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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: Crumist]
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Johnson may be doing better in the polls but imo he isnt campaigning nearly as well as Stein, he isnt as knowledgeable on the issues and doesnt have his own platform thought out as well.
Not hating on him I just think he clearly isnt as good a fit for what our country needs right now.
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I gotta ask, who is that in your avatar?
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: Crumist]
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Crumist said: I gotta ask, who is that in your avatar?
I believe that it might be this singer.
Or this one.
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: Crumist]
#23624828 - 09/08/16 06:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dont know much about Gary Johnson. Someone sell him to me. My default is to vote for Jill.
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A popular two term governor of New Mexico (giving him the most executive experience), he left the state with a $1billion budget surplus. Given your support of Stein, I'd imagine you are skeptical of anyone making cuts, but our growing debt is a burden upon every citizen, shrinking the pie of funds available for your favorite program.
Johnson made his first national debut coming out in 1999 during his second run for governor as against marijuana prohibition and the drug war, arguably making him the most powerful elected official to do so.
He made a run for president 4 years ago, first as a Republican, but he dropped out in disgust at the GOP's authoritarian social positions and he won the Libertarian party's nomination. He received a record number of votes for the Libertarian party and the debates between him and Jill Stein also set records.
His political philosophy in four words: socially liberal; fiscally conservative
An supporter of a woman's right to choose, marijuana legalization, shifting to a harm reduction policy on drugs, government's role in protecting the environment, free trade (a TPP supporter, as unpopular as it currently is), a non-interventionist foreign policy, privacy, campaign finance reform and regulation, simplifying legal immigration, simplifying the tax code, LGBT rights, amnesty for Snowden and Assange, criminal and civil justice reform, balancing the budget, warming relations with Iran, Cuba, and China, electoral reform (let the 3rd parties in!!)
He opposes foreign aid to Israel or any foreign nation, the death penalty, eminent domain, surveillance a la USA PATRIOT or PRISM, our gigantic standing army, the drone program, crony capitalism and corporate welfare, quantitative easing, torture
He has the highest human rights score from the ACLU of any of the 4 candidates
I'm omitting some details I dislike myself because you asked for a pitch. With these things I align more closely with Stein, but at the heart of it Johnson seems like the most relatable and earnest of the candidates. The best human being. He also has the more moderate positions and the best chance to make waves and earn the libertarian party advantages to run its candidates in the future. As you learn more about him you may have some knee-jerk opposition to some of the neolib ideas of his as do I, but as backwards as they might seem, he does have a firm ideological basis for them and they bring some much needed sobriety to the election and to the tinfoil hatted Libertarians
You asked for a pitch but it appears I have written a shoddy, propagandist encyclopedia article whoops . If you're still wilth me congratulations for making it though!!
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: Crumist]
#23627127 - 09/08/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gary Johnson stuns Morning Joe panel, asks "What is Aleppo?"
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Yeah, I just saw this and but would you hold it against me if I found his fumble endearing? Trump has made much worse errors and gets a pass because hes raging mad about it and his solution is to bomb the hell out of them. And besides, I instinctively come to the aid of anyone being assaulted on their lack of intelligence or ignorance
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: Crumist]
#23627172 - 09/08/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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What does the video have to do with Trump?
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: Crumist]
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Crumist said: Yeah, I just saw this and but would you hold it against me if I found his fumble endearing? Trump has made much worse errors and gets a pass because hes raging mad about it and his solution is to bomb the hell out of them. And besides, I instinctively come to the aid of anyone being assaulted on their lack of intelligence or ignorance 
endearing? BAHAHAHA
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"This morning, I began my day by setting aside any doubt that I’m human. Yes, I understand the dynamics of the Syrian conflict — I talk about them every day. But hit with “What about Aleppo?”, I immediately was thinking about an acronym, not the Syrian conflict. I blanked. It happens, and it will happen again during the course of this campaign.
Can I name every city in Syria? No. Should I have identified Aleppo? Yes. Do I understand its significance? Yes.
As Governor, there were many things I didn’t know off the top of my head. But I succeeded by surrounding myself with the right people, getting to the bottom of important issues, and making principled decisions. It worked. That is what a President must do.
That would begin, clearly, with daily security briefings that, to me, will be fundamental to the job of being President." -Gary Johnson
Trump is relevant because he didn't know what NATO stood for or really was when he said he'd demand money from our allies for occupying them and has admitted as much. He made something up, the press went gaga, and he got another couple hundred grand in free exposure. This was Trump's MO during the GOP debates, and he only became the more popular for it.
