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Black lives matter * 1
    #23475572 - 07/25/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What a bunch of bs this group is. Police aren't killing anyone that wasn't breaking the law in some fashion. Than the cops show up and there resisting arrest. So what's the point of blm ? They want the police to be nice and offer them a cupcake. I beleive democrats and blm are what's wrong with the world today


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Ifishhigh]
    #23475591 - 07/25/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Anything you do is fucking resisting arrest to them as far as I can tell from videos lol

You'll be laying on your hands with five officers on top you screaming "give me your hands!"
and when you can't pull your arms out from under you due to all of the weight you're resisting arrest.

I mean the cops in my area are actually pretty straight good cops.

The biggest law that you can brake in a corrupt officers eyes is disrespecting an officer.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: impatientguy]
    #23475611 - 07/25/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

They couldn't exist without compliance.

The video of the young African America shot who had a gun in the car and told the officer, when he was reaching for his ID that the officer said for him to get.  Just because they looked to the officer like what a robbery suspect looked like, black.

I can think of a million situations I don't want to be involved in with cops.  It never works out well with them.  I don't have their personality or one that they really care for.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23475677 - 07/25/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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They couldn't exist without compliance.

The video of the young African America shot who had a gun in the car and told the officer, when he was reaching for his ID that the officer said for him to get.  Just because they looked to the officer like what a robbery suspect looked like, black.

I can think of a million situations I don't want to be involved in with cops.  It never works out well with them.  I don't have their personality or one that they really care for.




Your personality should never be part of the equation when you interact with law enforcement.

Blacks resist arrest 8 times more than non-blacks, this is why they constantly have issues with law enforcement, this is not a cop issue, it's a thug issue.

Are there some bad cops? Yes, and we already have a system of how to deal with it.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
    #23475786 - 07/25/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ya I am not a thug but anyone can be framed as a thug.  Use drugs = thug.  Have premarital sex with drama = thug.  Get arrested or suspected of a crime = thug. 

I get that African Americans feel that they are victims.  It's been a horrible history for them in the United States.  How are victims supposed to react?  Even when cops are victims how do you suppose they react?  They set a precedence ya know.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #23475981 - 07/25/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Ya I am not a thug but anyone can be framed as a thug.  Use drugs = thug.  Have premarital sex with drama = thug.  Get arrested or suspected of a crime = thug. 

I get that African Americans feel that they are victims.  It's been a horrible history for them in the United States.  How are victims supposed to react?  Even when cops are victims how do you suppose they react?  They set a precedence ya know.




"I get that African Americans feel that they are victims"

So do I, it's because white liberals convinced them it's in their interests to blame others for their own ills.

"How are victims suppose to react?"

Like how all real victims react, seek justice and maintain the high road, it's the opposite of retards like BLM's.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
    #23475998 - 07/25/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Ya I am not a thug but anyone can be framed as a thug.  Use drugs = thug.  Have premarital sex with drama = thug.  Get arrested or suspected of a crime = thug. 

I get that African Americans feel that they are victims.  It's been a horrible history for them in the United States.  How are victims supposed to react?  Even when cops are victims how do you suppose they react?  They set a precedence ya know.




"I get that African Americans feel that they are victims"

So do I, it's because white liberals convinced them it's in their interests to blame others for their own ills.

"How are victims suppose to react?"

Like how all real victims react, seek justice and maintain the high road, it's the opposite of retards like BLM's.





I think by the time African Americans got a voice, statue of limitations had expired.  Counter culture created a voice that drew many.  So now there are thugs and hero's are thugs.  There are also people that have bought into the white American dream.  I don't know what you want and I don't know what they want.  I know we all likely will keep getting the same old same old.

Just think who is the likely suspect, the white kid or the African America kid.  Would you rather be African America cause it's safer?  Probably not.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman] * 1
    #23476023 - 07/25/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

She need votes to win this election. And so the best way to gain votes, is that she must persuade others that she is for them. But afterward, everything will go back the way it were while under the Obama's administration.





Why is President Obama’s new Cabinet overwhelmingly white and male? A recent group photo of Obama and his advisers in the White House published by The New York Times pinpointed what many have been noticing—a huge lack of racial and gender diversity. Is he shortchanging the millions of Blacks, Latinos and women who propelled his election win? http://www.diversityinc.com/diversity-and-inclusion/obamas-cabinet-diversity-record-embarrassing-as-hell/


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Douglas Howard] * 3
    #23476042 - 07/25/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm still not convinced that black lives matter.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #23476063 - 07/25/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What do you expect an administration to do?  Some sort of affirmative action arrest law?

There is still cultural desegregation to do.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23476076 - 07/25/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Morel Guy said:
Ya I am not a thug but anyone can be framed as a thug.  Use drugs = thug.  Have premarital sex with drama = thug.  Get arrested or suspected of a crime = thug. 

I get that African Americans feel that they are victims.  It's been a horrible history for them in the United States.  How are victims supposed to react?  Even when cops are victims how do you suppose they react?  They set a precedence ya know.




"I get that African Americans feel that they are victims"

So do I, it's because white liberals convinced them it's in their interests to blame others for their own ills.

"How are victims suppose to react?"

Like how all real victims react, seek justice and maintain the high road, it's the opposite of retards like BLM's.





I think by the time African Americans got a voice, statue of limitations had expired.  Counter culture created a voice that drew many.  So now there are thugs and hero's are thugs.  There are also people that have bought into the white American dream.  I don't know what you want and I don't know what they want.  I know we all likely will keep getting the same old same old.

Just think who is the likely suspect, the white kid or the African America kid.  Would you rather be African America cause it's safer?  Probably not.




"likely suspect"

The person that meets the description of who potentially committed a crime, white male, 25-30, 6 feet tall and 150 lbs. How would a black person more likely be that suspect?

Do you know what's safer? Not committing crimes and living in a safe community. :shrug:


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
    #23476094 - 07/25/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I never did hear the exact profile of the suspect just heard that he had a wide nose.  I knew a white guy with a wide nose like some African Americans and he has African ancestry but is white and blonde.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23476104 - 07/25/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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What do you expect an administration to do?  Some sort of affirmative action arrest law?

There is still cultural desegregation to do.




I expect the US President not to have people from a racist terrorist group visiting the White House every week, is that too much to ask?

