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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: deucedbi9]
    #23476505 - 07/25/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

A person with inherited diseases can reduce the likelihood of passing those on via embryo screening.  Also a person with no inherited diseases and a family history of inherited diseases can reduce the likelihood of passing those on.

Unfortunately for some families there will be no good viable embryos.

It's sorta the opposite of knocking boots with your cousin thinking your going to better humanity.  Not so sure you would get that.


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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: deucedbi9]
    #23476529 - 07/25/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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There has always been an attitude that the worlds problems can be solved with violence. 

I'm all for embryo selection.  That's a better form of eugenics.  Giving your kids the best chance they can to live a life.

Killing them won't get ride of the inherited diseases.  The nazi's tried that and it wasn't going to work the way genes are passed on.




If by "killing them" you mean the 15 killed in this story then no, Eugenics would not be of any use in combating inherited diseases.
Media reports said, "those killed range in age from 60 to 80" so would have already bred, and potentially passed on their 'genetic fuck ups' to their offspring, way past the time at which Eugenics would be of any use on them, Euthanasia on the other hand...

It is the offspring, that can be tested for carrying these "genetic fuck ups" that should be aborted/ smothered as close to birth as possible, or, as soon as they are found to be possitive carriers of such fuckups, just as the :tard:'s used to be smothered at birth, before the advent of the National Health Service (NHS) or, 'communisticated health care' as Americans might say, and the popularisation of hospital births.

Or, maybe society should allow the breeding of what are little more than human pets that will require a lifetime of looking after.




So eugenics is a safe method of social selection as long as it's not in the form of "racial cleansing." That's what you are saying right?

Here is a good question though. How do you isolate bad genes anyway? What about inherited genes that don't appear as traits in people until they get older? Remember, natural selection already exists in the form of evolution. How exactly do you think people can do a better job of gene selection then nature can?

Ok, so eugenics speaking, without mass murder like Hitler you propose that those born without strong inherited traits be aborted before born? All coupling though will try and pass on the good genes and throw out the bad ones. So are you speaking of trying to cut out all bad genes 100%? Ok, well then if you aborted the kid based on his parents having any slightly defective genes then how would you base their parents defects other then through racial profiling? Also, don't forget some people consider abortion murder.

If you can convince me it's possible without sounding like you are getting close to Hitler's mentality then there's a chance I will agree with you.


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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: imachavel]
    #23476608 - 07/25/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I cannot for,the life of me read what you wrote.  Ok maybe for he life of me I read just enough to know that ya don't know the subject.

Embryo screening looks for genetic markers associated with absolutely any trait.  It can be a used say for a genius, or blonde hair and blue eyes or even a huge dick or tits!  But it can also select offspring that do not inherit mental illness, diabetes, increased cancer, retardation or any inherited disability such as blindness.  Sure some disabilities happen to people that didn't inherit genes for like having an accident or being shot and losing brain matter or a spinal injury.


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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: deucedbi9]
    #23476710 - 07/25/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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f by "killing them" you mean the 15 killed in this story then no, Eugenics would not be of any use in combating inherited diseases.
Media reports said, "those killed range in age from 60 to 80" so would have already bred, and potentially passed on their 'genetic fuck ups' to their offspring, way past the time at which Eugenics would be of any use on them, Euthanasia on the other hand...

It is the offspring, that can be tested for carrying these "genetic fuck ups" that should be aborted/ smothered as close to birth as possible, or, as soon as they are found to be possitive carriers of such fuckups, just as the :tard:'s used to be smothered at birth, before the advent of the National Health Service (NHS) or, 'communisticated health care' as Americans might say, and the popularisation of hospital births.

Or, maybe society should allow the breeding of what are little more than human pets that will require a lifetime of looking after.





Holy shit!  You just went straight up Nazi!


