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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: koods] 1
#23476677 - 07/25/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: You're more of a worry, then a comfort. Watching your country implode from afar in one of the most blatantly corrupt elections I've ever witnessed is unsettling.
Why is this country imploding? The last president was just as bad as any of these fucks and hey look, our economy is more well driven then ever before.
I think what you mean to say "from my point of view, it certainly looks like it's imploding." It does appear so huh? No way though, we are doing better then ever.
That's the narrative, but it's total fiction. The US has emerged from the recession as the strongest economy in the world. The stock market is at an all time high. Crime is essentially lower than it has been since te 60s. Real wages are finally rising again. We are at near full employment. Net illegal immigration is directed south, not north. Trump is selling a lie.
Yeah, 1.1% GDP growth is so great as consumer and business spending start declining. http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-gdp-growth-in-first-quarter-revised-up-to-1-1-rate-1467117151
The US economy is so strong that the Fed can't even hike interest rates from 0% for the past 8 years, a completely unprecedented monetary event.
We have 50 million on food stamps, 94 million working eligible US citizens are NOT working, we have the lowest worker participation rate in 40 years, we have the lowest home ownership rate in over 30 years, we have high rents, we have no wage growth in 15 years!!
Should I also mention the US debt has doubled to $20 trillion the past 8 years?
We also have the largest wealth and income inequality in over 80 years as the rich get even richer, it's been an economic disaster, why do you think Bernie and Trump supporters are the main theme of this election?
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is some chees [Re: qman] 1
#23476685 - 07/25/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: You're more of a worry, then a comfort. Watching your country implode from afar in one of the most blatantly corrupt elections I've ever witnessed is unsettling.
Why is this country imploding? The last president was just as bad as any of these fucks and hey look, our economy is more well driven then ever before.
I think what you mean to say "from my point of view, it certainly looks like it's imploding." It does appear so huh? No way though, we are doing better then ever.
That's the narrative, but it's total fiction. The US has emerged from the recession as the strongest economy in the world. The stock market is at an all time high. Crime is essentially lower than it has been since te 60s. Real wages are finally rising again. We are at near full employment. Net illegal immigration is directed south, not north. Trump is selling a lie.
Yeah, 1.1% GDP growth is so great as consumer and business spending start declining. http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-gdp-growth-in-first-quarter-revised-up-to-1-1-rate-1467117151
The US economy is so strong that the Fed can't even hike interest rates from 0% for the past 8 years, a completely unprecedented monetary event.
We have 50 million on food stamps, 94 million working eligible US citizens are NOT working, we have the lowest worker participation rate in 40 years, we have the lowest home ownership rate in over 30 years, we have high rents, we have no wage growth in 15 years!!
Should I also mention the US debt has doubled to $20 trillion the past 8 years?
We also have the largest wealth and income inequality in over 80 years as the rich get even richer, it's been an economic disaster, why do you think Bernie and Trump supporters are the main theme of this election?
I get that. I want some of the cheese!
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: qman]
#23476707 - 07/25/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: You're more of a worry, then a comfort. Watching your country implode from afar in one of the most blatantly corrupt elections I've ever witnessed is unsettling.
Why is this country imploding? The last president was just as bad as any of these fucks and hey look, our economy is more well driven then ever before.
I think what you mean to say "from my point of view, it certainly looks like it's imploding." It does appear so huh? No way though, we are doing better then ever.
That's the narrative, but it's total fiction. The US has emerged from the recession as the strongest economy in the world. The stock market is at an all time high. Crime is essentially lower than it has been since te 60s. Real wages are finally rising again. We are at near full employment. Net illegal immigration is directed south, not north. Trump is selling a lie.
Yeah, 1.1% GDP growth is so great as consumer and business spending start declining. http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-gdp-growth-in-first-quarter-revised-up-to-1-1-rate-1467117151
The US economy is so strong that the Fed can't even hike interest rates from 0% for the past 8 years, a completely unprecedented monetary event.
We have 50 million on food stamps, 94 million working eligible US citizens are NOT working, we have the lowest worker participation rate in 40 years, we have the lowest home ownership rate in over 30 years, we have high rents, we have no wage growth in 15 years!!
Should I also mention the US debt has doubled to $20 trillion the past 8 years?
We also have the largest wealth and income inequality in over 80 years as the rich get even richer, it's been an economic disaster, why do you think Bernie and Trump supporters are the main theme of this election?
94 million working eligible US citizens are not working? How the fuck did you get that number? Sounds like you're including everyone over the age of 16 like the participation number. Most 80 year olds aren't interested in working anymore.
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: koods] 1
#23476713 - 07/25/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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My 83 year old grandma would,like to work but things change too much for her. Grandpa cannot stop working for free. In their off time they enjoy the clockwork orange version of fox news.
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: koods]
#23476729 - 07/25/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Please provide proof of the 94 million 80 year olds in the US, thanks
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#23476735 - 07/25/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: imachavel]
#23476746 - 07/25/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ReposadoXochipilli said: have you not heard he is going to make america great again, he is a brilliant business man, latinos and the lgbt community love him!
it ins't like he is some narcissistic trust fund baby with zero ethics or morals.