"still cultural desegregation to do"

Not there's not, most Americans are sick of this "cultural diversity" nonsense, let people do what they want to do, don't tell me how to live.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
    #23476111 - 07/25/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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What do you expect an administration to do?  Some sort of affirmative action arrest law?

There is still cultural desegregation to do.




I expect the US President not to have people from a racist terrorist group visiting the White House every week, is that too much to ask?

"still cultural desegregation to do"

Not there's not, most Americans are sick of this "cultural diversity" nonsense, let people do what they want to do, don't tell me how to live.



Sounds like you should stay out of prison.

I don't know of black lives movement organizers being terrorists.  I have yet to hear of such convictions.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23476112 - 07/25/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Anyone remember back in '08 when Obama was gonna be the great unifier? He was gonna bring peace to the races? Because of him, America could finally begin to heal?

What a crock of shit :lol:

Here's just a taste of the slibbering love affair the lamestream media had with Obama and his ugly husband

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2008/11/05/president-elect-barack-obama-a-postracial-president-who-should-focus-the-country-on-race


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23476171 - 07/25/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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qman said:
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Morel Guy said:
What do you expect an administration to do?  Some sort of affirmative action arrest law?

There is still cultural desegregation to do.




I expect the US President not to have people from a racist terrorist group visiting the White House every week, is that too much to ask?

"still cultural desegregation to do"

Not there's not, most Americans are sick of this "cultural diversity" nonsense, let people do what they want to do, don't tell me how to live.



Sounds like you should stay out of prison.

I don't know of black lives movement organizers being terrorists.  I have yet to hear of such convictions.




http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/2/tim-constantine-black-lives-matter-terrorist-group/

https://theintercept.com/2015/07/24/documents-show-department-homeland-security-monitoring-black-lives-matter-since-ferguson/

http://www.mediaite.com/online/white-house-responds-to-petition-demanding-black-lives-matter-be-designated-a-terror-group/


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
    #23476242 - 07/25/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Not one article there that I read, and I only read the first, says anything about a lawful conviction of a black lives matter person being convicted of terrorism.

By the definition of that first article, the USA is the worlds largest most powerful terrorist organization in the known Universe.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23476256 - 07/25/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I drank a poppy in tea once.  I had a vision of a Africa American at my old houses back door.  I screamed HELP!  waking myself up.

There are many ways to interpret that dream.  Today I would mostly think of it as I would ask a African American for help.

I talked to shrink about that dream and he spoke of as African people representing our shadow.  So if you see African descendants as criminal in your subconscious awareness then your likely the criminal.  It's perfectly normal to have criminal fantasies.  We all have desires that the best short cuts appear to be crime. 

It's doubtful that all our ancestors are white.  Go back far enough and they were not even human.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23476262 - 07/25/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Not one article there that I read, and I only read the first, says anything about a lawful conviction of a black lives matter person being convicted of terrorism.

By the definition of that first article, the USA is the worlds largest most powerful terrorist organization in the known Universe.




The Department of Homeland security considers them a major concern, so much that they constantly monitor the group and its members.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
    #23476329 - 07/25/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Not one article there that I read, and I only read the first, says anything about a lawful conviction of a black lives matter person being convicted of terrorism.

By the definition of that first article, the USA is the worlds largest most powerful terrorist organization in the known Universe.




The Department of Homeland security considers them a major concern, so much that they constantly monitor the group and its members.



They do that to me too because they were dumb enough to think I could be trusted with knowing a Marine CIA employee who wanted to use my 10 grand to grow weed for their covert funding that I used to pay for the 7 grand car I set fire to.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23476356 - 07/25/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I drank a poppy in tea once.  I had a vision of a Africa American at my old houses back door.  I screamed HELP!  waking myself up.

There are many ways to interpret that dream.  Today I would mostly think of it as I would ask a African American for help.

I talked to shrink about that dream and he spoke of as African people representing our shadow.  So if you see African descendants as criminal in your subconscious awareness then your likely the criminal.  It's perfectly normal to have criminal fantasies.  We all have desires that the best short cuts appear to be crime. 

It's doubtful that all our ancestors are white.  Go back far enough and they were not even human.




Yeah, the first 3 billion years of life on Earth were single celled organisms, what's your point? 

Your post makes no sense.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman] * 1
    #23476370 - 07/25/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Morel Guy said:
I drank a poppy in tea once.  I had a vision of a Africa American at my old houses back door.  I screamed HELP!  waking myself up.

There are many ways to interpret that dream.  Today I would mostly think of it as I would ask a African American for help.

I talked to shrink about that dream and he spoke of as African people representing our shadow.  So if you see African descendants as criminal in your subconscious awareness then your likely the criminal.  It's perfectly normal to have criminal fantasies.  We all have desires that the best short cuts appear to be crime. 

It's doubtful that all our ancestors are white.  Go back far enough and they were not even human.




Yeah, the first 3 billion years of life on Earth were single celled organisms, what's your point? 

Your post makes no sense.




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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Morel Guy] * 2
    #23476399 - 07/25/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hey morel guy. Why do you call black people African American ? That's another bs term. In my eyes unless you moved here from Africa in your lifetime, black people should be called American period. I'have Irish blood. Im not Irish American . African American huh . What a stupid term .

P. S you were making me laugh when describing thugs. If you don't think there thugs than let's call them stupid dirtbags. If you get shot by a cop you are a real fucking moron


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Ifishhigh]
    #23476409 - 07/25/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Hey morel guy. Why do you call black people African American ? That's another bs term. In my eyes unless you moved here from Africa in your lifetime, black people should be called American period. I'have Irish blood. Im not Irish American . African American huh . What a stupid term .

P. S you were making me laugh when describing thugs. If you don't think there thugs than let's call them stupid dirtbags. If you get shot by a cop you are a real fucking moron




Because they are predominately African American and I am predominantly Irish American.  If I were born in Boston you would bet your ass I'd call myself Irish American!

Most of you want to be thugs and that's why you got into drugs.  Some people actually wanted enlightenment.  That's why I am smart enough to say no more drugs and stay out of prison.  Because guard or inmate it's mostly thugs there.  Who can be the beefiest primate doesn't interest me!


