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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23478660 - 07/26/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: The reason is because a lot of bombs are very easy to make, they just buy literally 2 ingredients from the hardware store and mix things together. A lot of people have blown up buses that way.
did you know that guns are also pretty easy to make as well... crazy innit
you clearly dont know shit about hardware stores or bomb making.
what are the two ngredients?
There's a few
Wasp spray alone would make quite powerful explosive, but you'd need to get like 60 cans
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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: falsereality] 1
#23478671 - 07/26/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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For the record Falsereality, that stuff is nowhere near stable or safe. Its easy to handle most of the time and completely randomly blows your hand off at another time.
All that talk about more stable forms is hogwash, the difference is not that great and both forms are present anyway.
Don't ever mess with that stuff people, seriously. Take this from a former pyro kid still in possession of 10 fingers, 2 eyes and both eardrums.
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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: Kinko] 1
#23478690 - 07/26/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kinko said: Yea it takes alot of strength and stamina to kill 15 people with a knive ... I could have taken the bastard after the 2nd victim started getting stabbed... japenese men are small by design it would be rather simple
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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: Asante] 1
#23478745 - 07/26/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Asante said: For the record Falsereality, that stuff is nowhere near stable or safe. Its easy to handle most of the time and completely randomly blows your hand off at another time.
All that talk about more stable forms is hogwash, the difference is not that great and both forms are present anyway.
Don't ever mess with that stuff people, seriously. Take this from a former pyro kid still in possession of 10 fingers, 2 eyes and both eardrums.
Agreed, plus I much prefer tannerite and .308's. Also Hexamine + 10 nitric acid → RDX(stable high explosive) + dinitromethane + ammonium nitrate + 3 H2O, the tricky part is obtaining fuming nitric acid and temperature control of the rxn.
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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: falsereality]
#23478792 - 07/26/16 01:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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RDX, lovely stuff. A very loud crack. I did that too as a young teen, hehehe. Way too dangerous, anything near it comes at you at 3 miles a second.
My specialty was detonating firecrackers of 10 grams average. Made the proper way, with paper and glue. It was enough for me, a 10gr detonation is LOUD and that was what I was after. I treated it like nuclear tests, so I suspended the devices to prevent anything being so close to it that it would be thrown.
I'm way too chicken to do any of that as an adult, if you do it right the risk is low but if it does go wrong you are maimed for life.
I like these now. Storebought, gram and a half of hard flash each (30x a US firecracker), nice BOOM without too much danger. The video audio does not do it justice, you feel the shockwave hit your skin.
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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: Asante]
#23478838 - 07/26/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Asante said: RDX, lovely stuff. A very loud crack. I did that too as a young teen, hehehe. Way too dangerous, anything near it comes at you at 3 miles a second.
My specialty was detonating firecrackers of 10 grams average. Made the proper way, with paper and glue. It was enough for me, a 10gr detonation is LOUD and that was what I was after. I treated it like nuclear tests, so I suspended the devices to prevent anything being so close to it that it would be thrown.
I'm way too chicken to do any of that as an adult, if you do it right the risk is low but if it does go wrong you are maimed for life.
I like these now. Storebought, gram and a half of hard flash each (30x a US firecracker), nice BOOM without too much danger. The video audio does not do it justice, you feel the shockwave hit your skin.
I know what you mean when you say loud, and those sound delightful. Much like the first dry ice "bombs" I made, I fortified a water bottle with ductape while I had it halfway filled with dry ice and cold water (to slow down sublimation, so I didn't blow my hands off. Threw that in my backyard with fellow neighborhood kids (those were the days, but so are these ) 20m away, that thing sounded louder than my .308, to this date, I have never heard an explosion so loud (this was way louder than a grenade)... pretty soon some police helicopters started flying around my neighborhood . Never got caught though.
I would definitely love to set some wild firecrackers/works off with you sometime, cookout too, would be a blast.
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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: falsereality]
#23478864 - 07/26/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wild firecrackers huh?
Sounds good. This is kinda like my 10 gram "nukes"
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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: Asante]
#23478885 - 07/26/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Asante said: Wild firecrackers huh?
Sounds good. This is kinda like my 10 gram "nukes" 
I'm legitimately laughing so hard right now, the dry ice bombs sounded EXACTLY like that. I need to save up some money for another international trip, I have friends in london, vienna, and france that I should visit (non shroomery members); the netherlands isn't too far out of the way (if you would be ok meeting me, that is).
Anyways, this trip will happen around 05/xx/17.
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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23479597 - 07/26/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: The reason is because a lot of bombs are very easy to make, they just buy literally 2 ingredients from the hardware store and mix things together. A lot of people have blown up buses that way.
did you know that guns are also pretty easy to make as well... crazy innit
you clearly dont know shit about hardware stores or bomb making.
what are the two ngredients?
Sugar and herbal remover (like Roundup which contains oxidizer) is one.
