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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Toomuchinfo]
    #23560027 - 08/20/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You guys making cakes never mentioned if you're dunking and rolling or not?

If you're not dunking and rolling then your certainly not going to get the most out of a cake.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: ghostembodied]
    #23560517 - 08/20/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I was ridiculed for building a PMP too, which was especially frustrating because I got the impression from THIS SITE.




Much of the information on the main site is crap. I spent weeks reading that shit before I joined and started using the forums. Total waste of time. There isn't even a link on building a SGFC and they rate the "hobo terrarium" four stars. It's Tupperware with a ziplock bag for fuck sake


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Bunji Fungi] * 1
    #23560586 - 08/20/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ya idk what makes folks want to ridicule someone for wanting to learn.  Pmp works great if you set it up right. Shotgun works great if it's set up right. The hobo setup works just as well as the other two if you fan it enough.

I could see how being ridiculed on top of spending your time and money on a failed grow could turn someone off from wanting to continue a hobby. If anyone played little league baseball how would you have felt if the coach ridiculed you the first ground ball you missed? Some coaches probably do and that's why their team sucks. A good coach tells you it's OK and then explains how to get your whole body in front of the ball so if you miss it with your glove you still have a good chance of stopping the ball and making a play.

Growing mushrooms isn't all that difficult, wading through all the information available, deciding what method you want to use and then putting it to practical use is probably the most challenging part. Once you succeed in getting a fruit body it is pretty much just dialing in your methods . Perseverance has its rewards, that's for sure.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: ghostembodied]
    #23560622 - 08/20/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It kind of deterred me from trying at all because, after failing twice and not feeling very welcome asking questions, I gave up. I did learn from the experience tho, even from the ridiculing (which wasn't that harsh as ridiculing goes--it was mostly frustrating because I was ridiculed for following advice I found here).





I just looked through every post you made because I was worried that maybe I was the one who busted your balls too much. I am not sure how you got the impression you were being ridiculed. I was maybe the toughest person on you in that thread you made trying to salvage your grow when I said;

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Yes that is all bad info from 20 years ago. Virtually everything there is wrong. Mushrooms love air and drip shields are so 1990.

Why are you doing reading on that site anyway? The best information is right here :super:




Now if that made you want to quit growing then I apologize. But dude ya need to toughen up some. When failures come in this hobby it can be unrelenting. That's why we all advocate being dialed in and precise. We might come off a smidge blunt but it's not intended to make you feel hurt, it's to push you into making good decisions.

Anyway sorry for my harsh words then. Whatever you do, stay the hell out of OTD. They will eat a sensitive soul like you alive.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23560685 - 08/20/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:rofl2:

Ya they definitely won't be pulling any punches in that forum.

I was just taking it on face value that ghostembodied was actually ridiculed. It could have just as easily been one of those situations where what was implied was not what was inferred or vice versa.

An in your face type of response is not always meant to ridicule. Remember that there is a difference between saying that tek is stupid and saying you are stupid for using that tek. The fact is people hear what they want to hear 90% of the time regardless what was really said, crazy enough that also applies to forum post on the internet as well.

I got to give props to folks that tirelessly answer the same questions day in and day out. The board would not work without you guys, well not anywhere near as well as it does anyway.

I'm all for basic civility, but i also know that you can't expect everyone one to hold your hand and talk sweet to you while they explain where you are fucking up, I mean it's not like any of us are expecting to get laid.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: george castanza]
    #23560739 - 08/20/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Really this place is pretty damn forgiving these days. When I first started posting people were merciless. You got told your work was shit no punches pulled. I got taken out to the woodshed a couple times.

But thank god for that. If I was simply told "good job man ya got some fruits. Keep it up!" I would never have gotten determined and dialed things in better. I would've just drifted along with a shitty grow.

No one likes to hear that their FAE is not good or their fruits they are so proud of have pseudomonias. But ya need to hear it or ya never improve.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23560770 - 08/20/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

True that.

Folks have gotten a bit more congenial over the years, I would like to see the trend continue.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: george castanza]
    #23560892 - 08/20/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Bunji Fungi said:
Much of the information on the main site is crap. I spent weeks reading that shit before I joined and started using the forums.




I feel like I just found the info I really needed a year ago. I just found the amu thread and Frank's, sbjedi's, and pasty's teks. I just made a membership, and I think most of it was hidden in journals (could be wrong about that). I am going to use the teks in the amu thread or the noob forum. I haven't totally decided on which ones yet.