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23476428 - 07/25/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Lmao @ if I was born in Boston. This made my night . I just don't like the term African American.
My wife is Jewish. She's not Jewish American . She's just a Jew.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Ifishhigh]
    #23476489 - 07/25/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Lmao @ if I was born in Boston. This made my night . I just don't like the term African American.
My wife is Jewish. She's not Jewish American . She's just a Jew.





People have the right to self identity.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23477797 - 07/26/16 06:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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If I were born in Boston you would bet your ass I'd call myself Irish American!




Call yourself what you wish. You'd still be an American.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23477827 - 07/26/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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If I were born in Boston you would bet your ass I'd call myself Irish American!




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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Douglas Howard] * 1
    #23479236 - 07/26/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So back on topic, I don't agree with black lives matter, or blue lives matter.  They are two seperate protesting groups.  I feel the blue lives matter, started because of black lives matter, and it's bs.  It adds more fuel to the fire.  Both parties need to just back off.  They are not letting go of something, and starting a war that doesn't need to be started. 

If an officer kills a black man, and it is not "right" or self-defense, then the focus needs to be on that officer only.  If this officer receives no punishment for his wrong-doing, then go protest about that specific case only.  Now if black people go shoot up a bunch of innocent cops, punish the shooters.  If they get away somehow, then maybe protest about THAT SPECIFIC KILLING. 

What I don't agree with, is how big this is getting, and it's not about a specific case.  It's not like 100 innocent blacks get killed everyday in the US by cops hands.  It's a very small issue.  We are trying to let go of racisim, and black lives matter just won't let go of it.  Nobody's being racist still, but black lives matter is accusing cops of being racist.  So they are starting a fight, that doesn't even exsist.

Ohh yeah, fuck media and social media.  Since everyone's brainwashed, the US is going to shit.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: bigbitch]
    #23479527 - 07/26/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I've seen some RNC news coverage that shows the police hanging, chilling, and so called kick'n it with the BLM kids.  I don't think the movements are against each other it comes down to written law.  So I suppose I would be an agitator because I don't agree with writing down rules.  I wouldn't enter a relationship with clear and defined rules.  Life is not a computer program.  People are not programmable machines.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23479632 - 07/26/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I've seen some RNC news coverage that shows the police hanging, chilling, and so called kick'n it with the BLM kids.  I don't think the movements are against each other it comes down to written law.  So I suppose I would be an agitator because I don't agree with writing down rules.  I wouldn't enter a relationship with clear and defined rules.  Life is not a computer program.  People are not programmable machines.




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Re: Black lives matter [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23479730 - 07/26/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I've seen some RNC news coverage that shows the police hanging, chilling, and so called kick'n it with the BLM kids.  I don't think the movements are against each other it comes down to written law.  So I suppose I would be an agitator because I don't agree with writing down rules.  I wouldn't enter a relationship with clear and defined rules.  Life is not a computer program.  People are not programmable machines.




Didn't you agree to a written "Terms of Service" when you signed up for shroomery?:lol:



Like I can't have a new ID.  This is a site of rule breakers.  It's going to have an outlaw nature.  Sorry maybe you didn't read the terms of service on reality


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23500621 - 08/02/16 03:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

To me, it sounds as if the democratic party doesn't really care much about Black lives in the first place, that is just a bunch of crock. They just want the Blacks votes only, and then kick them out of the voting booth after they has taken their votes from them. But then, who knows, maybe they are just using Blacks folks as pawns> making it seem as if she has a lot of voters backing her up, but in reality, they are going to tamper with the voting machines so that outcome will say that she is the winner. If there is not enough cheering going on, then that will draw suspicion, wondering how did she gotten this many votes. So she need a lot of cheering to make it look good. That is why she amplifying the cheers that she is getting, and drown out the boos. Her and Obama were around when these police attacks had went on. And which I am not saying that all of the police shootings of Black folks were unjustifiable. But now they are trying to make it look as if they has suddenly care about Black folks when the election is only a few steps away. They need more cheers rather than the boos that they are receiving a lot of.
 


Saudi Arabia still bans blacks from holding government positions

Did you know? Muslim Arabs started the African slave trade in the 8th century. Females made up the majority of Africans taken to Muslim countries and were used as sex slaves. Males were used as cannon fodder slave soldiers or castrated and used by wealthy Muslim to guard their possessions. Turkey only banned African slavery in 1908. Saudi Arabia did not ban African slavery until 1962.

In Saudi Arabia, blacks are called “abed,” which means “slave” and has negative racial connotations. Saudi Arabian society is a racial caste system



http://conservative-headlines.com/2014/09/saudi-arabia-still-bans-blacks-from-holding-government-positions/

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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #23501343 - 08/02/16 10:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yes I see nothing desirable about Saudi Arabia. 

I went to an all white Catholic school growing up.  There was a girl from Japan that didn't last long, and an African American boy who lasted even shorter.

The American dream was engineered for white people.  That was normal thinking.  It still is in a lot of places for a lot of people.  But there are just enough rights that people can organize and form opinion.  As with all movements someone gets impatient and resorts to illegal methods.  Happens all the time.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23501389 - 08/02/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Wrong, the American Dream was designed for those who work hard and sacrifice. Once we got democrats to stop enslaving and segregating people, it was even more open to all. There is no other place in the world that has been so welcoming to making successful people than America. That's where the whole concept of "the American Dream" came from. The idea that people that didn't come from wealthy families or royalty, could still be successful, was a very new concept when America was founded. That is how we became a superpower in such a short span of time. No other nation on earth has done what we have. And it's all due in credit to what's considered "the American Dream"


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23501432 - 08/02/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The American dream was engineered for white people




Wrong, the American Dream was designed for those who work hard and sacrifice. Once we got democrats to stop enslaving and segregating people, it was even more open to all. There is no other place in the world that has been so welcoming to making successful people than America. That's where the whole concept of "the American Dream" came from. The idea that people that didn't come from wealthy families or royalty, could still be successful, was a very new concept when America was founded. That is how we became a superpower in such a short span of time. No other nation on earth has done what we have. And it's all due in credit to what's considered "the American Dream"




With that being said, the US had very strict immigration laws until 1964, those policies mandated immigration only from certain parts of Europe, those were only white immigrants.

In the year 2016, liberals still like calling the US a "melting pot" of diversity, it's NOT at all, the US was 85-90% white for 95% of it's existence.

