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#23476047 - 07/25/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Either way the man praises his Russian counterpart while talking about withdrawing from your most important alliance. He's considering not defending NATO countries, and to compound that with his predatory nature, its madness to even consider him a viable candidate. Look at the way he muscles that old man out of what he owed him. Dragging a hardworking, honest man into a room full of his "advisors", in the building he designed. Scribbling on a hand drawn architectural diagram. While fucking him out of the majority of money he owed him. You think he's actually gonna be out for you? The little guy?
"He's considering not defending NATO countries"
If they pay for the security, they will be defended with US blood, nothing should be free.
The US has over $19 trillion of Federal debt, we can NOT continue to for pay for NATO's defense budget, the freebies are over.
The corporate globalists make the US working class pay for this military budget when they're the one's benefiting from it, the US taxpayer agrees with Trump on this issue, that's why he's going to win a land-side election.
I have read that most of that debt is to the American people.
I guess you can have your politics or you can have your winning strategy. I haven't seen a shred of military genius within Trump.
It doesn't matter who holds US bonds, the debt is a real issue for the US and we can't afford anything like defending the EU and huge parts of Asia.
Trump is bringing up a serious economic issue with this stupid military spending, liberals used to preach that excess military spending was for harmful for everyone, now they don't say anything about it.
What is wrong with these countries paying for their own military defense, why do US taxpayers have to pay for it? We're broke with a credit card that doesn't work anymore.
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23476049 - 07/25/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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sounds like capitalism, isnt that cut throat mentality what the US is best at? Lets be honest here, this guy sounds like he is a retard for doing work without contracts/down payments.
That being said, everyone knows the power at be has already chosen Hillary as the next leader. Pointless to even talk about this.
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: qman]
#23476057 - 07/25/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you stop defending them, who will they turn to? If your trade economy takes a major hit because countries shift their focus from America to Russia financially you begin to lose out. Money depreciates, jobs die out and the economy contracts. The aid isnt charity. It keeps your economy running.
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23476073 - 07/25/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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It has to do with where armed fronts could occur. You lose a little bit you risk losing more. Those countries are too damn small to defend themselves. They need a big brother to stand guard for them.
I don't know enough to really get into a debate about the economics of warfare.
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: Morel Guy] 1
#23476100 - 07/25/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ya ya ya Asante knows everybody, but actually my father (who is a sailor) knows someone who had his entire shipyard go bankrupt because the good mr Trump had a super extravagant yacht built and then with the thing half built, declared bankruptcy and defaulted.
So yes, I recognize the modus operandi so I think the guy speaks truth.
This is also the same kind of stuff Zappaisgod accused him of.
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: Asante]
#23476107 - 07/25/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ya ya ya Asante knows everybody, but actually my father (who is a sailor) knows someone who had his entire shipyard go bankrupt because the good mr Trump had a super extravagant yacht built and then with the thing half built, declared bankruptcy and defaulted.
So yes, I recognize the modus operandi so I think the guy speaks truth.
This is also the same kind of stuff Zappaisgod accused him of.
Mabye America can declare bankruptcy with Turmp.
Just start all over again and build a different yacht.
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: Morel Guy]
#23476121 - 07/25/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Actually if he did that, and he might well, he'd actually end up saving America from under its crushing debt.
The guy is an asshole, but he does have the guts to crash the system nd someday soon you need a president to do that because a controlled crash is ten times better than a spontaneous disaster.
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] 1
#23476124 - 07/25/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you stop defending them, who will they turn to? If your trade economy takes a major hit because countries shift their focus from America to Russia financially you begin to lose out. Money depreciates, jobs die out and the economy contracts. The aid isnt charity. It keeps your economy running.
"The aid isn't charity"
They need to pay for their defense, maybe the countries in the EU and Asia should reallocate how they spend their budgets.
Are you suggesting they can't afford it?
"It keeps your economy running"
Paying the military bills for others? No, it doesn't. We can't afford it, we're broke.
