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OfflineRhiozan
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Syrian Rue (Harmala) intoxication
    #23474290 - 07/25/16 01:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hi shroomerites.

Many of you know Syrian Rue seeds as a powerful MAOI and triptamine potentiator.

I have naturally high tolerance to psilocybin (2 lvl trip from 5g). After having a fail, consuming harmala plant (brew made of 4g of leaves and stems did not provide me with the potentiation I would like to have), I finally got my hands on some Syrian Rue seeds.

I wanted to trip with my gf, so prior to tripping i fasted pretty much for the whole day (tea with few cookies during breakfast does not count, I guess). Then I had a workout. 4,3 g of seeds were crushed and simmered in acidic water for around half an hour, filtered and consumed around 5pm (oh God it was nasty). The shroom tea was prepared (5.5 g for myself and 2g for my GF).

In around 30 minutes i started to feel the effects of harmala: buzzing in the ears, warmth around the body, slight body jitters etc.

At 40 minutes I went to kitchen to drink the shroom tea. Just as i approached the glass, I suddenly felt bad and turned back. I started to sweat like hell, feeling nausea and headache. At first i thought it was my blood pressure rising, however it was dismissed after my gf measured my blood pressure and it was totally fine.

Then I felt slightly better and we went back to kitchen to consume shrooms where i suddenly felt worse again. We never drank the shroom tea in the end. I felt really sick, and it came in waves. I heard pretty distinct buzzing noise as if there was a rain. I also had strange visuals: when i moved my eyes the picture had effect similar to degaussing old CRT screens (the oldfags should remember). Two times I had to run and vomit violently. I felt like this for around 6-7 hours then it started to subside with waves of sickness still returning from time to time. The same night went without incidents and the next morning I was fine.

I understand that perhaps 4g was a strong doze, however not ridiculously so. The seeds were extracted so I counted they would lose some potency. Never taking that shit again.

I wonder what are the other options for shroom potentiation. As far as I can see there are many: black currant, grapefruit, quercetin, passiflora (basically same harmala alcaloids), curcumin, chamomile, coffee, selegiline.

Maybe some experienced shroomites should make a sticky thread similar to shroom adverse effects. It would list the available (even assumed) triptamine potentiators and maoi sources, like:

Harmala seeds

How much do you take for potentiation:
- 1g,
- 2g,
...

What is the estimated quotient of potentiation:
- none;
- marginal;
- around 1,5x;
- around 2x;

Adverse effects with your preferred dose:

-none;
-minor
-moderate
-strong

The elder shroomerites should consider a better study design, of course.

Peace to everyone.

And so on.


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Re: Syrian Rue (Harmala) intoxication [Re: Rhiozan]
    #23474749 - 07/25/16 08:27 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If you can't take syrian rue, then there is always turmeric and freshly cracked black pepper or even just fresh cracked black pepper on it's own.  With turmeric I tend to have two very heaped teaspoons along with maybe 1/4 teaspoon of fresh cracked black pepper.

I have had good results with the turmeric and pepper, and with syrian rue. I tend to chew up about 2 grams of rue, or simmer the 2 grams for a few minutes before adding the mushrooms to simmer for what I tend to call 'mushroomhuasca'.

I would say it is better to take the MAOI (rue/turmeric&pepper/pepper) at least 20 minutes or more before you take the mushrooms. I think I lose out on a bit of the potentiation when they are taken at the same time.

I don't seem to get any adverse effects, but it's more like the MAOI is like a protecting, comforting spirit that reassures me on the buzz.


Edited by wicca mixer (07/25/16 08:29 AM)


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Re: Syrian Rue (Harmala) intoxication [Re: Rhiozan]
    #23475524 - 07/25/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

next time add some ginger ( 1.5 - 2 g) while your brewing rue seeds helps with the nausea and stomach discomfort

and combining 4g rue with 5.5 g of mushees is a insane dose, :ooo:

I usually combine 2-3.5g of rue with tryptamines,  20 minutes after consuming rue tea

start low and work your way up slow, you can always get where you want to be eventually, don't rush it


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Re: Syrian Rue (Harmala) intoxication [Re: wicca mixer]
    #23475528 - 07/25/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Make an extract by saturating the tea with non-iodized salt,  decanting, then add hot water, filter, reduce and crystallize


Gets rid of the evil alkaloids from the seeds.


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Re: Syrian Rue (Harmala) intoxication [Re: Elff]
    #23475575 - 07/25/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

wicca mixer said:
If you can't take syrian rue, then there is always turmeric and freshly cracked black pepper or even just fresh cracked black pepper on it's own.  With turmeric I tend to have two very heaped teaspoons along with maybe 1/4 teaspoon of fresh cracked black pepper.
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Currently i have some hands on 50g of dried passionflower plant. I would start from 3g dose (any other tips?). Turmenic/curcumin + black pepper would be interesting to try, but maybe after I try grapefruit juice.

As i said, i couldnt consume the shroom tea since i go so damn sick...

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Elff said:
next time add some ginger ( 1.5 - 2 g) while your brewing rue seeds helps with the nausea and stomach discomfort

and combining 4g rue with 5.5 g of mushees is a insane dose, :ooo:






I actually forgot to say that I actually added a pinch (a small one) to the rue concoction. It was not enough obviously. And in this case I really doubt that even 3g of ginger would prevent me from being sick.

I know that 5,5g of shrooms on 4g of syrian rue is a huge dose, but I was so eager, because I dont seem to be able to have a normal trip at all. The strongest trip I ever had was around lvl 3 or less, from 5g of potent cubes. And I know they are potent since i grow them myself and those that i share them with report tripping balls on 2,5g. My gf had a full-scale lvl 5 bad trip with 5g of my shrooms, while I had lvl 2, from the same dose with the same batch.

I would so love to get my hands on 5g of selegiline, however this is not an option at the moment.


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Re: Syrian Rue (Harmala) intoxication [Re: Rhiozan]
    #23475597 - 07/25/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Lemon EO seems to reduce nausea/vomiting from Rue with me. But if you were to take a moderate to strong dosage of Rue daily for a week or two a reverse tolerance would build up and the nausea/vomiting would go away on it's own, and the body load would feel cleaner. As for the Rue dosage, usually 3 grams is a better dose than 4, 4 grams is a stronger dose, 3 grams usually cause no nausea/vomiting for me.

It's also better to work with freebased Rue extracts, either full spectrum or purified Harmalas. But i prefer the full spectrum because Rue contains other alkaloids, which while some see them as bad for some reason, they are actually alright alkaloids, just can't be consumed by pregnant women because they are abortive.


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Re: Syrian Rue (Harmala) intoxication [Re: Sabnock]
    #23475799 - 07/25/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I don't get the wierd dizzy/inner ear issues or nausea from extract.


Haven't done base, just salt so far.  It's definitely not pure harmine / harmaline with just an NaCl decant


I'd rather not smoke it either.  Crystals can be taken sublingual.


The potentiation is close to 2x for figuring out dosages. 


Edited by Snazz (07/25/16 03:09 PM)


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