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Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy
#23474929 - 07/25/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hello All,
I experimented with some popcorn and (not to my surprise) - had a big issue with contamination. Needless to say, I won't be attempting popcorn again any time soon....hehe
Regardless, I had some pint jars of popcorn that made it through the contamination factory that I wanted to play around with.

-Substrate is Coir/Verm made with Damions coir tek -1/4 spawn/substrate ratio -1/4 in holes in all the right (or wrong) places stuffed with polyfil
I have absolutely no idea how this is going to go... I will probably end up taking off the lid after colonization and tossing it into a chamber.
Many have tried - many have failed. But if I realize there is a big chance that this won't work too well, I might find myself real happy when it does!
Let me know what you guys think about the "Mini-Mono-Tube-Thingy".
(Tube = Joke from past growers posting about their 'mono-tubes'... )
Here we go!
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23474978 - 07/25/16 09:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Looks good to me! I wonder if that tray is lined at all? If not you might get some side pinning going on because the substrate will shrink away from the sides, but the build looks fine.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: Mycologist217]
#23474988 - 07/25/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wouldn't put it in a chamber if I were you. Although the shrooms might outgrow that thing height wise.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: Bobabouy]
#23475609 - 07/25/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mycologist217 said: Looks good to me! I wonder if that tray is lined at all? If not you might get some side pinning going on because the substrate will shrink away from the sides, but the build looks fine.
It is lined with a black vinyl cutout made from the skins of freshly slaughtered African unicorns. So hopefully there will be no side pinning.
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Bobabouy said: I wouldn't put it in a chamber if I were you. Although the shrooms might outgrow that thing height wise.
I'm fairly new to indoor cubensis growing so I have to ask... Why would you be against putting the tray into a SGFC or a chamber with good FAE and High Humidity?
I'm a greenhouse guy so I am fairly new to a lot of these indoor ninja techniques.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23475632 - 07/25/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not necessarily against it. It's just the chances of it drying out in a lager tub are increased. I mean, it has a lid on it already. If the shrooms outgrow the little tub, then you might want to transfer it to something larger.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: Bobabouy]
#23475694 - 07/25/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bobabouy said: Not necessarily against it. It's just the chances of it drying out in a lager tub are increased. I mean, it has a lid on it already. If the shrooms outgrow the little tub, then you might want to transfer it to something larger.
Ahh. I see.
I have the supplies available to create a humidified terrarium with good FAE. If they start to shroom-splode I think I will attempt that route.
I'm wondering about the 1/4 inch holes and if I can dial in good conditions just like I've seen others do in a monotub...
I searched for miniature tubs to get a basic idea and didn't find any tried and true teks on how to position holes besides substrate level holes and holes up top to vent. I went overboard knowing that if necessary I could pull polyfil or tape holes, etc...
Also, for some reason, I couldn't find any search results when I typed in "mini-mono-tube-thingy"... . Hahaha
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23475702 - 07/25/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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search just Mini Mono instead.
Pasty has a good link in his sig about Mini Monos.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: mupetmower]
#23475951 - 07/25/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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mupetmower said: search just Mini Mono instead.
Pasty has a good link in his sig about Mini Monos.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23482198 - 07/27/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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So this is day two and I'm starting to see some life shine through!
I've been looking into how to dial in the tray when it comes time to fruit.
I've seen a lot of people say the tub is dialed in nice when you get the circles of "no-condensation" around your polyfil.
I'm still a little while away from fruiting-but I'd like to know if anyone has some tips on dialing in good conditions in a tub of this size.
I imagine it will be a lot easier than a larger tub to get the humidity and fae right.
Thanks everyone!
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23482209 - 07/27/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you're willing to mist more, loosen them all up, or even take them out, and keep the bitch glistening
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: Mad Season]
#23482309 - 07/27/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: If you're willing to mist more, loosen them all up, or even take them out, and keep the bitch glistening
The bitch shall glisten good sir... the bitch shall glisten.
It is my knowledge to keep the lid on until 100% colonized, aye?
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23492325 - 07/30/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hello All,
This is day 5 on the mini-mono-tube-thingy...
It seems to be going well-lots of growth in the past 2 days. There is condensation on the inside of the tray and the mycelium has just about penetrated all of the top layer of coir/verm.
