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Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia?
    #23474169 - 07/25/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I really want to go deeper with salvia as it seems to be offering me some of the deepest lessons of any plant but there is also something I dont like about it. I find it a little creepy to be honest.

The revelations i get from salvia are heavy and extreme and each trip seems to change me a lot. Has anyone gone all the way with salvia (I mean using it a lot over a long period to really absorb its lessons) and where did it lead?

I feel like salvia takes me within/destroys my ego is a deeper, cleaner way than any other substance. Entire ego structures that survived years of tripping on regular psychedelics seem to get blown off in seconds when I smoke salvia extracts. It also seems to offer a degree of safety though, like for instance I find taking enough amanita muscaria to deconstruct my ego to be dangerous, there is a risk of bodily symptoms and bad trips that are hard to put myself back together from. Salvia seems to take me very far out but also return me rather quickly and safely.

Should I go ahead and allow it to transform me?


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23474556 - 07/25/16 06:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That choices yours. Salvia scares the crap out of me.  I feel that same creepiness. I've only tried it twice,  once when I was 15 and once last year at 21. First time I was blasted into this very structured machinery that felt like an inter-dimensional place,  a transitionary collective of everything. Being forced down I to the tracks of it,  which flooded all knowledge into my being once I connected in. Second time all those years later, I was able to unfold from this reality into that exact same red fleshy dimension. I passionately was yelling into it like,  "Why?! Why does this fucking place exist ?! Why is our life like that, and this like this?!" I got no answers,  but fuck, I went to the same exact real tangible place,  6 years later. One day I'll feel called to return. Despite the fear, I am immensely curious.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Bomb Diggity]
    #23474576 - 07/25/16 06:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's funny you mentioned this, Mike4aco and I were having a conversation about Salvia last night; I told him I tried it back in 2008 and couldn't help but feel there was something dark about this substance. Since 2008, I've had a lot more experiences with psychedelics and feel like I wouldn't mind giving it another shot to see how I feel about it these days. It's just no longer accessible at local shops now, like it was back in 2008.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: SyzygisticSoul]
    #23474592 - 07/25/16 06:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I find salvia very aggressive. Its basically like dragging you behind a speeding car rather than pushing you along through the trip and that feeling of wonder or excitement like DMT can give you. I totally lost my ego and who i was to the point thati thought i was some sort of demigod and knew the answer to the ending of theworld and was holding the whole project in my hands (it was a pillow in reality but i thought it was blueprints ) hahaha


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23474608 - 07/25/16 06:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I lmao reading that. I remember when I tried it, I was on my senior trip and a buddy had some. I hit it twice and remember feeling like a dark/creepy shadow/presence came over me, then I felt half of my face start to melting off downwards while the other side of my face felt like it was freezing upwards; giving me the sensation that my face was in the shape of a ying yang sign lol if that makes any sense.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23474612 - 07/25/16 07:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You're right, salvia is very blunt. You're feeling 'the fear' though, and that can come from lots of things. My first salvia trip, which was my first trip, was complete ego death. Upon exiting the experience I had no recollection of who I was, where I was, who these people were, what my life is and has been. It was frightening and despite bein on the verge of an anxiety attack I simply went and breathed some fresh air on the balcony. When you wipe the slate clean, it makes it easier to evaluate and compare that life to the one you're used to. In that sense I/you are granted a greater understanding of your desires in life. After that I dropped the opiates, the mdma and meth, all the shit drugs along with my shit friends, started searching for shrooms and the rest is history. Luckily the shrooms just compounded all my found desires and my life changed for the better.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23475120 - 07/25/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

To anyone that gets mostly creepy fear and malvoleance from Salvia, I suggest you start with plain leaf instead of extracts, and go into it with a really positive calm attitude.

After building up some reverse tolerance I can get really intense breakthrough experiences from just a tiny amount of plainleaf now... I get more of a "jokester" cartoony vibe instead that scary dystopia, and I feel more of a nurturing green goddess presence mostly.  However, I still get serious loss of reality, visiting totally other realms, or being torn across the middle with part of me in this realm and part of me in another. I get total amnesia about ever being a personality, a human, ever having a name, it is profound ego/memory loss almost every time.

Plus, if you keep it really lite, there is a definite anti-depressant effect that kicks in very quickly and lasts for days or even a week or more.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #23499076 - 08/01/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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To anyone that gets mostly creepy fear and malvoleance from Salvia, I suggest you start with plain leaf instead of extracts, and go into it with a really positive calm attitude.