The US would never would have become a superpower if it was a free for all immigration policy, no chance in hell.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
    #23501480 - 08/02/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

There are bad and good cops; mostly good cops, but one bad apple can rot the whole basket. However, police need to train in how to de-escalate hostile situations. Compared to other countries the police in the US have less training than in some countries.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23501588 - 08/02/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yes white working people.  Asians didn't get rich building rail roads for white guys nor did the Irish.  America was for WASPS.  Conservatives want it back because hey are mostly white Protestants.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23502267 - 08/02/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes white working people.  Asians didn't get rich building rail roads for white guys nor did the Irish.  America was for WASPS.  Conservatives want it back because hey are mostly white Protestants.




None of this post even makes sense...


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23502277 - 08/02/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That is because your reading level is 3rd grade


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23502435 - 08/02/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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That is because your reading level is 3rd grade




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    #23502443 - 08/02/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Really? because Chinese immigrants built the railroads...as for Irish immigrants, there was a strong anti-catholic vibe in America literally up until JFK.

Even now, in the US, being a WASP is pretty much playing the game on easy mode. Hell, I take advantage of the fact that I pass as a WASP at every opportunity, and it has only helped me. It's not hard to hide the fact that English is my second language and the fact that the last time I was in a church was during my baptism on the other side of the world. Heck, most people don't even recognize that I am not a protestant or catholic by baptism. All people see is that I'm white and well-spoken. Therefore, likely a WASP, and untouchable. Though every time I say I'm "Caucasian" on some random form, I laugh a little bit inside, knowing that I'm more truly Caucasian than most white people around me. Ya know, having been actually born in the Caucus mountain region.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23503665 - 08/02/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes white working people.  Asians didn't get rich building rail roads for white guys nor did the Irish.  America was for WASPS.  Conservatives want it back because hey are mostly white Protestants.




:huxleyfacepalm:  You really don't have a clue. :lol:


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    #23503674 - 08/02/16 10:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Really? because Chinese immigrants built the railroads...as for Irish immigrants, there was a strong anti-catholic vibe in America literally up until JFK.

Even now, in the US, being a WASP is pretty much playing the game on easy mode. Hell, I take advantage of the fact that I pass as a WASP at every opportunity, and it has only helped me. It's not hard to hide the fact that English is my second language and the fact that the last time I was in a church was during my baptism on the other side of the world. Heck, most people don't even recognize that I am not a protestant or catholic by baptism. All people see is that I'm white and well-spoken. Therefore, likely a WASP, and untouchable. Though every time I say I'm "Caucasian" on some random form, I laugh a little bit inside, knowing that I'm more truly Caucasian than most white people around me. Ya know, having been actually born in the Caucus mountain region.




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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
    #23504831 - 08/03/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This is likely another infiltrated social group aiding in the conqeur and divide politics that are only aiding the greedy people clinging on to their waning influence. Thanks Internet

Look at Deray McKesson or shordeedoowhop, they live tweeted nearly every large police injustice the media hyper focused on and here was literally on scene for an astonishing amount of them.
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    #23505804 - 08/03/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes white working people.  Asians didn't get rich building rail roads for white guys nor did the Irish.  America was for WASPS.  Conservatives want it back because hey are mostly white Protestants.




:huxleyfacepalm:  You really don't have a clue. :lol:



You said your a WASP?  Go figure your a racist scumbag!



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    #23505829 - 08/03/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Really? because Chinese immigrants built the railroads...as for Irish immigrants, there was a strong anti-catholic vibe in America literally up until JFK.

Even now, in the US, being a WASP is pretty much playing the game on easy mode. Hell, I take advantage of the fact that I pass as a WASP at every opportunity, and it has only helped me. It's not hard to hide the fact that English is my second language and the fact that the last time I was in a church was during my baptism on the other side of the world. Heck, most people don't even recognize that I am not a protestant or catholic by baptism. All people see is that I'm white and well-spoken. Therefore, likely a WASP, and untouchable. Though every time I say I'm "Caucasian" on some random form, I laugh a little bit inside, knowing that I'm more truly Caucasian than most white people around me. Ya know, having been actually born in the Caucus mountain region.





The short answer to this important question is that Southern railroad companies owned many slaves and built most of their lines with enslaved labor. The question, however, has not been fully researched and for years we have known little about this experience or the scale of the railroads’ involvement in slavery. We know that southern slaveholders were the principal stockholders and directors of many railroad companies and that the South moved quickly in the 1830s to build railroads. Southerners built some of the earliest and longest railroads in the nation. By the 1850s southern railroad construction was in full swing, with crews grading thousands of miles of track. http://railroads.unl.edu/blog/?p=32


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #23506318 - 08/03/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The Chinese immigrant labor I was referring to mostly took place in the far west, where most Chinese immigrants landed. What with Cali being closer to China than NY is.


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    #23506322 - 08/03/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

California, always keeping the working man down...


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    #23507209 - 08/03/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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California, always keeping the working man down...




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    #23507214 - 08/03/16 07:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I would say I disagree with Ben Shapiro on 99% of things.. But he gets everything right right here.



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    #23517987 - 08/07/16 06:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You said your a WASP?  Go figure your a racist scumbag!



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You do of course mean YOU´RE a wasp as in YOU ARE - the apostrophe represents the missing ´a´.

YOUR is the second person plural possessive.  But everyone who paid attention in grade school knows that.


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You said your a WASP?  Go figure your a racist scumbag!



:bandeodorant:  :bandeodorant:





You do of course mean YOU´RE a wasp as in YOU ARE - the apostrophe represents the missing ´a´.

YOUR is the second person plural possessive.  But everyone who paid attention in grade school knows that.




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    #23536910 - 08/13/16 02:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think black lives matter. Evidently blacks don't either, seeing they shoot no end of their own on a regular basis.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-violence-shootings-20160810-story.html

Nearly 100 people have been shot in Chicago in less than a week, pushing the number of shooting victims so far this year to more than 2,500 — about 800 more than this time last year, according to data kept by the Tribune.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Starter]
    #23539066 - 08/13/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Black lives only matter when they are being killed by whites, otherwise the blacks, and democrats could give two shits about them.

Hillary was born in Chicago, Obama came up politically there, neither one gives a shit that more blacks have been gunned down there in the last seven years than soldiers killed in the entire Iraq war. It's just more political BS from retarded democrats


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23565238 - 08/22/16 07:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Black lives only matter when they are being killed by whites, otherwise the blacks, and democrats could give two shits about them.

