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PMP style terrarium
    #23477412 - 07/26/16 12:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hey everyone im just getting started i already spent alot of money between jars pc and all other things, I already have a clear 15qt container with about 1&1/2 inches of leca hydroton in there with an air stone
I dont have a lid so I'll need some suggestions and should I drill some hole on the upper sides for FAE also what size
Here are some things I was thinking about
before making holes I was thinking of just putting a window screen over the tub to allow additional free air exchange but im of afraid of hindering humidity levels
I have time to calibrate just wanted to hear from experienced growers
Btw making brf cakes
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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Psilocybe virgnsis]
    #23477644 - 07/26/16 04:25 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This thread was moved from The Ethnobotanical Garden.

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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Psilocybe virgnsis]
    #23477650 - 07/26/16 04:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That's shitty you went and bought all this shit.. PMP is a very inferior fruiting chamber compared to SGFC. Every week there's some epic cakes and trays done in a sgfc, the more modern chamber. Very sexy stuff.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Mad Season]
    #23477676 - 07/26/16 04:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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That's shitty you went and bought all this shit.. PMP is a very inferior fruiting chamber compared to SGFC. Every week there's some epic cakes and trays done in a sgfc, the more modern chamber. Very sexy stuff.




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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23477988 - 07/26/16 08:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I didnt buy the things for the terrarium I just already had the stuff and was wondering if I could get use out of it maybe instead of perlite I can use my leca shot gun it and add an air stone submersed in a glass of water?


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Psilocybe virgnsis]
    #23478031 - 07/26/16 08:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Unfortunately no, air pumps and air stones have no place in in this hobby. Use it for your fish tank or throw it away


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Bunji Fungi]
    #23478366 - 07/26/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ok I guess I have a few weeks before I fruit ill get some perlite and go sgfc, Ill do some reasearch on small chambers or just get a new storage container all together
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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23487365 - 07/28/16 08:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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That's shitty you went and bought all this shit.. PMP is a very inferior fruiting chamber compared to SGFC. Every week there's some epic cakes and trays done in a sgfc, the more modern chamber. Very sexy stuff.




:whathesaid:

PMP's are obsolete.




I have no idea why you guys would say that.

When dialed in correctly pmps work great and are a hell of a lot easier to assemble than the sgfc.

Both have pros and cons and both are great methods for a newbie to fruit some fungus.

Truth be told a tub with some perlite in the bottom and a willingness to fan it a few times a day works just as good as the first two methods.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: george castanza]
    #23488354 - 07/29/16 06:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Bunji Fungi]
    #23488404 - 07/29/16 06:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

George, I'm surprised to hear a TC say this. Pretty much everyone tells me and other noobs that PMP's are obsolete because after years of cobweb mold and crappy yields people figured out a way to make a better chamber, siting the standing water and lack of FAE as reasons for obsoletion.

Most people who suggest they are going to make a PMP or even use the word air pump are ridiculed, mocked and told they are reading out dated info. I was even told by a long time member that I should not be allowed to post at all after I said to another member that I didn't know how using an air pump with his SGFC would hurt.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Bunji Fungi]
    #23488428 - 07/29/16 07:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

While I don't agree with you being mocked, I do agree that a PMP is a lot more expense and less return.

When I first started my mushroom adventures I spend a lot of time and money on chambers. The rich man's pod was an utter pain in the ass and performed horribly. The PMP was a small step up, but still underperformed for me. In fact the only PMP that I ever saw an impressive grow in was made by blue helix. However he had to adjust the original design quite significantly to get it to work right.

I recommend a sgfc because it's simple to build correctly and while it does take a lot of time to drill the holes, you only do it once. But in all honesty I don't really use a sgfc much anymore either. I can fruit almost anything cube related in a monotub with ease. So that's what I do.

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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23488687 - 07/29/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure I understand what cons the SGFC has to the PMP... other than "mehhh too lazy" getting in the way of the right choice.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23488873 - 07/29/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If I had to tell a noob to follow a tek to the T, but rig it to make it work, then that doesn't sound like something worth mentioning to a noob. If you understand what they need, and how everything reacts to environments, you can grow with literally any configuration, even open air.

