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I love how his argument against accountability is that recruitment numbers will drop, or inferring that cops should be allowed a freebie murder because theyre underpaid.
Fucking ridiculous.
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Kinko said: Qman stop it you stop it right now.. the real problem is cops get slapped on the wrist for breaking the law... They usually get fired for something a regular person would have to serve time for. Little accountability since cops work in close quarters with lawyers and judges... You conservatives are so naive
OK, lets make the penalty for any wrongdoing from a cop very severe, then who will want to work as a cop in the future?
Would you take a low paying job that constantly puts your life on the line with the potential of going to prison if you make one mistake? No, nobody would sigh up for that type of employment.
LOL lots of people will still be cops.
Also, most cops dont put their lives on the line. I know for a fact its been explained to you on numerous occasions that there are easily a dozen other more dangerous jobs out there.
If you cant do a job without breaking the law, maybe the job of upholding the law isnt for you. Bunch of overweight unionized privileged little pussies.
Yet, why aren't more African Americans willing to sign up to be cops in their own communities? The police departments are begging for more of them to join their forces, yet it's not enough.
"If you cant do a job without breaking the law, maybe the job of upholding the law isn't for you"
I agree, but many people thought Darren Wilson should have been charged with murder for defending himself, do you not see the risk with that type of employment?
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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
#23568476 - 08/23/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Because black communitirs inherently distrust the police because of the exact problems BLM is bringing to light.
I was waiting for you to start victim blaming, I appreciate your being so forthright.
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As far as Darren Wilson, yeah the justice system mightve got one right. There is still clearly a problem with the process.
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The Ecstatic said: Because black communitirs inherently distrust the police because of the exact problems BLM is bringing to light.
So instead they stay on the sidelines and let the very people they "distrust" to police them? And if something bad happens they can just criticize and scream racism?
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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
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The Ecstatic said: Because black communitirs inherently distrust the police because of the exact problems BLM is bringing to light.
So instead they stay on the sidelines and let the very people they "distrust" to police them? And if something bad happens they can just criticize and scream racism?
Hence the protests...
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"problem with the process"
The 'war on drugs' is the root of the problem, I don't hear anyone talking about changing the drug laws, it's all blame the cops for enforcing the laws that are on the books.
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What do you expect to happen? Honestly?
The poorest, least educated, most crime ridden communities will suddenly unify in support of the mechanisms that have caused those exact problems?
This is not how humans work. Why didnt the Jews just join the Nazis and change them from the inside? Why didnt communists get MBA's and becomr CEOs and then alter things?
If we're gonna play that game, how bout the people actually getting paid to fix this mess stop trying to play GI Joe and actually police these communities? Gain their trust?
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Re: Black lives matter [Re: Maroon]
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Maroon said: Some should analyze the face figures of the BLM movements. People like Deray McKesson and shordeedoowhop (Twitter account) are clearly both working with an agenda. Between the two of them they are always present at major BLM causes just prior to them occurring. It's a coincidence that cannot be overlooked any further.
Some of these events were orchestrated events to aid in the conqeur and divide tactics is being promoted currently as poor people are coming together and realizing who the common oppressors truly are and its transcended race at this moment. I'm pumped!! Thank you Internet!!!!
Nobody is curious how people like Deray McKesson afford to quit their careers and live tweet all day every day? Who is paying this dudes bills? Hmmmmmm
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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
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The Ecstatic said: As far as Darren Wilson, yeah the justice system mightve got one right. There is still clearly a problem with the process.
"problem with the process"
The 'war on drugs' is the root of the problem, I don't hear anyone talking about changing the drug laws, it's all blame the cops for enforcing the laws that are on the books.
Are you kidding me? All the groups who would sympathize with and/or support BLM have all been calling for drug reform. And a demilitarized police. And a min wage increase. And infrastructure investment. And public college investments.
Literally all the things that can and will alleviate the negatives these communities face. Which of those do you support?
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The Ecstatic said: Because black communitirs inherently distrust the police because of the exact problems BLM is bringing to light.
So instead they stay on the sidelines and let the very people they "distrust" to police them? And if something bad happens they can just criticize and scream racism?
Hence the protests...
That type of protesting is stupid if you're unwilling to be part of the process, nobody treats you better if you just ask for it, you need to get involved.
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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
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I mean people like Deray McKesson are easy to expose and show that the movement is infiltrated.
I mean look at anonymous instead of exposing Isis for the proxy army it is they have #opiceisis and just attempts to legitimize Isis as a legitimate threat and terrorist organizations
These Social movements from anon to the wall street movements were all infiltrated and manipulated it's clear as day
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The Ecstatic said: What do you expect to happen? Honestly?
The poorest, least educated, most crime ridden communities will suddenly unify in support of the mechanisms that have caused those exact problems?
