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Re: 25i / shroom afterhell FEEDBACK [Re: 404]
    #23477311 - 07/25/16 11:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the feedback.


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Re: 25i / shroom afterhell FEEDBACK [Re: iLLeXXXX]
    #23478056 - 07/26/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ty for the feedback man


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Re: 25i / shroom afterhell FEEDBACK [Re: iLLeXXXX] * 2
    #23478077 - 07/26/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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iLLeXXXX said:
took nbome 20 times over 5 month span shrooms 5 times and molly three times as well. Been feeling like shit since the begginging of 2015.. Still smoke pot... Basically anx heavy headed overall no motivation no confidence extreme thinking.. Tips?





Sounds like you depleted your brain of neurons

Now you're a potato


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Re: 25i / shroom afterhell FEEDBACK [Re: plasma]
    #23478152 - 07/26/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I have beem smoking daily for 10+ years and I really never feel any negativity from it :shrug: I understand that everyones body differs to an extent. Weed helps me, it always has. You just need to find your equilibrium op, experiment a little(ex: smoke more/less, switch to edible only, quit) do whatever works but dont hate me just because you cant handle it.


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Re: 25i / shroom afterhell FEEDBACK [Re: spirit_shadow] * 1
    #23478208 - 07/26/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Weed has a lot of neuroprotective benefits and a lot of benefits for people who have suffered brain damage. I'm sure what you are experiencing is the result of the extreme toxicity of nbomes including likely Brain damage from the nbomes. Because cannabis is very beneficial for many kinds of Brain damage, I personally believe that cannabis is more likely to help than to harm, unless you are experiencing psychosis which it could worsen. I am not telling you to use any drug, I am just saying the balance of research strongly supports cannabis use helping , not hurting, brain damage recovery and brain healing.


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Re: 25i / shroom afterhell FEEDBACK [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23478316 - 07/26/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

At least a few people have chimed in reasonably.
And then there's a few people on the SHROOMERY of all places telling someone to not smoke weed? 

:whattefuck2: GTFO.


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Re: 25i / shroom afterhell FEEDBACK [Re: abltsandwich] * 2
    #23478361 - 07/26/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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spirit_shadow said:
I have beem smoking daily for 10  years and I really never feel any negativity from it :shrug: I understand that everyones body differs to an extent. Weed helps me, it always has. You just need to find your equilibrium op, experiment a little(ex: smoke more/less, switch to edible only, quit) do whatever works but dont hate me just because you cant handle it.




No one is hating you..?

Weed can worsen mental problems... This is well known. just because you don't have issues with it doesn't mean others don't as well... Generally, as a rule of thumb when people start having problems after drug use, the #1 bit of advice given is to stop using all drugs like weed alcohol dope etc.

and lol @ moonshoe

Hippocampal Neurotoxicity of THC

A review of the literature suggests that both age during exposure and duration of exposure may be critical determinants of neurotoxicity. Cannabinoid administration for at least three months (8-10% of a rat's lifespan) was required to produce neurotoxic effects in peripubertal rodents, which would be comparable to about three years exposure in rhesus monkeys and seven to ten years in humans. Studies of monkeys after up to 12 months of daily exposure have not consistently reported neurotoxicity, and the results of longer exposures have not yet been studied.


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Re: 25i / shroom afterhell FEEDBACK [Re: 404]
    #23478410 - 07/26/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

"Findings have shown that cannabis offers therapeutic benefits following brain injuries. Studies have shown that the cannabinoids found in cannabis, most specifically cannabidiol (CBD), activate the body’s cannabinoid receptors (CB1 and CB2), though evidence also suggests that the neuroprotective effects from CBD come from the cannabinoid’s activation of the 5-hydroxytriptamine1A (5-HT1A) receptor (Mishima, et al., 2005). When these receptors are activated, they provide protection against neural damage following acute and chronic brain damage (Lopez-Rodriguez, et al., 2013). For example, in one study, the administration of cannabinoids following a traumatic brain injury decreased brain swelling and inflammation and was shown to improve recovery (Shohami, et al., 2011). Another showed that CBD alone provided neuroprotection and limited brain cell death in newborn mice following a hypoxic-ischemic event (Castillo, et al., 2010). Others have showed that cannabinoids, through the activation of the endocannabinoid system, prevent glutamate excitotoxicity, intracellular calcium accumulation, activation of cell death pathways, microglia activation, neurovascular reactivity and circulating leukocytes following a brain injury. Researchers concluded that modulating the endocannabinoid system is an effective way to provide neuroprotection and prevent and reduce brain injury (Fernandez-Lopez, Lizasoain, Moro & Orgado, 2013).