For a noob tho who wants to bang out epic grows without wasting their time, SGFC tek to the T is how ya do it.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Mad Season]
    #23488965 - 07/29/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I like to fabricate and have been around for awhile .. so over the years I have personally tried many of the different chambers.

my buddy, just me, was living high on the volcano and having a tough time with the cultures we had and cold temperatures.  he tried my old PMP and the fish tank heaters in the standing water definitely heated things up. With the temperature differentials and low airflow, we got all kinds of condensation and over saturated substrates and mushrooms.  so we piped in more fresh air and got everything to finally work ok.

in the warm water, you're going to breed all kinds of nasty stuff.  (a reason TIT incubators are weak)

anyway, as stated, you can make all kinds of stuff work, but there are simpler passive options that also work better imho.

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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: uncle_rico]
    #23489283 - 07/29/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Find ten threads with a PMP and also pictures of it producing good results.

I'll wait.

The SGFC is far more automated than a PMP, cheaper, less maintenance. And better results....


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Mad Season]
    #23491406 - 07/30/16 05:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If you understand what they need, and how everything reacts to environments, you can grow with literally any configuration, even open air.






This, basically. We are not saying PMP's can't work, especially for someone who uses them on the regular and has more experience in his pinky finger than I do in my whole body. When it comes to newbies though, a PMP is a very poor choice. A SGFC is far less complicated, even fanning isn't "a must". It's the perfect way to learn the basics if someone wants to go the cake route IMO.

Although, I do agree with pasty, monotubs require even less maintenance and are even easier to use overall, which is why most growers end up using them exlusively after they get a taste of them. IMO, if a newb has a means of sterilizing grains, doing trays and filling a mono with them would be faster, easier and more fruitful than cakes in a SGFC.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte] * 1
    #23496050 - 07/31/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I really do agree with the mono tubs. They are probably the easiest way for a newbie to grow. I used them, or a form of them for my very first grow with brf, I cased my cakes with the 50/50+.

So when I went for another grow at another time in another place I set up a pmp and had so much success with it I set up another.

Fast forward a few years and while I was putting a pmp grow together I see everyone raging on these boards about the shotgun, so I spent some time one afternoon drilling a zillion fucking holes in a tub and then used it to fruit cakes with success equal to the pmp.

One thing I don't like about the sgfc is the need to water that bitch every day. If you got your holes right it does provide superior fae but that comes with the price of having to replace all that water that is leaving your chamber. The pmp takes a little dialing in, but once you get it you don't have much of a daily maintenance for your grow. Another thing I didn't care for was the mess a sgfc creates, little pieces of perlite falling out of the bottom as well as the water dripping out the bottom every time you soak the chamber down (daily). Not to mention the fact that you need some kind of feet on it to ensure proper intake of fresh air.

All that being said if you're at all concerned with the stealth of your grow the sgfc is not one bit stealthy. Wtf is that!?!? A question I've heard over and over if anyone ever lays eyes on that thing. Even now that I use the tub for storage whenever anyone looks at it I get questions. Now the pmp is not really very stealthy in itself because that water bubbling 24/7 makes noise, and if you have a few of them stacked up not only do all those airpumps create a lot of noise but the tubs will burp themselves when the pressure builds up and that makes a loud noise as well. Now you can try to muffle the noise and drill an extra hole for pressure release and all that but still not ultra stealthy. Let's also not forget that with all those air tubes running around everywhere makes these fuckers hard to move around and if anyone sees all that tubing they are likely to become suspicious. Both of these setups work but IMO they are both just as dated.

OK so let's talk about my personal favorite method for the newbie who wants to do a small cake grow on a budget and needs it a little on the stealthy side. A tub with a few inches of perlite in the bottom.

A simple single tub with a few inches of perlite in the bottom works just as good as a pmp or a sgfc if you fan it a few times a day. What!?!? You say that since your a newbie your probably going to be checking on those cakes at least ten times a day anyhow, might as well fan and mist!

I'm just saying the sgfc is old, maybe even older than the pmp. Saying a tek is old and then declaring it outdated without actually ever even trying the tek out yourself seems silly to me. Am I just the luckiest asshole in the world because these teks all worked great for me? Probably not. I did my research and carefully planned for success. As far as the name poor man's pod, well I guess back in the day spending $100 at the hardware store was cheaper than spending $400 with whoever was selling the round cool looking version that was a poor performer, the "hydropod" they were calling it.