Can anyone give me some insight on what the conditions look like? I have not done any work to any of the polyfil as of yet as I don't want to disturb the colonizing mycelium.
The mycelium is definitely reaching out into the air a bit - not sure what that means in a miniature tub like this.
Let me know if you have any advice.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23492417 - 07/30/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Looks healthy to me! Got nice dry rings on your lid so I'm sure air is moving through....just let it set for the next week or so in fruiting conditions and you'll see some pins
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: Mycologist217]
#23492444 - 07/30/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mycologist217 said: Looks healthy to me! Got nice dry rings on your lid so I'm sure air is moving through....just let it set for the next week or so in fruiting conditions and you'll see some pins
In monotub grows, I see people taping the holes for colonization and then placing polyfil in to initiate the fruiting. I'm guessing this is so the colonizing mycelium gets it's dose of cO2... I did not make holes for colonization. I simply polyfilled the holes from the start and let it go.
In my opinion, in the wild, there is no one taping holes and no one to initiate pinning.
Is this a good school of thought or would this be something that needs to be done to larger substrates or maybe certain kinds of substrates?
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23492537 - 07/30/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lots of people doing spawn run in fruiting conditions. It's not a good practice for some species but for cubes it's fine and seems to even speed up pin times.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23492592 - 07/30/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Lots of people doing spawn run in fruiting conditions. It's not a good practice for some species but for cubes it's fine and seems to even speed up pin times.
Thanks a lot pasty.
I've got some of your plates in the mix right now as well...
Bout to be isolate'n dem genetics... Zing!
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23493002 - 07/30/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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morty422 said: Hello All,
I experimented with some popcorn and (not to my surprise) - had a big issue with contamination. Needless to say, I won't be attempting popcorn again any time soon....hehe
I'm wanting to do popcorn soon. Why do you say its a contamination factory? Feeling like I missed that part.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: JacobStorm]
#23493020 - 07/30/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The larger grain size and elevated endospore counts mean that in addition to have far less inoculation power and making spawn runs take longer with smaller yields, you also have to sterilize it longer or run the risk of the spawn going bacterial.
Popcorn can be made to work, I used it myself when starting. But it's the shittiest spawn there is no question. It's expensive and sub par from every possible aspect. If it's the only grain you can source then use it. Otherwise it's better to just eat it.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23493055 - 07/30/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: The larger grain size and elevated endospore counts mean that in addition to have far less inoculation power and making spawn runs take longer with smaller yields, you also have to sterilize it longer or run the risk of the spawn going bacterial.
Popcorn can be made to work, I used it myself when starting. But it's the shittiest spawn there is no question. It's expensive and sub par from every possible aspect. If it's the only grain you can source then use it. Otherwise it's better to just eat it.
Oh wow thats a lot of cons... I'm glad I found that out before wasting a lot of work. Thanks Pasty.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23493755 - 07/30/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: The larger grain size and elevated endospore counts mean that in addition to have far less inoculation power and making spawn runs take longer with smaller yields, you also have to sterilize it longer or run the risk of the spawn going bacterial.
Popcorn can be made to work, I used it myself when starting. But it's the shittiest spawn there is no question. It's expensive and sub par from every possible aspect. If it's the only grain you can source then use it. Otherwise it's better to just eat it.
To add more emphasis on why I dislike popcorn. I PC'd for 110 minutes. .....110..... I escaped with 2 jars out of 12...
Wtf, you know?
But hey, I never tried it-had some laying around. Had some extra MS syrines of B+ and thought, why not try? Now I know why you shouldn't try...
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23495750 - 07/31/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: The larger grain size and elevated endospore counts mean that in addition to have far less inoculation power and making spawn runs take longer with smaller yields, you also have to sterilize it longer or run the risk of the spawn going bacterial.
Popcorn can be made to work, I used it myself when starting. But it's the shittiest spawn there is no question. It's expensive and sub par from every possible aspect. If it's the only grain you can source then use it. Otherwise it's better to just eat it.
To add more emphasis on why I dislike popcorn. I PC'd for 110 minutes. .....110..... I escaped with 2 jars out of 12...
Wtf, you know?
But hey, I never tried it-had some laying around. Had some extra MS syrines of B+ and thought, why not try? Now I know why you shouldn't try...