After building up some reverse tolerance I can get really intense breakthrough experiences from just a tiny amount of plainleaf now... I get more of a "jokester" cartoony vibe instead that scary dystopia, and I feel more of a nurturing green goddess presence mostly.  However, I still get serious loss of reality, visiting totally other realms, or being torn across the middle with part of me in this realm and part of me in another. I get total amnesia about ever being a personality, a human, ever having a name, it is profound ego/memory loss almost every time.

Plus, if you keep it really lite, there is a definite anti-depressant effect that kicks in very quickly and lasts for days or even a week or more.




Can you please shed some more light on the reverse tolerance effect? I have smoked salvia many many times and I seem to have a pretty high tolerance to it. I'm trying to find a way around it. How long does this reverse tolerance last? I never noticed any in my experience.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #23499206 - 08/01/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I find it a little sinister and definitely forceful. It always feels like someone or something is playing a mean spirited practical joke on me.  Not a fan.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: afrogus]
    #23499232 - 08/01/16 06:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

When I think about tripping, there's this little fear that I have. Like an inner voice telling me not to do it. It's warning me about the ugly side that I want to avoid. Salvia is all about that. It exploits the uncomfortable part of tripping. A disoriented feeling where you're losing control a little faster than you'd like. It's a shitty psychedelic, IMO.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: afrogus]
    #23499266 - 08/01/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I smoked Salvia so many times, I have lost count within first year of use. Yet still, every time I smoke an extract it feels like bungee jumping or sky diving. Main reason being, each trip is different and unpredictable. I can not predict what trip will I have if I smoke a strong extract.

During my latest trip on 60x  I have met a rather COLD-vibed entity. But I will keep details to myself. This entity was testing me/giving me a lesson. I have learned, that I am immune to suggestions and, possibly, hypnosis. In the past I used to think that I have a weak personality. Now I can see my strength.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #23499355 - 08/01/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

salvia is indeed a true powerhouse of cold blunt forced cosmic truth.
With respect she will guide you, but don't for one second be caught off guard or you will regret it.
Go into every journey with the idea that it won't be fun but it will show you some things no other substance has access to.

I recently smoked 10x extract on some 1pLSD and MY GOD WOW, I won't go into detail but I have a thread in the ODD sub forum.

Point is, salvia is the ultimate teacher, but as with the grandest of lessons, they do not come without sacrifice.

I even cultivate this bueatiful plant and have a decent relationship with this plant, I experimented with mushrooms 14+ times and LSD 3 times before even contemplating salvia so it helps when you know what you're getting into compared to the YouTube videos you see.

For anyone who wants a more subtle experience look into buccal ROAs, it's a whole different trip I've read.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Universe] * 1
    #23499360 - 08/01/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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When I think about tripping, there's this little fear that I have. Like an inner voice telling me not to do it. It's warning me about the ugly side that I want to avoid. Salvia is all about that. It exploits the uncomfortable part of tripping. A disoriented feeling where you're losing control a little faster than you'd like. It's a shitty psychedelic, IMO.




That would be your ego lol.
Salvia can be dysphoric for some people but that doesn't make it a "shitty" psychedelic.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: impaired420]
    #23500314 - 08/01/16 10:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I wouldn't be completely creeped out by it.  You can have a bad time on alot of psychedelics.  I kind of feel you though, for some reason, I keep putting off doing it again.  It's definitely not a plant that I have an urge to use again.

The last time I did it was off 100x extract awhile back.  I mixed it with a little bit too big of a dose of 2ce (40mg), and 2-3 tenths of ketamine.  I took a massive rip because the Ket allowed my lungs to do so.  I held it in for a really long time.  I remember blowing it out, and having a revelation about how time worked.  I felt like I had figured it out, and my visuals slowed down a bunch and started "looping".  Everybody else said I held the pipe for a second, then said "what's going on" and passed out for about 10 mins.  I woke up remembering I had this amazing time revelation, but I couldn't remember what the revelation was.  It felt as though something plucked it from my brain when I passed out. 

This experience just keeps me extremely interested in the plant, and stands out in my mind.  I wish I could find 100x extract still, I don't feel like smoking a bunch of plant material everyday.  I just want to catapult into it again.  All of my other experiences with it were just wierd, uncomfortable, and underwhelming.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Universe] * 1
    #23500400 - 08/01/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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When I think about tripping, there's this little fear that I have. Like an inner voice telling me not to do it. It's warning me about the ugly side that I want to avoid. Salvia is all about that. It exploits the uncomfortable part of tripping. A disoriented feeling where you're losing control a little faster than you'd like. It's a shitty psychedelic, IMO.




