil. Mercenaries outnumbered actual army personnel in both those wars. They werent out for the peasants in either of those countries. 


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23482295 - 07/27/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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thats pretty much what i am saying.

'freedom' may be the mission but money is the motivation.





who's money? do you think we got money from Iraq or Afghanistan?





Heroin, oil, natural resources.

I do not know what people fight for, I assume pride.  Nobody fights for ego loss.


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    #23482349 - 07/27/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This thread now belongs in the conspiracy forum :/


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23482365 - 07/27/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The US soldiers and UK soldiers fight for, and to protect - corporate interests.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23482371 - 07/27/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Because it doesnt align with your rosey coloured vision of the US armed forces? I forget his screenname but there was a poster here who experienced first hand the brutality of the armed forces. His squad was completely made up of ex-cons and hardened criminals. He recalled distinctly how their commanding officer would tell them to open up on unarmed civilians regularly. They would initiate raids in the dead of night where they humiliated and killed families in their own home. Even getting back to their home soil, they mimed this behaviour by setting up ambushes and surrounding homes, luckily thats as far thge went. Theres scores of accounts of behaviours like these being exhibited by the US forces. They definitely werent there to free anyone.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23482420 - 07/27/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Because it doesnt align with your rosey coloured vision of the US armed forces? I forget his screenname but there was a poster here who experienced first hand the brutality of the armed forces. His squad was completely made up of ex-cons and hardened criminals. He recalled distinctly how their commanding officer would tell them to open up on unarmed civilians regularly. They would initiate raids in the dead of night where they humiliated and killed families in their own home. Even getting back to their home soil, they mimed this behaviour by setting up ambushes and surrounding homes, luckily thats as far thge went. Theres scores of accounts of behaviours like these being exhibited by the US forces. They definitely werent there to free anyone.




Vietnam?

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    #23482440 - 07/27/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It was in Iraq or Afghanistan, one of the earlier invasions.


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    #23482525 - 07/27/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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It was in Iraq or Afghanistan, one of the earlier invasions.




How did felons get enlisted?  Was it some sort of plausibly deniable paramilitary fringe unit?


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    #23482588 - 07/27/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Wouldnt surprise me. They were already actively drawing on alternative sources of manpower with the mercenary groups (which is its own major violation of the political system) I doubt felons were off limits. Their use was probably limited but according to one of our very own he was in a unit comprised of them.

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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23482602 - 07/27/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

IF paycheck is freedom, then yes.


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    #23482691 - 07/27/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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It was in Iraq or Afghanistan, one of the earlier invasions.




How did felons get enlisted?  Was it some sort of plausibly deniable paramilitary fringe unit?



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It was in Iraq or Afghanistan, one of the earlier invasions.




How did felons get enlisted?  Was it some sort of plausibly deniable paramilitary fringe unit?




Felons can be pardoned by the government if they join the service. I think only the Army does it now.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: shellzenone]
    #23482709 - 07/27/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Seriously, most wars are for imperialism.




soldiers fight for money, the state has them fight for imperialism. The dumbfucks back home are the only one's buying that freedom rap.


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    #23482778 - 07/27/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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They fought for their freedom in 1700 something.

They fought for Europe's freedom in 1941

Ever since then, they've been fighting because letting the equipment rust would look bad. So they use the army to "free" countries by bringing "democracy" to countries who never showed interest in democracy the way the US sees it. It's totally not about the oil though.






you canadians need to shut the F up before you give you a little taste of democracy


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    #23482783 - 07/27/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Pris I really think you need to stop being such a :feelsbadman: and start being more of a :feelsjohngoodman:

Its really bad for your health to constantly be such a :feelsbadman: type of dude.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23482797 - 07/27/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Because it doesnt align with your rosey coloured vision of the US armed forces? I forget his screenname but there was a poster here who experienced first hand the brutality of the armed forces. His squad was completely made up of ex-cons and hardened criminals. He recalled distinctly how their commanding officer would tell them to open up on unarmed civilians regularly. They would initiate raids in the dead of night where they humiliated and killed families in their own home. Even getting back to their home soil, they mimed this behaviour by setting up ambushes and surrounding homes, luckily thats as far thge went. Theres scores of accounts of behaviours like these being exhibited by the US forces. They definitely werent there to free anyone.




