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PMP style terrarium
    #23477412 - 07/26/16 12:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hey everyone im just getting started i already spent alot of money between jars pc and all other things, I already have a clear 15qt container with about 1&1/2 inches of leca hydroton in there with an air stone
I dont have a lid so I'll need some suggestions and should I drill some hole on the upper sides for FAE also what size
Here are some things I was thinking about
before making holes I was thinking of just putting a window screen over the tub to allow additional free air exchange but im of afraid of hindering humidity levels
I have time to calibrate just wanted to hear from experienced growers
Btw making brf cakes
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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Psilocybe virgnsis]
    #23477644 - 07/26/16 04:25 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Psilocybe virgnsis]
    #23477650 - 07/26/16 04:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That's shitty you went and bought all this shit.. PMP is a very inferior fruiting chamber compared to SGFC. Every week there's some epic cakes and trays done in a sgfc, the more modern chamber. Very sexy stuff.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Mad Season]
    #23477676 - 07/26/16 04:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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That's shitty you went and bought all this shit.. PMP is a very inferior fruiting chamber compared to SGFC. Every week there's some epic cakes and trays done in a sgfc, the more modern chamber. Very sexy stuff.




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PMP's are obsolete.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23477988 - 07/26/16 08:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I didnt buy the things for the terrarium I just already had the stuff and was wondering if I could get use out of it maybe instead of perlite I can use my leca shot gun it and add an air stone submersed in a glass of water?


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Psilocybe virgnsis]
    #23478031 - 07/26/16 08:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Unfortunately no, air pumps and air stones have no place in in this hobby. Use it for your fish tank or throw it away


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Bunji Fungi]
    #23478366 - 07/26/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ok I guess I have a few weeks before I fruit ill get some perlite and go sgfc, Ill do some reasearch on small chambers or just get a new storage container all together
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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23487365 - 07/28/16 08:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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That's shitty you went and bought all this shit.. PMP is a very inferior fruiting chamber compared to SGFC. Every week there's some epic cakes and trays done in a sgfc, the more modern chamber. Very sexy stuff.




:whathesaid:

PMP's are obsolete.




I have no idea why you guys would say that.

When dialed in correctly pmps work great and are a hell of a lot easier to assemble than the sgfc.

Both have pros and cons and both are great methods for a newbie to fruit some fungus.

Truth be told a tub with some perlite in the bottom and a willingness to fan it a few times a day works just as good as the first two methods.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: george castanza]
    #23488354 - 07/29/16 06:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Bunji Fungi]
    #23488404 - 07/29/16 06:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

George, I'm surprised to hear a TC say this. Pretty much everyone tells me and other noobs that PMP's are obsolete because after years of cobweb mold and crappy yields people figured out a way to make a better chamber, siting the standing water and lack of FAE as reasons for obsoletion.

Most people who suggest they are going to make a PMP or even use the word air pump are ridiculed, mocked and told they are reading out dated info. I was even told by a long time member that I should not be allowed to post at all after I said to another member that I didn't know how using an air pump with his SGFC would hurt.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Bunji Fungi]
    #23488428 - 07/29/16 07:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

While I don't agree with you being mocked, I do agree that a PMP is a lot more expense and less return.

When I first started my mushroom adventures I spend a lot of time and money on chambers. The rich man's pod was an utter pain in the ass and performed horribly. The PMP was a small step up, but still underperformed for me. In fact the only PMP that I ever saw an impressive grow in was made by blue helix. However he had to adjust the original design quite significantly to get it to work right.

I recommend a sgfc because it's simple to build correctly and while it does take a lot of time to drill the holes, you only do it once. But in all honesty I don't really use a sgfc much anymore either. I can fruit almost anything cube related in a monotub with ease. So that's what I do.

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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23488687 - 07/29/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure I understand what cons the SGFC has to the PMP... other than "mehhh too lazy" getting in the way of the right choice.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23488873 - 07/29/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If I had to tell a noob to follow a tek to the T, but rig it to make it work, then that doesn't sound like something worth mentioning to a noob. If you understand what they need, and how everything reacts to environments, you can grow with literally any configuration, even open air.