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You guys making cakes never mentioned if you're dunking and rolling or not?

If you're not dunking and rolling then your certainly not going to get the most out of a cake.




Yes I did, sorry I thought that part was important enough that no one would leave it out. I guess that's not the case I've definitely seen other posts where people did not dunk and roll.

I dunked for 24 hours and then rolled with vermiculite.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Toomuchinfo]
    #23561327 - 08/20/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

OK. The two terms you should start to familiarize yourself with are transpiration and water delivery. Once you have a colonized substrate it is these two things that determine how much fungus you harvest.

Read all Pastywhites post in your spare time, they are loaded with great info.

Also I always recommend that newbies read hyphea's pinning strategy, he explains transpiration and why it's important in a very easy to understand format.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3290155

Keep in mind that some of the info in that thread is not optimal, such as temperature guidelines and misting pre-fruiting, but generally it is a great write-up to gear your mind in the direction of producing fruit bodies . Remember anytime you get confused or are unsure about something it's ok to ask a question. You may get laughed at or even ridiculed, but I would rather be laughed at and get mushrooms than to keep quiet and get contamination.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: george castanza]
    #23561360 - 08/20/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I suggest the SGFC noobs need to see how much more important air is than humidity. Passive solutions turn out to be more automated than ones with automation.

It's this over humidification that hurts noobs a lot and PMP doesn't help that at all since the premise is 99% humidity for most noobs


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23562293 - 08/21/16 07:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I just looked through every post you made because I was worried that maybe I was the one who busted your balls too much. I am not sure how you got the impression you were being ridiculed. I was maybe the toughest person on you in that thread you made trying to salvage your grow when I said;

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Pastywhyte said:
Yes that is all bad info from 20 years ago. Virtually everything there is wrong. Mushrooms love air and drip shields are so 1990.

Why are you doing reading on that site anyway? The best information is right here :super:




Now if that made you want to quit growing then I apologize. But dude ya need to toughen up some. When failures come in this hobby it can be unrelenting. That's why we all advocate being dialed in and precise. We might come off a smidge blunt but it's not intended to make you feel hurt, it's to push you into making good decisions.

Anyway sorry for my harsh words then. Whatever you do, stay the hell out of OTD. They will eat a sensitive soul like you alive.




I actually went back and looked at my posts too because all I remembered was the impression that I was left with and not what was actually said. I couldn't find anything that seemed like it should have given me that impression. Maybe a post was deleted or maybe I was just already frustrated because I was failing after spending a fair amount of money on the PMP and that made me more sensitive to it. I could have been out of weed that day too. IDK. Like you said, looking back at it, it definitely doesn't seem too bad. Regardless, you're right--I shouldn't let it stop me. I will persevere. :smile:

So in that spirit, help me decide: try again with BRF/SGFC or move to a monotub? I'm also considering fruiting outside. I have plenty of space to do that. Not sure if it's too late in the year tho. Also not sure if I need to be concerned about deadly mushrooms invading my magic ones and me not being able to tell the difference.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23562294 - 08/21/16 07:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I suggest the SGFC noobs need to see how much more important air is than humidity. Passive solutions turn out to be more automated than ones with automation.

It's this over humidification that hurts noobs a lot and PMP doesn't help that at all since the premise is 99% humidity for most noobs




Yeah, until this thread I thought 99% humidity was the goal. I'm learning tho. :thumbup:


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: ghostembodied]
    #23562419 - 08/21/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So in that spirit, help me decide: try again with BRF/SGFC or move to a monotub? I'm also considering fruiting outside. I have plenty of space to do that. Not sure if it's too late in the year tho. Also not sure if I need to be concerned about deadly mushrooms invading my magic ones and me not being able to tell the difference.




How about you go from BRF/SGFC into AGAR and then into Monotub?
:smile:

Agar is the only way you're going to get good isolated genetics... why not have that before you invest into a monotub?

Agar may seem daunting at first, and you might fail if you do not use a tek correctly and fully without deviance, but if you have patience and make it work, your yields will thank you for it.

Look at Pasty's signature to see how easy it is to create plates. These plates are an awesome place to begin. If you are comfortable with that tek-look into Trusted Cultivator's signature at the very bottom link. It's incredibly extensive and tells you everything you need to know about agar & cloning.


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