Hillary was born in Chicago, Obama came up politically there, neither one gives a shit that more blacks have been gunned down there in the last seven years than soldiers killed in the entire Iraq war. It's just more political BS from retarded democrats




That could be a valid criticism of Hilarity, but not Obama, I would guess you disagree with his methods (gun control and social problems) but he did try. It's kind of important that the people we trust to enforce the law respect it themselves, it doesn't matter what color the dead guy is; police blacksights, trigger happy swat squads, overt murder of handcuffed suspects,  and that damned "thin blue line" scare the hell out of me. Even if some small part of you hates the victim on sight, do you ever worry about yourself or your kids getting sodomized by a mag light? Trump's victory isn't guarenteed and who knows what the police will feel entitled to do years down the road

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Yes white working people.  Asians didn't get rich building rail roads for white guys nor did the Irish.  America was for WASPS.  Conservatives want it back because hey are mostly white Protestants.




How about "Yes, white working people.  Asians and Irish didn't get rich building railroads for white guys. America was for WASPS, conservatives want that back because they are WASPS themselves.

You won't ever convince anyone by questioning their literacy. Also, I'm not sure how accurate the statement is. There have been lots of powerful catholics (only one president though). Maybe in an old money country club ones Anglo heritage means something, today "white" includes slavs, irish,  Italians, spanish, and many more it didnt back in the rr days. Also, as minorities go, chinese are quite well off,  performing above white citizens by many metrics. And if the Irish don't wield power in the us, they sure have left a huge cultural impact, plus they are stereotypically cops haha

EDIT2: Also, pretty sure the WASPS were for anyone but trump, but tbh I don't know any. The people with the companies and the factories tend to like cheap labor and free trade (trump was originally for an elite tax hike too )


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    #23566052 - 08/22/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Some should analyze the face figures of the BLM movements. People like Deray McKesson and shordeedoowhop (Twitter account) are clearly both working with an agenda. Between the two of them they are always present at major BLM causes just prior to them occurring. It's a coincidence that cannot be overlooked any further.

Some of these events were orchestrated events to aid in the conqeur and divide tactics is being promoted currently as poor people are coming together and realizing who the common oppressors truly are and its transcended race at this moment. I'm pumped!! Thank you Internet!!!!


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    #23566509 - 08/22/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

BLM is just an offshoot of occupy, it's the same players, the agenda is the same, and the same people are funding it.


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I can't speak to your second or last claims, but BLMs actually has a structure and an agenda whereas OWS did not, and I'm not seeing how BLM is an offshoot of OWS. BLM was an offshoot of treyvon martin, buttook off with Eric gardner,and Michael brown. I'm sure there is plenty of overlap between members of each, but the closest similarity I see is that they are both protest movements that ruffled the feathers of the comfortable


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I can't speak to your second or last claims, but BLMs actually has a structure and an agenda whereas OWS did not, and I'm not seeing how BLM is an offshoot of OWS. BLM was an offshoot of treyvon martin, buttook off with Eric gardner,and Michael brown. I'm sure there is plenty of overlap between members of each, but the closest similarity I see is that they are both protest movements that ruffled the feathers of the comfortable




"ruffled the feathers of the comfortable"

By burning down their own communities? 

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    #23567190 - 08/22/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have no association with the group, so thanks for not calling me a retard.

No its not a perfect organization, but it always distanced itself from the looting and violence. The anarchists will always be there if there will be a tussle or the chance to break windows. By and large BLM have been nonviolent and they have played a large role in effecting reforms in various police departments.

The "why do they burn their own homes" criticism is probably as old as the first race riots. I don't have an answer but I've always wondered about the question


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I have no association with the group, so thanks for not calling me a retard.

No its not a perfect organization, but it always distanced itself from the looting and violence. The anarchists will always be there if there will be a tussle or the chance to break windows. By and large BLM have been nonviolent and they have played a large role in effecting reforms in various police departments.

The "why do they burn their own homes" criticism is probably as old as the first race riots. I don't have an answer but I've always wondered about the question





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I have no association with the group, so thanks for not calling me a retard.

No its not a perfect organization, but it always distanced itself from the looting and violence. The anarchists will always be there if there will be a tussle or the chance to break windows. By and large BLM have been nonviolent and they have played a large role in effecting reforms in various police departments.

The "why do they burn their own homes" criticism is probably as old as the first race riots. I don't have an answer but I've always wondered about the question




"By and large BLM have been nonviolent"

Blocking highways and airports causes plenty of harm to innocent civilians.

"played a large role in effecting reforms in various police departments"

What would be those reforms?  Are any laws changed?


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    #23567331 - 08/22/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Negro's have a greater propensity for violence whether it be in the US or elsewhere. Take a step into reality, it can be an ugly place but it's always better then the alternative.


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    #23567666 - 08/22/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You haven't the slightest empathy with people struggling against what they view as an existential threat because your Black Friday shopping was interrupted or you were held up in traffic? Sure, it would be different if you were a surgeon racing to answer a page. What would it require to earn your consideration? For BLM to keep out of your sight and refrain from rocking the boat? From Birmingham Jail, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr wrote the biggest obstacles to progress were those "more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection"

Examples of reforms being changes in leadership of numerous departments, civilian review boards, body cameras, new hiring policies and use of force policies, the involvement of an independent agency in fatalities, and others. We shall see if anything will stick



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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23567674 - 08/22/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I disagree with you, the scientific literature disagrees with you, and I'm pretty confident most Americans would disagree with you, but believe as you wish.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Crumist]
    #23567815 - 08/22/16 11:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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    #23567831 - 08/22/16 11:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The body cameras can be used to identify suspects, by simply scanning their features.  I think BLM is just causing ruckus.  You speak of all of these "good" reformations going on.  All they are doing, is trying to keep the public happy for now.  What's going on behind the scenes, is we are fueling the war between police and civilians.  The governments and police are not dumb enough to declare war this early.  The radical followers will strike first, and the relationship between police and citizens will be further strained.  Someday it may all pop off and cause a civil war.

