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Inocuole
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Now we're calling casing layers for bulk substrates among outdated information? Dafuq man.... In the last year or so I switched to never not casing my bulk and the difference is immense.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: PMP style terrarium [Re: Inocuole]
#23496219 - 07/31/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think its that casing is not mandatory for cubes the way it is for a species like say agaricus. You can not case and still see a flush. But I do agree that most of the time casing benefits yield for most cultures. I do have one clone that does poorly when cased. But it is IME the exception.
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I get better without casing seems like a waste of time, but I'm probably using 65/35 verm/horse manure.
See how easy it is to confuse the issue by not being as complete as possible with evey little detail of your statement?
I'm glad you're around to hold it down pasty!
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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23559189 - 08/20/16 05:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said:
I recommend a sgfc because it's simple to build correctly and while it does take a lot of time to drill the holes, you only do it once. But in all honesty I don't really use a sgfc much anymore either. I can fruit almost anything cube related in a monotub with ease. So that's what I do.

Hello, I am new to the forum. I have tried a sgfc and had very poor success. So far for me, everything was fine up until I put the cakes in the fruiting chamber. I've been lurking on the message board for over a year and I could tell that my cakes were way to dry in the sg fruiting chamber. I was not able to get them to fruit well. The best success was 8.5 dry grams out of 12 cakes,and 5.5 out of another set of 12. The first batch of 12 didn't fruit at all.
Are you saying that you can fruit cakes in a monotub? Or just that you only use grain and monotub now? I'm asking specifically about putting cakes and a monotub as cakes, meaning not crumbled and put into a substrate. I know I can get cakes to the fruiting chamber without contamination. Previous attempts at bird seed had tons of things I did wrong. I'm going to try again soon with either Frank's wbs prep or sbjedi's wbs tek. If I can fruit cakes in a monotub setup, are there any tips or tricks for that?
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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Toomuchinfo]
#23559219 - 08/20/16 06:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can fruit cakes in a monotub, you will want enough in there to avoid excessive drying. Probably best to cover the entire base of the tub with all the cakes butted up against each other.
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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: weetsie]
#23559236 - 08/20/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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weetsie said: You can fruit cakes in a monotub, you will want enough in there to avoid excessive drying. Probably best to cover the entire base of the tub with all the cakes butted up against each other.
This would kill 90% of the cakes surface area.
I would say stick to the SGFC....if your cakes were drying out, you should mist them more often.
Constant evaporation is a main pinning trigger.
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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Bunji Fungi]
#23559274 - 08/20/16 07:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bunji Fungi said: Most people who suggest they are going to make a PMP or even use the word air pump are ridiculed, mocked and told they are reading out dated info. I was even told by a long time member that I should not be allowed to post at all after I said to another member that I didn't know how using an air pump with his SGFC would hurt.
I was ridiculed for building a PMP too, which was especially frustrating because I got the impression from THIS SITE that the PMP was newer and better than the SGFC. After I had built it I asked a question about it, and was ridiculed for having built it, which is when I realized I had the wrong impression because the information here is poorly organized. I'm still a noob but I'm hesitant to ask questions here now because I don't want to be ridiculed again for not knowing something.
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PussyFart
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Sounds like something I would say lol
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Inocuole
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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: PussyFart]
#23559292 - 08/20/16 07:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sounds pretty much legit. Has it or has it not deterred you from using outdated methods? I hardly see how the reactions of people you will never meet in real life could affect your quest for answers unless you gave it that power over you.
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Toomuchinfo
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PussyFart said: This would kill 90% of the cakes surface area.
I would say stick to the SGFC....if your cakes were drying out, you should mist them more often.
Constant evaporation is a main pinning trigger.
I was misting 5 to 7 times a day depending on how much I was home. And it still wasn't enough, the cakes were blue and dry looking. I don't think I would be home enough to mist often enough to keep them happy. At this point, I don't know whether to try again with cakes or try wbs.
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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Toomuchinfo]
#23559311 - 08/20/16 07:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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TMI, the thing about the SGFC is it has to be elevated and away from any walls to work correctly. It also needs at least 4-5" of perlite in the bottom. Was your SGFC at least a couple of feet from any walls, and raised at least a few inches?
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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: dankington]
#23559345 - 08/20/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It was raised a couple inches. I had it on some wide mouth 1/2 pint jars, but was 4 to 6 inches from a wall on one long side. I missed the info about keeping it away from the wall. Why would that make it too dry?