There's also hydrogen peroxide + acetone peroxide, which will set off an explosion. This is what Palestinians used in the previous intifadas, and they know their shit. Few years ago a Hezbollah operative blew himself up this way in a bus full of Israelis, in Bulgaria...
You can also kill somebody in the bathroom by putting an excess of sodium hydroxide in the sink of the toilet, bleach in the tank. When the guy flushes the toilet, he will get exposed to a massive dose of chlorine and die. Once the gas evaporates, it will look like a natural death, and will be difficult to figure out why he died.
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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: goop]
#23479646 - 07/26/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I own guns, and believe in the right for people to do so when properly qualified to do so.
But when a knife attack happens and people act like it somehow proves that gun control is pointless it doesn't ring true to me.
Yes people will still find ways to kill without guns, but it stands to reason the death toll would be higher if the murderer had a gun instead of a knife.
Imagine you were in your office building or school and a mass murderer was about to go on a killing spree.
If you had a choice would you rather the killer be armed with a knife or with a gun ?
Which scenario would make the killer more dangerous and lethal ?
Again, I support the right of people to own guns when properly qualified to do so.
But you can't pretend a crazy murderer with a gun isn't far more dangerous than one with a Knife.
When people try to take knife attacks as some sort of rebuttal of gun control arguments it seems totally transparent and unconvincing to me.
It's like saying "anyone can drive a car into a crowd, so they should be allowed to put a turret mounted machine gun on the car"
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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: Moonshoe]
#23479676 - 07/26/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Reminds me of the debate over "high capacity magazines" becuase obviously they will kill less people; still doesn't address the problem. So it's okay to kill ten kids but not 15? That kinda logic sounds idiotic to me
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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: NotTheDevil]
#23480071 - 07/26/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: The reason is because a lot of bombs are very easy to make, they just buy literally 2 ingredients from the hardware store and mix things together. A lot of people have blown up buses that way.
did you know that guns are also pretty easy to make as well... crazy innit
you clearly dont know shit about hardware stores or bomb making.
what are the two ngredients?
That depends on the hardware store and your ingenuity. For example, the easily made manganese heptoxide (prepared with acid drain cleaner and potassium permanganate) which is a shock sensitive explosive. Or you can combine stump killer (the kind that's high in nitrates) with any flammable material practically stuff it into the appropriate tube with a fuse. That's just off the top of my head for two ingredient explosives that could be made with stuff from my local hardware store.
Explosives can be simple if you know how they work.
manganese heptoxide... you forgot you'll also need a high molarity sulfuric acid, something you wont find at a hardware store and exceeds the 2 ingredient limit
the ANFO explosive with stump killer also isnt going to cut it because you'll need more than the stump killer and what ever flammable shit you're imagining, you'll need a booster for a self sustaining explosion or it will just burn
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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: Moonshoe]
#23480098 - 07/26/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: I own guns, and believe in the right for people to do so when properly qualified to do so.
who determine's what is properly qualified?
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But when a knife attack happens and people act like it somehow proves that gun control is pointless it doesn't ring true to me.
Yes people will still find ways to kill without guns, but it stands to reason the death toll would be higher if the murderer had a gun instead of a knife.
and yet there are thousands of gun involved murders in this country each year in which only one person is shot, why were there not dozens shot each time that a gun is involved. you have explicitly stated that if a gun was involved then more people would have died. how is it possible that all of these thousands of murders only had a single victim
oh, maybe because it isnt the weapon that is the problem but the person wielding it
I would deem you unfit to own a gun simply because you believe the gun is inherently dangerous
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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: Crystal G]
#23480158 - 07/26/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: The reason is because a lot of bombs are very easy to make, they just buy literally 2 ingredients from the hardware store and mix things together. A lot of people have blown up buses that way.
did you know that guns are also pretty easy to make as well... crazy innit
you clearly dont know shit about hardware stores or bomb making.
what are the two ngredients?
Sugar and herbal remover (like Roundup which contains oxidizer) is one.
lol... no.
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There's also hydrogen peroxide + acetone peroxide, which will set off an explosion. This is what Palestinians used in the previous intifadas, and they know their shit. Few years ago a Hezbollah operative blew himself up this way in a bus full of Israelis, in Bulgaria...
hahaha... and just what brand name would I buy acetone peroxide under at the hardware store?
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You can also kill somebody in the bathroom by putting an excess of sodium hydroxide in the sink of the toilet, bleach in the tank. When the guy flushes the toilet, he will get exposed to a massive dose of chlorine and die. Once the gas evaporates, it will look like a natural death, and will be difficult to figure out why he died.
you clearly dont know how toilets work. when you flush, you dump the tank which evacuates the bowl, they lye that was in the bowl is no longer there by the time a reaction would start. sure, there may be some trace amounts left behind for it to start generating chlorine gas but the intended victim would have a good 10 minutes before enough would be released to make him start coughing, assuming it's a small bathroom with no ventilation
think about what happens with the poo poo when you flush the toilet
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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23480174 - 07/26/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am talking specifically about mass murder sprees. In those cases when someone is intent on a mass murder spree aiming for the maximum number of victims, those mass murderers will be able to kill more when armed with a gun than when armed with a knife.
