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First grow (PFTek, SGFC) - things are going suspiciously well...
    #23479143 - 07/26/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hi Shroomery!

(jump to ":laugh:" to skip the introduction)

I've been lurking for the past two months or so, excited by this new hobby, overwhelmed by all the information available, happy to see how friendly everyone is. I would like to start by thanking everyone around here for being part of all this: I really don't know where I would be without you!

I am from a quiet little corner of Eastern Europe, and as the subject says, this is my first attempt at growing cubensis. I did my research, spent countless hours reading, researching, taking notes, figuring things out. It took me a while to realize how much a few years count in this hobby, and it took me even longer to find out which findings/notes were actually outdated. A week or so into my research I have abandoned all other sites, and ever since that, Google reminds me every time I open my browser that Shroomery has become something of a second home for me.

It is a weird feeling, being a part of a family that doesn't even know that I exist. I felt like a lurker in the bad sense, in a kind of creepy way. I thought to myself I should not start asking questions that had already been answered, and I really shouldn't post just for the sake of posting. In a somewhat pessimistic way I thought that sooner than later I would definitely make a mistake, get into some cultivation-trouble, screw something up, that I would not be able to explain something and that I would need your help, and that would be the occasion to break my uncomfortable silence...

As you might have guessed, nothing like that happened. Exactly one month ago today, with a gentle push on a syringe I have started my journey into the world of growing, and things have been going suspiciously well ever since. I've tried to follow the teks of my choice diligently and accurately, not cutting (too many) corners like I usually do when I am doing everything else. As the days passed, my interest had become more of an obsession. I couldn't help myself: every single day I would say hello to my jars (glasses, to be more accurate - more on this later) in the morning, see how they were developing, following the growing mycelium day after day. Same thing in the evening after work, and from time to time they even followed me into my dreams. It was, and still is a peculiarly strong connection, and I am not even sure if I will be able to eat them, when the time comes. Hmm, I guess that will not be a problem, now that I think about it again:)

Mushrooms do bring up a lot of good memories, too. I was living in Indonesia for a while some years ago, and I remember waiting for the rainy season, when my favorite mushrooms would show up in the jungles of Bali. Just the thought of the good times make me smile... (((By the way, does anyone know what kinds of psychedelic mushrooms grow there? I am pretty sure it is not cubensis... Also I think I am not supposed to ask about strains here, but I think this is not the situation that the rule was made to avoid)))

I kept thinking about shrooms, looking at them, reading about them, talking to and about them, and after a while my girlfriend actually started to pretend being a mushroom so that I would care about her more than I care about shrooms. That episode really made me think.

So here I am, writing my first post, fueled by a tiny bit of worry that I have, and because of the "why not" feeling that I started having today. Sorry about not keeping it short, I guess at the end of the day I am kind of writing all this to myself also, not only to you, dear Shroomery Reader and/or Contributor!

Here is a yellow, smiling face:
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I've tried to follow the original PF tek, and later building a proper SGFC. Here are some experiences that could be interesting or useful, in a more or less chronological order:

1) Not being able to find appropriate jars here in Eastern Europe, I've decided to use two beautiful whisky glasses and layers of tin foil.

2) I've started with two, half pint whisky glasses with vermiculite, BRF and water. Why two? I think just because it felt right. I guess I am already trying to avoid looking like a "Mushroom factory". I remember using some outdated information about the proportions, too, and ended up using somewhat less BRF - maybe thats why my cakes colonized so fast?

3) I did use a pressure cooker that has no indicator of the actual pressure inside - everything worked out fine.

4) Another piece of outdated info that I have used is that I kept the inoculated jars in a dark corner, instead of leaving them exposed to ambient light. I did take them out to take a good look every day or so, though:)

5) Accidentally pushing the syringe too hard, through the first hole of the first cake I've injected a whole ml of spores, so I ended up using 2ml of spores on that first cake, and 1ml on the second one. It didnt seem to make a difference in terms of colonization speed. Now one of the cakes is fruiting and the other is not, but I don't know which is which anymore. I guess it doesn't matter.

