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shellzenone
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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23482691 - 07/27/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: It was in Iraq or Afghanistan, one of the earlier invasions.
How did felons get enlisted? Was it some sort of plausibly deniable paramilitary fringe unit?
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Bodhi of Ankou said: It was in Iraq or Afghanistan, one of the earlier invasions.
How did felons get enlisted? Was it some sort of plausibly deniable paramilitary fringe unit?
Felons can be pardoned by the government if they join the service. I think only the Army does it now.
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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: shellzenone]
#23482709 - 07/27/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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shellzenone said: Seriously, most wars are for imperialism.
soldiers fight for money, the state has them fight for imperialism. The dumbfucks back home are the only one's buying that freedom rap.
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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? *DELETED* [Re: qman]
#23482768 - 07/27/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Patlal]
#23482778 - 07/27/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Patlal said: They fought for their freedom in 1700 something.
They fought for Europe's freedom in 1941
Ever since then, they've been fighting because letting the equipment rust would look bad. So they use the army to "free" countries by bringing "democracy" to countries who never showed interest in democracy the way the US sees it. It's totally not about the oil though.
you canadians need to shut the F up before you give you a little taste of democracy
our guns dont rust because they're oil daily with the blood of tyrants and school children
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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#23482783 - 07/27/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pris I really think you need to stop being such a and start being more of a 
Its really bad for your health to constantly be such a type of dude.
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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23482797 - 07/27/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Because it doesnt align with your rosey coloured vision of the US armed forces? I forget his screenname but there was a poster here who experienced first hand the brutality of the armed forces. His squad was completely made up of ex-cons and hardened criminals. He recalled distinctly how their commanding officer would tell them to open up on unarmed civilians regularly. They would initiate raids in the dead of night where they humiliated and killed families in their own home. Even getting back to their home soil, they mimed this behaviour by setting up ambushes and surrounding homes, luckily thats as far thge went. Theres scores of accounts of behaviours like these being exhibited by the US forces. They definitely werent there to free anyone.
you bought that bullshit... hahaha
viet nam was the last time anyone was allowed in with a criminal record and usually it was a choice by a judge, enlist or prison. the US military wont allow you to serve if your license is suspended and it's been that way for at least 30 years
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Bodhi of Ankou said: No, the American empire needed someone to thrash immediately after 9/11. They choose afghanistan because doing so would cripple Pakistan. Iraq was purely for oil. Mercenaries outnumbered actual army personnel in both those wars. They werent out for the peasants in either of those countries.
do you make this shit up or do you read it off conspiracy sites?
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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23482802 - 07/27/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Pris I really think you need to stop being such a and start being more of a 
Its really bad for your health to constantly be such a type of dude.
cant you take a :feelsjokeman:?
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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#23482823 - 07/27/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Threatening to pull yer shiny guns out and waddle north of your border isnt much of a threat. Actually its hilarious.
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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23482890 - 07/27/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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you'd be apologizing for making us walk so far
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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23482899 - 07/27/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You'd better bring beer, I'd hate for you to show up to the party emptyhanded. Its quite the faux pa here.
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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23482921 - 07/27/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok guys, now that I have your attention, would you agree that police are not really here to 'serve and protect' rather to make a paycheck? With this whole violence against cops, everyone wants to side with cops like if police getting killed in the line of duty was a new thing.
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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23482945 - 07/27/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: You'd better bring beer, I'd hate for you to show up to the party emptyhanded. Its quite the faux pa here.
america invented beer!
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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Sanguin3] 2
#23482949 - 07/27/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sanguin3 said: It doesn't matter what motives the U.S government has, if we had no military we would be destroyed. So yes I believe some do fight for freedom, albeit with a lot of other motives.
To say there is no good cause we fight for is a slap in the face to countless men and women who have died to make sure you can sit at home on your laptop and not have to fight off our invaders.
Protecting the homeland and the freedoms of US citizens is completely different than going to Iraq and dying in a foreign land 5000 miles away from your native country.
I don't disagree with you and I have many problems with what our military participates in. My point stands that if we had no military we would be not be free for much longer. I don't see why that's hard to understand.
For sure, we need a strong military to protect the homeland, can going outside of the US to protect our freedoms be a real possibility? Yes, I just haven't seen it since WW2.
I just don't understand how our leaders can tell us going to Afghanistan to protect us from "terrorists" is a sensible idea when of Southern border is left completely wide open.
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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: shellzenone] 1
#23482978 - 07/27/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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shellzenone said: would you agree that police are not really here to 'serve and protect'
Of course, police are only here to protect and serve the interests of the state.
The only time a police officer has any obligation to protect anybody is if the officer has arrested that person and has the person in custody. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html?_r=0
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qman said: I just don't understand how our leaders can tell us going to Afghanistan to protect us from "terrorists" is a sensible idea when of Southern border is left completely wide open.
I think we have often disagreed on things in the past, and I just want to say that on this, I totally agree with you.
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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
#23482989 - 07/27/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Last time we were even attacked by a sovereign nation was in 1941, sooooooo no.
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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
#23482997 - 07/27/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The funniest/saddest part about the wars in the Middle East is that 15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.
So who do we attack in response? Iraq and Afghanistan. 
Yep, a bunch of Saudi guys fly planes into buildings in NYC, and we decide that the real threat is Iraq and some random Afghani cave dwellers. Yup, makes sense. 
Gotta get those WMD and terrorist "training camps", though.
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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: FlyOnTheWall] 1
#23483008 - 07/27/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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We can only protect our freedom from nations that arent strategic allies, being the least free state in the region notwithstanding.
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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23483037 - 07/27/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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BTW how are first hand accounts conspiracy theories?
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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23483157 - 07/27/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Pris I really think you need to stop being such a and start being more of a 
Its really bad for your health to constantly be such a type of dude.
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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
#23483580 - 07/27/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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FlyOnTheWall said: The funniest/saddest part about the wars in the Middle East is that 15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.
So who do we attack in response? Iraq and Afghanistan. 
where people are from doesnt mean shit. Osama was from Saudi as well but he ended up dying in Pakistan
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