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Best operating system?
    #23478353 - 07/26/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So recently a laptop of mine was upgraded to Windows 10 where I learned that, even though my laptop has a built-in dvd player, I could no longer use it unless I paid for an app that let me play dvd's. I went through the trouble of calling up Microsoft to tell them to fuck themselves and that they wouldn't be getting anymore of my money again.

So I'm considering Linux. Suggestions on versions and other operating systems?


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Re: Best operating system? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23478378 - 07/26/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i recently bought a spare laptop to fuck around with, hopefully learn some language.  i went with linux-mint as it's right out of the box ready-to-go;  lots of good reviews

i'm tempted to swap out for something simplified, that way i have to put effort into learning how to install programs and make things work/communicate


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Re: Best operating system? [Re: demiu5]
    #23478572 - 07/26/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ubuntu is probably the best one for beginners.

I have Debian w/ 'Awesome window manager'. Debian is a little more difficult, sort of. You can sometimes have to spend a little time learning how to manually configure some things. Installing and getting some programs to work can be a little time consuming sometimes but if you want to spend time learning that stuff it's good.


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Re: Best operating system? [Re: Kush_Zombie] * 2
    #23478906 - 07/26/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Built-in DVD video playback is really very tangential functionality for an operating system. I would not give it major consideration when deciding which OS to use. Linux is good, especially for servers, but so is Windows, especially for gaming. You can install VLC for free on any OS and it will play DVDs just fine.


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Re: Best operating system? [Re: Ythan]
    #23478952 - 07/26/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, it's not really the DVD player that's the issue, I just think that's a really shitty thing for the company to do. I could be overreacting but I get tired of every single thing having to have a price tag these days so it's mostly just the fact that I don't want to deal with Microsoft in general for their business practices.

And also, I feel like a celebrity just posted on my thread  :girlishjoy:


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What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.


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Re: Best operating system? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23478968 - 07/26/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Go with Linux. Learn all about GNU/Free Software. Feel like a Revolutionary just by not using evil proprietary software. :cool:


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Re: Best operating system? [Re: mctaveesh]
    #23479304 - 07/26/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It depends on what you want, if it's a laptop I'd suggest going with a flavour of linux, ubuntu is quite popular. I like linux mint as in comparison, it does a lot of things right. No linux is perfect, your milage my vary. There's plenty to choose from.

I use windows 7 for playing games and I'm trying out steam OS on my other games PC. I like PC gaming, I have tried consoles in the past but eh.

Ythan is right though, you can use VLC to play any and all media without having to pay a penny.


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Re: Best operating system? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23479386 - 07/26/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I did this as well this past year. I would go with something like Mint or Ubuntu, or maybe an Ubuntu spin-off like Xubuntu,etc. Those should work out of the box and have all the shit you're used to. People's main gripe with Linux used to be the lack of support for games, but a ton of stuff seems to be available on it now. Oh, and drivers, but it's actually been a lot easier to deal with drivers than it was on Windows. Anyway, pick a distro and then from there just play with it and try to use the terminal and learn more about how everything works, and you can get a little more hands on down the line. You could keep Windows on a separate drive, or just partition your Windows drive and dual-boot.

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demiu5 said:
i'm tempted to swap out for something simplified, that way i have to put effort into learning how to install programs and make things work/communicate





When I set up a new computer I might try "Linux From Scratch". http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
And I'm thinking about putting just the kernel and enough packages to have a bash shell with all the normal commands on a Raspberry Pi, and then just adding whatever packages I actually need from there.


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Re: Best operating system? [Re: John Nada]
    #23483503 - 07/27/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I got fed up with steam OS limitations (can't create a secondary steam library on a seperate drive, no easy way to share files from windows/steamos) so I installed windows 10 on it, despite knowing all the data mining and security concerns.

It's a bit like linux now in that things just work with it. Installed wireless, lan, sound, graphics, then hdmi sound as well.