6) The first white spots appeared surprisingly fast, less than 36 hours after inocculation.

7) Full colonization took around two weeks, and I they kept consolidating for almost another two, so that I could time the BIRTHDAY (I love this phrase:)) so that I could be near the newborns for the next few days.

8) I've bought a 25cm x 30cm x 20cm box (sorry, I don't believe in inches) for a fruiting chamber, for the same reason I only did two cakes. A bigger one just looked like something that is part of something that is more than a hobby.

9) Although I just LOVE the metric system, it did cause me some headache, as you can't buy 1/4in drill bits here, which accounts to 6,35 millimeter. I ended up buying the 6mm bit, but that 0,3mm difference (the diameter of three thick hairs) between my SGFC holes and the standard ones still keeps me up at night sometimes. Can someone please assure me that it is OK?

10) Dunking: I forgot that the water should be cold and that some people use ice cubes and whatnot to keep it cold. I just used cool tap water, which must have warmed up during the 24 hours. I think I got away with this - so far.

11) Speaking of temperatures: we have a nice summer going on here, so during colonization and now during fruiting the temperature in the flat fluctuates between 26 and 30 degrees, so it seldom goes above 85 F. I can't really control this, and the shrooms don't seem to mind

12) Lights: as I said before, colonization happened in darkness, and for fruiting all I do is leeet the sunshine (ambient light) in! I might buy a fancy light bulb at one pint, but I figured around 12h of natural light a day should be ok, although...

13)...pins seem to grow only on the "Dark side of the cake", the one farther away from the window. Maybe this is by accident though. Being a sociologist who used to be good at statistical analysis, I believe that the sample size of 7 pins on a single cake is not a big enough sample to jump to conclusions.

14) Misting is something that is hard to master in theory. I have a feeling that even though I follow the guidelines, I might be overwatering my cakes. I have too much love to give. I think I will try to cut back on it.

15) The cakes smell absolutely amazing.

16) For the first 24h after dunking and rolling, they smelled like lemon cakes for me, which I found odd. The otherwise rather pleasant smell did disappear in a day, and now I think that it had only happened in my head.

Finally, here are some pictures of the setup. I would be really grateful for some feedback!



First pic: the first two shrooms. They look kind of deformed and unhealthy for me. What do you think? (They've been in the sgfc for 10 days now. I've discovered the first pins appeared 6 days ago)



Second pic: one of the smaller, newer specimen. I find the white dots on the tiny caps beautiful, but something tells me they are not supposed to be there (the others have them too)



Third pic: my sgfc, which is small, and I like it that way. I am still worried about the 6mm holes.




Fourth pic: the setup. Comfortably far from the floor, not very far from the wall, but close to the portrait of my grandmother's twin sister's portrait. It gets quite a lot of light. What do you think?


Thanks for reading and thanks for the comments in advance!

It is really nice to be here:)


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Re: First grow (PFTek, SGFC) - things are going suspiciously well... [Re: Lame Duck]
    #23479184 - 07/26/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Dunk water should not be cold, cubes, being a tropical species, would hate the fuck out of that.  70-75F is prime temp for all stages of growing.  The fancy lightbulbs you're talking about are like a dollar each, no reason not to use one on 12/12.  If you're using sunlight as your primary light source and pins are only forming on the dark side of the cake, then the sun is drying out your cakes on one side, while the fruits do indeed look slightly overmisted.


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Re: First grow (PFTek, SGFC) - things are going suspiciously well... [Re: Inocuole]
    #23479253 - 07/26/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I don't have any advice right now but I'm posting because I'm currently doing my first PF-TEK in a SGFC too! I'm going to keep an eye on this thread and maybe we can help each other :smile:

I'm doing 4 cakes but two of them are barely doing anything.  Lol. I'll post a few pics tomorrow.

Good luck!


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Re: First grow (PFTek, SGFC) - things are going suspiciously well... [Re: Cosmos.Trip]
    #23480702 - 07/26/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Lol did you just post to tell him you don't have any advice for him?