I was just using the old tub full of perlite and fruiting a few cakes in it (tub held 32 cakes comfortablly) and moved into a one bedroom apartment in the city and decided against hitting the fairgrounds for horse shit because I didn't want to fuck around with all the leaching and bullshit but still needed to up my grow for personal reasons, so I set up a pmp with two big boy air pumps and it worked great, so when fruiting chamber real estate became premium i set up another real quick, led to another and the next thing you know I got 8 of these fuckers in my bedroom in this one bedroom apartment. The great part was the stackability of the setup, fresh tub full of cakes on bottom and I would let them work there way to the top for harvest(try that with sgfc). I kept them in two stacks and I had constructed this octopus box that had all the airpumps and a bunch of polyfil to filter the air that sat under one of the stacks. When I finally moved back to monos (I wanted to grow pe again), I couldn't believe how easily all that pmp bullshit had gotton out of hand. When I was breaking them all down I realized I had about a thousand dollars invested in all that bullshit because mostly i was just too lazy to fan and mist, to be fair to myself I have to say fanning and misting eight tubs full of cakes on the daily would consume quite a bit of time, also it's nice to take a long weekend and not worry about your grow.

Anyhow what I'm saying is that the sgfc is every bit as dated as the pmp, the simple tub with perlite fanned often and misted regularly would kick both of their asses for sure on every level.

Outdated/incorrect info with mentioning...

misting shield, you're not going to be needing one of these.

Casing layers, you don't need to worry about casing your bulk substrates, it is simply not necessary but it used to be common practice. However casing grains is a whole different type of grow, so lets not confuse the two.





I would recommend that you start out with one mono type set up if you're new, spawn some horse manure with your choice of grain, or case the grain, itself, either way take it slow and don't try to do too much until you get the hang of it. Patience is rewarding a thousand fold in this hobby.

I'm not trying to be a dick about anything I'm just tired of reading people that don't know telling people that don't know about things that they just don't know. It's really easy and simple to do a small grow, ya know?


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: george castanza]
    #23496093 - 07/31/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I like casing stuff :frown:


My personal favorite small grows. Needs a PC of course but materials are so cheap for this that excluding the cost of pp5s and the pop bottle top, it's about 5 cents a container for materials.




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Re: PMP style terrarium [Re: Psilocybe virgnsis]
    #23496141 - 07/31/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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They might have been lacking a smidge of FAE but the yield was on point.




At the end of the day that is what truly matters. :smile:

I've been wanting to do some of those and give them away for gifts, I think they kick ass!


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Psilocybe virgnsis said:
Hey everyone im just getting started i already spent alot of money between jars pc and all other things, I already have a clear 15qt container with about 1&1/2 inches of leca hydroton in there with an air stone
I dont have a lid so I'll need some suggestions and should I drill some hole on the upper sides for FAE also what size
Here are some things I was thinking about
before making holes I was thinking of just putting a window screen over the tub to allow additional free air exchange but im of afraid of hindering humidity levels
I have time to calibrate just wanted to hear from experienced growers
Btw making brf cakes
Thanks




After rereading this I already see what's going to make this one a poor performer, single air stone. You need bubble wands note I used the plural. If you don't have enough fresh air your going to wind up contaminated. That has got the be the #1 cause of a pmp sucking ass, the builder skimping on air pumps. It is damn near impossible to hook to big of an airpump up, or too many airpumps into your pmp. (Again the name hardly suits the chamber if it's built right)


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Re: PMP style terrarium [Re: george castanza]
    #23496158 - 07/31/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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They might have been lacking a smidge of FAE but the yield was on point.




At the end of the day that is what truly matters. :smile:

I've been wanting to do some of those and give them away for gifts, I think they kick ass!





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Re: PMP style terrarium [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23496201 - 07/31/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Now we're calling casing layers for bulk substrates among outdated information?  Dafuq man.... In the last year or so I switched to never not casing my bulk and the difference is immense.


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Re: PMP style terrarium [Re: Inocuole]
    #23496219 - 07/31/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think its that casing is not mandatory for cubes the way it is for a species like say agaricus. You can not case and still see a flush. But I do agree that most of the time casing benefits yield for most cultures. I do have one clone that does poorly when cased. But it is IME the exception.