Same here. I have a grip of it and thought it'd save a few bucks to use it but I'm glad I found this out. I'll spend the extra money to avoid all this trouble.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: JacobStorm]
#23495912 - 07/31/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I also soaked them for about 36 hours. So the idea of soaking popcorn for at least 24 hours and then PCing for 90 minutes so the 'endospores can germinate and then be killed' is bullshit to me.
WBS/RYE for me for now on. Never had any trouble with them.
No need to fix what is not broken...
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23495927 - 07/31/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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morty422 said: I also soaked them for about 36 hours. So the idea of soaking popcorn for at least 24 hours and then PCing for 90 minutes so the 'endospores can germinate and then be killed' is bullshit to me.
WBS/RYE for me for now on. Never had any trouble with them.
No need to fix what is not broken...
Huh I was following a tek that didn't involve soaking. Anymore I just pester cron if I'm worried the tek is out dated. We should have known tho I mean how many corn grows do we ever see?? lol.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: JacobStorm]
#23497261 - 07/31/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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morty422 said: I also soaked them for about 36 hours. So the idea of soaking popcorn for at least 24 hours and then PCing for 90 minutes so the 'endospores can germinate and then be killed' is bullshit to me.
WBS/RYE for me for now on. Never had any trouble with them.
No need to fix what is not broken...
Huh I was following a tek that didn't involve soaking. Anymore I just pester cron if I'm worried the tek is out dated. We should have known tho I mean how many corn grows do we ever see?? lol.
Yeah... I used it once about 4-5 years ago and had really awesome results. Upon getting back into p. cubensis, I thought I was going to have another successful grow. Now I know that I just got lucky back then!
If you were thinking about following a tek that didn't involve soaking the grains, then you will inevitably come across contamination. Popcorn has a LOT of nasties in it that you have to get rid of somehow. Pressure cooking the grains by themselves won't do it for you. You have to let all the endospores hiding in the grains germinate and then kill them. The best way to do that is through soaking - and even then, you still have a bad chance of killing them all. I would use another grain if I were you. Popcorn is just a bad thing waiting to turn into an ever worse thing.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23498055 - 08/01/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am fairly sure the consensus is turning on the endospore germinating concept.. Certainly grains do contain endospores (I guess), but soaking/simmering only serves to hydrate the grain.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: Mycologist217]
#23498071 - 08/01/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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clostridum butyricum from brewers grain(rye malt) it's very heat resistant because of the spores. it is responsible for the most part in the rancid smell if you let grains soak too long. it will survive the boil and is why your grains go bad and smell like puke and Greek feet feta if you don't sterilize them after your grain prep.
it forms endospores even culture on anaerobic plates with an abidance of nutrients. as you can see some subset of the population finds it appropriate to form endospores despite not having "bad conditions" as conditions get worse spore formation goes up. I would be nearly positive you end up with more endospores if you do a soak than if you skip a soak, either way these DO get killed by a PC in a sufficient cycle.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: Mycologist217]
#23498075 - 08/01/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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its always been about hydrating grains as far as I'm concerned, havent seen anyone say the germinating endospores thing this side of the millenium 
but another point is no TEK says dunk for at least 24 hrs, most says 24 hrs tops because as you've seen 36 hrs dunk is
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: spacechildo]
#23498175 - 08/01/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've used those exact trays the same way u are and they actually worked pretty fucking good. I just used them like a regular mono. I missed them once in a while if the surface seemed to be drying out too much....
One thing though, I filled the foil pan all the way up so the holes were at substrate level...
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
#23498327 - 08/01/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks Everyone.
I work in a mushroom operation that grows oysters (mainly) and a few other edibles but I am completely new to indoor techniques and small tubs, etc... We have a few 10'x15' greenhouses and a small indoor grow room we have been working on the past few days, we are currently in the building process of the indoor room. Our shelves come in tomorrow. We are straw guys mostly, we seldom use coir. Blah blah. Anywho...
I have not attempted a P. Cubensis grow in about 4-5 years and when I did it was short lived. I will definitely read up more on the endospore thing.