This is not how humans work. Why didnt the Jews just join the Nazis and change them from the inside? Why didnt communists get MBA's and becomr CEOs and then alter things?
If we're gonna play that game, how bout the people actually getting paid to fix this mess stop trying to play GI Joe and actually police these communities? Gain their trust?
"Gain their trust?"
Asking them to police their own communities accomplishes that goal, the Jews didn't have that option in Germany.
Just passing the buck and saying police us nicer because we asked you is beyond silly, why would I expect a "racist" police department to treat me better?
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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
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How is expecting the authority to solve the problem passing the buck?
They arent protecting nor serving these communities.
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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
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The Ecstatic said: Because black communitirs inherently distrust the police because of the exact problems BLM is bringing to light.
So instead they stay on the sidelines and let the very people they "distrust" to police them? And if something bad happens they can just criticize and scream racism?
Hence the protests...
That type of protesting is stupid if you're unwilling to be part of the process, nobody treats you better if you just ask for it, you need to get involved.
Many are. You have to see the bigger picture, especially if your main criticism is BLM not seeing the bigger picture. These things dont happen in a vaccum. There are flaws, of course, but BLM is a tool.
Should we use that tool to solve problems we all agree need to be solved (police accountability, militarization)? Or should we just demonize the tool and create more problems?
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They arent protecting nor serving these communities.
When they ask you to join them and you refuse, you're passing the buck. You do realize there are many black police chiefs and high ranking police men? You do realize there are many black cops that patrol their own communities, don't you think having more blacks involved in their own police departments is better than hoping and praying the existing police serve their communities better?
No one is excluding blacks from policing their own communities, that's NOT a problem. The problem is NOT enough blacks take on that responsibility!
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So people who refuse to join the group they do not trust, or outright dislike, are adding to the problem?
Give me a break. I'm all for a better respresentation of communities as far as demographics go, but you cant alienate a community and then pout when they dont want to help you.
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The Ecstatic said: Because black communitirs inherently distrust the police because of the exact problems BLM is bringing to light.
So instead they stay on the sidelines and let the very people they "distrust" to police them? And if something bad happens they can just criticize and scream racism?
Hence the protests...
That type of protesting is stupid if you're unwilling to be part of the process, nobody treats you better if you just ask for it, you need to get involved.
Many are. You have to see the bigger picture, especially if your main criticism is BLM not seeing the bigger picture. These things dont happen in a vaccum. There are flaws, of course, but BLM is a tool.
Should we use that tool to solve problems we all agree need to be solved (police accountability, militarization)? Or should we just demonize the tool and create more problems?
Thay want to make it a race issue instead of a "police accountability" issue, that's why BLM will always be a failure.
Just imagine if ALL citizens were united for police reform, could you see how much more could be accomplished? But no, it has to be a black victim vs white cop perpetrator narrative created by the MSM.
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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
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The Ecstatic said: How is expecting the authority to solve the problem passing the buck?
They arent protecting nor serving these communities.
When they ask you to join them and you refuse, you're passing the buck. You do realize there are many black police chiefs and high ranking police men? You do realize there are many black cops that patrol their own communities, don't you think having more blacks involved in their own police departments is better than hoping and praying the existing police serve their communities better?
No one is excluding blacks from policing their own communities, that's NOT a problem. The problem is NOT enough blacks take on that responsibility!
Good idea blame disenfranchised populations for not picking up their bootstraps and joining a tyrannical system that incarcerates them at alarming rates.
All arrests are weighted the same for police officers. When police offers are pressured to meet quotas then they will take the path of least resistance and go after low hanging fruit. Hey go to low income areas where often times illegal commerce is the only viable option out of oppression and focus on low level non physical drug offenses.
I wonder why these already disenfranchised people aren't stepping up.
Take a look at maslows hierarchy of needs. These people are melts at such basic levels they never have the chance to move into higher levels of thought necessary for actions you are discussing.
Furthermore movements like BLM are as infiltrated as ever. They are just pushing more racial tensions and conquer and divide tactics.
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Re: Black lives matter [Re: qman]
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Kinko said: Qman stop it you stop it right now.. the real problem is cops get slapped on the wrist for breaking the law... They usually get fired for something a regular person would have to serve time for. Little accountability since cops work in close quarters with lawyers and judges... You conservatives are so naive
OK, lets make the penalty for any wrongdoing from a cop very severe, then who will want to work as a cop in the future?
Would you take a low paying job that constantly puts your life on the line with the potential of going to prison if you make one mistake? No, nobody would sigh up for that type of employment.
Not that being a cop pays that great to begin with (you are the first to raise the issue of pay), but taking away the whole de facto above the law thing might really improve cadet quality. Anyone heard how you get to kill a nigger and walk scott free?
@qman: what type of protest is not stupid? And as far as getting involved, there have been several BLMers elected to office which is one milestone OWS didn't get in the US
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