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Re: PMP style terrarium [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23496351 - 07/31/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I get better without casing seems like a waste of time, but I'm probably using 65/35 verm/horse manure.

See how easy it is to confuse the issue by not being as complete as possible with evey little detail of your statement?

I'm glad you're around to hold it down pasty!


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23559189 - 08/20/16 05:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I recommend a sgfc because it's simple to build correctly and while it does take a lot of time to drill the holes, you only do it once. But in all honesty I don't really use a sgfc much anymore either. I can fruit almost anything cube related in a monotub with ease. So that's what I do.

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Hello, I am new to the forum. I have tried a sgfc and had very poor success. So far for me,  everything was fine up until  I put the cakes in the fruiting chamber. I've been lurking on the message board for over a year  and I could tell that my cakes were way to dry in the sg fruiting chamber. I was not able to get them to fruit well. The best success was 8.5  dry grams out of 12 cakes,and 5.5 out of another set of 12. The first batch of 12 didn't fruit at all.

Are you saying that you can fruit cakes in a monotub? Or just that you only use grain and monotub now? I'm asking specifically about putting cakes and a monotub as cakes, meaning not crumbled and put into a substrate. I know I can get cakes to the fruiting chamber without contamination. Previous attempts at bird seed had tons of things I did wrong. I'm going to try again soon with either Frank's wbs prep or sbjedi's wbs  tek. If I can fruit cakes in a monotub setup, are there any tips or tricks for that?


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Toomuchinfo]
    #23559219 - 08/20/16 06:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You can fruit cakes in a monotub, you will want enough in there to avoid excessive drying. Probably best to cover the entire base of the tub with all the cakes butted up against each other.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: weetsie]
    #23559236 - 08/20/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You can fruit cakes in a monotub, you will want enough in there to avoid excessive drying. Probably best to cover the entire base of the tub with all the cakes butted up against each other.



This would kill 90% of the cakes surface area.

I would say stick to the SGFC....if your cakes were drying out, you should mist them more often.

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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Bunji Fungi]
    #23559274 - 08/20/16 07:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Most people who suggest they are going to make a PMP or even use the word air pump are ridiculed, mocked and told they are reading out dated info. I was even told by a long time member that I should not be allowed to post at all after I said to another member that I didn't know how using an air pump with his SGFC would hurt.




I was ridiculed for building a PMP too, which was especially frustrating because I got the impression from THIS SITE that the PMP was newer and better than the SGFC. After I had built it I asked a question about it, and was ridiculed for having built it, which is when I realized I had the wrong impression because the information here is poorly organized. I'm still a noob but I'm hesitant to ask questions here now because I don't want to be ridiculed again for not knowing something.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: ghostembodied]
    #23559291 - 08/20/16 07:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: PussyFart]
    #23559292 - 08/20/16 07:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds pretty much legit.  Has it or has it not deterred you from using outdated methods?  I hardly see how the reactions of people you will never meet in real life could affect your quest for answers unless you gave it that power over you. :shrug:


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: ghostembodied]
    #23559294 - 08/20/16 07:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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This would kill 90% of the cakes surface area.

I would say stick to the SGFC....if your cakes were drying out, you should mist them more often.

Constant evaporation is a main pinning trigger.




I was misting 5 to 7 times a day depending on how much I was home. And it still wasn't enough, the cakes were blue and dry looking. I don't  think I would be home enough to mist often enough to keep them  happy. At this point, I don't know whether to try again  with cakes or try wbs.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Toomuchinfo]
    #23559311 - 08/20/16 07:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

TMI, the thing about the SGFC is it has to be elevated and away from any walls to work correctly. It also needs at least 4-5" of perlite in the bottom. Was your SGFC at least a couple of feet from any walls, and raised at least a few inches?


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: dankington]
    #23559345 - 08/20/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It was raised a couple inches. I had it on some wide mouth 1/2  pint jars, but was 4 to 6 inches from a wall on one long side. I missed the info about  keeping it away from the wall.  Why  would that make it too dry?

Edited to add: 1/4 in holes, all 6 sides. 2" apart, and 4 in perlite (I measured the perlite depth too)


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: PussyFart]
    #23559369 - 08/20/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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This would kill 90% of the cakes surface area.