I am curious to see how this tray will turn out. Updated pics coming soon. Currently on mobile and not at the hizzy.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23498425 - 08/01/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you make your own spawn or buy it? At any rate oysters are like the 800lb gorilla of the myco world. They tend to do as they please and unless a contam like baccilus is totally out of control, they can simply just overpower it. No fucks given.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: Mad Season]
#23498510 - 08/01/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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clostridum butyricum from brewers grain(rye malt) it's very heat resistant because of the spores. it is responsible for the most part in the rancid smell if you let grains soak too long. it will survive the boil and is why your grains go bad and smell like puke and Greek feet feta if you don't sterilize them after your grain prep.
it forms endospores even culture on anaerobic plates with an abidance of nutrients. as you can see some subset of the population finds it appropriate to form endospores despite not having "bad conditions" as conditions get worse spore formation goes up. I would be nearly positive you end up with more endospores if you do a soak than if you skip a soak, either way these DO get killed by a PC in a sufficient cycle.
This is a little gold nugget of info thanks Mad.
OP After what Pasty said (in this thread or another) about all the cons of popcorn I wont use that except in a last ditch effort and only option.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23498563 - 08/01/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Do you make your own spawn or buy it? At any rate oysters are like the 800lb gorilla of the myco world. They tend to do as they please and unless a contam like baccilus is totally out of control, they can simply just overpower it. No fucks given.
We make our own spawn. We have been using rye grain as our spawn material for the past 3 weeks-ish. We use spawn bags that are inoculated with liquid culture. The liquid culture is developed from agar. I believe it is a 6-7 generation culture but I would have to ask or look at some of our logs. We keep incredibly detailed logs and I can look up just about anything I want if you have any questions. If I can't look it up/can't find it- I can ask one of my managers if you are curious.
Our main substrate is straw and we use hanging logs in our greenhouses.
The owner is always experimenting with things. We have a few mini projects including some laundry basket-type grows and some other tray type experiments going on. I live in a very populated area and we deal with over 200 restaurants including a few Michelin star rated clients.
It is the best job I have ever had and I am honored to be around such awesome people in the industry. The only downside is-talk about P. Cubensis is frowned upon heavily and I am not at liberty to discuss indoor grows with any of my co-workers or managers. I wouldn't want to hurt my relationship with my superiors, etc...
So.... I come here... hehe
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23498609 - 08/01/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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LC to spawn bags is my go to if I ever do another big grow. Pick my favorite clone, and bam! Too easy. I think the biggest stumbling block for active work, other than different fruiting needs, is getting good cultures down. Ya gotta do it all yourself. Sure ms is decent a lot of the time, but when it's not it sucks hard. Plus I only ever had one ms grow that could rival my best clones for yield.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23498635 - 08/01/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: LC to spawn bags is my go to if I ever do another big grow. Pick my favorite clone, and bam! Too easy. I think the biggest stumbling block for active work, other than different fruiting needs, is getting good cultures down. Ya gotta do it all yourself. Sure ms is decent a lot of the time, but when it's not it sucks hard. Plus I only ever had one ms grow that could rival my best clones for yield.
Well. If you ever want a badass oyster culture you know where to find me. It's like we're growing small planets over here...
I have some of your mini-rounds ready to go as we speak. I'm excited to begin isolating genetics in the B+ grow I have colonizing... after I get a good tissue sample I am going to begin a LC and do the same! I'd love to make a log of B+ or a few monotubs. I will probably go with the logs as I have more experience with them.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23498648 - 08/01/16 03:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wish I could do oysters but I can't take the risk of them sporulating. One of my dogs is so alergic that she will swell up like a balloon while breaking out in hives if she comes into contact with em. Even outside is a no go.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23498660 - 08/01/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Aww. Sad day.
Oysters are delicious!
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23498839 - 08/01/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Wish I could do oysters but I can't take the risk of them sporulating. One of my dogs is so alergic that she will swell up like a balloon while breaking out in hives if she comes into contact with em. Even outside is a no go.
Wow thats pretty extrem what terrible luck!
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: JacobStorm]
#23499050 - 08/01/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alright,
Day 7 here on the tub.
Not seeing any moisture on the substrate yet-so I'm wondering how it's dialed in.
I'm thinking I might tape off the 4 holes made on the top of the lid. I do not think they are needed and I think it is lowering the humidity level possibly? Not sure... Need advice on hole configuration...
The walls of the lid look good though, I can see condensation on the side and small areas where droplets have ran down the side as well.