For a noob tho who wants to bang out epic grows without wasting their time, SGFC tek to the T is how ya do it.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Mad Season]
    #23488965 - 07/29/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I like to fabricate and have been around for awhile .. so over the years I have personally tried many of the different chambers.

my buddy, just me, was living high on the volcano and having a tough time with the cultures we had and cold temperatures.  he tried my old PMP and the fish tank heaters in the standing water definitely heated things up. With the temperature differentials and low airflow, we got all kinds of condensation and over saturated substrates and mushrooms.  so we piped in more fresh air and got everything to finally work ok.

in the warm water, you're going to breed all kinds of nasty stuff.  (a reason TIT incubators are weak)

anyway, as stated, you can make all kinds of stuff work, but there are simpler passive options that also work better imho.

edit. on a positive note: you learn something with each thing you try


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: uncle_rico]
    #23489283 - 07/29/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Find ten threads with a PMP and also pictures of it producing good results.

I'll wait.

The SGFC is far more automated than a PMP, cheaper, less maintenance. And better results....


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Mad Season]
    #23491406 - 07/30/16 05:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If you understand what they need, and how everything reacts to environments, you can grow with literally any configuration, even open air.






This, basically. We are not saying PMP's can't work, especially for someone who uses them on the regular and has more experience in his pinky finger than I do in my whole body. When it comes to newbies though, a PMP is a very poor choice. A SGFC is far less complicated, even fanning isn't "a must". It's the perfect way to learn the basics if someone wants to go the cake route IMO.

Although, I do agree with pasty, monotubs require even less maintenance and are even easier to use overall, which is why most growers end up using them exlusively after they get a taste of them. IMO, if a newb has a means of sterilizing grains, doing trays and filling a mono with them would be faster, easier and more fruitful than cakes in a SGFC.


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte] * 1
    #23496050 - 07/31/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I really do agree with the mono tubs. They are probably the easiest way for a newbie to grow. I used them, or a form of them for my very first grow with brf, I cased my cakes with the 50/50+.

So when I went for another grow at another time in another place I set up a pmp and had so much success with it I set up another.

Fast forward a few years and while I was putting a pmp grow together I see everyone raging on these boards about the shotgun, so I spent some time one afternoon drilling a zillion fucking holes in a tub and then used it to fruit cakes with success equal to the pmp.

One thing I don't like about the sgfc is the need to water that bitch every day. If you got your holes right it does provide superior fae but that comes with the price of having to replace all that water that is leaving your chamber. The pmp takes a little dialing in, but once you get it you don't have much of a daily maintenance for your grow. Another thing I didn't care for was the mess a sgfc creates, little pieces of perlite falling out of the bottom as well as the water dripping out the bottom every time you soak the chamber down (daily). Not to mention the fact that you need some kind of feet on it to ensure proper intake of fresh air.

All that being said if you're at all concerned with the stealth of your grow the sgfc is not one bit stealthy. Wtf is that!?!? A question I've heard over and over if anyone ever lays eyes on that thing. Even now that I use the tub for storage whenever anyone looks at it I get questions. Now the pmp is not really very stealthy in itself because that water bubbling 24/7 makes noise, and if you have a few of them stacked up not only do all those airpumps create a lot of noise but the tubs will burp themselves when the pressure builds up and that makes a loud noise as well. Now you can try to muffle the noise and drill an extra hole for pressure release and all that but still not ultra stealthy. Let's also not forget that with all those air tubes running around everywhere makes these fuckers hard to move around and if anyone sees all that tubing they are likely to become suspicious. Both of these setups work but IMO they are both just as dated.

OK so let's talk about my personal favorite method for the newbie who wants to do a small cake grow on a budget and needs it a little on the stealthy side. A tub with a few inches of perlite in the bottom.

A simple single tub with a few inches of perlite in the bottom works just as good as a pmp or a sgfc if you fan it a few times a day. What!?!? You say that since your a newbie your probably going to be checking on those cakes at least ten times a day anyhow, might as well fan and mist!