I disagree that its a shitty psychedelic, I believe personally that all the natural plant entheogens are amazingly powerful gifts and if there is a problem, it is user error.

So to me, the fact that I find salvia so creepy indicates to me that on some level there is something salvia shows me that I am deathly afraid to look at.

I believe the only shitty psychedelics are (some) of the man made ones. I am not talking about LSD as that one's pretty good, because I've read some really scary stories about what some RCs have done to people.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23500484 - 08/02/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

yes its a creepy drug. a grey scale psychadelic as i like to it


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: rickjamez20] * 1
    #23512906 - 08/05/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

definitely a creepy psychedelic/dissociative...


even though I find it dysphoric, utterly bizarre and terrifying a lot of the time, there's something that keeps me going back.. I've done it over 100 times at different dosages and settings.

if you do it on another dissociative, usually the tail end of a 'hole'... it's fucking amazing, no dysphoria, anxiety, or confusion... I have found so much more from it doing it this way :thumbup:


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23512937 - 08/05/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I would describe it more as "disturbing." Existing as a couch or a conveyor belt or carpet or grass is a disturbing experience. The whole thing is just weird from start to finish.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: LuSiD9]
    #23512947 - 08/05/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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definitely a creepy psychedelic/dissociative...


even though I find it dysphoric, utterly bizarre and terrifying a lot of the time, there's something that keeps me going back.. I've done it over 100 times at different dosages and settings.

if you do it on another dissociative, usually the tail end of a 'hole'... it's fucking amazing, no dysphoria, anxiety, or confusion... I have found so much more from it doing it this way :thumbup:




interesting. what kind of insights or revelations do you get from this experience?


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23513638 - 08/05/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I would describe it more as "disturbing." Existing as a couch or a conveyor belt or carpet or grass is a disturbing experience. The whole thing is just weird from start to finish.




that conveyor belt is such a common theme... so weird.

I've also been a spot on a spread peacock tail, the symbol on a card in a spread deck, a post in a picket fence, the front of a school bus, a floor tile, a piano key and a bunch of other weird random shit...

I bought this book called 'the search for the spirit of salvia' or something like that... very interesting... the guy talks about looking at salvia trips the same way you would interpret a dream... kinda hard to explain, but it made me want to go back to salvia exploration, I haven't since it's become so hard to come by now... only gripe I have about the book is that he goes on way to much about his divorce and his ex-wife and shit, you'll know what I mean if you read it.. a lot of reviewers had the same gripe.

 
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definitely a creepy psychedelic/dissociative...


even though I find it dysphoric, utterly bizarre and terrifying a lot of the time, there's something that keeps me going back.. I've done it over 100 times at different dosages and settings.

if you do it on another dissociative, usually the tail end of a 'hole'... it's fucking amazing, no dysphoria, anxiety, or confusion... I have found so much more from it doing it this way :thumbup:




interesting. what kind of insights or revelations do you get from this experience?




very hard to put my finger on, but it's very profound for sure... I almost as if I had knowledge downloaded or installed into my being... the parts I remember most though were almost like reliving a very vivid memory of being a 'being' of light along side a very large group of other light beings being shot off to different realities? or dimensions?, planets? I dunno... but we were all the same, and we had a very important purpose/mission... after coming back, I have no recollection of that purpose of course lol... seems like that how it's supposed to work or something, as frustrating as it is... 

very, very, very vivid and lucid... like I was being shown something by a very sentient, and ancient being or beings..

explaining it is honestly just as hard, if not harder than describing a full blown dmt trip... and was even more profound IMO...

there doesn't seem to be so much of the becoming of random objects and shit... it was something entirely different... this happens every time I do it.

your mileage may vary of course... although a couple people on here that I recommended to try it reported some very similar things.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: LuSiD9] * 1
    #23514456 - 08/05/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I just extracted 3.5g plain leaf in 105proof alcohol 10mL and put a small capfull maybe 2mL total in my mouth for fifteen minutes and had a very pleasant evening.
Going to add more leaves to the same tincture in a week because it's still not as strong as I'd like but first impression of buccal administered salvia is a YES for me.

Although I still see myself smoking it as well.
Like someone else said. I'm not sure why I keep getting drawn back to this terrifying substance.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: impaired420]
    #23514653 - 08/05/16 10:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Salvia is just too uncomfortable for me. I trip really really hard off of smoking it but it's not a pleasant trip like shrooms are. It always triggers an impulse to laugh my ass off but there's nothing funny about it. Good thing a smoked bowl only ever lasted 5 minutes for me.

