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The Gary Johnson Thread
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I figured we should have a Gary Johnson thread, since he is the only 3rd party candidate with ballot access in 50 states, and I believe he has just recently polled at 12%, which means he is nearing debate eligibility.
Gary Johnson has chosen Gov. William Weld as his VP. This could get very interesting. I think lots of Bernie supporters may be willing to support Johnson, and I also think lots of disgruntled Republicans would be happy to support him.
Here is a little clip from Rachel Maddow on the topic. Look, he's even getting MSM coverage! lmao
Gary Johnson is by no means my ideal candidate. I like him more than Clinton and Trump though. So there's that.
Libertarianism, as a philosophy in modern politics, is generally a compromise between left and right wing politics. This means that the Libertarian party could potentially split the vote on both ends of the spectrum, and we could still have a very competitive race.
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I'd like to see him get some electoral votes, enough to keep hillary and trump from the magical 270, that would be interesting to see the outcome
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Holy shit
is this a political topic that was actually placed in the political discussion part of this forum instead of the pub?
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#23479712 - 07/26/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd vote for Jill Stein.
Though I agree with libertarians when it comes to Government staying out of our personal business, I can't agree with them about Government staying out of corporate business.
A libertarian president would allow corporations to take advantage of workers and widen the income gap to enormous levels; something that would be disastrous for the country.
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As opposed to now? What's the government doing now to stop corporations? If anything, they are helping them now more than they ever have... Stifling competition, bailouts, crony capitolism at its finest
What you need to remember is when you cut the ties that bind corps from govt.; you also cut the incentives that govt and corps have to work together, which would be BETTER for the workers, not worse
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hostileuniverse said: What you need to remember is when you cut the ties that bind corps from govt.; you also cut the incentives that govt and corps have to work together, which would be BETTER for the workers, not worse
Elimination of all the labor laws this country has worked so hard for would be a disaster for workers.
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That's not what he's suggesting, that's a scare tactic, you think he's gonna repeal child labor laws?
What he's talking about is ending the collusion, not letting them pollute and endanger employees however they want, that's a ridiculous assumption
What exactly do you think he'd do?
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I'm all for that. So is Bernie, and so is Jill Stein. But Jill Stein wouldn't eliminate ANY labor laws, and would fight for a higher minimum wage.
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So he wouldn't impose more govt controls on business, that's what you oppose?
Govt regulation and controls is what has driven our manufacturing out of the country, when the govt stopped letting business compete, they left, and will continue to do so.
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Does Gary Johnson advocate the abolition of labor laws?
Look, I have HU on ignore, and I really don't want him to derail this thread into some garbage nonsensical discussion.
Anyways, what we have to remember is that there are checks and balances on the president. They can't just do whatever they would like to do. Regardless, I think if people get a taste of the right wing punishment of no labor laws, and no progressive taxation, they will reject it wholly in a very short time. We only have to go a tiny smidge more to the right, for people to realize what true lefties they really are 
I will probably cast my vote for Stein also, but I do like the idea of a third party that is capable of challenging the two party system, and right now the Libertarians are the only ones capable of doing that. He already almost has high enough numbers to be in the debates.
Now, I have to ask, do you really prefer Hillary Clinton, or Donald Trump, to a guy like Gary Johnson? He has done good things for his state, and he is generally fairly reasonable compared to our other two options. I am willing to make concessions at this point. Clinton and Trump would be abysmal presidencies. Moreover, I just don't like the idea of Clinton becoming president after she has clearly been cheating the entire time. I believe in our Republic, and I believe I should have the right to vote for representation.
Either way, Johnson believes we should be less interventionist globally, and we can save lives by having an anti-war president. That's something good, is it not? I hate seeing so many people die in the name of horse shit political rhetoric.
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I might add that Johnson is also very liberal on Social issues, such as abortion, gay rights, the war on drugs, militarization of police, and foreign policy. I'd rather have a guy like that appointing a Supreme Court Justice than Clinton or Trump. One way or another, we will get a right wing SCOTUS appointee. I'd prefer the Johnson appointee.
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I just read that Johnson wants to eliminate income taxes on businesses. I don't see that as making a lot of sense in practical terms. I would have a lot more sympathy for the Libertarian ethos if they weren't so conservative on so many key issues. It is also unrealistic to think government can be shrunk to the level they would like to see. In the modern world, government has a minimum size it can be, and at this point, it's rather sizable. Libertarians just strike me as a little off-base and unrealistic when it comes to some of their policies.
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DividedQuantum said: I just read that Johnson wants to eliminate income taxes on businesses. I don't see that as making a lot of sense in practical terms. I would have a lot more sympathy for the Libertarian ethos if they weren't so conservative on so many key issues. It is also unrealistic to think government can be shrunk to the level they would like to see. In the modern world, government has a minimum size it can be, and at this point, it's rather sizable. Libertarians just strike me as a little off-base and unrealistic when it comes to some of their policies.
