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Next step... Need advice, sterilizing bottles in huge quantity...How?
    #23480986 - 07/27/16 01:03 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hi there, so my problem is that:

I have a technic to grow different mushrooms in bottles. Those contain sawdust, chips, and millet. (kinda RR recipe) I have a AA 925, and a little PC but I can sterilise only 20 bottles with them, and in 2,5 hour a full cycle. My cellar can hold approximately 2000 bottles :laugh: You can see my problem.

How to sterilize, I say 200 bottles at one run.

Idea 1.

Metal barrel + gas burner, atmospheric sterilisaion for 6+ hours?

Idea 2. Build a PC from that barel ? (I'm afraid of high pressure and bloomin')

I have a manual bottle loading system (a pad with hole, and a cement mixer :grin: ) what easily can fill 400 bottle a day.

So if I have a good big sterilizer, I can manage the 2000 bottles in a week.
I have cheap sawdust + chips + millet and water (from a well) I have gas and burner.

So the real question is that: For 12 hour soaked millet and the SD+Chip mix is can be setrilized in 6 hour @ atmospheric pressure or I need a PC (12 hours work as I know, but it is not too efficient.)

I also lurked some ideas here, but I want a shortcut :laugh: And I read somewhere that 6 hour maybe enough.

An other Idea is a bran method, as in PF style cakes, you can soak the mixture for 12 h then cook for 2 h and cool and inoculate.

Any idea?

Thanx
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Re: Next step... Need advice, sterilizing bottles in huge quantity...How? [Re: moricz]
    #23481038 - 07/27/16 01:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Next step... Need advice, sterilizing bottles in huge quantity...How? [Re: Bobabouy]
    #23481213 - 07/27/16 04:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Next step... Need advice, sterilizing bottles in huge quantity...How? [Re: moricz]
    #23481447 - 07/27/16 07:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Bettwr question:

How you gonna clean them after?


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Re: Next step... Need advice, sterilizing bottles in huge quantity...How? [Re: drake89]
    #23481763 - 07/27/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I got a machine like a toilet brush on an electric motor, used to clean glasses in a pub. And I can change the head soft and hard brushes. I don't want to use for oysters and similar extremely hardening mycelial species.

Still the cleaning will be a pain in the ass, but easier for me and economical (at first place) No bags used, no trash.

I know there are bottleing machinery, but I don't have money so much :laugh: And they are for much bigger productions, maybe later, by that time I have a commercial autoclave :laugh: :laugh:

I can "filter" the washing water, and the mushroom compost is very good in my garden and for the local forest or I can give away to my friends, some farmers or gardeners to inoculate logs, or use to compost. Or I try to reuse with oysters or something. (Again, have to sterilize :laugh: )

Bla bla, I know. I want to be spend as little time for sterilizing as I can. :smile:


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Re: Next step... Need advice, sterilizing bottles in huge quantity...How? [Re: moricz]
    #23481798 - 07/27/16 09:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

EDIT: poop


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Re: Next step... Need advice, sterilizing bottles in huge quantity...How? [Re: moricz]
    #23482078 - 07/27/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

moricz
Just thinking off the top of my head.

2000 bottles..

Probably you'll be working on a 6 week cycle (a couple of flushes).

That would be 333 bottles per week.

333 bottles estimated 18-20 cu ft..

I would probably think about building a small insulated room that would hold your bottles and come up with some kind of steam generator to inject your steam room.


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Re: Next step... Need advice, sterilizing bottles in huge quantity...How? [Re: micelio]
    #23482595 - 07/27/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Have you checked how many bottles fit into a 55 gal drum yet? Ballpark id say 6 rows of 30? Lions mane would be a good variety since the myc is really weak and should easily clean out. One issue with small bottles is your fruits will be tiny. Jars might be a better idea, also easier to clean. Make sure you wear good gloves when handling the bottles. Nothing sucks more than slicing youself on broken glass and maiming your hand.


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Re: Next step... Need advice, sterilizing bottles in huge quantity...How? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23482603 - 07/27/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

And for cleaning, a pressure washer should make cleaning farily quick. Make a rig that when you push down on the bottle it actuates the gun, squirting a jet up into the bottle.


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Re: Next step... Need advice, sterilizing bottles in huge quantity...How? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23484575 - 07/28/16 05:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanx the answers.

Yes, yes it is a quite big adventure ... I need to think over a lot of things.
I have a job where I can work at home, and I want to make extra money from edibles. But don't want to use bags, because of the so much trash :frown:

Also want to try some kind of tray sollution, and pasteurised, substrates. But the need of millet spawn is also huge. :\ Donno...


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