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No, the American empire needed someone to thrash immediately after 9/11. They choose afghanistan because doing so would cripple Pakistan. Iraq was purely for oil. Mercenaries outnumbered actual army personnel in both those wars. They werent out for the peasants in either of those countries. 




do you make this shit up or do you read it off conspiracy sites?


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    #23482802 - 07/27/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Pris I really think you need to stop being such a :feelsbadman: and start being more of a :feelsjohngoodman:

Its really bad for your health to constantly be such a :feelsbadman: type of dude.





cant you take a :feelsjokeman:?


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    #23482823 - 07/27/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Threatening to pull yer shiny guns out and waddle north of your border isnt much of a threat. Actually its hilarious.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23482890 - 07/27/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

you'd be apologizing for making us walk so far


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    #23482899 - 07/27/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You'd better bring beer, I'd hate for you to show up to the party emptyhanded. Its quite the faux pa here.


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    #23482921 - 07/27/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ok guys, now that I have your attention, would you agree that police are not really here to 'serve and protect' rather to make a paycheck? With this whole violence against cops, everyone wants to side with cops like if police getting killed in the line of duty was a new thing.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23482945 - 07/27/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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You'd better bring beer, I'd hate for you to show up to the party emptyhanded. Its quite the faux pa here.






america invented beer!


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    #23482949 - 07/27/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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It doesn't matter what motives the U.S government has, if we had no military we would be destroyed. So yes I believe some do fight for freedom, albeit with a lot of other motives.

To say there is no good cause we fight for is a slap in the face to countless men and women who have died to make sure you can sit at home on your laptop and not have to fight off our invaders.




Protecting the homeland and the freedoms of US citizens is completely different than going to Iraq and dying in a foreign land 5000 miles away from your native country.




I don't disagree with you and I have many problems with what our military participates in. My point stands that if we had no military we would be not be free for much longer. I don't see why that's hard to understand.




For sure, we need a strong military to protect the homeland, can going outside of the US to protect our freedoms be a real possibility?  Yes, I just haven't seen it since WW2. :shrug:

I just don't understand how our leaders can tell us going to Afghanistan to protect us from "terrorists" is a sensible idea when of Southern border is left completely wide open.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: shellzenone] * 1
    #23482978 - 07/27/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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would you agree that police are not really here to 'serve and protect'




Of course, police are only here to protect and serve the interests of the state.

The only time a police officer has any obligation to protect anybody is if the officer has arrested that person and has the person in custody.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html?_r=0

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I just don't understand how our leaders can tell us going to Afghanistan to protect us from "terrorists" is a sensible idea when of Southern border is left completely wide open.




I think we have often disagreed on things in the past, and I just want to say that on this, I totally agree with you.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
    #23482989 - 07/27/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Last time we were even attacked by a sovereign nation was in 1941, sooooooo no.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
    #23482997 - 07/27/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The funniest/saddest part about the wars in the Middle East is that 15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

So who do we attack in response? Iraq and Afghanistan. :facepalm3:

Yep, a bunch of Saudi guys fly planes into buildings in NYC, and we decide that the real threat is Iraq and some random Afghani cave dwellers. Yup, makes sense. :facepalm:

Gotta get those WMD and terrorist "training camps", though. :smugjerry:


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: FlyOnTheWall] * 1
    #23483008 - 07/27/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

We can only protect our freedom from nations that arent strategic allies, being the least free state in the region notwithstanding.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23483037 - 07/27/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

BTW how are first hand accounts conspiracy theories?


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23483157 - 07/27/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Pris I really think you need to stop being such a :feelsbadman: and start being more of a :feelsjohngoodman:

Its really bad for your health to constantly be such a :feelsbadman: type of dude.




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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
    #23483580 - 07/27/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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The funniest/saddest part about the wars in the Middle East is that 15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

So who do we attack in response? Iraq and Afghanistan. :facepalm3:





where people are from doesnt mean shit. Osama was from Saudi as well but he ended up dying in Pakistan


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23483584 - 07/27/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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BTW how are first hand accounts conspiracy theories?





what first hand accounts?


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    #23483977 - 07/27/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Freedom? More like lithium, opium and oil.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Shroomism]
    #23484058 - 07/27/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

lol. no


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    #23484110 - 07/27/16 10:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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lol. no




Ohh, okay. Well, you have totally convinced me.