No not at all
Sarcasm much
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: koods]
#23476762 - 07/25/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: You're more of a worry, then a comfort. Watching your country implode from afar in one of the most blatantly corrupt elections I've ever witnessed is unsettling.
Why is this country imploding? The last president was just as bad as any of these fucks and hey look, our economy is more well driven then ever before.
I think what you mean to say "from my point of view, it certainly looks like it's imploding." It does appear so huh? No way though, we are doing better then ever.
That's the narrative, but it's total fiction. The US has emerged from the recession as the strongest economy in the world. The stock market is at an all time high. Crime is essentially lower than it has been since te 60s. Real wages are finally rising again. We are at near full employment. Net illegal immigration is directed south, not north. Trump is selling a lie.
Yeah, 1.1% GDP growth is so great as consumer and business spending start declining. http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-gdp-growth-in-first-quarter-revised-up-to-1-1-rate-1467117151
The US economy is so strong that the Fed can't even hike interest rates from 0% for the past 8 years, a completely unprecedented monetary event.
We have 50 million on food stamps, 94 million working eligible US citizens are NOT working, we have the lowest worker participation rate in 40 years, we have the lowest home ownership rate in over 30 years, we have high rents, we have no wage growth in 15 years!!
Should I also mention the US debt has doubled to $20 trillion the past 8 years?
We also have the largest wealth and income inequality in over 80 years as the rich get even richer, it's been an economic disaster, why do you think Bernie and Trump supporters are the main theme of this election?
94 million working eligible US citizens are not working? How the fuck did you get that number? Sounds like you're including everyone over the age of 16 like the participation number. Most 80 year olds aren't interested in working anymore. 
You know very well that's based on ages 16 to 65. We could minus 25 million based on school and early retirement, but what about the other 70 million not working?
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: qman]
#23476774 - 07/25/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I also wonder why there are so many on assistance. I think work has damaged people. Too many wars to much bullshit.
How many years can someonemine coal? Or work dangerous jobs, or drink to deal with the bullshit cause Paxil ain't cutting it.
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: Morel Guy] 1
#23476799 - 07/25/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: I also wonder why there are so many on assistance. I think work has damaged people. Too many wars to much bullshit.
How many years can someonemine coal? Or work dangerous jobs, or drink to deal with the bullshit cause Paxil ain't cutting it.
I don't know what you're talking about, Koods insists we are living in an economic utopia.
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: Morel Guy]
#23476802 - 07/25/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just wait until Trump is elected, then progressives will finally admit the economy is in the shitter, and of course, they'll still blame Bush
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23476806 - 07/25/16 08:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your question is stupid.
I'd like qman to explain why he thinks there are 94 million working eligible people in the US who aren't working.
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You know very well that's based on ages 16 to 65. We could minus 25 million based on school and early retirement, but what about the other 70 million not working?
No I don't know that. I'm assuming you get that number from the participation rate data. The participation rate includes EVERYONE over the age of 16 - there is no upper limit.
This is easy to prove to you:
There are 151 million people employed in the US, and the population of people between the ages of 18-64 is 194 million. That leaves 43 million people in the traditional working age group who aren't employees (already you have a problem). We have to assume some of them are raising children or in school. Let's use your number of 25 million, Apparently qman believes that at least 76 million retirees , stay at home parents, and children should be working and they are not.
http://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/employed-persons
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23476807 - 07/25/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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We will be after trump right lol
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23476840 - 07/25/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Just wait until Trump is elected, then progressives will finally admit the economy is in the shitter, and of course, they'll still blame Bush 
You're completely ignoring the fact that the economy is not in the shitter. Could it be better? Yes. But it's outperforming the rest of the world and it's drastically improved in the past 8 years. If your personal economy is not doing well, that's a problem with you.
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: koods]
#23476863 - 07/25/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS15000000
Yes, 94 million over 16 are not working.
http://jobenomicsblog.com/tag/bureau-of-labor-statistics/
Yeah, the non-working eligible population has been growing.
Oh yeah, senior citizens in the workforce is also growing on a percentage basis, so much for the early retirement theory.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/07/number-of-older-americans-in-the-workforce-is-on-the-rise/
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: qman]
#23476896 - 07/25/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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And defaulting on your national debt will somehow correct this?
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: qman]
#23476900 - 07/25/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Must be all those "stay at home moms"
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23476901 - 07/25/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Who said anything about defaulting on our debt?
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23476912 - 07/25/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its Trumps MO when it comes to any sort of serious business matter. Watch him bankrupt you guys by throwing massive parades that have his image plastered everywhere and telling the companies he owes to shove it.
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23476919 - 07/25/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: And defaulting on your national debt will somehow correct this?
Has it every occurred to you that the credit cycle has been destroyed since 2008? https://www.janus.com/insights/bill-gross-investment-outlook When the private sector isn't providing any economic growth, it's up to the government to fill the void with fiscal policy. How in the world can Obama, Clinton, or Trump stimulate the economy with fiscal policy when debt to GDP is over 100%? They can't.
How do you define "defaulting on your national debt"? Is it printing money to buy US bonds? Is it currency devaluation? Is it missing an interest payment?
Japan has debt to GDP of over 200%, the Bank of Japan owns 40% of Japan bonds buying it with printed money, that's a default on debt, yet no one has said Japan has defaulted on its debt.
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