When is it okay to take the lid of this thing? I'd love to be able to give it some cool mist love if I can.
This grow is far from sterile at this point, but opening the lid might invite some nasties in? Any advice on taking the lid off yet? Should I wait until I see a more uniform layer of mycelium on the top?
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23499080 - 08/01/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Check this out dude. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21032606#21032606
I did this hole placement for a BRF cake spawn in a tub-aware a little larger than a pickle jar and it turned out well. Same for the picture thats my avatar.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23499112 - 08/01/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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morty422 said: This grow is far from sterile at this point, but opening the lid might invite some nasties in? Any advice on taking the lid off yet? Should I wait until I see a more uniform layer of mycelium on the top?
Neither fruiting not spawning are sterile processes. Introduction of FAE will not hurt the spawn run, in fact people lately have taken to doing the spawn run in fruiting conditions. While that would be a horrible practice for a species like Hericium, for cubes it won't hurt a thing.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23499602 - 08/01/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good to know. Thanks Pasty. I think I'm going to try and keep this one all tucked away until time for harvest...
The mycelium looks healthy. Conditions seem to be alright for now. I'll be going on a little vacation here in a few days so I'll have to make sure things are somewhat okay in lieu of my return.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23499690 - 08/01/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm still too skiddish to fruit my ribs at spawning...but I am considering doing a side by side run in mini monos after my current project fruits, I'll commit to giving it a shot then.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: Mycologist217]
#23520755 - 08/07/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alright,
So... left on a business trip for 4 days and came back to this.

Got some big guys in there, but no shroom-splosion.
Hey, for something I thought was not going to produce anything-I am pleased.
This looks like a flush that is going to come in fairly uneven. So I guess it's time to pick the big ones and let the others go for a bit, eh? Also, it looks like I never got an evenly covered top substrate. Probably due to being in fruiting conditions during the spawn run?
Let me know what you guys think now that there's some life showing!
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23520785 - 08/07/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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They need more air...increase fresh air by loosening your poly
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: Mycologist217]
#23520835 - 08/08/16 12:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mycologist217 said: They need more air...increase fresh air by loosening your poly
Thanks. I will do just that!
I am new to indoor cubensis... what was one of the indicators that you saw that let you know low FAE was an issue?
I'll be starting a monotub's spawn run tomorrow and would like to be able to dial it in by what the mushrooms are telling me...
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23520879 - 08/08/16 12:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The fuzzy feet at the base of the mushrooms.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: Mycologist217]
#23520889 - 08/08/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wonderful. Thank you so much! I've enhanced the FAE and will post more pictures soon!
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23520929 - 08/08/16 01:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Neither fruiting not spawning are sterile processes. Introduction of FAE will not hurt the spawn run, in fact people lately have taken to doing the spawn run in fruiting conditions. While that would be a horrible practice for a species like Hericium, for cubes it won't hurt a thing.
So, as I returned to work at the mushroom sanctuary I saw that we had a few new guys in our agar inventory. Looks like we have some Herecium going. Just a mother plate at this point labeled H. Americanum and another beside it labeled H. SC...I'm guessing we've got a client that wants to see what we can do with Lion's Wig. Might be something we'll try to sell alongside our oysters. Who knows... This will be the first time I've ever seen Hericium here.
I might need to start delving into some other forums on the Shroomery. Might help me out with work related items!
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23521231 - 08/08/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hericium will pin invitro like a motherfucker so be careful with initiating tropisims with it. That was what my post was saying. Premature fresh air and possibly light can cause em to pin invitro which is a PITA. They are delicious tho, enjoy.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23528785 - 08/10/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hello Again,
So, another update. This is day "whatever the fuck it is" and it seems like my FAE problem is gone-zo!
I've pulled about 4.5 grams dry off of it so far and it looks like there's more to come. These guys are just about ready to go as well...
Check out the growth on top of that one little guy....looks funky...hehe

Let me know your thoughts.
I only used one PINT of spawn to 4 pints of coir/verm on this tub...lol
Hoping to get about 45lbs dry off this one!
I'm about 1/4500ths the way there...
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23528795 - 08/10/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think your success here should be geared toward a monorub grow next time! Don't be afraid to investigate agar technique and make endless clean grain spawn. You have what it takes....