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Re: First grow (PFTek, SGFC) - things are going suspiciously well... [Re: Inocuole]
    #23480714 - 07/26/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm gonna be totally honest. . . I didn't read any of that. TL;DR



Quote:

Inocuole said:
Dunk water should not be cold, cubes, being a tropical species, would hate the fuck out of that.  70-75F is prime temp for all stages of growing.  The fancy lightbulbs you're talking about are like a dollar each, no reason not to use one on 12/12.  If you're using sunlight as your primary light source and pins are only forming on the dark side of the cake, then the sun is drying out your cakes on one side, while the fruits do indeed look slightly overmisted.




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Re: First grow (PFTek, SGFC) - things are going suspiciously well... [Re: Inocuole]
    #23481282 - 07/27/16 05:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Inocuole said:
Dunk water should not be cold, cubes, being a tropical species, would hate the fuck out of that.  70-75F is prime temp for all stages of growing.  The fancy lightbulbs you're talking about are like a dollar each, no reason not to use one on 12/12.  If you're using sunlight as your primary light source and pins are only forming on the dark side of the cake, then the sun is drying out your cakes on one side, while the fruits do indeed look slightly overmisted.





Thanks for the advice!

About dunking: It makes perfect sense, if you put it this way. I remember some argument about cold water being good against contamination, but probably it was one of those random/outdated threads... thanks for clarifying!

About the lightbulb: you are probably right, it is just that I am attracted to the thought of doing things "natural" - if they are getting 12hours of indirect sunlight, why would I replace that with 12h of something that imitates that? Still, I am going to take your advice, thanks again!

About overmisting: I am restraining myself from now on, let's see how it works out:)


Cosmos.Trip OK, let me know how you are doing, I am sure we can learn from each other!


-How about the setup: do you guys think that the fc is getting ample air flow?

-The white dots on the caps are normal and I shouldnt be worried about them?

I am making some new cakes tonight, following the more up to date proportions of 2:1:1 verm/brf/water. I have a plastic spider that lives in my fridge which I am tempted to add to the mix for good luck, is there a reason I should not do it that I didnt think of?

Thanks!


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Re: First grow (PFTek, SGFC) - things are going suspiciously well... [Re: Inocuole]
    #23481399 - 07/27/16 06:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No! I posted to say we are in the same boat so we can probably share advice as our grows progress.  Also it was like 1 am my time so I posted as a reminder to myself about this thread :p


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Re: First grow (PFTek, SGFC) - things are going suspiciously well... [Re: Cosmos.Trip]
    #23481453 - 07/27/16 07:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Looks like things are going pretty good for you I just grew my first batch off the of cakes as well. In my opinion they are very easy to take care of with some restraint. How every I did a straight MS innco and didn't realize it was like a cheap shoot. Ate shroom after shroom wondering what was gonna happen and nothing. So Monday I'm buying a 22 quart mirro PC off amazon for 60 bucks and will start my adventure on agar to isolate a strain. Thanks to the links provided around here I learned more after doing the MS syringe and believe I'm on the right path now. Agar is the only way from what I have read.


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Re: First grow (PFTek, SGFC) - things are going suspiciously well... [Re: Lame Duck]
    #23481517 - 07/27/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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About the lightbulb: you are probably right, it is just that I am attracted to the thought of doing things "natural" - if they are getting 12hours of indirect sunlight, why would I replace that with 12h of something that imitates that? Still, I am going to take your advice, thanks again!




We're here to beat nature, not imitate it.  Ever seen this outside?



Sunlight is great in small amounts but too much dries out your substrate or, at worst, cooks it.  Direct cool intense light is great.  Great for taking pictures in too.


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Re: First grow (PFTek, SGFC) - things are going suspiciously well... [Re: Cosmos.Trip]
    #23481524 - 07/27/16 07:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Welcome to the Shroomery. The white dots are normal. Mist as needed not on a schedule, usually 2-3 times a day is enough but it depends. The fruits do look over misted, can't tell from the pic but make sure you have bottom holes and the tub is elivated off the surface it's sitting on so air can flow through the bottom holes.