The idea that the federal govt needs to be in every fucking aspect of our lives is ridiculous, they don't need to control our local school boards, zoning laws or local police or fire. The assumption they should, or even can control these issues with efficiency is nonsense
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DividedQuantum said: I just read that Johnson wants to eliminate income taxes on businesses. I don't see that as making a lot of sense in practical terms.
Yes, he wants to create a flat tax, which we are all very well aware is ridiculous.
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I would have a lot more sympathy for the Libertarian ethos if they weren't so conservative on so many key issues. It is also unrealistic to think government can be shrunk to the level they would like to see. In the modern world, government has a minimum size it can be, and at this point, it's rather sizable.
Agreed.
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Libertarians just strike me as a little off-base and unrealistic when it comes to some of their policies.
Yes, they are very unrealistic on all of their right-wing positions.
Look, I am not advocating Gary Johnson, but I figured we ought to discuss him, his policy positions, and his potential impact on this election. This country is marching toward Fascism, and Clinton would certainly continue that march. Donald Trump would be an ideal figurehead of Fascism. How anyone can see it differently is beyond me. Maybe Johnson would do a bit less damage.
The main job of a president is to handle foreign affairs. War in particular. I like Johnson's position on war. He wants to reduce the military budget, bring the troops home, and stop global interventionism.
We currently have over 800 foreign military bases scattered across the globe. To put that into perspective, I believe all other countries combined have roughly 30.
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Trump has advocated pulling back from foreign affairs as well, also making other countries pay for their security, rather than us flipping the bill, good thing you're not bothered with responding to facts, ignorance is bliss I guess
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Bigbadwooof said: Does Gary Johnson advocate the abolition of labor laws?
I don't know. Libertarians generally don't like Government regulations.
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Bigbadwooof said: I will probably cast my vote for Stein also, but I do like the idea of a third party that is capable of challenging the two party system, and right now the Libertarians are the only ones capable of doing that. He already almost has high enough numbers to be in the debates.
Neither Stein nor Johnson can realistically beat Clinton or Trump. I'd much rather help the Green Party than the Libertarian Party.
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Bigbadwooof said: Now, I have to ask, do you really prefer Hillary Clinton, or Donald Trump, to a guy like Gary Johnson? He has done good things for his state, and he is generally fairly reasonable compared to our other two options. I am willing to make concessions at this point. Clinton and Trump would be abysmal presidencies. Moreover, I just don't like the idea of Clinton becoming president after she has clearly been cheating the entire time. I believe in our Republic, and I believe I should have the right to vote for representation.
Either way, Johnson believes we should be less interventionist globally, and we can save lives by having an anti-war president. That's something good, is it not? I hate seeing so many people die in the name of horse shit political rhetoric.
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I might add that Johnson is also very liberal on Social issues, such as abortion, gay rights, the war on drugs, militarization of police, and foreign policy. I'd rather have a guy like that appointing a Supreme Court Justice than Clinton or Trump. One way or another, we will get a right wing SCOTUS appointee. I'd prefer the Johnson appointee.
All of the good things you mention about Johnson are also true of Stein, but without the bad things.
Given a choice between Clinton, Trump, and Johnson, I really don't know who I'd take. If Clinton distances herself from big corporations, Wall Street and the super-wealthy, I'd go with her. But if she doesn't, I just don't know.
I do like Stein a LOT better than all three, so my vote right now is with her.
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hostileuniverse said: Trump has advocated pulling back from foreign affairs as well, also making other countries pay for their security, rather than us flipping the bill, good thing you're not bothered with responding to facts, ignorance is bliss I guess
Wooof hasn't denied that about Trump. He simply dislikes other things about Trump.
Stein also wants to spend less on the military.
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Gary Johnson is not going to win one electoral vote, or maybe his home state. I have no idea if the people on here are so young, or so idealistic that they have no idea how politics actually works in the U.S. If you think a third party is going to push the election into the House of Representatives, you should talk about this with your friends the next time you're all doing acid. Ideals are great. I threw my vote away several times in my irrationally extended college career. I voted Libertarian and I voted Green (and I'm not even going to admit which Party I voted for the other time). But you get older you realize (and I apologise for how condescending this term sounds) "How the world really works". Organization wins, not ideals. In our "winner takes all system" a 3rd party is not going to be an issue, except occasionally as a spoiler. I wish we had a parliamentary system like Western Europe or Israel where every party gets it's percentage of votes. and then the leading party creates coalitions with a couple other parties to get a majority and then they share power based on how many votes they contributed. I can't see it ever happening here, but I don't think the presidency will ever go to anybody except the organizational choice of the 2 parties. The only way I could see that I'm wrong, is if the shit really really really hits the fan. But even then is the congress going to support a 3rd party President.
