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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: shellzenone] * 3
    #23481419 - 07/27/16 07:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

A soldier's oath is to protect "THE CONSTITUTION" not the freedoms of other nations.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Sanguin3] * 3
    #23481530 - 07/27/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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It doesn't matter what motives the U.S government has, if we had no military we would be destroyed. So yes I believe some do fight for freedom, albeit with a lot of other motives.

To say there is no good cause we fight for is a slap in the face to countless men and women who have died to make sure you can sit at home on your laptop and not have to fight off our invaders.




Protecting the homeland and the freedoms of US citizens is completely different than going to Iraq and dying in a foreign land 5000 miles away from your native country.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: qman] * 2
    #23481600 - 07/27/16 08:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe the politicians and even the Generals and Majors use "freedom" as the impetus for fighting in a war.....but ask any common infantryman, and he will tell you that they are simply fighting for each other...their brothers in arms.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: rackem]
    #23481703 - 07/27/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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rackem said:
thats pretty much what i am saying.

'freedom' may be the mission but money is the motivation.





who's money? do you think we got money from Iraq or Afghanistan?


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: rackem]
    #23481707 - 07/27/16 09:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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it was attempted, i dont know if i would consider it done.





what was done was troops went and fought. I didnt say won and I didnt say it for a specific reason


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: shellzenone] * 1
    #23481732 - 07/27/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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shellzenone said:
A soldier's oath is to protect "THE CONSTITUTION" not the freedoms of other nations.





it's to support and defend the constitution

the enlisted oath also required them to obey the orders of the president and the
officers appointed over them. that means, if the president says go to Iraq and wage
war, that's what they have to do


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: shellzenone]
    #23481833 - 07/27/16 10:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Why are people so touchy about this obvious truth?




Because people are insecure and the truth hurts.
Also, because it's kind of a gray are and there's not an easy answer.
...but mostly the first thing.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23481882 - 07/27/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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shellzenone said:
A soldier's oath is to protect "THE CONSTITUTION" not the freedoms of other nations.





it's to support and defend the constitution

the enlisted oath also required them to obey the orders of the president and the
officers appointed over them. that means, if the president says go to Iraq and wage
war, that's what they have to do




The Founding Fathers warned about the dangers of engaging in wars all over the world, I'm sure they already turned over in their graves many times.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: qman]
    #23482084 - 07/27/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

They fought for their freedom in 1700 something.

They fought for Europe's freedom in 1941

Ever since then, they've been fighting because letting the equipment rust would look bad. So they use the army to "free" countries by bringing "democracy" to countries who never showed interest in democracy the way the US sees it. It's totally not about the oil though.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Patlal]
    #23482248 - 07/27/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, the Korean War, Afghanistan, and Vietnam war were "all about the oil" :facepalm3:


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23482257 - 07/27/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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rackem said:
freedom? nope a paycheck.




would they be fighting for freedom if they were not collecting a paycheck?


I guess since you dont actually know that answer I'll drop a hint


yes, they do fight for freedom, it isnt yours or mine, it isnt theirs either, in
Afghanistan they fought for the freedoms of the people there when the taliban was
ousted, they fought for the freedom of many of the people of Iraq. yes, we've been
told a dozen reasons why these wars were fought and none involve freedom but they
absolutely were fighting for the freedom of those that were oppressed by their
governments. sure these failed wars did not result in those people being free due
to bad policies by various leaders both here and there but the propaganda isnt
just propaganda, it is a fact whether you choose to believe it or not




No, the American empire needed someone to thrash immediately after 9/11. They choose afghanistan because doing so would cripple Pakistan. Iraq was purely for oil. Mercenaries outnumbered actual army personnel in both those wars. They werent out for the peasants in either of those countries. 


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23482295 - 07/27/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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rackem said:
thats pretty much what i am saying.

'freedom' may be the mission but money is the motivation.





who's money? do you think we got money from Iraq or Afghanistan?





Heroin, oil, natural resources.

I do not know what people fight for, I assume pride.  Nobody fights for ego loss.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23482349 - 07/27/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This thread now belongs in the conspiracy forum :/


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23482365 - 07/27/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The US soldiers and UK soldiers fight for, and to protect - corporate interests.


Edited by wicca mixer (07/27/16 01:25 PM)


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23482371 - 07/27/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Because it doesnt align with your rosey coloured vision of the US armed forces? I forget his screenname but there was a poster here who experienced first hand the brutality of the armed forces. His squad was completely made up of ex-cons and hardened criminals. He recalled distinctly how their commanding officer would tell them to open up on unarmed civilians regularly. They would initiate raids in the dead of night where they humiliated and killed families in their own home. Even getting back to their home soil, they mimed this behaviour by setting up ambushes and surrounding homes, luckily thats as far thge went. Theres scores of accounts of behaviours like these being exhibited by the US forces. They definitely werent there to free anyone.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23482420 - 07/27/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Because it doesnt align with your rosey coloured vision of the US armed forces? I forget his screenname but there was a poster here who experienced first hand the brutality of the armed forces. His squad was completely made up of ex-cons and hardened criminals. He recalled distinctly how their commanding officer would tell them to open up on unarmed civilians regularly. They would initiate raids in the dead of night where they humiliated and killed families in their own home. Even getting back to their home soil, they mimed this behaviour by setting up ambushes and surrounding homes, luckily thats as far thge went. Theres scores of accounts of behaviours like these being exhibited by the US forces. They definitely werent there to free anyone.




Vietnam?

I don't think they formally conscript felons or mental patients anymore.  Key word formally


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23482440 - 07/27/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It was in Iraq or Afghanistan, one of the earlier invasions.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23482525 - 07/27/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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It was in Iraq or Afghanistan, one of the earlier invasions.




How did felons get enlisted?  Was it some sort of plausibly deniable paramilitary fringe unit?


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23482588 - 07/27/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Wouldnt surprise me. They were already actively drawing on alternative sources of manpower with the mercenary groups (which is its own major violation of the political system) I doubt felons were off limits. Their use was probably limited but according to one of our very own he was in a unit comprised of them.

Some dark shit went down during those wars for sure.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23482602 - 07/27/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

IF paycheck is freedom, then yes.


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