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#23638718 - 09/12/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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If I was american I might vote for Johnson, not because I would want him for president in particular, but because I could not in good conscience vote for the other two scumbags
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: Ezuma]
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I don't know about you but let's slap them east Koreans around.
They've been fucking with west Korea far too much.
Maybe they will tell us where they are hiding Aleppo
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said: I don't know about you but let's slap them east Koreans around.
They've been fucking with west Korea far too much.
Maybe they will tell us where they are hiding Aleppo
I believes that they are hiding Aleppo in Saigon Japan.
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I like how he tries to recover, it's like we already realized you are a complete fool.
The east Korea shit literally made me lol. These are our elected officials people. Stupider than nascar fans
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#23642024 - 09/13/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The only reference I can find to "East" or "West" Korea is straight up satire mocking him for the fumble on morning Joe.
Lol, you said "stupider"
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Re: The Gary Johnson Thread [Re: Crumist]
#23655300 - 09/18/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crumist said: A popular two term governor of New Mexico (giving him the most executive experience), he left the state with a $1billion budget surplus. Given your support of Stein, I'd imagine you are skeptical of anyone making cuts, but our growing debt is a burden upon every citizen, shrinking the pie of funds available for your favorite program.
Johnson made his first national debut coming out in 1999 during his second run for governor as against marijuana prohibition and the drug war, arguably making him the most powerful elected official to do so.
He made a run for president 4 years ago, first as a Republican, but he dropped out in disgust at the GOP's authoritarian social positions and he won the Libertarian party's nomination. He received a record number of votes for the Libertarian party and the debates between him and Jill Stein also set records.
His political philosophy in four words: socially liberal; fiscally conservative
An supporter of a woman's right to choose, marijuana legalization, shifting to a harm reduction policy on drugs, government's role in protecting the environment, free trade (a TPP supporter, as unpopular as it currently is), a non-interventionist foreign policy, privacy, campaign finance reform and regulation, simplifying legal immigration, simplifying the tax code, LGBT rights, amnesty for Snowden and Assange, criminal and civil justice reform, balancing the budget, warming relations with Iran, Cuba, and China, electoral reform (let the 3rd parties in!!)
He opposes foreign aid to Israel or any foreign nation, the death penalty, eminent domain, surveillance a la USA PATRIOT or PRISM, our gigantic standing army, the drone program, crony capitalism and corporate welfare, quantitative easing, torture
He has the highest human rights score from the ACLU of any of the 4 candidates
I'm omitting some details I dislike myself because you asked for a pitch. With these things I align more closely with Stein, but at the heart of it Johnson seems like the most relatable and earnest of the candidates. The best human being. He also has the more moderate positions and the best chance to make waves and earn the libertarian party advantages to run its candidates in the future. As you learn more about him you may have some knee-jerk opposition to some of the neolib ideas of his as do I, but as backwards as they might seem, he does have a firm ideological basis for them and they bring some much needed sobriety to the election and to the tinfoil hatted Libertarians
You asked for a pitch but it appears I have written a shoddy, propagandist encyclopedia article whoops . If you're still wilth me congratulations for making it though!!
hey man, thanks for that I really appreciate your response!! 
an interesting read. I like the sound of him. I wonder where he clashes with Stein besides the tpp.
Can you or someone talk about why Gary Johnson is a bad choice?
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#23655466 - 09/18/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tipote said: Can you or someone talk about why Gary Johnson is a bad choice?
Well for one thing, he wants to cut the federal budget by 43%, in every area, across the board. That could be pretty dangerous.
He wants to end the federal corporate income tax and reduce taxes across the board to near-zero levels. That might sound good, but it has the potential to be fiscally irresponsible. Taxes are at their lowest now since Truman, and there are very few indicators that taxes are too high. Going below this doesn't seem smart to me.
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Due to his stance on taxes, David Weigel described him as "the original Tea Party candidate"
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Johnson does not support any action by government to mitigate Global Warming stating: “In a healthy economy that allows the market to function unimpeded, consumers, innovators and personal choices will ultimately bring about the environmental restoration and protection society desires”
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He believes government should foster the free market by allowing businesses freedom to compete without restrictions
More conservative nonsense. I think we all know that the private sector is far too irresponsible to regulate itself!
And he has no solution on healthcare, none.
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Johnson opposes public funding of stem cell research, and instead "should only be completed by private laboratories that operate without federal funding"
Other than all that, he is somewhat socially liberal (though fiscally conservative). I don't support him, but he is at least an interesting candidate.
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