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#23482165 - 07/27/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am on a phone, so I can't type very well, but I wanted to answer your post, Brian.
I completely understand where you are coming from, and I am certainly a young idealist, at the end of the day. However, I think we are witnessing the first stages of both parties imploding. Do you think Donald Trump won due to his exceptional 'organization'? Brexit is an example of a vote of no confidence in the government in the UK. Trump is exemplary of the same here in the US. The climate has probably not been so friendly to a 3rd party presidential bid since the Republican party was established. The real problem with third parties though, is that they generally only go after the presidency, and not mayor/governor/Senate seats, though there have been a few.
Anyways, if Johnson gets in the debates, I really do think he has a shot. It is a wacky year. He has polled at 12 and 13% of the vote. That is impressive, and it really says something about where the two parties are right now.
I wish that we had a parliamentary system also. Anything we can do to diffuse power is in the best interest of the people. That, in my mind, also goes for corporate business structures.
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Bigbadwooof said: I am on a phone, so I can't type very well, but I wanted to answer your post, Brian.
I completely understand where you are coming from, and I am certainly a young idealist, at the end of the day. However, I think we are witnessing the first stages of both parties imploding. Do you think Donald Trump won due to his exceptional 'organization'? Brexit is an example of a vote of no confidence in the government in the UK. Trump is exemplary of the same here in the US. The climate has probably not been so friendly to a 3rd party presidential bid since the Republican party was established. The real problem with third parties though, is that they generally only go after the presidency, and not mayor/governor/Senate seats, though there have been a few.
Anyways, if Johnson gets in the debates, I really do think he has a shot. It is a wacky year. He has polled at 12 and 13% of the vote. That is impressive, and it really says something about where the two parties are right now.
I wish that we had a parliamentary system also. Anything we can do to diffuse power is in the best interest of the people. That, in my mind, also goes for corporate business structures.
BB Woof I liked you reply and we agree on a lot, buy if Gary gets the 5% to get into debates its not going to make any difference this year, maybe in he future but I I'm'pretty sure Hillary wins she's got 8 years and that's no going be as big of a Repuublican majority or an intertest in just obstructing for 8 more years. Obamas' approval is around 53% and congress is at 8 or 9. Since they have the majority they are going to take blame. I don't think Hillary needs a majority in the senate to get Supreme court justices approved because the GOP knows there's only so many year they will be tolerated as pure obstructionists.
On Gary Johnson getting into the debate it will help his future career, but I don't see any electoral votes.
I don't what it would take for us to adopt a parliamentary system. Probably never. We can't even get away from the electoral college, and that has been of date for a couple centuries.
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To move to a parliamentary system would require a constitutional convention, 2/3 of the states would need to call for it, then we could rewrite the constitution as we see fit. It would also be liberals best chance to get rid of them first and second amendments they loath so much.
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hostileuniverse said: It would also be liberals best chance to get rid of them first and second amendments they loath so much.
Keep make believing. You are the straw man god after all.
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Keep make believing. You are the straw man god after all. 
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I simply called you out for making a straw man argument. Why don't you just stop doing that instead of crying every time?
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Why don't you stop acting like a bully? Is that all you have? Insults? The mighty great debater too smart for all us peons, wins arguments by insulting people, good job buddy
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Johnson reminds of me O'Malley when I hear him talk. They both talk like they're trying to sound presidential. O'Malley whistled his 's's though lol!
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Gary Johnson is having a 2nd town hall appearance on CNN on Wednesday. If Gov. Romney decides to endorse the Johnson/Weld ticket, that should be enough to propel them to the 15% threshold and into the debates.
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schwarg said: Gary Johnson is having a 2nd town hall appearance on CNN on Wednesday. If Gov. Romney decides to endorse the Johnson/Weld ticket, that should be enough to propel them to the 15% threshold and into the debates.
Romney? Why the hell would an endorsement by a loser give him a boost?
Don't misunderstand, I think he should be on the ticket, but Romney? I just find it funny
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Romney? Why the hell would an endorsement by a loser give him a boost?
Don't misunderstand, I think he should be on the ticket, but Romney? I just find it funny
His political opinion holds a lot of weight with a particular brand of conservatives, namely in Utah with its Mormon population. Simply an endorsement by him would make Utah a possibility for Johnson to rack up some electoral votes. Who knows, maybe Romney decides to endorse him and then McCain follows suit, especially after his latest feud with Trump.
