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Knowing/being God is not wisdom 1
#23476221 - 07/25/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It simply is the basis for an ongoing mystery, and you've always been that.
It is not 'something', therefore how is it that we find it?
God is removing the doubt that you are elsewhere, that you are someone else, that you are not Yourself.
That's all God is.
Peace!

(preaching to the choir???)
-------------------- Hostile humankind Can't you see you're fucking blind?
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Finding God is like seeing the back of your head for the first time.
It's always been there, just behind your eyes rather than infront.
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Re: Knowing/being God is not wisdom [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23476299 - 07/25/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think God can be found. That's my thinking. But there are people that think he's in a book or in a building or a human he for all they care.
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Re: Knowing/being God is not wisdom [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23476304 - 07/25/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's all subjective in my opinion
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It's all very much imagination.
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Re: Knowing/being God is not wisdom [Re: Morel Guy] 1
#23476606 - 07/25/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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As if to say we even understand what the imagination is
OP brought up that all is a mystery, at a certain point there are no answers, only questions. But those questions are the very tools which lead us to experiences of inner knowledge and awakening, so while it is all a mystery, I can say that I feel that it is meant to be.
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Re: Knowing/being God is not wisdom [Re: Chakra Shock]
#23476614 - 07/25/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Knowing what imagination is is easy but not it's limits or boundaries without social control exceptions.
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Re: Knowing/being God is not wisdom [Re: Morel Guy]
#23476695 - 07/25/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Imagination is God just as everything else is, encompassed, embraced and united with everything else you can see, hear, think, feel, smell or experience as body or spirit.
Thank God for imagination!
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Re: Knowing/being God is not wisdom [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23476701 - 07/25/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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If I experienced god with no limitations there is no way I could hide that. Cannot be described but many would out of exasperation. There is a power but I a, not going to find it practicing theology. It takes a peeling of the subconscious conscious interaction. Cannot be like a band aid and I think I like my personality to much to lose that.
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Re: Knowing/being God is not wisdom [Re: Morel Guy]
#23476787 - 07/25/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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you were never a ninja, then
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Re: Knowing/being God is not wisdom [Re: Morel Guy]
#23476817 - 07/25/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's not read.
It's experienced.
It's experienced by surrender of personality (in the moment you want to achieve initial knosis).
The problem is that people regard their personality as the band aid that they have always had and they are petrified of its removal in fear of bleeding to a point of helplessness, when infact, the opposite occurs. Atonement is acquired.
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Re: Knowing/being God is not wisdom [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23476846 - 07/25/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I heard when negative people use certain herbs their wisdom will judge their own will
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Re: Knowing/being God is not wisdom [Re: yeah]
#23476897 - 07/25/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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When I think of modern American Christianity it seems they are afraid of imagination. Doing anything to keep their mind illuminated in one spot and not seeing what all is in there.
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Re: Knowing/being God is not wisdom [Re: Morel Guy]
#23476954 - 07/25/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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God isn't limited to Christiany. That would be lack of imagination exemplified to assume that. 
Nonetheless, your claim could still be true as religion runs on the backbone of doctrine and as Martin Buber put it: 'Nothing so masks the face of God than religion' which sums it up well.
Those with open minds (following a religion or not) can discover what this 'God' label is (in many a context) by abiding by the surrender prerequisite mentioned. Atonement (at-one-ment) is achieved when the mind is freed from shackles of physical concerns and melds with the eternal ether - the essence of which, is 'God' or the potent essence of 'His' presence conveyed.
When it's experienced and understood, it goes beyond 'the man in the cloud' and is comprehended on an abstract level, which makes sense instantaneously as something you've always known (because it's always been part of you), yet still remains completely ineffable in the level of physical which is rendered irrelevant and seeingly non existent in that divine moment.
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Re: Knowing/being God is not wisdom [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23477601 - 07/26/16 03:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for the replies.
It's just so confusing for me. I have achieved something, I feel free, but all I'm doing is typing a message board post like I always did.
Ya know...
I mean, how comes it that I was not always free?
Did I not always do things this way?
Attainment is a mystery ...
Life is a mystery ...
I love it. I love you. I love this.