Surface area doesn't directly translate into yield. Top fruiting quart bottle style grows removes a lot more surface area than top fruiting a cake but the yields are still great.




Top fruited cakes did pretty good for me the few times I tried them



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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: dankington]
    #23559413 - 08/20/16 09:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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TMI, the thing about the SGFC is it has to be elevated and away from any walls to work correctly. It also needs at least 4-5" of perlite in the bottom. Was your SGFC at least a couple of feet from any walls, and raised at least a few inches?



Do mini monos or regular monos need to be away from the walls too? And they also need a fan on low in the room for indirect air circulation, correct?


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Toomuchinfo]
    #23559449 - 08/20/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Monos can be fine in a closet.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23559460 - 08/20/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Sounds pretty much legit.  Has it or has it not deterred you from using outdated methods?  I hardly see how the reactions of people you will never meet in real life could affect your quest for answers unless you gave it that power over you. :shrug:




It kind of deterred me from trying at all because, after failing twice and not feeling very welcome asking questions, I gave up. I did learn from the experience tho, even from the ridiculing (which wasn't that harsh as ridiculing goes--it was mostly frustrating because I was ridiculed for following advice I found here).

But you're right. I need to just get over it and try again. Which I have and here am I about to try again. This time I'm trying to decide between using the SGFC again or trying out a monotub. Sounds like a monotub is the way to go but I kinda hate to use a different method every time. I need to find one that works for me and stick with it. I don't know what went wrong with my SGFC. The cakes colonized well and I was fanning and misting twice a day (I'm gone 10 hours a day during the week) but all I ever got was a single tiny abort. Eventually the cakes just got moldy. I guess it was an FAE problem but I don't know what to do about it. The tub has about as many holes as can be put in it.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: ghostembodied]
    #23559512 - 08/20/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe it was the fanning. No need to be fanning, and you can kinda wind burn a sub or cake.

But just buck up. It's important to not put too much stock in what people think of you. What matters is what you think of you.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Toomuchinfo]
    #23559582 - 08/20/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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This would kill 90% of the cakes surface area.

I would say stick to the SGFC....if your cakes were drying out, you should mist them more often.

Constant evaporation is a main pinning trigger.




I was misting 5 to 7 times a day depending on how much I was home. And it still wasn't enough, the cakes were blue and dry looking. I don't  think I would be home enough to mist often enough to keep them  happy. At this point, I don't know whether to try again  with cakes or try wbs.



It's built wrong then. Even in a desert you don't need to mist that much. You were probably over saturating them which does the same thing as never misting them at all. Failure

Or perhaps your cakes were unhealthy to begin with


The SGFC plain old just works for 90+ % of people the first time around if build and used correctly. So to blame a SGFC is kind of justna way to blame anything but what might actually be the problem

Whereas maybe 30-40% of people have any luck with a PMP ever.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23559667 - 08/20/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It's built wrong then. Even in a desert you don't need to mist that much. You were probably over saturating them which does the same thing as never misting them at all. Failure

Or perhaps your cakes were unhealthy to begin with


The SGFC plain old just works for 90+ % of people the first time around if build and used correctly. So to blame a SGFC is kind of justna way to blame anything but what might actually be the problem

Whereas maybe 30-40% of people have any luck with a PMP ever.



I probably  did build it wrong. I have had trouble from the start. Next time, I will make sure I don't deviate any from the tek

Edited new add: maybe I deviated and didn't even realize it.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Toomuchinfo]
    #23559703 - 08/20/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Most often that's the case. people come and type down they did everything perfect. And not list the variable that's wrong. Well if you knew it was wrong you would list it. So catch 22. Find what you're not doing perfect.

Saturating and waterlogged cakes are common as dry ones. Just right might seem "not just right" to someone with no frame of reference from experience.

When i was noob I always thought field capacity seemed too dry but it wasn't until I prepared my coir the way it should be not the way I thought it should be that successful grows happened

Of course I would have said what I did was field capacity, but it wasn't. Even with the squeeze drip trick I just wasn't squeezing hard enough either.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Toomuchinfo]
    #23560027 - 08/20/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You guys making cakes never mentioned if you're dunking and rolling or not?