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Re: Best operating system? [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #23483783 - 07/27/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Windows pretty much mandatory if you want to do any serious gaming. Windows 7 is the best imo, pirate it stick one to them and call it good :pirate:
Win8 was a steaming pile of shit and Win10 isn't much better and the lure of DX12 hasn't really been felt yet.
Linux is fantastic if you want ultimate control over your PC and if you want to learn programming and stuff.
For the best of both worlds... dual boot. I run Win7 64 Ultimate on my primary partition and have a second drive running Debian. You can also run Linux on a bootable flash drive.
Anyway Linux is great, but it's not so great for gaming. I mean I know you can play a lot of games on Linux but there's also a lot you can't play. That's not its focus.


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Re: Best operating system? [Re: Shroomism]
    #23531421 - 08/11/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm running Lubuntu on most things.  Unity is a bloated pos that drives me nuts.  Maybe some day it will evolve into something I like.

Firewall is running untangle and is virtualized on a lubuntu box which also has a virtual web server, asterisk server and I think 4 physical network cards and several subnets.  I'm running virtual box for that.  Meh.. should be KVM or something but I'm lazy. 

VPN's are run through OpenVPN.

I probably have 40 boxes at clients running lubuntu, asterisk, freepbx, untangle, SMB, and whatnot.  They're the only thing that seems to work now days without a headache.

Steam works, played games with it.  Not much of a gamer and my $50 video card isn't exactly impressive.  Controllers were a pain in the ass.

The raspberry pi's run Raspbian and are programmed using perldancer 2, sqlite, and apache2 proxied to access dancer.  And a whole bunch of perl modules.

Windows?  God what an annoying piece of shit.  I think Microsoft's new plan is to make it so fucked up to support that you have to buy server and set up active directory or you get buried in endless user support issues.  Like their wonderful fucked up choice to switch everyones pdf viewer to edge after the windows 10 upgrade and then hide the original IE icon.  This resulted in no less than 50 service calls from people freaking out.  I can't print pdf's, all my bookmarks are gone, bla bla bla.  Hiding the administrator account, that was a nice touch also.  Turns out, most people don't know their fucking passwords and in some cases were completely locked out.

The good news from all of this...  I'm now selling four+ linux machines to one windows and getting back very good feedback.

The current mood is that everyone is pretty pissed with Microsoft.  As it turns out, the average business user just wants to use their computer to do their work.  They don't want to relearn everything and spend their time hunting for internet explorer because edge is all fucked up.  They don't want to learn a new start menu which seems to be damn near worthless. 

Near as I can tell, Linux is fantastic if you're 70 years old and you just want your fucking computer to work without endless fucking around.  The older users seem to do great with it.

Microsoft has done a hell of a job shooting themselves in the foot.  I'm hoping some day they will just give up on windows as a desktop os and release it as open source so the world can fix it.


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Re: Best operating system? [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23531523 - 08/11/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Depends on your priorities. Its much easier to tell what are the worst operating systems, namely any that are proprietary or withhold the source code from the user encouraging vendor lock in and disempowerment/control of their user base. This is followed by those that create so many abstractions that the distinction between developer and user is increased to the point that an army of help fiends is created, those who can not or will not be able to ever help themselves and require someone to spoon feed them.


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Re: Best operating system? [Re: John Nada]
    #23532108 - 08/11/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I did this as well this past year. I would go with something like Mint or Ubuntu, or maybe an Ubuntu spin-off like Xubuntu,etc. Those should work out of the box and have all the shit you're used to. People's main gripe with Linux used to be the lack of support for games, but a ton of stuff seems to be available on it now. Oh, and drivers, but it's actually been a lot easier to deal with drivers than it was on Windows. Anyway, pick a distro and then from there just play with it and try to use the terminal and learn more about how everything works, and you can get a little more hands on down the line. You could keep Windows on a separate drive, or just partition your Windows drive and dual-boot.




Pretty much all of the games I want to play work on slackware and most of the ones that don't are cpu limitations. Apparently my amd cpu is not quite powerful enough for programs like dolphin-emu.

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When I set up a new computer I might try "Linux From Scratch". http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
And I'm thinking about putting just the kernel and enough packages to have a bash shell with all the normal commands on a Raspberry Pi, and then just adding whatever packages I actually need from there.