I got held up on the highway because of BLM, and all of my chicken I had taken from work spoiled.  I was also low on gas and almost ran out, and was close to passing out at the wheel.  There may be people needing diabetes medicine or anything.  There was a big congestion on the interstate, until the police were able to stop these dumbasses from protesting on the interstate where I live.  I'm sure it caused major problems with civilians nationwide.  I also don't believe that they are helping the situation in any way.


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    #23567923 - 08/23/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm very sorry for your chicken, your gas, and your blood sugar. But I couldn't help but notice that you are annoyed by the nonviolent protesters yet expecting or even looking forward to violent conflict. A shooting war is going to be a hell of a lot more inconvenient than some bad chicken, I promise.


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    #23568321 - 08/23/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You haven't the slightest empathy with people struggling against what they view as an existential threat because your Black Friday shopping was interrupted or you were held up in traffic? Sure, it would be different if you were a surgeon racing to answer a page. What would it require to earn your consideration? For BLM to keep out of your sight and refrain from rocking the boat? From Birmingham Jail, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr wrote the biggest obstacles to progress were those "more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection"

Examples of reforms being changes in leadership of numerous departments, civilian review boards, body cameras, new hiring policies and use of force policies, the involvement of an independent agency in fatalities, and others. We shall see if anything will stick





Michael Brown was a violent thug that assaulted a store owner so he could steal cigars, he then punched a cop in the face and tried to kill him. BLM thought Wilson shouldn't have killed Brown, the justice system proved otherwise because the facts clearly showed Wilson was JUSTIFED in his actions.

All those listed "reforms" are nothing more than a joke, that's not going to change the Michael Brown's of the world and the same outcomes with law enforcement.


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    #23568329 - 08/23/16 07:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, someday I'm expecting it, but I'm not looking forward to it.  The blood sugar thing, was a suggestion that people could die from these antics.  I don't have diabetes, I was about to pass out from being awake for near 48 hours. 

I just feel that they are protesting about a non-issue, and making it an issue.  I feel like when an unfair cop kills a black man, and does not have proper repercussions, that case should be protested only.  Causing headaches nationwide over a small issue makes it a big issue.  I feel like it just adds fuel to a fire that needs to be extinguished, instead of fueled.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
    #23568352 - 08/23/16 07:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The clean cut cases don't cause anything to change. And we aren't trying to change black behavior in this instance but outline protocols about how there has to be an attempt to get prompt medical attention, and police killings need to be investigated, and there must be consequences when an officer royally messes up and takes a life. Not always criminal, but there must be something. Cop-citizen interactions are tense for both parties, we can't let the police (who have de juris slightly expanded rights of self defense) shoot first, then plant a gun and some coke later.

What are BLMs nonissues?


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: starfire_xes]
    #23568388 - 08/23/16 08:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
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Crumist said:
I have no association with the group, so thanks for not calling me a retard.

No its not a perfect organization, but it always distanced itself from the looting and violence. The anarchists will always be there if there will be a tussle or the chance to break windows. By and large BLM have been nonviolent and they have played a large role in effecting reforms in various police departments.

The "why do they burn their own homes" criticism is probably as old as the first race riots. I don't have an answer but I've always wondered about the question





BLM is just another shitty socialist Alinsky front group.




:lolsy:

Why are all our conservatives so hateful towards protestors?

Werent you all circlejerking when Bundy decided he should be allowed to graze his cattle on taxpayer land? THOSE are the important movements that we should get behind. Rednecks demanding a nanny state with thr barrel of a gun. Not the police state, or wall street's ownership of our government.


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    #23568402 - 08/23/16 08:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The clean cut cases don't cause anything to change. And we aren't trying to change black behavior in this instance but outline protocols about how there has to be an attempt to get prompt medical attention, and police killings need to be investigated, and there must be consequences when an officer royally messes up and takes a life. Not always criminal, but there must be something. Cop-citizen interactions are tense for both parties, we can't let the police (who have de juris slightly expanded rights of self defense) shoot first, then plant a gun and some coke later.

What are BLMs nonissues?




Do we not already have laws and a criminal justice system in place that already address all of those concerns? 

Do cops get charged for unjustifiable force?  Yes.

Do cops get charged for planting false evidence?  Yes.

Do police killings get investigated?  Yes.

Is any criminal justice system perfect?  No, but don't act like we don't already have provisions in place, it might not give the results that BLM wants, but that doesn't mean justice isn't taking place in those instances.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
    #23568421 - 08/23/16 08:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Qman stop it you stop it right now.. the real problem is cops get slapped on the wrist for breaking the law... They usually get fired for something a regular person would have to serve time for.  Little accountability since cops work in close quarters with lawyers and judges...  You conservatives are so naive


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    #23568439 - 08/23/16 08:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Qman stop it you stop it right now.. the real problem is cops get slapped on the wrist for breaking the law... They usually get fired for something a regular person would have to serve time for.  Little accountability since cops work in close quarters with lawyers and judges...  You conservatives are so naive




OK, lets make the penalty for any wrongdoing from a cop very severe, then who will want to work as a cop in the future? 

Would you take a low paying job that constantly puts your life on the line with the potential of going to prison if you make one mistake?  No, nobody would sigh up for that type of employment.


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    #23568446 - 08/23/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Qman stop it you stop it right now.. the real problem is cops get slapped on the wrist for breaking the law... They usually get fired for something a regular person would have to serve time for.  Little accountability since cops work in close quarters with lawyers and judges...  You conservatives are so naive




OK, lets make the penalty for any wrongdoing from a cop very severe, then who will want to work as a cop in the future? 

Would you take a low paying job that constantly puts your life on the line with the potential of going to prison if you make one mistake?  No, nobody would sigh up for that type of employment.




LOL lots of people will still be cops.

Also, most cops dont put their lives on the line. I know for a fact its been explained to you on numerous occasions that there are easily a dozen other more dangerous jobs out there.

If you cant do a job without breaking the law, maybe the job of upholding the law isnt for you. Bunch of overweight unionized privileged little pussies.


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    #23568450 - 08/23/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I love how his argument against accountability is that recruitment numbers will drop, or inferring that cops should be allowed a freebie murder because theyre underpaid.

Fucking ridiculous.


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    #23568472 - 08/23/16 08:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:
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Qman stop it you stop it right now.. the real problem is cops get slapped on the wrist for breaking the law... They usually get fired for something a regular person would have to serve time for.  Little accountability since cops work in close quarters with lawyers and judges...  You conservatives are so naive




OK, lets make the penalty for any wrongdoing from a cop very severe, then who will want to work as a cop in the future? 