If you're not dunking and rolling then your certainly not going to get the most out of a cake.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: ghostembodied]
    #23560517 - 08/20/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I was ridiculed for building a PMP too, which was especially frustrating because I got the impression from THIS SITE.




Much of the information on the main site is crap. I spent weeks reading that shit before I joined and started using the forums. Total waste of time. There isn't even a link on building a SGFC and they rate the "hobo terrarium" four stars. It's Tupperware with a ziplock bag for fuck sake


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    #23560586 - 08/20/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ya idk what makes folks want to ridicule someone for wanting to learn.  Pmp works great if you set it up right. Shotgun works great if it's set up right. The hobo setup works just as well as the other two if you fan it enough.

I could see how being ridiculed on top of spending your time and money on a failed grow could turn someone off from wanting to continue a hobby. If anyone played little league baseball how would you have felt if the coach ridiculed you the first ground ball you missed? Some coaches probably do and that's why their team sucks. A good coach tells you it's OK and then explains how to get your whole body in front of the ball so if you miss it with your glove you still have a good chance of stopping the ball and making a play.

Growing mushrooms isn't all that difficult, wading through all the information available, deciding what method you want to use and then putting it to practical use is probably the most challenging part. Once you succeed in getting a fruit body it is pretty much just dialing in your methods . Perseverance has its rewards, that's for sure.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: ghostembodied]
    #23560622 - 08/20/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It kind of deterred me from trying at all because, after failing twice and not feeling very welcome asking questions, I gave up. I did learn from the experience tho, even from the ridiculing (which wasn't that harsh as ridiculing goes--it was mostly frustrating because I was ridiculed for following advice I found here).





I just looked through every post you made because I was worried that maybe I was the one who busted your balls too much. I am not sure how you got the impression you were being ridiculed. I was maybe the toughest person on you in that thread you made trying to salvage your grow when I said;

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Yes that is all bad info from 20 years ago. Virtually everything there is wrong. Mushrooms love air and drip shields are so 1990.

Why are you doing reading on that site anyway? The best information is right here :super:




Now if that made you want to quit growing then I apologize. But dude ya need to toughen up some. When failures come in this hobby it can be unrelenting. That's why we all advocate being dialed in and precise. We might come off a smidge blunt but it's not intended to make you feel hurt, it's to push you into making good decisions.

Anyway sorry for my harsh words then. Whatever you do, stay the hell out of OTD. They will eat a sensitive soul like you alive.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23560685 - 08/20/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:rofl2:

Ya they definitely won't be pulling any punches in that forum.

I was just taking it on face value that ghostembodied was actually ridiculed. It could have just as easily been one of those situations where what was implied was not what was inferred or vice versa.

An in your face type of response is not always meant to ridicule. Remember that there is a difference between saying that tek is stupid and saying you are stupid for using that tek. The fact is people hear what they want to hear 90% of the time regardless what was really said, crazy enough that also applies to forum post on the internet as well.

I got to give props to folks that tirelessly answer the same questions day in and day out. The board would not work without you guys, well not anywhere near as well as it does anyway.

I'm all for basic civility, but i also know that you can't expect everyone one to hold your hand and talk sweet to you while they explain where you are fucking up, I mean it's not like any of us are expecting to get laid.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: george castanza]
    #23560739 - 08/20/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Really this place is pretty damn forgiving these days. When I first started posting people were merciless. You got told your work was shit no punches pulled. I got taken out to the woodshed a couple times.

But thank god for that. If I was simply told "good job man ya got some fruits. Keep it up!" I would never have gotten determined and dialed things in better. I would've just drifted along with a shitty grow.

No one likes to hear that their FAE is not good or their fruits they are so proud of have pseudomonias. But ya need to hear it or ya never improve.


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    #23560770 - 08/20/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

True that.

Folks have gotten a bit more congenial over the years, I would like to see the trend continue.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: george castanza]
    #23560892 - 08/20/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Much of the information on the main site is crap. I spent weeks reading that shit before I joined and started using the forums.




I feel like I just found the info I really needed a year ago. I just found the amu thread and Frank's, sbjedi's, and pasty's teks. I just made a membership, and I think most of it was hidden in journals (could be wrong about that). I am going to use the teks in the amu thread or the noob forum. I haven't totally decided on which ones yet.