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So the two losers that couldn't beat Obama are gonna endorse him? If I was him, I wouldn't want either of their endorsements, lol
Fact is, Hillary is a continuation of Obama, if you like him, you'll love her, people didn't choose Romney or McCain over Obama so I don't see them choosing Johnson over Hillary or Trump, it's a long shot when you pick losers to endorse tickets, (that's why Bernies endorsement of Hillary means next to nothing as well)
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hostileuniverse said: So the two losers that couldn't beat Obama are gonna endorse him? If I was him, I wouldn't want either of their endorsements, lol
Fact is, Hillary is a continuation of Obama, if you like him, you'll love her, people didn't choose Romney or McCain over Obama so I don't see them choosing Johnson over Hillary or Trump, it's a long shot when you pick losers to endorse tickets, (that's why Bernies endorsement of Hillary means next to nothing as well)
When he's below 15%, I'd say any endorsement by a disenfranchised major politician would be welcome. The reason the Republicans haven't been able to win, I believe, is their insistence on religious dogma intertwined with policy and their inability to communicate to low information voters why fiscal conservatism and small government is a good idea. That and the idea that the Democrats have perfected the art of race pandering identity politics.
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Johnson is gonna be speaking on CNN tonight at 9, havent watched anything on him yet myself so I plan to eat dinner with my dad and give it a watch.
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Well, it was......okay, better than his last Town Hall. Wish he was more of an eloquent speaker.
Johnson isn't a principled libertarian, more of a small government liberal or 'classical liberal.'
Hey, his policy positions are still leagues better than our other two options. And Stein? No, not going to vote for a communist who believes in homeopathy and just setting student debts to zero.
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She's not a communist. I find it funny how people throw that word around so carelessly. Johnson has some good policy positions, and many terrible ones, as do all Libertarians.
Republicans have mastered pandering to poorly educated white people (and of course the wealthy), and exploiting their fears. I don't think they have to be so hard-line religious to get the vote of rednecks though. They just have to pronounce that they are religious, as demonstrated by Trump, despite all evidence to the contrary. Believers like to believe shit..
They would probably get a lot more support if they didn't advocate unconstitutional theocratic authoritarianism. It's funny that they do this while condemning the Muslims for doing the same. You'll see a guy like HU, talking about the horrors of Sharia Law, while proclaiming his desire for Christian law to be implemented in the US.
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I just bet $10 on Gary Johnson at 320 to 1. So hopefully he wins a state, throws the electoral college into deadlock and the House of Reps chooses him to be President based on the FACT that Trump and Hillary both suck.
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Johnson might also suck, but at least if he does I get 3 grand.
Lol!
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Republicans have mastered pandering to poorly educated white people (and of course the wealthy), and exploiting their fears. I don't think they have to be so hard-line religious to get the vote of rednecks though. They just have to pronounce that they are religious, as demonstrated by Trump, despite all evidence to the contrary. Believers like to believe shit..
They would probably get a lot more support if they didn't advocate unconstitutional theocratic authoritarianism. It's funny that they do this while condemning the Muslims for doing the same. You'll see a guy like HU, talking about the horrors of Sharia Law, while proclaiming his desire for Christian law to be implemented in the US.
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business doesnt pay taxes anyways. See that's the trick with government. The company passes costs on to consumers. They have to.
If the governemt 'taxes corporations' what they are really doing is putting a tax on your income--if you buy the product, you pay the cost of the tax. Ditto for sales tax--the sales tax is placed on the business; the business passes the cost on to you.
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Bigbadwooof said: I figured we should have a Gary Johnson thread, since he is the only 3rd party candidate with ballot access in 50 states, and I believe he has just recently polled at 12%, which means he is nearing debate eligibility.
Gary Johnson has chosen Gov. William Weld as his VP. This could get very interesting. I think lots of Bernie supporters may be willing to support Johnson, and I also think lots of disgruntled Republicans would be happy to support him.
Here is a little clip from Rachel Maddow on the topic. Look, he's even getting MSM coverage! lmao
Gary Johnson is by no means my ideal candidate. I like him more than Clinton and Trump though. So there's that.
Libertarianism, as a philosophy in modern politics, is generally a compromise between left and right wing politics. This means that the Libertarian party could potentially split the vote on both ends of the spectrum, and we could still have a very competitive race.
It is too late to revive the third parties at the time, and which a lot of people on this site has already known about these candidates months ago .. What is going on is that the Democratic party is trying to prevent Bernie's supporters from crossing over to the Trump party. And so they are in panic mode. That even obama is trying to hurry up to infiltrate the U.S. with the members of ISIS by September 11th; and so that if Trump wins the election, that the world will be in a bigger disaster than it ever has been, that it will make a fool out of Trump and plus obama wants to celebrate the September 11th disaster with real muslims from the mother-land.
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business doesnt pay taxes anyways. See that's the trick with government. The company passes costs on to consumers. They have to.