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    #23484113 - 07/27/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:duckhunt:


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    #23484497 - 07/28/16 04:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

OP do you mean that in personal or national level?


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    #23497572 - 08/01/16 03:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Mean what? I'm really trying to examine different views. Seems like money is really why the world is so fucked. I wonder... if money lost its value tomorrow, would this world be a better place?


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    #23501196 - 08/02/16 09:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Mean what? I'm really trying to examine different views. Seems like money is really why the world is so fucked. I wonder... if money lost its value tomorrow, would this world be a better place?




what an idiotic question.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23501322 - 08/02/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If there was no more money there would be no motivation to have single agenda pursuits.  Trade and barter wouldn't even be the norm.  No, it would be theft and kill or be killed.  Perhaps some trading.


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Mean what? I'm really trying to examine different views. Seems like money is really why the world is so fucked. I wonder... if money lost its value tomorrow, would this world be a better place?




Other people's Money is what pays for free healthcare and college, what would we do without it, don't be daft!


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    #23510781 - 08/04/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They are fighting currently for control over middle eastern oil, and Opium production.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Patlal]
    #23523965 - 08/09/16 03:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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They fought for their freedom in 1700 something.

They fought for Europe's freedom in 1941

Ever since then, they've been fighting because letting the equipment rust would look bad. So they use the army to "free" countries by bringing "democracy" to countries who never showed interest in democracy the way the US sees it. It's totally not about the oil though.




D-day was in 1944. We sent aid to Europe while we were fighting Japan.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #23524050 - 08/09/16 05:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'd say Korea was borderline legit, as far as wars go, but after that the US became a real shitshow when it came to "National defense".

Thankfully more and more people are waking up to the truth that these wars the US keeps starting serve nobody but the warmachine itself.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #23524076 - 08/09/16 06:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Not to be an unpatriotic asshole but the USSR basically defeated Germany. %80 of the German divisions were on the Eastern Front.

    Once D-day succeeded, there was a huge race between U.S. and the Russians to get to Berlin first. It was more or less a tie, which is how Berlin and the rest of Germany got portioned. One of the biggest issues was who could snatch more of their rocket scientist geniuses.  Stalin went from our most vital ally to our worst enemy. Some of our Generals wanted to attack them immediately. They were overruled by Truman, Eisenhower and others. We had the "bomb" but we didn't know far along they were with theirs. And attacking Russia is no trivial task. Our allies were depleted, except maybe Canada, and they were not anxious to go straight into WWIII. We were just getting out of the Great Depression, and rebuilding Europe was how we did it.


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I'd say Korea was borderline legit, as far as wars go, but after that the US became a real shitshow when it came to "National defense".

Thankfully more and more people are waking up to the truth that these wars the US keeps starting serve nobody but the warmachine itself.




Yeah morally I can definitely go along with at least "borderline legit", for Korea but if there ever was a war that was a tie, that was it.

What I find kind of weird is that we definitely lost the war in Viet Nam, but it seems like Viet Nam is pretty OK now, relatively speaking. Is every communist revolution horrible, or was Ho Chi Minh (and whoever he left in charge after him) fighting more of an anticolonial revolution against France/US  than a Maoist/Marxist-Leninist communist revolution. I haven't studied what happened after Ho and his successors, but lately it seems like they want to have real good relations with the U.S. One of my friends lives there now. I think he got tired of praying in Thai temples with their priests and decided to do it in Viet Nam.

      But this is my point. The war in Korea partitioning it in half left us with one good country. The last two insane imbeciles running North Korea are never going to adapt like other countries in Southeast Asia. (OK they aren't South) And in retrospect I think the Korean war was worth fighting and I support our funding of South Korea. I knew a lot of South Koreans in grad school and they were all normal and very grateful for what the U.S. had done for them.


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    #23524222 - 08/09/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ho Chi Minh wasn't even a real commie, he just "converted" when it became clear to the Vietnamese that the US rhetoric of freedom and democracy means jack shit when a colonial power needs some dirty work done.

The US has been scammed by Frenchies, and the government not only allowed it but played along.

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Ho Chi Minh wasn't even a real commie, he just "converted" when it became clear to the Vietnamese that the US rhetoric of freedom and democracy means jack shit when a colonial power needs some dirty work done.

The US has been scammed by Frenchies, and the government not only allowed it but played along.

How does that make you feel, Americans?



Makes me feel nothing.

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