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You guys making cakes never mentioned if you're dunking and rolling or not?

If you're not dunking and rolling then your certainly not going to get the most out of a cake.




Yes I did, sorry I thought that part was important enough that no one would leave it out. I guess that's not the case I've definitely seen other posts where people did not dunk and roll.

I dunked for 24 hours and then rolled with vermiculite.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Toomuchinfo]
    #23561327 - 08/20/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

OK. The two terms you should start to familiarize yourself with are transpiration and water delivery. Once you have a colonized substrate it is these two things that determine how much fungus you harvest.

Read all Pastywhites post in your spare time, they are loaded with great info.

Also I always recommend that newbies read hyphea's pinning strategy, he explains transpiration and why it's important in a very easy to understand format.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3290155

Keep in mind that some of the info in that thread is not optimal, such as temperature guidelines and misting pre-fruiting, but generally it is a great write-up to gear your mind in the direction of producing fruit bodies . Remember anytime you get confused or are unsure about something it's ok to ask a question. You may get laughed at or even ridiculed, but I would rather be laughed at and get mushrooms than to keep quiet and get contamination.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: george castanza]
    #23561360 - 08/20/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I suggest the SGFC noobs need to see how much more important air is than humidity. Passive solutions turn out to be more automated than ones with automation.

It's this over humidification that hurts noobs a lot and PMP doesn't help that at all since the premise is 99% humidity for most noobs


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23562293 - 08/21/16 07:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I just looked through every post you made because I was worried that maybe I was the one who busted your balls too much. I am not sure how you got the impression you were being ridiculed. I was maybe the toughest person on you in that thread you made trying to salvage your grow when I said;

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Yes that is all bad info from 20 years ago. Virtually everything there is wrong. Mushrooms love air and drip shields are so 1990.

Why are you doing reading on that site anyway? The best information is right here :super:




Now if that made you want to quit growing then I apologize. But dude ya need to toughen up some. When failures come in this hobby it can be unrelenting. That's why we all advocate being dialed in and precise. We might come off a smidge blunt but it's not intended to make you feel hurt, it's to push you into making good decisions.

Anyway sorry for my harsh words then. Whatever you do, stay the hell out of OTD. They will eat a sensitive soul like you alive.




I actually went back and looked at my posts too because all I remembered was the impression that I was left with and not what was actually said. I couldn't find anything that seemed like it should have given me that impression. Maybe a post was deleted or maybe I was just already frustrated because I was failing after spending a fair amount of money on the PMP and that made me more sensitive to it. I could have been out of weed that day too. IDK. Like you said, looking back at it, it definitely doesn't seem too bad. Regardless, you're right--I shouldn't let it stop me. I will persevere. :smile:

So in that spirit, help me decide: try again with BRF/SGFC or move to a monotub? I'm also considering fruiting outside. I have plenty of space to do that. Not sure if it's too late in the year tho. Also not sure if I need to be concerned about deadly mushrooms invading my magic ones and me not being able to tell the difference.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23562294 - 08/21/16 07:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I suggest the SGFC noobs need to see how much more important air is than humidity. Passive solutions turn out to be more automated than ones with automation.

It's this over humidification that hurts noobs a lot and PMP doesn't help that at all since the premise is 99% humidity for most noobs




Yeah, until this thread I thought 99% humidity was the goal. I'm learning tho. :thumbup:


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: ghostembodied]
    #23562419 - 08/21/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So in that spirit, help me decide: try again with BRF/SGFC or move to a monotub? I'm also considering fruiting outside. I have plenty of space to do that. Not sure if it's too late in the year tho. Also not sure if I need to be concerned about deadly mushrooms invading my magic ones and me not being able to tell the difference.




How about you go from BRF/SGFC into AGAR and then into Monotub?
:smile:

Agar is the only way you're going to get good isolated genetics... why not have that before you invest into a monotub?

Agar may seem daunting at first, and you might fail if you do not use a tek correctly and fully without deviance, but if you have patience and make it work, your yields will thank you for it.

Look at Pasty's signature to see how easy it is to create plates. These plates are an awesome place to begin. If you are comfortable with that tek-look into Trusted Cultivator's signature at the very bottom link. It's incredibly extensive and tells you everything you need to know about agar & cloning.


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