Don't care how many cakes you are growing if you are growing cakes you are still a hobbyist, hell even with several monotubs we are still hobbyists. If you want to see what a full size professional mushroom grow looks like check out the edible forum. :goodluck:

Hippi, agar is the way to go for consistency but hardly no one does transfers until they have an isolate. The #1 benefit is having a clean inoculant to produce clean spawn. The quickest way to consistent results is after doing a couple transfers from the original plate you still have a multistrain culture. Drop it to grain and grow it out, take a few clones grow them out and test them for performance/potentcy. Keep the ones you like, repeat.


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Re: First grow (PFTek, SGFC) - things are going suspiciously well... [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23481618 - 07/27/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So just doing transfers from a multistrain till a get an isolate and then dropping won't make them potent? Or will it? Haven't got a found a good answer to that yet I'm just looking for a little bit of potency. The multi spore injection I did I came up with nothing but some bunk shrooms


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Re: First grow (PFTek, SGFC) - things are going suspiciously well... [Re: xPTxHIPPIe]
    #23481639 - 07/27/16 08:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No, because you could accidentally isolate something shitty.  You have to test your cultures before you know what they'll do.


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Re: First grow (PFTek, SGFC) - things are going suspiciously well... [Re: Inocuole]
    #23481649 - 07/27/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Wow well that's changed a lot. I got alotta work to do before I can get a good shroom it seems


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Re: First grow (PFTek, SGFC) - things are going suspiciously well... [Re: xPTxHIPPIe]
    #23481684 - 07/27/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What are the chances of isolating something shotty?


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Re: First grow (PFTek, SGFC) - things are going suspiciously well... [Re: xPTxHIPPIe]
    #23481731 - 07/27/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It is definitely possible to isolate something shitty and isolating from spores can take a lot of time and transfers then has to be tested. I would say start with agar, do a couple transfers, grow it out and clone from clusters. A couple transfers to make sure clones are clean and grow them to test for potency/yeild. This would be much faster and better odds and finding what you are looking for, not an isolate but narrowed down genetics with consistency. Plus you will have mushrooms faster and though possible, I doubt you would have two bunk ms grows in a row.


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Re: First grow (PFTek, SGFC) - things are going suspiciously well... [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23481741 - 07/27/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Lol b+ and golden teacher bunk ms grows I have a third Argentina then I still have a b+ syringe which I plan to isolate multiple from. I'm thinking maybe 4 or 5 different isolation then grow them all out on trays or something in my sgfc while keeping track of which one came from which culture and just do eating test of an 1/8th or so.


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Re: First grow (PFTek, SGFC) - things are going suspiciously well... [Re: xPTxHIPPIe]
    #23482299 - 07/27/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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We're here to beat nature, not imitate it.




Fair enough, Inocuole:)

Otherwise, to be honest I am kind of losing you guys, but as soon as the summer is over, I will dive into this whole famous agar/LC/grain world, and I will surely end up with so many shrooms I will fill a bag with it and use it as a pillow! (I just love the smell)

Until then, pf+sgfc and cheering for my eight tiny shrooms it is!:smile:

Another question: Is it a feasible idea to inoculate some cakes and leave them for four weeks before I birth them? I will be away from home for that long, and based on my little experience in 4 weeks they will be waaay past the 7 day consolidation... or is there a simple way to slow colonization down?

Thanks again everyone!


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Re: First grow (PFTek, SGFC) - things are going suspiciously well... [Re: xPTxHIPPIe]
    #23483351 - 07/27/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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What are the chances of isolating something shotty?




1-2 in 10 isolates won't fruit at all. 3 or 4 in ten will be garbage. 3 or 4 will be okay. Maybe one in 10 will be kick ass. 1 in 100 will be unfuckingbelievable.

It's easier to clone. Do a bunch of ms grows, take a bunch of clones (like 6 at least) and test those. You should find something decent to grow while you look for better.


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Re: First grow (PFTek, SGFC) - things are going suspiciously well... [Re: Inocuole]
    #23483433 - 07/27/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Ever seen this outside?






Never.












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Re: First grow (PFTek, SGFC) - things are going suspiciously well... [Re: Adden]
    #23483523 - 07/27/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

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Ever seen this outside?






Never.















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