Addition research has shown that cannabis’ cannabinoids provide brain and neuroprotection caused by disorders. One found that CBD reduces the oxidative stress and Alzheimer’s hallmark protein (β-amyloid), thus limiting nerve damage caused by the disorder and improving cell viability (Harvey, et al., 2012). An animal study showed that CBD and tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) treatments were effective at delaying and limiting neural damage caused by Huntington’s disease (Sagredo, et al., 2011). Another found that CBD, in addition to providing neuroprotective effects and reducing long-term brain injury, also helped restore neurobehavioral function following a hypoxia-ischemia event (Pazos, et al., 2012).

Studies have also shown that cannabis can help post-concussion syndrome patients manage the symptoms associated with the disorder. CBD can lower stress, help combat depression, improve sleep and reduce pain (Abush & Akirav, 2013) (Campos, et al., 2012) (Chagas, et al., 2013) (Russo, Guy & Robson, 2007) (Baron, 2015)."

http://www.medicalmarijuanainc.com/post-concussion-syndrome-medical-marijuana-research-overview/


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Re: 25i / shroom afterhell FEEDBACK [Re: Moonshoe] * 2
    #23478446 - 07/26/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
I'm going to completely ignore the data you presented and post about a condition completely irrelevant to the OP




Yep, typical moonshoe post. Op probably doensn't have alzheimer's or huntingtons or hypoxia-ischemia, you're posting stuff that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the OP.



Also, cannabidol is another story, and the weed you typically buy from dealers and shops isn't really going to be CBD specific grown... if you live in a medi state, yeah sure you can get some from a dispensary, but that's about the extent of that. THC can worsen brain-fog and memory, and is known to be neurotoxic in the long-term due to it's lipophilic properties from the article that i linked above.


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Re: 25i / shroom afterhell FEEDBACK [Re: 404]
    #23478476 - 07/26/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The information I posted proves that cannabis is neuroprotective through multiple mechanisms against multiple kinds of brain damage Including but not limited to oxygen deprivation, physical trauma, inflammation, toxicity and multiple disease conditions .

It's clear that cannabis provides a broad spectrum of neuroprotective benefits and is a valuable treatment for numerous forms of brain damage.

Whether you hit your head, have a stroke or have any of a variety of neurological diseases or disorders, cannabis can likely help protect and heal your brain through mutiple mechanisms.

As an anti inflammatory and neuroprotective that also stimulates neurogenesis, cannabis is good medicine for the brain and a good treatment for not just one form of brain damage, but many.

You say "post about a condition completely irrelevant to the OP" , but the research I posted isn't about a single condition but several, and not one of them is irrelevant to the OP, given that they all attest to the value of cannabis in healing brain damage from multiple sources and through multiple mechanisms.

Again I am not telling anyone to do any drug. Only they can make that choice.

What I am saying is that the evidence is overwhelming that cannabis is an effective medicine for the treatment of a variety of forms of brain damage from a variety of causes, and is unquestionably neuroprotective through multiple mechanisms.


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Edited by Moonshoe (07/26/16 12:09 PM)


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Re: 25i / shroom afterhell FEEDBACK [Re: Moonshoe] * 5
    #23478528 - 07/26/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This is ridiculous.

Have you experienced this first hand? Why are you throwing bullshit articles about nothing out when you have no clue what OP is going through.

Would you give a schizo a joint and tell him to chill if he was having full on hallucinations?

Neuroprotective and psychologically helpful are 2 completely different things


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Re: 25i / shroom afterhell FEEDBACK [Re: iLLeXXXX] * 2
    #23478534 - 07/26/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)


While I've never tripped that heavily in a year before, I have had to deal with getting way out into some tumultuous waters before and I'm no stranger to acute anxiety.

I've never personally contacted a therapist, but maybe that would help you to figure out how to cope with your anxiety.



But here's a few tips I've learned:

come up with mantras, things to repeat in your mind to help you stay centered.

For me it was "this will pass, I will be Okay, I AM okay". Plus I think about 'god' or 'reality' a lot too and while I know that a lot of people get turned off by the idea of anything 'spiritual', I promise that if you just remember god ( more as the concept of the singular nature of reality than a deity ) you'll come back to equilibrium quickly.

When your thoughts are spinning out of control, lovingly and kindly remind yourself that they are just that: thoughts. Try to focus on your breathing and let go of needing to pop the bag and find the answers, they really aren't as important as you think they are when you're going a mile a minute.

And finally, be gentle with yourself, try not to judge yourself for not being "normal" or a "go-getter". Find things that you love to do and engage yourself with them, just get back into a routine and build yourself back up.
You're starting at ground zero, part of the function of psychedelics is that they can break down our mental structures, which means that we need to put in the work to build ourselves back up with the insights that we've gained.

You have an amazing opportunity here to unfold all of those profound, psychedelic states of mind which you've experienced on trips simply through your focus, love and intention.It's a wild ride but trust me the other side of it makes it so worth it!! :heart:

p.s. probably dry out too, i think smoking daily when you feel all that anxiety is just kind of a no brainer bad idea.