To think that me and my friends actually had salvia smoking sessions back in the day... Bowl after bowl, it was nuts.

After so long without it, I think I am done with this plant. I'd like it if it was euphoric but it simply isn't.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Canadian Jesus]
    #23514680 - 08/05/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's been about 10 years since I've last smoked salvia. I'm a lot experienced with psychedelics these days so I've been curious how I'd handle it now. Def wouldn't mind having a salvia plant around the house.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #23514868 - 08/06/16 01:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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To anyone that gets mostly creepy fear and malvoleance from Salvia, I suggest you start with plain leaf instead of extracts, and go into it with a really positive calm attitude.

After building up some reverse tolerance I can get really intense breakthrough experiences from just a tiny amount of plainleaf now... I get more of a "jokester" cartoony vibe instead that scary dystopia, and I feel more of a nurturing green goddess presence mostly.  However, I still get serious loss of reality, visiting totally other realms, or being torn across the middle with part of me in this realm and part of me in another. I get total amnesia about ever being a personality, a human, ever having a name, it is profound ego/memory loss almost every time.

Plus, if you keep it really lite, there is a definite anti-depressant effect that kicks in very quickly and lasts for days or even a week or more.




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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: d0urd3n]
    #23515050 - 08/06/16 03:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I did 40x with my friend in his car during my sophmore year of high school. I took a huge rip and held it in for the recommended 30 seconds or so. I was actually disappointed at first, I wondered "well...is it gonna kick in?"

All of a sudden my existence completely ceased, I don't know how else to explain it. All I saw, heard, experienced, was pitch black. Eventually 5 of my mouths(yes like my actual mouth that I use to talk IRL), were stacked on top of each other all upside down. They repeatedly uttered the phrase in a strangely distorted version of my own voice "This is *insert my first name*'s mouth right now, This is *insert my first name*'s mouth right now" Over and over and over and over...it felt like an eternity. This was all I was, the only knowledge or purpose my pitiful existence carried. This one visual/auditory hallucination that felt like a life long loop of hell.

I snapped out of it all at once and felt as if I had just awakened from an extended coma. I lost my shit in my friends car and started flailing my arms and legs everywhere. I opened up the door and fell onto the parking lot where we were, gasping for breath. It took a few minutes for me to regain my composure and process what exactly had happened to me. To this day I still don't really understand.

Although I've been offered the substance twice since then, I declined. Maybe it was just a particularly bad experience or I just took too much of too strong a concentrate, but I couldn't forsee myself learning from or enjoying the substance at all.

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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: xThunder]
    #23515723 - 08/06/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm loving salvias antidepressant effects.
I have felt like a million bucks ever since smoking 10x on 1p-lsd 7 days ago.
I've been using salvia more often this week,  smoking plain leaf and I tried my tincture yesterday...

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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: nooneman]
    #23521827 - 08/08/16 11:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I would describe it more as "disturbing." Existing as a couch or a conveyor belt or carpet or grass is a disturbing experience. The whole thing is just weird from start to finish.




I know this feeling. It happened to me a few times.
I learned from it how potentially all objects that exist could potentially have some sort of self-awareness, or what it would feel like from their point of view if they did have it.
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    #23521851 - 08/08/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Salvia is just too uncomfortable for me. I trip really really hard off of smoking it but it's not a pleasant trip like shrooms are. It always triggers an impulse to laugh my ass off but there's nothing funny about it. Good thing a smoked bowl only ever lasted 5 minutes for me.

To think that me and my friends actually had salvia smoking sessions back in the day... Bowl after bowl, it was nuts.

After so long without it, I think I am done with this plant. I'd like it if it was euphoric but it simply isn't.




Salvia trips are what I imagined psychedelics to be when I was a kid. Back in the days I didn't know that classic psychedelics are euphoric. I imagined trips to be wicked, cruel and uncontrollable - just like Salvia.


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I feel more of a nurturing green goddess presence mostly.




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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #23521902 - 08/08/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Salvia is certainly strange, I have met lady Salvia and been shown wonders, I have existed as an old Mexican grandfather, a soccer ball, a steel roof, and been completely torn in half by the zipper that separates all. I have also worked in a zipper factory for 5 bizarre minutes. These experiences are stamped onto my conciousness with such clarity and that is in itself frightening.

However, I would go back. It is an uncomparable experience and very worth the terror and pain. (Yes pain, Salvia always made me feel as if my nerves were ablaze.)