Would you take a low paying job that constantly puts your life on the line with the potential of going to prison if you make one mistake?  No, nobody would sigh up for that type of employment.




LOL lots of people will still be cops.

Also, most cops dont put their lives on the line. I know for a fact its been explained to you on numerous occasions that there are easily a dozen other more dangerous jobs out there.

If you cant do a job without breaking the law, maybe the job of upholding the law isnt for you. Bunch of overweight unionized privileged little pussies.




Yet, why aren't more African Americans willing to sign up to be cops in their own communities?  The police departments are begging for more of them to join their forces, yet it's not enough.

"If you cant do a job without breaking the law, maybe the job of upholding the law isn't for you"

I agree, but many people thought Darren Wilson should have been charged with murder for defending himself, do you not see the risk with that type of employment?


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
    #23568476 - 08/23/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Because black communitirs inherently distrust the police because of the exact problems BLM is bringing to light.


I was waiting for you to start victim blaming, I appreciate your being so forthright.


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    #23568479 - 08/23/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

As far as Darren Wilson, yeah the justice system mightve got one right. There is still clearly a problem with the process.


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    #23568493 - 08/23/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Because black communitirs inherently distrust the police because of the exact problems BLM is bringing to light.





So instead they stay on the sidelines and let the very people they "distrust" to police them?  And if something bad happens they can just criticize and scream racism?


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    #23568498 - 08/23/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Because black communitirs inherently distrust the police because of the exact problems BLM is bringing to light.





So instead they stay on the sidelines and let the very people they "distrust" to police them?  And if something bad happens they can just criticize and scream racism?




Hence the protests...


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    #23568503 - 08/23/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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As far as Darren Wilson, yeah the justice system mightve got one right. There is still clearly a problem with the process.




"problem with the process"

The 'war on drugs' is the root of the problem, I don't hear anyone talking about changing the drug laws, it's all blame the cops for enforcing the laws that are on the books.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23568508 - 08/23/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What do you expect to happen? Honestly?

The poorest, least educated, most crime ridden communities will suddenly unify in support of the mechanisms that have caused those exact problems?

This is not how humans work. Why didnt the Jews just join the Nazis and change them from the inside? Why didnt communists get MBA's and becomr CEOs and then alter things?


If we're gonna play that game, how bout the people actually getting paid to fix this mess stop trying to play GI Joe and actually police these communities? Gain their trust?


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    #23568510 - 08/23/16 09:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Some should analyze the face figures of the BLM movements. People like Deray McKesson and shordeedoowhop (Twitter account) are clearly both working with an agenda. Between the two of them they are always present at major BLM causes just prior to them occurring. It's a coincidence that cannot be overlooked any further.

Some of these events were orchestrated events to aid in the conqeur and divide tactics is being promoted currently as poor people are coming together and realizing who the common oppressors truly are and its transcended race at this moment. I'm pumped!! Thank you Internet!!!!





Nobody is curious how people like Deray McKesson afford to quit their careers and live tweet all day every day? Who is paying this dudes bills? Hmmmmmm


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qman said:
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As far as Darren Wilson, yeah the justice system mightve got one right. There is still clearly a problem with the process.




"problem with the process"

The 'war on drugs' is the root of the problem, I don't hear anyone talking about changing the drug laws, it's all blame the cops for enforcing the laws that are on the books.




Are you kidding me? All the groups who would sympathize with and/or support BLM have all been calling for drug reform. And a demilitarized police. And a min wage increase. And infrastructure investment. And public college investments.

Literally all the things that can and will alleviate the negatives these communities face. Which of those do you support?


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    #23568536 - 08/23/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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qman said:
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The Ecstatic said:
Because black communitirs inherently distrust the police because of the exact problems BLM is bringing to light.





So instead they stay on the sidelines and let the very people they "distrust" to police them?  And if something bad happens they can just criticize and scream racism?




Hence the protests...




That type of protesting is stupid if you're unwilling to be part of the process, nobody treats you better if you just ask for it, you need to get involved.


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    #23568545 - 08/23/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I mean people like Deray McKesson are easy to expose and show that the movement is infiltrated.


I mean look at anonymous instead of exposing Isis for the proxy army it is they have #opiceisis and just attempts to legitimize Isis as a legitimate threat and terrorist organizations


These Social movements from anon to the wall street movements were all infiltrated and manipulated it's clear as day


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    #23568555 - 08/23/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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What do you expect to happen? Honestly?

The poorest, least educated, most crime ridden communities will suddenly unify in support of the mechanisms that have caused those exact problems?

This is not how humans work. Why didnt the Jews just join the Nazis and change them from the inside? Why didnt communists get MBA's and becomr CEOs and then alter things?


If we're gonna play that game, how bout the people actually getting paid to fix this mess stop trying to play GI Joe and actually police these communities? Gain their trust?




"Gain their trust?"

Asking them to police their own communities accomplishes that goal, the Jews didn't have that option in Germany.

Just passing the buck and saying police us nicer because we asked you is beyond silly, why would I expect a "racist" police department to treat me better?


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    #23568710 - 08/23/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

How is expecting the authority to solve the problem passing the buck?

They arent protecting nor serving these communities.


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qman said:
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The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Because black communitirs inherently distrust the police because of the exact problems BLM is bringing to light.





So instead they stay on the sidelines and let the very people they "distrust" to police them?  And if something bad happens they can just criticize and scream racism?




Hence the protests...




That type of protesting is stupid if you're unwilling to be part of the process, nobody treats you better if you just ask for it, you need to get involved.




Many are. You have to see the bigger picture, especially if your main criticism is BLM not seeing the bigger picture. These things dont happen in a vaccum. There are flaws, of course, but BLM is a tool.

Should we use that tool to solve problems we all agree need to be solved (police accountability, militarization)? Or should we just demonize the tool and create more problems?


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    #23568743 - 08/23/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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How is expecting the authority to solve the problem passing the buck?

They arent protecting nor serving these communities.




When they ask you to join them and you refuse, you're passing the buck. You do realize there are many black police chiefs and high ranking police men? You do realize there are many black cops that patrol their own communities, don't you think having more blacks involved in their own police departments is better than hoping and praying the existing police serve their communities better?