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Had a think about it on Facebook:
It is the acknowledgement that you have achieved nothing that begets the achievement of Enlightenment. If one can swallow the truth that they are no different from anyone else after so much tireless spiritual work, they enter Beautitude. Spirituality in this sense is simply setting yourself up for the ultimate, inescapable ego blow, for which your abilities are able to render capable - the intensity based on how dedicated you were to practice, which was more or less the purported aim, only it comes to fruition somewhat ironically, somewhat tactically. You are simply left without the choice of anything but Illumination - dying physically is just not tantalising enough, and simply suffering physically, mentally, emotionally has lost all worth. Death of all notions of having ever been born or having existed proceeds.
-------------------- Hostile humankind Can't you see you're fucking blind?
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Re: Knowing/being God is not wisdom [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23477834 - 07/26/16 06:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Doesn't sound possible without death. Being responsible to some degree to the body takes some attachment to the physical. I understand I have too much attachment to the physical. But the body isn't 100% my total experience.
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Re: Knowing/being God is not wisdom [Re: Morel Guy]
#23478878 - 07/26/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Morel Guy said: Doesn't sound possible without death. Being responsible to some degree to the body takes some attachment to the physical. I understand I have too much attachment to the physical. But the body isn't 100% my total experience.
It doesn't take death. It's the intermediate ether, not a destination of death.
You are always connected to physical to some degree unless you die and the involuntary nervous system works on its own accord without intervention as it does similarly to when you sleep.
It takes surrender as mentioned.
If you are too much attachment to the physical, by your own admittance, then you've got that to tackle and try before you claim that you'd need to die.
Edited by Duncan Rowhl (07/26/16 02:16 PM)
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Re: Knowing/being God is not wisdom [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23479064 - 07/26/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Duncan Rowhl said:
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Morel Guy said: Doesn't sound possible without death. Being responsible to some degree to the body takes some attachment to the physical. I understand I have too much attachment to the physical. But the body isn't 100% my total experience.
It doesn't take death. It's the intermediate ether, not a destination of death.
You are always connected to physical to some degree unless you die and the involuntary nervous system works on its own accord without intervention as it does similarly to when you sleep.
It takes surrender as mentioned.
If you are too much attachment to the physical, by your own admittance, then you've got that to tackle and try before you claim that you'd need to die. 
I think it's a long experience of breaking neural connections and forming news ones that are much more flexible/diverse. I get these free trips sometimes and I feel the ever so slight confusion and a bit or tension. Sometimes it's just to exciting but it's calmed down a good bit more. Elevated and illuminated with something more human as I age.
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Re: Knowing/being God is not wisdom [Re: Morel Guy]
#23479383 - 07/26/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can appreciate that you think it takes time and is biological.
There are people who are close to me who are seemingly at a great distance from understanding anything relating to spirit judging by their mannerisms in life to trivial issues. All too often, I'm tempted to describe how things don't really matter, assuming they could possibly just flip a switch in their minds to tune to a new, peaceful mindset, (and to understand that I don't care about the issue) but it's absolutely futile in most cases. They are deeply ingrained and invested in an existence that I'm taking with a pinch of salt with some levels of pacifism.
This is simply an observation to make the point, since I'm sure these people have an ultimate 'function' in life - both theirs and mine and vice versa, in reference to my existence. It just proves how we are all wired differently.
On the flipside, I do think that it is the egos game to convince oneself that spiritualism is either false or a long drawn affair to even partially understand, for the fact that it represents freedom and an animalistic 'enemy'. The claim is falsehood and all it takes is willingness and ability drop that veil. There is a saying relating to the work of Buddist monks on that very notion, but I fail to recall it.
The aforementioned people who I spoke of are either not aware of the veil, or are simply unwilling to drop it because of their qualities and identity being entrenched in bodily traits and material possessions.
I've referenced all of the above because I do believe it's that same veil which we can lower to reach the spiritual ether I speak of. Mushrooms simply allow the veil to be lowered much further. They always seems to pose the unspoken question 'We can go there, but do you want to go?' and in response, the body can drop all connections it has to material to get there, or it tries to get there whilst clinging to material identity, which consequently often renders a 'bad trip' or moderate level of discomfort as you state.
Edited by Duncan Rowhl (07/26/16 05:22 PM)
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Re: Knowing/being God is not wisdom [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23479540 - 07/26/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ya but to have my cake and eat it too with enjoyment and everything cake should be is the idea.
It's billions of switches. It's realizing that there are no switches and yet other people can be flipped.
I don't really know the end destination as I have not arrived.
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