Edited to add: 1/4 in holes, all 6 sides. 2" apart, and 4 in perlite (I measured the perlite depth too)
Edited by Toomuchinfo (08/20/16 08:19 AM)
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Pastywhyte
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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: PussyFart]
#23559369 - 08/20/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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PussyFart said: This would kill 90% of the cakes surface area.
Surface area doesn't directly translate into yield. Top fruiting quart bottle style grows removes a lot more surface area than top fruiting a cake but the yields are still great.

Top fruited cakes did pretty good for me the few times I tried them
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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: dankington]
#23559413 - 08/20/16 09:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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dankington said: TMI, the thing about the SGFC is it has to be elevated and away from any walls to work correctly. It also needs at least 4-5" of perlite in the bottom. Was your SGFC at least a couple of feet from any walls, and raised at least a few inches?
Do mini monos or regular monos need to be away from the walls too? And they also need a fan on low in the room for indirect air circulation, correct?
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dankington
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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Toomuchinfo]
#23559449 - 08/20/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Monos can be fine in a closet.
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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
#23559460 - 08/20/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Sounds pretty much legit. Has it or has it not deterred you from using outdated methods? I hardly see how the reactions of people you will never meet in real life could affect your quest for answers unless you gave it that power over you. 
It kind of deterred me from trying at all because, after failing twice and not feeling very welcome asking questions, I gave up. I did learn from the experience tho, even from the ridiculing (which wasn't that harsh as ridiculing goes--it was mostly frustrating because I was ridiculed for following advice I found here).
But you're right. I need to just get over it and try again. Which I have and here am I about to try again. This time I'm trying to decide between using the SGFC again or trying out a monotub. Sounds like a monotub is the way to go but I kinda hate to use a different method every time. I need to find one that works for me and stick with it. I don't know what went wrong with my SGFC. The cakes colonized well and I was fanning and misting twice a day (I'm gone 10 hours a day during the week) but all I ever got was a single tiny abort. Eventually the cakes just got moldy. I guess it was an FAE problem but I don't know what to do about it. The tub has about as many holes as can be put in it.
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dankington
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Maybe it was the fanning. No need to be fanning, and you can kinda wind burn a sub or cake.
But just buck up. It's important to not put too much stock in what people think of you. What matters is what you think of you.
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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Toomuchinfo]
#23559582 - 08/20/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Toomuchinfo said:
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PussyFart said: This would kill 90% of the cakes surface area.
I would say stick to the SGFC....if your cakes were drying out, you should mist them more often.
Constant evaporation is a main pinning trigger.
I was misting 5 to 7 times a day depending on how much I was home. And it still wasn't enough, the cakes were blue and dry looking. I don't think I would be home enough to mist often enough to keep them happy. At this point, I don't know whether to try again with cakes or try wbs.
It's built wrong then. Even in a desert you don't need to mist that much. You were probably over saturating them which does the same thing as never misting them at all. Failure
Or perhaps your cakes were unhealthy to begin with
The SGFC plain old just works for 90+ % of people the first time around if build and used correctly. So to blame a SGFC is kind of justna way to blame anything but what might actually be the problem
Whereas maybe 30-40% of people have any luck with a PMP ever.
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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
#23559667 - 08/20/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Trusted Cultivator said: It's built wrong then. Even in a desert you don't need to mist that much. You were probably over saturating them which does the same thing as never misting them at all. Failure
Or perhaps your cakes were unhealthy to begin with
The SGFC plain old just works for 90+ % of people the first time around if build and used correctly. So to blame a SGFC is kind of justna way to blame anything but what might actually be the problem
Whereas maybe 30-40% of people have any luck with a PMP ever.
I probably did build it wrong. I have had trouble from the start. Next time, I will make sure I don't deviate any from the tek
Edited new add: maybe I deviated and didn't even realize it.
Edited by Toomuchinfo (08/20/16 11:05 AM)
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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Toomuchinfo]
#23559703 - 08/20/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Most often that's the case. people come and type down they did everything perfect. And not list the variable that's wrong. Well if you knew it was wrong you would list it. So catch 22. Find what you're not doing perfect.
Saturating and waterlogged cakes are common as dry ones. Just right might seem "not just right" to someone with no frame of reference from experience.
When i was noob I always thought field capacity seemed too dry but it wasn't until I prepared my coir the way it should be not the way I thought it should be that successful grows happened
Of course I would have said what I did was field capacity, but it wasn't. Even with the squeeze drip trick I just wasn't squeezing hard enough either.
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