No one is excluding blacks from policing their own communities, that's NOT a problem. The problem is NOT enough blacks take on that responsibility!


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman] * 1
    #23568749 - 08/23/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So people who refuse to join the group they do not trust, or outright dislike, are adding to the problem?

Give me a break. I'm all for a better respresentation of communities as far as demographics go, but you cant alienate a community and then pout when they dont want to help you.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23568758 - 08/23/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Because black communitirs inherently distrust the police because of the exact problems BLM is bringing to light.





So instead they stay on the sidelines and let the very people they "distrust" to police them?  And if something bad happens they can just criticize and scream racism?




Hence the protests...




That type of protesting is stupid if you're unwilling to be part of the process, nobody treats you better if you just ask for it, you need to get involved.




Many are. You have to see the bigger picture, especially if your main criticism is BLM not seeing the bigger picture. These things dont happen in a vaccum. There are flaws, of course, but BLM is a tool.

Should we use that tool to solve problems we all agree need to be solved (police accountability, militarization)? Or should we just demonize the tool and create more problems?




Thay want to make it a race issue instead of a "police accountability" issue, that's why BLM will always be a failure.

Just imagine if ALL citizens were united for police reform, could you see how much more could be accomplished?  But no, it has to be a black victim vs white cop perpetrator narrative created by the MSM.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
    #23568761 - 08/23/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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How is expecting the authority to solve the problem passing the buck?

They arent protecting nor serving these communities.




When they ask you to join them and you refuse, you're passing the buck. You do realize there are many black police chiefs and high ranking police men? You do realize there are many black cops that patrol their own communities, don't you think having more blacks involved in their own police departments is better than hoping and praying the existing police serve their communities better?

No one is excluding blacks from policing their own communities, that's NOT a problem. The problem is NOT enough blacks take on that responsibility!




Good idea blame disenfranchised populations for not picking up their bootstraps and joining a tyrannical system that incarcerates them at alarming rates.


All arrests are weighted the same for police officers. When police offers are pressured to meet quotas then they will take the path of least resistance and go after low hanging fruit. Hey go to low income areas where often times illegal commerce is the only viable option out of oppression and focus on low level non physical drug offenses.

I wonder why these already disenfranchised people aren't stepping up.


Take a look at maslows hierarchy of needs. These people are melts at such basic levels they never have the chance to move into higher levels of thought necessary for actions you are discussing.


Furthermore movements like BLM are as infiltrated as ever. They are just pushing more racial tensions and conquer and divide tactics.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
    #23568778 - 08/23/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Qman stop it you stop it right now.. the real problem is cops get slapped on the wrist for breaking the law... They usually get fired for something a regular person would have to serve time for.  Little accountability since cops work in close quarters with lawyers and judges...  You conservatives are so naive




OK, lets make the penalty for any wrongdoing from a cop very severe, then who will want to work as a cop in the future? 

Would you take a low paying job that constantly puts your life on the line with the potential of going to prison if you make one mistake?  No, nobody would sigh up for that type of employment.




Not that being a cop pays that great to begin with (you are the first to raise the issue of pay), but taking away the whole de facto above the law thing might really improve cadet quality. Anyone heard how you get to kill a nigger and walk scott free?

@qman: what type of protest is not stupid? And as far as getting involved, there have been several BLMers elected to office which is one milestone OWS didn't get in the US


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23568783 - 08/23/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So people who refuse to join the group they do not trust, or outright dislike, are adding to the problem?

Give me a break. I'm all for a better respresentation of communities as far as demographics go, but you cant alienate a community and then pout when they dont want to help you.




So you think reform from the outside is better than reform from the inside, no way.

If the police departments were as distrustful as you claim, they would NOT allow blacks to join their force in the first place, do you not see the inconsistency with your line of reasoning?

Maybe blacks should have never run for Mayor, Congress, Sheriff, or US President because they couldn't trust those groups, what a sad excuse.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
    #23568797 - 08/23/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If the police departments were as distrustful as you claim, they would NOT allow blacks to join their force in the first place, do you not see the inconsistency with your line of reasoning?





Wtf?

I dont even know where to begin with this babble.

Just keep on blaming the victim.


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    #23568812 - 08/23/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If the police departments were as distrustful as you claim, they would NOT allow blacks to join their force in the first place, do you not see the inconsistency with your line of reasoning?





Wtf?

I dont even know where to begin with this babble.

Just keep on blaming the victim.






Try answering the question, if these police departments were as horrible as you describe, wouldn't they be exclusionary in nature?  But they're not, anybody can join.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
    #23568957 - 08/23/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Youve been avoiding my questions for the past two pages.

Regardless, I'm sure they are exclusionary in nature in regards to those communities. Its just like any other group.


Imagine I'm antiwar. I join the army to make a difference. I go to Iraq. I voice dissent almost daily.

Do you think my concerns are taken to heart? Fuck no. Im ostracized, marginalized, ignored, etc. You just dont understand how these systems work.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23569198 - 08/23/16 01:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Youve been avoiding my questions for the past two pages.

Regardless, I'm sure they are exclusionary in nature in regards to those communities. Its just like any other group.


Imagine I'm antiwar. I join the army to make a difference. I go to Iraq. I voice dissent almost daily.

Do you think my concerns are taken to heart? Fuck no. Im ostracized, marginalized, ignored, etc. You just dont understand how these systems work.




"You just don't understand how these systems work"

http://atlantablackstar.com/2016/06/15/study-cities-with-most-african-american-officers-have-fewer-police-shooting-victims-who-are-black/

Oh really, because the studies are showing that "systems" with more diversity in law enforcement have safer communities, maybe it's YOU that might not understand how systems work.

Also, your Iraq analogy is really off base, we are discussing community policing, not international warfare.


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    #23569206 - 08/23/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So the problem IS race related.

I accept your apology.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23569226 - 08/23/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So the problem IS race related.

I accept your apology.




Well, I think people should police their own communities, you seem to think it's a horrible idea. You do realize there's many different ways to police even with the same laws on the books?

Maybe the community itself is more comfortable with the same demographic policing them and it has nothing to do with the cop themselves, perception can be reality.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
    #23569237 - 08/23/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I dont think its a horrible idea, Im simply pointing out why theres hesitation.


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