If the governemt 'taxes corporations' what they are really doing is putting a tax on your income--if you buy the product, you pay the cost of the tax. Ditto for sales tax--the sales tax is placed on the business; the business passes the cost on to you.
If you weren't a corporatist whore you would realise that you could make exactly the same argument about the income tax -- once you charge an income tax, workers have to strike for higher wages to cover the tax, which means businesses have to pass the cost onto the consumer in higher prices.
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Sorry dude the HOR is not going to hand it to him. He's a noboby.
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business doesnt pay taxes anyways. See that's the trick with government. The company passes costs on to consumers. They have to.
If the governemt 'taxes corporations' what they are really doing is putting a tax on your income--if you buy the product, you pay the cost of the tax. Ditto for sales tax--the sales tax is placed on the business; the business passes the cost on to you.
That's not how the world works. You should know better. Companies aren't suddenly going to lower prices because their taxes have gone down lol.
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viktor said: If you weren't a corporatist whore you would realise that you could make exactly the same argument about the income tax -- once you charge an income tax, workers have to strike for higher wages to cover the tax, which means businesses have to pass the cost onto the consumer in higher prices.
Wow... That was an excellent argument that hadn't even crossed my mind! Well said, Viktor!
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business doesnt pay taxes anyways. See that's the trick with government. The company passes costs on to consumers. They have to.
If the governemt 'taxes corporations' what they are really doing is putting a tax on your income--if you buy the product, you pay the cost of the tax. Ditto for sales tax--the sales tax is placed on the business; the business passes the cost on to you.
That's not how the world works. You should know better. Companies aren't suddenly going to lower prices because their taxes have gone down lol.
That's right! But they will increase wages when their taxes go up!
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That's right! But they will increase wages when their taxes go up!
Who said that, Mr Straw Man King???
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That's right! But they will increase wages when their taxes go up!
Who said that, Mr Straw Man King???
What? You've not heard the retarded calls to revert to the tax rates of 90% on the wealthiest among us? Or maybe I was dreaming that?
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Ok, I think I should take's wooof's advice to put you on ignore. You are truly the least intelligent poster in this forum.
The call for higher taxes has NOTHING to do with increased wages. 
It's to generate more revenue to spend on things for the middle class, such as schools, health care, infrastucure, and so on.
IGNORED!
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The call for higher taxes has NOTHING to do with increased wages. 
It's to generate more revenue to spend on things for the middle class, such as schools, health care, infrastucure, and so on.
IGNORED!
Good job buddy, I'm sure all the left wing lunatics of the forum will be so proud of you 
ETA: I think everyone can see he's just pissy over me calling him out on the NYT BS, such a typical lib, can't stand the truth so he sticks his head in the sand to IGNORE it!
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Glorious, Falcon, glorious!
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Glorious, Falcon, glorious!
Yes, now there's two SJW's who can't handle the truth here, maybe you guys can start a club?
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This place feels smarter already. I can't even see any of his old posts.
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Glorious, Falcon, glorious!
Yes, now there's two SJW's who can't handle the truth here, maybe you guys can start a club?
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The call for higher taxes has NOTHING to do with increased wages. 
It's to generate more revenue to spend on things for the middle class, such as schools, health care, infrastucure, and so on.
IGNORED!
I never gave you much credit for maturity but I didn't suspect you lacked spine.
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Gary is all for using the government to force a cake bake. He threw the LP position in the toilet on that issue.
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Then he'll soon become a left-wing Political Discussion favorite.
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The call for higher taxes has NOTHING to do with increased wages. 
It's to generate more revenue to spend on things for the middle class, such as schools, health care, infrastucure, and so on.
IGNORED!
I never gave you much credit for maturity but I didn't suspect you lacked spine.
He doesn't. He decided to be a part of something bigger than himself. A movement. You should try it.
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Haven't you figured it out yet? NOTHING is bigger than himself.
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if it were possible. Knowingly that the third party cannot be revived during this election year. That Trump should see if Jill will join his cabinet to make sure that everything can still be green on the inside, eventhough she will not be the one that pulls the strings.. But she can be his secretary of the States or someone an Senior Advisor or anything that can help out with Trump's decision making. Trump seem like he is very easily to work with, especially since his daughter is a democrat/ green party person.
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it's a wonderful personal philosophy.
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The idea that the federal govt needs to be in every fucking aspect of our lives is ridiculous, they don't need to control our local school boards, zoning laws or local police or fire. The assumption they should, or even can control these issues with efficiency is nonsense
The assumption that the people can control these issues, of police and emergency services, education, zoning laws, better, without a government (which is the people, by the by) -- that's ridiculous; the government doesn't need to be in every part of our lives, but to think they aren't needed in some parts is absurd. so is having no borders.
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Acting like an adult is always the way to go. It's sad how so few seem to realize that.