I'm just saying the sgfc is old, maybe even older than the pmp. Saying a tek is old and then declaring it outdated without actually ever even trying the tek out yourself seems silly to me. Am I just the luckiest asshole in the world because these teks all worked great for me? Probably not. I did my research and carefully planned for success. As far as the name poor man's pod, well I guess back in the day spending $100 at the hardware store was cheaper than spending $400 with whoever was selling the round cool looking version that was a poor performer, the "hydropod" they were calling it.

I was just using the old tub full of perlite and fruiting a few cakes in it (tub held 32 cakes comfortablly) and moved into a one bedroom apartment in the city and decided against hitting the fairgrounds for horse shit because I didn't want to fuck around with all the leaching and bullshit but still needed to up my grow for personal reasons, so I set up a pmp with two big boy air pumps and it worked great, so when fruiting chamber real estate became premium i set up another real quick, led to another and the next thing you know I got 8 of these fuckers in my bedroom in this one bedroom apartment. The great part was the stackability of the setup, fresh tub full of cakes on bottom and I would let them work there way to the top for harvest(try that with sgfc). I kept them in two stacks and I had constructed this octopus box that had all the airpumps and a bunch of polyfil to filter the air that sat under one of the stacks. When I finally moved back to monos (I wanted to grow pe again), I couldn't believe how easily all that pmp bullshit had gotton out of hand. When I was breaking them all down I realized I had about a thousand dollars invested in all that bullshit because mostly i was just too lazy to fan and mist, to be fair to myself I have to say fanning and misting eight tubs full of cakes on the daily would consume quite a bit of time, also it's nice to take a long weekend and not worry about your grow.

Anyhow what I'm saying is that the sgfc is every bit as dated as the pmp, the simple tub with perlite fanned often and misted regularly would kick both of their asses for sure on every level.

Outdated/incorrect info with mentioning...

misting shield, you're not going to be needing one of these.

Casing layers, you don't need to worry about casing your bulk substrates, it is simply not necessary but it used to be common practice. However casing grains is a whole different type of grow, so lets not confuse the two.





I would recommend that you start out with one mono type set up if you're new, spawn some horse manure with your choice of grain, or case the grain, itself, either way take it slow and don't try to do too much until you get the hang of it. Patience is rewarding a thousand fold in this hobby.

I'm not trying to be a dick about anything I'm just tired of reading people that don't know telling people that don't know about things that they just don't know. It's really easy and simple to do a small grow, ya know?


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Re: PMP style terrarium (moved) [Re: george castanza]
    #23496093 - 07/31/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I like casing stuff :frown:


My personal favorite small grows. Needs a PC of course but materials are so cheap for this that excluding the cost of pp5s and the pop bottle top, it's about 5 cents a container for materials.




They might have been lacking a smidge of FAE but the yield was on point.


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Re: PMP style terrarium [Re: Psilocybe virgnsis]
    #23496141 - 07/31/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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They might have been lacking a smidge of FAE but the yield was on point.




At the end of the day that is what truly matters. :smile:

I've been wanting to do some of those and give them away for gifts, I think they kick ass!


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Psilocybe virgnsis said:
Hey everyone im just getting started i already spent alot of money between jars pc and all other things, I already have a clear 15qt container with about 1&1/2 inches of leca hydroton in there with an air stone
I dont have a lid so I'll need some suggestions and should I drill some hole on the upper sides for FAE also what size
Here are some things I was thinking about
before making holes I was thinking of just putting a window screen over the tub to allow additional free air exchange but im of afraid of hindering humidity levels
I have time to calibrate just wanted to hear from experienced growers
Btw making brf cakes
Thanks




After rereading this I already see what's going to make this one a poor performer, single air stone. You need bubble wands note I used the plural. If you don't have enough fresh air your going to wind up contaminated. That has got the be the #1 cause of a pmp sucking ass, the builder skimping on air pumps. It is damn near impossible to hook to big of an airpump up, or too many airpumps into your pmp. (Again the name hardly suits the chamber if it's built right)


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Re: PMP style terrarium [Re: george castanza]
    #23496158 - 07/31/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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They might have been lacking a smidge of FAE but the yield was on point.




At the end of the day that is what truly matters. :smile:

I've been wanting to do some of those and give them away for gifts, I think they kick ass!





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