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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: lowbrow]
    #23476720 - 07/25/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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f by "killing them" you mean the 15 killed in this story then no, Eugenics would not be of any use in combating inherited diseases.
Media reports said, "those killed range in age from 60 to 80" so would have already bred, and potentially passed on their 'genetic fuck ups' to their offspring, way past the time at which Eugenics would be of any use on them, Euthanasia on the other hand...

It is the offspring, that can be tested for carrying these "genetic fuck ups" that should be aborted/ smothered as close to birth as possible, or, as soon as they are found to be possitive carriers of such fuckups, just as the :tard:'s used to be smothered at birth, before the advent of the National Health Service (NHS) or, 'communisticated health care' as Americans might say, and the popularisation of hospital births.

Or, maybe society should allow the breeding of what are little more than human pets that will require a lifetime of looking after.





Holy shit!  You just went straight up Nazi!




Lmao

If there could be an army like the nazi's but LSD instead of meth would that be bad?  Something tells me hey wouldn't be nazi's.


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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: imachavel] * 1
    #23476743 - 07/25/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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deucedbi9 said:
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Morel Guy said:
There has always been an attitude that the worlds problems can be solved with violence. 

I'm all for embryo selection.  That's a better form of eugenics.  Giving your kids the best chance they can to live a life.

Killing them won't get ride of the inherited diseases.  The nazi's tried that and it wasn't going to work the way genes are passed on.




If by "killing them" you mean the 15 killed in this story then no, Eugenics would not be of any use in combating inherited diseases.
Media reports said, "those killed range in age from 60 to 80" so would have already bred, and potentially passed on their 'genetic fuck ups' to their offspring, way past the time at which Eugenics would be of any use on them, Euthanasia on the other hand...

It is the offspring, that can be tested for carrying these "genetic fuck ups" that should be aborted/ smothered as close to birth as possible, or, as soon as they are found to be possitive carriers of such fuckups, just as the :tard:'s used to be smothered at birth, before the advent of the National Health Service (NHS) or, 'communisticated health care' as Americans might say, and the popularisation of hospital births.

Or, maybe society should allow the breeding of what are little more than human pets that will require a lifetime of looking after.




So eugenics is a safe method of social selection as long as it's not in the form of "racial cleansing." That's what you are saying right?

Here is a good question though. How do you isolate bad genes anyway? What about inherited genes that don't appear as traits in people until they get older? Remember, natural selection already exists in the form of evolution. How exactly do you think people can do a better job of gene selection then nature can?

Ok, so eugenics speaking, without mass murder like Hitler you propose that those born without strong inherited traits be aborted before born? All coupling though will try and pass on the good genes and throw out the bad ones. So are you speaking of trying to cut out all bad genes 100%? Ok, well then if you aborted the kid based on his parents having any slightly defective genes then how would you base their parents defects other then through racial profiling? Also, don't forget some people consider abortion murder.

If you can convince me it's possible without sounding like you are getting close to Hitler's mentality then there's a chance I will agree with you.




>So eugenics is a safe method of social selection as long as it's not in the form of "racial cleansing."

I mean Eugenics by way of antenatal testing or, as I mentioned, visual diagnosis in certain cases, as a method to reduce the number of people that will be born to a lifelong dependence on the state.
I said nothing about "racial cleansing."

>How do you isolate bad genes anyway?
I don't know how that science works. Others may be able to explain how "embryo selection" works.
Antenatal testing in conjunction with abortion, can screen out a lot of the genetic fuck ups.

>natural selection already exists

We are circumventing "natural selection" every time we breed "human pets" that wouldn't otherwise survive.

>racial profiling?

I don't see the what "racial profiling" has to do with it.

>Also, don't forget some people consider abortion murder.

Well then maybe they should agree that they, and/or their church, if religious consideration is the reason they won't abort, and want to raise a human pet, should pay entirely for the lifelong needs of this, 'blessing from god,' without recourse to state funding.