Honestly that is kind of a waste of time and puts a big burden on the user to manage it when plenty of mature & simple methods already exist, however if you really want to try it I would suggest trying the slackware from scratch method where the lfs book is followed, but using pkgtools along with slackware build scripts. This makes managing it far easier when you can simply use a host slackware system with installpkg/removepkg --root.  Alternatively you could use sourcemage, its a distro where all the tedious parts are covered by bash scripts while presenting you all the upstream defaults and upfront configuration for the user to decide. Or as they put it themselves.

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We're a distribution for people who are tired of distributions making decisions for them and having to debug patch side effects and undo custom configurations. In much the same way that C provides an open wrapper around assembly language, we see ourselves as an open wrapper around LFS. We are the distribution for LFS users who are willing to let a package manager at least automate the "download and ./configure && make && make install" part of the process, but not willing to lose any other control.



http://sourcemage.org/Comparison%20with%20Gentoo

Otherwise you can be lazy like me and just use distros such as slackware, gentoo or crux. Freebsd and openbsd are worth looking at as well.


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Re: Best operating system? [Re: Byrain]
    #23542022 - 08/14/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Linux is a programmers operating system. If you are a DIYer you will fall in love with it.

There are many distributions out there. You should find out what hardware your laptop has(mainly the graphics card or chip but also lan/wifi/sound cards if applicable,.. etc) because driver support can be very frustrating.
You can choose proprietary drivers if you want but the support and stability may be pretty awful, depending on the hardware obviously. Reverse engineered drivers are sometimes an option, too.

Some distributions try to solve that all for you and a lot do a really great job at it. But if you choose the wrong one you'll have to figure it out on your own. I use Fedora on my 2013ish lenovo laptop. It's pretty great if you are a minimalist and driver support for my laptop has been fantastic. I would suggest running a live CD first because it is very simple straight out of the box.


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Re: Best operating system? [Re: Oggy]
    #23564309 - 08/21/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

"Linux is a programmers operating system. If you are a DIYer you will fall in love with it."

Yes, programmers love it because it was made for programmers.

However, I find it is an idiots operating system, or at least a computer idiots operating system.  If you want to check email, write letters, edit/crop photos, watch movies, rip dvd's and stuff like that and you don't want to fuck around with the endlessly fucked up windows stuff it may be the OS for you.

I have introduced countless novice computer users to linux. Then I watch what happens.  A percentage hate it and are willing to buy new computer to use windows.  A much larger percentage, maybe 70%+ in short order become very anti windows and refuse to use windows ever again.

Microsoft has done a pretty good job of making windows unusable for the average user.  You want to check you email, surf the web, play videos, yeah... It doesn't actually do that very well anymore.  Last I checked windows media player didn't actually play media except for a few select formats.  Steaming piece of shit.  Bad Microsoft, no curry for you. 

People don't want their fucking interface totally redesigned every four years. It fucking pisses them off to no end.  I don't know why microsoft doesn't understand this.  I don't understand why they can't make a start menu which isn't a piece of shit.

Tech is now officially all fucked up.  I blame profit motive for much of that.  Linux is what you get when you take an operating system and you strip out all profit motive.  It just fucking works.  For a big chunk of the population it does what what they need with a minimal of fucking around. 

As far as distros go, yeah everyone has their preference.  Ain't it fucking wonderful we have like 50 of them so we can pick one and argue about how great it is.  Anyway, I don't give a shit.  Redhat fork is icky, they put shit in the wrong places, I use Debian fork.  Sometimes I have to deal with CentOs.  Choice is fucking wonderful when it isn't between two pieces of shit like Hillary and Trump.

I respect your right to use whatever Distro you want and I will defend that right to the death as long as you do likewise.


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Re: Best operating system? [Re: John Nada]
    #23565152 - 08/22/16 06:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I would go with something like Mint




This, take Linux Mint Cinnamon for a test-drive.


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Re: Best operating system? [Re: h0ldthedoor]
    #23566738 - 08/22/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

OS/2 is the best OS.


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