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Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? * 2
    #23481005 - 07/27/16 01:21 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Seriously, most wars are for imperialism.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: shellzenone] * 1
    #23481013 - 07/27/16 01:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

freedom? nope a paycheck.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: rackem] * 1
    #23481019 - 07/27/16 01:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Why are people so touchy about this obvious truth?


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: shellzenone] * 1
    #23481021 - 07/27/16 01:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You tell us.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: shellzenone] * 4
    #23481025 - 07/27/16 01:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

if you are going to die by some crazed lunatic may as well tell yourself you are doing it for a honorable reason.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: shellzenone] * 1
    #23481113 - 07/27/16 02:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Just another person fighting for an idea (country) maybe we would be better without nations and then there would be no war.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: tdubz]
    #23481115 - 07/27/16 02:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

there will always be some sort of war man.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: rackem] * 4
    #23481148 - 07/27/16 03:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I think most people who are super touchy about this subject have friends or loved one in the military.

Some of them may have even known people who died in Vietnam or the Middle East.

If somebody you loved died in one of those wars, you would probably want to believe they died for
something meaningful, even if it is clear that they did not.

Personally, I would not suggest arguing about whether or not US soldiers are fighting for freedom with this crowd.
Facts are meaningless, they just want to cling to the belief that their loved one who served was involved in something honorable.

I think the other group of people that tends to be touchy about this is the "my grandpa fought in WWII" crowd.

This group of people seems to believe that because the US helped defeat the Nazis in WWII over 70 years ago,
the US Military can do no wrong. I find these types of people the most humorous and trollable.

Like, dude...everyone's Grandpa fought in WWII. I know both of mine did...that is completely irrelevant to the
situation in the modern world.

A lot has gone down since then. Haha. Vietnam and all the massacres like Mai Lai, the disastrous wars in the
Middle East which have only made things worse, etc. None of these atrocities matter to this group, because their
grandpa fought in a war 70 years ago, therefore the US is a perfect country that is incapable of military miscalculations.

That's my analysis, anyways. :lol::smugjerry:


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: FlyOnTheWall] * 1
    #23481157 - 07/27/16 03:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i think you hit the nail right on the head.

all the wars prior to vietnam were different. once we introduced reporters/politicians into war, it has become a cluster fuck.

war is no longer about doing the right things. its about political chess, cash grabs and ratings.  its bullshit.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: rackem] * 2
    #23481165 - 07/27/16 03:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

US soldiers fight for pokemon and gym badges


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #23481189 - 07/27/16 03:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

"most".


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: rackem]
    #23481243 - 07/27/16 04:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

rackem said:
freedom? nope a paycheck.




would they be fighting for freedom if they were not collecting a paycheck?


I guess since you dont actually know that answer I'll drop a hint


yes, they do fight for freedom, it isnt yours or mine, it isnt theirs either, in
Afghanistan they fought for the freedoms of the people there when the taliban was
ousted, they fought for the freedom of many of the people of Iraq. yes, we've been
told a dozen reasons why these wars were fought and none involve freedom but they
absolutely were fighting for the freedom of those that were oppressed by their
governments. sure these failed wars did not result in those people being free due
to bad policies by various leaders both here and there but the propaganda isnt
just propaganda, it is a fact whether you choose to believe it or not


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 2
    #23481245 - 07/27/16 04:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

is that really the decision of the us to make the decision if those people wanted freedom to begin with?


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: rackem] * 1
    #23481266 - 07/27/16 04:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Do you really need to ask this question?
Anybody without permanent brain damage, who uses more than 5 minutes to look at the conflicts that U.S. is involved would not believe he/she is fighting foor good cause.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 1
    #23481272 - 07/27/16 05:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

thats pretty much what i am saying.

'freedom' may be the mission but money is the motivation.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: rackem]
    #23481288 - 07/27/16 05:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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is that really the decision of the us to make the decision if those people wanted freedom to begin with?






iot diesnt matter if we made the decision or not, it was done


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23481290 - 07/27/16 05:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

it was attempted, i dont know if i would consider it done.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 2
    #23481332 - 07/27/16 05:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know the last time we fought for freedom since WWII. My brother was drafted to Viet Nam. When he came back he said if you go there, I'll kill you. Korea was controversial, Viet Nam was super controversial. Then we had a couple stupid wars like Regan invading Grenada, who had an army around 1000 soldiers, because that let Reagan say we won one, if you want call that a war. The first Gulf War had a reason to invade, but the end game pretty fucked up.
    After 9/11 we became very patriotic. We had to do something to Afghanistan, so that was popular, and we were winning that war (but ask the Soviets, it's hard to win a war in the Afghan mountains). Then W for reasons only known to him, Cheney and Rove we decided to invade Iraq at the same time. Yes Hussain did some evil things but that was 20 years earlier. We had patriotic recruits to go to Iraq, but dividing our resources, resulting in starting to lose the Afghan war. And then W and his guy killed Hussein and it was a big rah rah moment, except despite the guy being an evil prick, he kept order of several diverse groups, and since his death the whole region has been a shitstorm, ISIS and every other thing. And our big Arab Allies, Saudi Arabia is as evil as ISIS.
    IDK, we got brave soldiers, but I don't think we ever fought for our freedom since WWII.


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Re: Do US soldiers really fight for freedom? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23481407 - 07/27/16 07:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

rackem said:
freedom? nope a paycheck.




would they be fighting for freedom if they were not collecting a paycheck?


I guess since you dont actually know that answer I'll drop a hint


yes, they do fight for freedom, it isnt yours or mine, it isnt theirs either, in
Afghanistan they fought for the freedoms of the people there when the taliban was
ousted, they fought for the freedom of many of the people of Iraq. yes, we've been
told a dozen reasons why these wars were fought and none involve freedom but they
absolutely were fighting for the freedom of those that were oppressed by their
governments. sure these failed wars did not result in those people being free due
to bad policies by various leaders both here and there but the propaganda isnt
just propaganda, it is a fact whether you choose to believe it or not






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