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So, am I the first one to be genuinely for Gary Johnson? No I don't agree with him on everything, but I'm 100% behind having an anti drug war and pro peace candidate debate. Not to mention the numerous extra advantages third parties receive in the future for getting a modest turnout.
I have no illusions about Gary winning (but then again, I thought the same about Trump at his rollout). But I have major issues with the two dominant parties and some competition can only be healthy. Freed of petition requirements and given FEC money and FCC airtime, a third party could be a real threat. It's not as if the democrats and republicans extend back to the funding of the republic
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I'm voting Hillary because I believe what we are trying to do is elect the next potus. Right now voting third party is not doing that. This is just reality. Thirdparty is not going to happen(this year anyway and trump must not represent the US. Stakes are just too high) and if it did could anything get through the house/senate. Having said that has anyone seen this?
Peace Spock
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no particular reason, other than, i expect, really, honestly, expected people to just keep going on about Trump or Hilary. i'm glad that's not the case.
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akira_akuma said: no particular reason, other than, i expect, really, honestly, expected people to just keep going on about Trump or Hilary. i'm glad that's not the case.
Right now, they should focus more on Trump than any other parties. Gary doesn't has a chance of winning as the same as Jill.They never has gotten the spot light on them. No one have had the chance to get to know them, they were never a part of the public lives. Probably the next election, that everyone should start to talk about them more than the other parties, to give time for the public to get to know them. But right now, it is a trick , to get all of Bernie's supporters to look towards a third candidate instead of looking at Trump. hillary knows that they doesn't like her, and so she is trying to get them to vote for a brick in the wall just to keep them from supporting Trump.
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Third party candidates are no trick and they don't need to win to make waves. Jill is further left, Johnson is further right. Your vote for Hillary or Trump in a irrelevant state has a vanishingly small impact. A couple thousand votes for Johnson gives his party concrete advantages in the future. The dominant two parties are weak this year, and this is the chance to chip at their duopoly.
Who the hell brainwashes people into thinking there are two people running for president?
I'm surprised at how little conversation there is about Stein and Johnson. I'd almost guarantee most shroomerites align with either of those two than Clinton or Trump.
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DividedQuantum said: I just read that Johnson wants to eliminate income taxes on businesses. I don't see that as making a lot of sense in practical terms. I would have a lot more sympathy for the Libertarian ethos if they weren't so conservative on so many key issues. It is also unrealistic to think government can be shrunk to the level they would like to see. In the modern world, government has a minimum size it can be, and at this point, it's rather sizable. Libertarians just strike me as a little off-base and unrealistic when it comes to some of their policies.
The minimum size of government is none at all. In my ideal world individuals deal with each other directly and as equals, with no man governing over another. On his tax plan, it is frustrating to go to his website and see a blurb and a talking head video. Trump, Johnson, and Stein are all equally vague regarding their proposals, Clinton wipes the floor in this department. Whether she follows through is another thing. the spirit of his argument is "simplification," which is indeed a neo-con standby, but better and more realistic than the incessant call for tax cuts Trump now parrots.
Rather than eliminating the business income tax full stop, I have seen him advocate eliminating the tax on sufficiently small businesses. A business owner with 2 employees pays X% tax on taxable income to Example Inc. and then X% tax on the salary he pays himself (and the 2 employees pay tax). In order to keep the business open and food in his stomach, he requires a larger profit margin than Giganto Corp. with hires an accountant and pays no corporate tax.
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: Crumist]
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*Reddit AMA bump*
Why are we talking about Johnson over in the more popular Stein thread
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: Crumist]
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Johnson doesnt hold a candle to Stein
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Bolagna, he polls at 2-3 times what she does and was actually able to get on the ballot in all 50 states. Stein is hoping to get on 3/4
Imo, Johnson comes off as a humble, down to earth dude who's a bit goofy. Stein s got that hippy, liberal, I know best attitude people complain about. The MD is awesome, but the crystal healing, anti vaxer stuff is off putting.
Johnson and Stein agree on quite a bit though, and their in the same boat (or rather treading water trying to get into the boat) so let's be friends
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: Crumist]
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Johnson may be doing better in the polls but imo he isnt campaigning nearly as well as Stein, he isnt as knowledgeable on the issues and doesnt have his own platform thought out as well.
Not hating on him I just think he clearly isnt as good a fit for what our country needs right now.
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I gotta ask, who is that in your avatar?
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: Crumist]
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Crumist said: I gotta ask, who is that in your avatar?
I believe that it might be this singer.
Or this one.
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: Crumist]
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I dont know much about Gary Johnson. Someone sell him to me. My default is to vote for Jill.