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Re: 25i / shroom afterhell FEEDBACK [Re: JvF] * 1
    #23478539 - 07/26/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I agree,cut off the weed.


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Re: 25i / shroom afterhell FEEDBACK [Re: Bumbaa]
    #23478611 - 07/26/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I just hope I can smoke again withtin 1-2 years and im sure ill be able too... I've heard of people taking way more then i have and being fine. What really gets to me though is thinking about how everything was before all this and how i could smoke and be fine all day. Now its almost a shit show.


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Re: 25i / shroom afterhell FEEDBACK [Re: JvF] * 2
    #23478846 - 07/26/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

As I said in my first post in this thread, if he is having mental illness issues like psychosis / schizophrenia , then he shouldn't use cannabis as it will likely worsen those issues.

If on the other hand he is not having psychosis like symptoms , There are good reasons to believe cannabis could be healing for brain damage possibly caused by the NBOMEs.

And as I have repeatedly said, all I am saying is that cannabis is a promising treatment for brain damage.
That doesn't necessarily mean it's a good choice for the OP specifically. Only he can assess that.

I do know that If I ever suspected myself to have sustained brain damage I would use vaporized and oral cannabis as one part of my recovery process, along with nootropics like Noopept and alpha GPC choline, because there is actual scientific evidence that nootropics and cannabis are useful In these kind of circumstances.

Taking Your advice on the other hand (drink alcohol), would certainly make things worse, as alcohol is directly neurotoxic and carcinogenic and associated with worsening every kind of mental and physical illness.

Having sustained neurological insult from NBOME abuse, increasing alcohol intake will only increase the harm suffered by the brain.

It's quite hilarious that you call my advice (to consider the scientific evidence for the brain healing properties of cannabis) "ridiculous" when you own advice was "try drinking".

:lol:

At end of the day though, the real lesson here is this : stay the fuck away from Nbomes.


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Edited by Moonshoe (07/26/16 02:04 PM)


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Re: 25i / shroom afterhell FEEDBACK [Re: JvF] * 4
    #23478972 - 07/26/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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JvF said:
This is ridiculous.

Have you experienced this first hand? Why are you throwing bullshit articles about nothing out when you have no clue what OP is going through.

Would you give a schizo a joint and tell him to chill if he was having full on hallucinations?

Neuroprotective and psychologically helpful are 2 completely different things




I had to hit a schizophrenic (coincidentally my best friend) with 3mg ativan IM after she kicked me (240 lbs, 13%bf) like five feet into a wall, onto my ass. I helped her through two schizophrenic events before that. The point of this is that she wanted to smoke weed, and then she garbled down over 7g of cubes :facepalm: behind my back.

Weed is not good for your brain moonshoe, and certainly not to anyone with mental disorders. You've been posting a lot of bullshit recently, on subjects that you have no perceivable authority to speak on (or medical reports and journals to substitute for it), and much of it has been dangerous. It pisses me off when I see dangerous medical advice on the internet, and especially on the shroomery.

I swear to fucking god if you mention weed for brain damage as primary treatment without going to see a neurologist one more time I'm going to hound your ass with science until you either rage quit, or accept science/medicine (not any of that vormag rosewater-esque shit)


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Re: 25i / shroom afterhell FEEDBACK [Re: abltsandwich] * 5
    #23479043 - 07/26/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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abltsandwich said:
At least a few people have chimed in reasonably.
And then there's a few people on the SHROOMERY of all places telling someone to not smoke weed? 

:whattefuck2: GTFO.




The Shroomery is about the spread of information and harm reduction.

If someone is experiencing some life-affecting issues from drug use and is using weed still, it can help to get back to total baseline to re-evaluate what is going on.

Especially when the symptoms OP described can be caused and exacerbated by weed- anxiety, a heavy headed feeling, no motivation, extreme thinking....


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Re: 25i / shroom afterhell FEEDBACK [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23479048 - 07/26/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

BINGO


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Re: 25i / shroom afterhell FEEDBACK [Re: 404]
    #23479134 - 07/26/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So what do you guys think? I'll be good? I don't think its brain damage because like i still function and all that and yadadada and i don't think i consumed enough to cause brain damage.. Possibly serotonin disorder though. Idk gimme feedback.


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Re: 25i / shroom afterhell FEEDBACK [Re: iLLeXXXX]
    #23479164 - 07/26/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

serotonin syndrome? no, probably not. brain damage is hard to 'feel' per se in some cases. Just get exercise, drink water, get rest, do what you need to do... your body will heal more than likely. Don't stress it. If you feel your symptoms worsening or not subsiding, talk to a good professional about it. preferably one that understands what a psychedelic drug is.


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