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: Asante]
#23476134 - 07/25/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Actually if he did that, and he might well, he'd actually end up saving America from under its crushing debt.
The guy is an asshole, but he does have the guts to crash the system nd someday soon you need a president to do that because a controlled crash is ten times better than a spontaneous disaster.
The debt will have to be dealt with one day or another, if Trump wants to be the bad guy and starts pushing for that outcome, so be it.
Who knows, maybe the elites want that very scenario.
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: Morel Guy]
#23476141 - 07/25/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Does debt really mean anything? Is it bad to be 20, 40, or 100 TRILLION in debt? The debt, regardless of who it's owed to, has been getting much bigger under every president since Reagan.
So what's the solution?
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23476143 - 07/25/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Right now he's like 5% ahead of Clinton.
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: Morel Guy]
#23476145 - 07/25/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sanctions would be placed on America. Countries who they defaulted with would begin looking for other sources of security, trade would take a serious blow and its people would be faced with a major depression. A lasting one. It still hasnt recovered from the 08 crisis fully, and its minor in comparison to the impact of a default. A significant portion of investors would simply close shop and bolt. You would feel the blow financially.
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#23476192 - 07/25/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Does debt really mean anything? Is it bad to be 20, 40, or 100 TRILLION in debt? The debt, regardless of who it's owed to, has been getting much bigger under every president since Reagan.
So what's the solution?
Every country in the developed world has a massive debt problem, it can never be paid back, one day it will be everything and there's no escaping it.
It's not the end of the world, but it will be a different world.
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23476198 - 07/25/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sanctions would be placed on America. Countries who they defaulted with would begin looking for other sources of security, trade would take a serious blow and its people would be faced with a major depression. A lasting one. It still hasnt recovered from the 08 crisis fully, and its minor in comparison to the impact of a default. A significant portion of investors would simply close shop and bolt. You would feel the blow financially.
We are broke, bonds are defaulted on via currency devaluation every year in the global economy, shit happens.
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23476220 - 07/25/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Does debt really mean anything? Is it bad to be 20, 40, or 100 TRILLION in debt? The debt, regardless of who it's owed to, has been getting much bigger under every president since Reagan.
So what's the solution?
Legalization of drugs could certainly help 
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: qman]
#23476226 - 07/25/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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There is no controlled crashing in the space program, not that one will survive it.
Countries don't crash well when the world is dependent on them. The best thing to do would be to maintain world peace and do it cheaply. While building an economy that can be trusted.
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: Shroomopotamus]
#23476231 - 07/25/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Does debt really mean anything? Is it bad to be 20, 40, or 100 TRILLION in debt? The debt, regardless of who it's owed to, has been getting much bigger under every president since Reagan.
So what's the solution?
Legalization of drugs could certainly help
It's a hard balance of consequences. You can only be strong out for so long a perform so well. Can't be a nation of stoned couch potatoes hogging the wifi all day and call it a viable economy.
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: Morel Guy]
#23476288 - 07/25/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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There is no controlled crashing in the space program, not that one will survive it.
Countries don't crash well when the world is dependent on them. The best thing to do would be to maintain world peace and do it cheaply. While building an economy that can be trusted.
Exactly. This decision has immediate and long lasting personal repercussions. Land grabs are already happening. A sudden policy shift from imperialism to inaction would trigger wars. Whats going to happen to little old Isreal? America Armed the saudis to the teeth, what are they gonna do when theyre cut loose? Several of the countries over there have nuclear weapons. Turkey almost underwent a military coup. Theres a cash of variable payload nuclear bombs within the countries borders. Russias already annexing countries, and so is China. Troops are being massed at the borders. Suddenly having the key NATO player walk out of this is ridiculous. That vacuum would be immense.
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23476310 - 07/25/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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America: hated for intervening, despised for letting everything fall apart 
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Re: Man details what en excellent business partner Trump is [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] 1
#23476317 - 07/25/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sounds like you're stressing up there in Canada, are you afraid the big bad US won't defend Canadians from the coming polar bear invasion? 
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