You can render your experiment a success to say the least.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: Mycologist217]
#23528906 - 08/10/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mycologist217 said: I think your success here should be geared toward a monorub grow next time! Don't be afraid to investigate agar technique and make endless clean grain spawn. You have what it takes....
You can render your experiment a success to say the least.
Good job! Rating added!
I just spawned my first Monotub 2 days ago! Used Damion50/50's coir tek and about 5 quarts of WBS. Might be outdated technique, but I currently have it inside a black garbage bag in a room that is about 74 degrees. I peaked at it today and it seems to be coming along nicely. I am not going to do the spawn run in fruiting conditions on this one - as I did the tray. I'm going to try to get the whole block consolidated before I introduce FAE and Light...
I'll be starting a new post to log that grow soon.
While this one is going, I will begin looking into some agar methods that suit me and will probably take a tissue sample of the biggest baddest homeboy that comes off the monotub.
Exciting times to come!
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23528916 - 08/10/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It does not need to be in a garbage bag...,just have tape over the holes then stuff with poly at fruiting
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: Mycologist217]
#23529107 - 08/10/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mycologist217 said: It does not need to be in a garbage bag...,just have tape over the holes then stuff with poly at fruiting
Well, at least this means I can peak at it easier...
What was with the whole garbage bag thing anyway? Was that outdated information when everyone was scared of their mycelium seeing light until 100% colonized?
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23529120 - 08/10/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Looking good Morty! Lucky you actually get paid to work with Fungi That would be fucking awesome!
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: fungi-funguy]
#23529179 - 08/10/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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fungi-funguy said: Looking good Morty! Lucky you actually get paid to work with Fungi That would be fucking awesome!
I am definitely not doing all the fun stuff! We've got a guy that plays in the hood and does all our agar + active work.
It is a nice spot to be at though, and I enjoy this job more than the others I have had.
I am going to ask about getting into that part of our ops soon though... I want to learn their secrets and relate it to my cubies! hehe 
Also- your signature is showing up real funk-house on my end. Might be my web browser but your signature is partial code/partial text... Might want to look into it.
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23557786 - 08/19/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Spent too much time staring at my other monotube and didn't notice these guys were wanting some air again. This was from yesterday. I increased the FAE and the fuzzy feet ran away again.
Check out that mutant. It doesn't get any cooler than that shit. Bahaha
Edited by morty422 (08/19/16 07:01 PM)
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23557830 - 08/19/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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monotube? You'll get your father in here…
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: dankington]
#23557940 - 08/19/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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dankington said: monotube? You'll get your father in here…
Psh.
If he comes in with that fatherly bullshit I'll slam the door on him and tell him I don't love him anymore. That always gets em!
He just doesn't understand, you know?
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23557954 - 08/19/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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But it is a mono tub I don't see any tubes?
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23558040 - 08/19/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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mrmazdarx9 said: But it is a mono tub I don't see any tubes?
It's definitely a tube...
***Open your mind bro!!!***
(It's a joke from all the people that talked about their mono"tubes" when I first hopped on the forums...)
It's also to piss of Inocuole. Most of what I do here is an attempt to piss off Inocuole. It's sort of our thing...together...our special thing together...
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: morty422]
#23558058 - 08/19/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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mrmazdarx9 said: But it is a mono tub I don't see any tubes?
It's definitely a tube...
***Open your mind bro!!!***
(It's a joke from all the people that talked about their mono"tubes" when I first hopped on the forums...)
It's also to piss of Inocuole. Most of what I do here is an attempt to piss off Inocuole. It's sort of our thing...together...our special thing together...
I literally edited my first post saying unless you want to piss off innocuole  Good luck
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Re: Experimental (for me) Grow - The mini-mono-tube-thingy [Re: mrmazdarx9]
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mrmazdarx9 said:
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morty422 said:
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mrmazdarx9 said: But it is a mono tub I don't see any tubes?
It's definitely a tube...
***Open your mind bro!!!***
(It's a joke from all the people that talked about their mono"tubes" when I first hopped on the forums...)
It's also to piss of Inocuole. Most of what I do here is an attempt to piss off Inocuole. It's sort of our thing...together...our special thing together...
I literally edited my first post saying unless you want to piss off innocuole  Good luck
Thanks, I'll need it....
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