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Re: Black lives matter [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23568783 - 08/23/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So people who refuse to join the group they do not trust, or outright dislike, are adding to the problem?

Give me a break. I'm all for a better respresentation of communities as far as demographics go, but you cant alienate a community and then pout when they dont want to help you.




So you think reform from the outside is better than reform from the inside, no way.

If the police departments were as distrustful as you claim, they would NOT allow blacks to join their force in the first place, do you not see the inconsistency with your line of reasoning?

Maybe blacks should have never run for Mayor, Congress, Sheriff, or US President because they couldn't trust those groups, what a sad excuse.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
    #23568797 - 08/23/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:

If the police departments were as distrustful as you claim, they would NOT allow blacks to join their force in the first place, do you not see the inconsistency with your line of reasoning?





Wtf?

I dont even know where to begin with this babble.

Just keep on blaming the victim.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23568812 - 08/23/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

qman said:

If the police departments were as distrustful as you claim, they would NOT allow blacks to join their force in the first place, do you not see the inconsistency with your line of reasoning?





Wtf?

I dont even know where to begin with this babble.

Just keep on blaming the victim.






Try answering the question, if these police departments were as horrible as you describe, wouldn't they be exclusionary in nature?  But they're not, anybody can join.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
    #23568957 - 08/23/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Youve been avoiding my questions for the past two pages.

Regardless, I'm sure they are exclusionary in nature in regards to those communities. Its just like any other group.


Imagine I'm antiwar. I join the army to make a difference. I go to Iraq. I voice dissent almost daily.

Do you think my concerns are taken to heart? Fuck no. Im ostracized, marginalized, ignored, etc. You just dont understand how these systems work.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23569198 - 08/23/16 01:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Youve been avoiding my questions for the past two pages.

Regardless, I'm sure they are exclusionary in nature in regards to those communities. Its just like any other group.


Imagine I'm antiwar. I join the army to make a difference. I go to Iraq. I voice dissent almost daily.

Do you think my concerns are taken to heart? Fuck no. Im ostracized, marginalized, ignored, etc. You just dont understand how these systems work.




"You just don't understand how these systems work"

http://atlantablackstar.com/2016/06/15/study-cities-with-most-african-american-officers-have-fewer-police-shooting-victims-who-are-black/

Oh really, because the studies are showing that "systems" with more diversity in law enforcement have safer communities, maybe it's YOU that might not understand how systems work.

Also, your Iraq analogy is really off base, we are discussing community policing, not international warfare.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman] * 1
    #23569206 - 08/23/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So the problem IS race related.

I accept your apology.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23569226 - 08/23/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
So the problem IS race related.

I accept your apology.




Well, I think people should police their own communities, you seem to think it's a horrible idea. You do realize there's many different ways to police even with the same laws on the books?

Maybe the community itself is more comfortable with the same demographic policing them and it has nothing to do with the cop themselves, perception can be reality.


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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
    #23569237 - 08/23/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I dont think its a horrible idea, Im simply pointing out why theres hesitation.


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