>If you can convince me.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything, just stating an opinion.
Obviously, this won't solve the worlds population, or a countries economic problems, but, a mix of Eugenics and Euthanasia will help to reduce government spending and free up the NHS to treat the treatable, those that will be able to contribute when they are healed.
Again, just stating an opinion.

lowbrow said: "Holy shit!  You just went straight up Nazi!"

wow, you just went straight up.
:tard:


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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: deucedbi9]
    #23476755 - 07/25/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Embryo screening looks for embryos without any known inherited diseases and sometimes traits they people want to pass along.  There is no spicing yet, so far.  I think the bible bangers would really shit their pantaloons over that.


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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23476871 - 07/25/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Embryo screening looks for embryos without any known inherited diseases and sometimes traits they people want to pass along.  There is no spicing yet, so far.  I think the bible bangers would really shit their pantaloons over that.




They screen for embryos without any known inherited diseases?
Seems arsed backwards to me. Embryo screen to enable a choice of eye colour, or size of shlong, rather than awful hereditary genetic fuck ups is just so idiotically superficial.

Are these scientists based in San Francisco, the Sistine fucking Chapel, or some retarded backwater in the bible belt or what?


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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: deucedbi9]
    #23476906 - 07/25/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No, they select embryos without any markers for already known markers associated with disease.  It is possible new mutations could occur.  We do not know where we are evolving but I do not want to rule out possibility.  I read a theory that all people a long time ago where schizo.  So the mutation to not have delusion was the step forward and psychosis was not the new mutation as is thought to be.


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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: goop] * 3
    #23476986 - 07/25/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-sagamihara-stabbings-19-dead-8492641

Suspect is a 26-year-old man who went into a police station and said: “I did it”. "I want to get rid of the disabled."





thank god they've outlawed guns in japan, someone could have been killed if the guy had a gun


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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23477077 - 07/25/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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A person with inherited diseases can reduce the likelihood of passing those on via embryo screening.  Also a person with no inherited diseases and a family history of inherited diseases can reduce the likelihood of passing those on.

Unfortunately for some families there will be no good viable embryos.

It's sorta the opposite of knocking boots with your cousin thinking your going to better humanity.  Not so sure you would get that.




That is true, but you can only test for Down's Syndrome and other chromosomal disorders in the first trimester. Mental retardation can be tested for in the 2nd trimester now, but most states do not allow abortions past 12 weeks. Autism still unfortunately cannot be tested for in the womb.


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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: Asante]
    #23477245 - 07/25/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Police found a three-inch folding knife at the scene




Son, I am disappoint.




Dude they are handicapped people... It's not like they're gonna step out of their wheelchairs and run away





Its a dishonorable blade that makes for an inhumane death.








Just two suggestions.



Those knives would work well indeed for rapid slashing attacks, which in the hands of a master could easily take out a room full of unarmed people. Really, we're lucky there aren't more black belt mass murderers.


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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #23477267 - 07/25/16 10:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Any sharp knife will do in the hands of a master.


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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: D.M.T]
    #23477275 - 07/25/16 10:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Obviously this is because of gun control


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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: D.M.T]
    #23477277 - 07/25/16 10:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Any sharp knife will do in the hands of a master.



Even no weapon at all will do in the hands of a master. But the kills with a good blade will be incredibly efficient.


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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23477279 - 07/25/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-sagamihara-stabbings-19-dead-8492641

Suspect is a 26-year-old man who went into a police station and said: “I did it”. "I want to get rid of the disabled."





thank god they've outlawed guns in japan, someone could have been killed if the guy had a gun





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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: goop]
    #23477350 - 07/25/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

also applies to japan.... if senpai would even notice we exist




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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23477407 - 07/26/16 12:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Lol..wow.


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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #23477517 - 07/26/16 02:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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:ifyoucanawe:

What is it with you and knives?

Are you like a likable uncle by day and a serial killer by night?





Just likable all the way  :mostinteresting:


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Re: This guy in Japan just killed 15 disabled people with a knife today [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23477547 - 07/26/16 02:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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also applies to japan.... if senpai would even notice we exist







https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

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