The reason there are many cases in America each year where only one victim is killed is because none of those are spree killings.
Spree killing is a distinct type of murder, and those murders will be far more lethal when the killer is armed heavily with guns than if they have only knives.
Lets be honest Prisoner1... what I just explained was obvious.
You were either being dishonest or trolling just now, I don't believe you are that stupid.
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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: Moonshoe]
#23480211 - 07/26/16 09:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: I am talking specifically about mass murder sprees. In those cases when someone is intent on a mass murder spree aiming for the maximum number of victims, those mass murderers will be able to kill more when armed with a gun than when armed with a knife.
mass murder sprees like where some guy goes in and stabs 15 people to death or builds a bomb and kills 80 people, or drives a truck into a crowd and kills 80 people
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The reason there are many cases in America each year where only one victim is killed is because none of those are spree killings.
or maybe because someone else with a gun stopped them before it was a killing spree
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Spree killing is a distinct type of murder, and those murders will be far more lethal when the killer is armed heavily with guns than if they have only knives.
Lets be honest Prisoner1... what I just explained was obvious.
You were either being dishonest or trolling just now, I don't believe you are that stupid.
sorry. how many guns were used to kill 84 people? how many guns were used on 9/11 to kill 3000 people? if someone wants to go on a killing spree, I think it's pretty well been proven that they'll find a way and a gun doesnt have to play any part. the attack in Nice took only a few minutes to kill 84 people, a man had people trapped for 3 hours in a bar but only killed 50 and wounded 50 more
let it sink in for a few minutes.... 84 dead, 303 wounded in a matter of minutes with no guns involved other than the one that shot the driver and stopped his rampage
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-crash-idUSKCN0ZU2K7
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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23480220 - 07/26/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok, hypothetical situation time-
Lets say that you Prisoner1 want to kill as many innocent people as you can (obviously I know you would never do this, just a thought experiment).
Are you asking me to believe you would not be more effective in this aim if armed with a semi automatic firearm with a knife?
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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: Moonshoe] 1
#23480233 - 07/26/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Ok, hypothetical situation time-
Lets say that you Prisoner1 want to kill as many innocent people as you can (obviously I know you would never do this, just a thought experiment).
Are you asking me to believe you would not be more effective in this aim if armed with a semi automatic firearm with a knife?
no, it would be more effective to build a bomb or to armor up a large truck
fuck your hypothetical situation. let's talk about real situations, 303 wounded, 84 dead in a matter of a couple of minutes because a madman drove a large truck into a crowd and started plowing people and he didnt need a fucking gun
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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23480269 - 07/26/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: hahaha... and just what brand name would I buy acetone peroxide under at the hardware store?
Acetone can be found in some paint thinners, as well as in nail polish remover.
They actually say the Brussels bombing was done with this method, and the guy simply used common items purchased from the hardware store.
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you clearly dont know how toilets work. when you flush, you dump the tank which evacuates the bowl, they lye that was in the bowl is no longer there by the time a reaction would start. sure, there may be some trace amounts left behind for it to start generating chlorine gas but the intended victim would have a good 10 minutes before enough would be released to make him start coughing, assuming it's a small bathroom with no ventilation
think about what happens with the poo poo when you flush the toilet
You mistake what I mean when I say sink of the toilet.
In European and Japanese toilets, there is a sink on top of the toilet for people to wash their hands. It automatically runs with water every time the toilet is flushed, and it mixes with the tank.
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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: Crystal G]
#23480382 - 07/26/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Acetone can be found in some paint thinners, as well as in nail polish remover.
acetone is not acetone peroxide
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They actually say the Brussels bombing was done with this method, and the guy simply used common items purchased from the hardware store.
the media says a lot of shit you fail to realize you'll need a catalyst for the reaction between the two primary ingredients and a neutralizing agent so that's 4 ingredients which exceeds your 2 ingredient maximum
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You mistake what I mean when I say sink of the toilet.
In European and Japanese toilets, there is a sink on top of the toilet for people to wash their hands.
oh... and you still dont understand how any of it works
you flush to toilet and what was in the tank dumps what was in the bowl in addition to the bulk of what was in the tank, that's what makes the poopie go down, what runs in the sink is coming straight from the supply line in order to have pressure for hand washing, it's fresh water and again, if you managed to set something up, surely the guy would notice the smell of the bleach in the tank, ble let's assume he doesnt, isnt he going to find the lye in the sink portion of the toilet that isnt really common anywhere in the world to be a little unusual? let's assume he doesnt. you flush and all the bleach goes down the drain, a little of the lye ends up in the tank where the bleach was, a little may be left behind in both the tank and the bowl but it's certainly not going to be enough to kill the guy because you've also diluted all of it with all that water being used to refil the tank and the bowl. so let us say there is a reaction, he smells the chlorine gas and simply walks out and calls the front desk or the police or who ever he wishes to call.
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