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A popular two term governor of New Mexico (giving him the most executive experience), he left the state with a $1billion budget surplus. Given your support of Stein, I'd imagine you are skeptical of anyone making cuts, but our growing debt is a burden upon every citizen, shrinking the pie of funds available for your favorite program.
Johnson made his first national debut coming out in 1999 during his second run for governor as against marijuana prohibition and the drug war, arguably making him the most powerful elected official to do so.
He made a run for president 4 years ago, first as a Republican, but he dropped out in disgust at the GOP's authoritarian social positions and he won the Libertarian party's nomination. He received a record number of votes for the Libertarian party and the debates between him and Jill Stein also set records.
His political philosophy in four words: socially liberal; fiscally conservative
An supporter of a woman's right to choose, marijuana legalization, shifting to a harm reduction policy on drugs, government's role in protecting the environment, free trade (a TPP supporter, as unpopular as it currently is), a non-interventionist foreign policy, privacy, campaign finance reform and regulation, simplifying legal immigration, simplifying the tax code, LGBT rights, amnesty for Snowden and Assange, criminal and civil justice reform, balancing the budget, warming relations with Iran, Cuba, and China, electoral reform (let the 3rd parties in!!)
He opposes foreign aid to Israel or any foreign nation, the death penalty, eminent domain, surveillance a la USA PATRIOT or PRISM, our gigantic standing army, the drone program, crony capitalism and corporate welfare, quantitative easing, torture
He has the highest human rights score from the ACLU of any of the 4 candidates
I'm omitting some details I dislike myself because you asked for a pitch. With these things I align more closely with Stein, but at the heart of it Johnson seems like the most relatable and earnest of the candidates. The best human being. He also has the more moderate positions and the best chance to make waves and earn the libertarian party advantages to run its candidates in the future. As you learn more about him you may have some knee-jerk opposition to some of the neolib ideas of his as do I, but as backwards as they might seem, he does have a firm ideological basis for them and they bring some much needed sobriety to the election and to the tinfoil hatted Libertarians
You asked for a pitch but it appears I have written a shoddy, propagandist encyclopedia article whoops . If you're still wilth me congratulations for making it though!!
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: Crumist]
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Gary Johnson stuns Morning Joe panel, asks "What is Aleppo?"
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Yeah, I just saw this and but would you hold it against me if I found his fumble endearing? Trump has made much worse errors and gets a pass because hes raging mad about it and his solution is to bomb the hell out of them. And besides, I instinctively come to the aid of anyone being assaulted on their lack of intelligence or ignorance
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: Crumist]
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What does the video have to do with Trump?
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: Crumist]
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Crumist said: Yeah, I just saw this and but would you hold it against me if I found his fumble endearing? Trump has made much worse errors and gets a pass because hes raging mad about it and his solution is to bomb the hell out of them. And besides, I instinctively come to the aid of anyone being assaulted on their lack of intelligence or ignorance 
endearing? BAHAHAHA
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"This morning, I began my day by setting aside any doubt that I’m human. Yes, I understand the dynamics of the Syrian conflict — I talk about them every day. But hit with “What about Aleppo?”, I immediately was thinking about an acronym, not the Syrian conflict. I blanked. It happens, and it will happen again during the course of this campaign.
Can I name every city in Syria? No. Should I have identified Aleppo? Yes. Do I understand its significance? Yes.
As Governor, there were many things I didn’t know off the top of my head. But I succeeded by surrounding myself with the right people, getting to the bottom of important issues, and making principled decisions. It worked. That is what a President must do.
That would begin, clearly, with daily security briefings that, to me, will be fundamental to the job of being President." -Gary Johnson
Trump is relevant because he didn't know what NATO stood for or really was when he said he'd demand money from our allies for occupying them and has admitted as much. He made something up, the press went gaga, and he got another couple hundred grand in free exposure. This was Trump's MO during the GOP debates, and he only became the more popular for it.
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If I was american I might vote for Johnson, not because I would want him for president in particular, but because I could not in good conscience vote for the other two scumbags
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: Ezuma]
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I don't know about you but let's slap them east Koreans around.
They've been fucking with west Korea far too much.
Maybe they will tell us where they are hiding Aleppo
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said: I don't know about you but let's slap them east Koreans around.
They've been fucking with west Korea far too much.
Maybe they will tell us where they are hiding Aleppo
I believes that they are hiding Aleppo in Saigon Japan.
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I like how he tries to recover, it's like we already realized you are a complete fool.
The east Korea shit literally made me lol. These are our elected officials people. Stupider than nascar fans
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#23642024 - 09/13/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The only reference I can find to "East" or "West" Korea is straight up satire mocking him for the fumble on morning Joe.
Lol, you said "stupider"
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: Crumist]
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Crumist said: A popular two term governor of New Mexico (giving him the most executive experience), he left the state with a $1billion budget surplus. Given your support of Stein, I'd imagine you are skeptical of anyone making cuts, but our growing debt is a burden upon every citizen, shrinking the pie of funds available for your favorite program.
Johnson made his first national debut coming out in 1999 during his second run for governor as against marijuana prohibition and the drug war, arguably making him the most powerful elected official to do so.
He made a run for president 4 years ago, first as a Republican, but he dropped out in disgust at the GOP's authoritarian social positions and he won the Libertarian party's nomination. He received a record number of votes for the Libertarian party and the debates between him and Jill Stein also set records.
His political philosophy in four words: socially liberal; fiscally conservative
An supporter of a woman's right to choose, marijuana legalization, shifting to a harm reduction policy on drugs, government's role in protecting the environment, free trade (a TPP supporter, as unpopular as it currently is), a non-interventionist foreign policy, privacy, campaign finance reform and regulation, simplifying legal immigration, simplifying the tax code, LGBT rights, amnesty for Snowden and Assange, criminal and civil justice reform, balancing the budget, warming relations with Iran, Cuba, and China, electoral reform (let the 3rd parties in!!)
He opposes foreign aid to Israel or any foreign nation, the death penalty, eminent domain, surveillance a la USA PATRIOT or PRISM, our gigantic standing army, the drone program, crony capitalism and corporate welfare, quantitative easing, torture
He has the highest human rights score from the ACLU of any of the 4 candidates
I'm omitting some details I dislike myself because you asked for a pitch. With these things I align more closely with Stein, but at the heart of it Johnson seems like the most relatable and earnest of the candidates. The best human being. He also has the more moderate positions and the best chance to make waves and earn the libertarian party advantages to run its candidates in the future. As you learn more about him you may have some knee-jerk opposition to some of the neolib ideas of his as do I, but as backwards as they might seem, he does have a firm ideological basis for them and they bring some much needed sobriety to the election and to the tinfoil hatted Libertarians
You asked for a pitch but it appears I have written a shoddy, propagandist encyclopedia article whoops . If you're still wilth me congratulations for making it though!!
hey man, thanks for that I really appreciate your response!! 
an interesting read. I like the sound of him. I wonder where he clashes with Stein besides the tpp.
Can you or someone talk about why Gary Johnson is a bad choice?
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Tipote said: Can you or someone talk about why Gary Johnson is a bad choice?
Well for one thing, he wants to cut the federal budget by 43%, in every area, across the board. That could be pretty dangerous.
He wants to end the federal corporate income tax and reduce taxes across the board to near-zero levels. That might sound good, but it has the potential to be fiscally irresponsible. Taxes are at their lowest now since Truman, and there are very few indicators that taxes are too high. Going below this doesn't seem smart to me.
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Due to his stance on taxes, David Weigel described him as "the original Tea Party candidate"
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Johnson does not support any action by government to mitigate Global Warming stating: “In a healthy economy that allows the market to function unimpeded, consumers, innovators and personal choices will ultimately bring about the environmental restoration and protection society desires”
^Typical conservative bullshit, really.
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He believes government should foster the free market by allowing businesses freedom to compete without restrictions
More conservative nonsense. I think we all know that the private sector is far too irresponsible to regulate itself!
And he has no solution on healthcare, none.
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Johnson opposes public funding of stem cell research, and instead "should only be completed by private laboratories that operate without federal funding"
Other than all that, he is somewhat socially liberal (though fiscally conservative). I don't support him, but he is at least an interesting candidate.
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: Crumist]
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Crumist said: The only reference I can find to "East" or "West" Korea is straight up satire mocking him for the fumble on morning Joe.
Lol, you said "stupider" 
Lol you want to vote libertarian for a guy that doesn't even know the basics of the most relevant event of international importance.
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: elax420]
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Btw if u gunna grammir not see
Atleast b rite plz!
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: elax420]
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voted for Gary Johnson before. This year, Trump, believe me.
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said: Lol you want to vote libertarian for a guy that doesn't even know the basics of the most relevant event of international importance.
St00pud
Yeah, not knowing what the word "Aleppo" meant is I think perhaps at least touching the line around unforgivable.
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i think it's funny that people continue to let whom they believe are morons run for president, instead of taking the lead.
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This guy's fucking awesome. 
Gary Johnson: "I’m Having An Aleppo Moment"

Gary Johnson sticks tongue out while talking during interview
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elax420 said: Lol you want to vote libertarian for a guy that doesn't even know the basics of the most relevant event of international importance.
St00pud
Yeah, not knowing what the word "Aleppo" meant is I think perhaps at least touching the line around unforgivable.
I mean being completely unaware of the largest human rights crisis the world is facing isn't a good look.
Especially when you are a rich guy that talks about lowering taxes on the rich
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: elax420]
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Gary only has two thing on his mind....

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