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    #23521936 - 08/08/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Salvia definitely has a mild sinister vibe. Especially when used orally. IMO


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: impaired420]
    #23521961 - 08/08/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I just extracted 3.5g plain leaf in 105proof alcohol 10mL and put a small capfull maybe 2mL total in my mouth for fifteen minutes and had a very pleasant evening.
Going to add more leaves to the same tincture in a week because it's still not as strong as I'd like but first impression of buccal administered salvia is a YES for me.

Although I still see myself smoking it as well.
Like someone else said. I'm not sure why I keep getting drawn back to this terrifying substance.




yes try 151 next time at least, 190 would be ideal. I made an entry in my journal about the home made tincture experience. I usually use 151 and about 10 grams of leaf/100-150 ml alcohol. I end up with probably around 100 ml of tincture which is quite strong. my usual dose would be around 10-20ml for about 10-15 minutes and i get a very nice trip for about 1-2 hours. I am actually quite amazed how fast it hits and how fast it deepens. AT the 10 minute mark I am definitely tripping getting close to peak. I think many people find salvia disturbing or creepy and straight up terrifying because they jump straight into a level 5-6 experience using all this extracts 40x 60x... now I'm not saying they don;t have their use but subligual is where it's at in my opinion. It leaves you actually some room to do some work on yourself rather than just blow you to pieces across the universe .... I am sure the reverse tolerance  is a factor in my experience...


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: impaired420]
    #23522041 - 08/08/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Although I will say that I adore salvia, it's the most obscure, hard to understand substance that I have taken yet.

It's very uncomfortable, moreso in body than in mind to me. It gives me this deep internal discomfort in my neck and upper back/shoulders. I've never taken it orally, but when I smoke it, it makes me feel like what I'd imagine going mad feels like. Not to mention, afterwards, I feel like I just crawled out of the insane asylum, eyes wide and hair tangled and on end.

The most peculiar thing about it in my opinion is how it distorts sound. While it's hard to pull up memories of the salvia trip, I have recalled every time how it makes it seem as though sound is all occurring simultaneously even after one has stopped, and every new sound introduced produces a sensation of a constant ringing afterwards that melds together with the rest of the sounds I hear until I finally come to.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: MythObscuro]
    #23522166 - 08/08/16 02:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oh yes while on salvia one has the most primordial responses to sound and music imho. You reach a very peculiar state where everything becomes one unified field, where music/sound/body/mind fuse together into a single stream flowing. It's really hard to explain salvia states to somebody that was never there. Like somebody mentioned at some point that it was a "piano key" or a "post in a fence" it is really hard to explain. No doubt the Salvia effects are unique( from being and object to immaterial existence and everything in between) and some of the hardest heads can't stomach it's visions sometime. These experiences can be very disturbing to the unprepared explorer...


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: amonra]
    #23522208 - 08/08/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I used to chainsmoke Salvia extract a few years back. I also did a lot of quids while lying around in the backyard at night. Great substance, but it will kick your ass if you aren't careful, and it will kick it even if you're careful.


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    #23522295 - 08/08/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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    #23523431 - 08/08/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have only smoked the extract, and that was a long time ago, I didn't like the feeling it gave me, so never indulged in it again.

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    #23523742 - 08/09/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quid method is the way to go with this sacred plant. It is a great teacher and will give you the trip of your life if you do it right lol. I'm talking waking dream type visions :pipesmoke:

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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Rhizomorpheus]
    #23523858 - 08/09/16 01:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Quid method is the way to go with this sacred plant. It is a great teacher and will give you the trip of your life if you do it right lol. I'm talking waking dream type visions :pipesmoke:

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Interesting.

Obviously I could Google it,  however, I will ask.

Onset?
Length?

Mayhap an interesting tale of madness and mayhem related to your proofs of the marvelousness of this method of consumption?

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    #23523867 - 08/09/16 01:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Quid method is the way to go with this sacred plant. It is a great teacher and will give you the trip of your life if you do it right lol. I'm talking waking dream type visions :pipesmoke:

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Interesting.

Obviously I could Google it,  however, I will ask.

Onset?
Length?

Mayhap an interesting tale of madness and mayhem related to your proofs of the marvelousness of this method of consumption?

(Not to derail the thread, but my curiosity is peaked)




I concur. I don;t quid usually make my own tincture. but is the same experience. lasts considerably longer, around 1 hour and half. onset about 10-20 minutes depending on the dose and the strength. It has a lot to teach.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: amonra]
    #23524206 - 08/09/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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lasts considerably longer, around 1 hour and half. onset about 10-20 minutes depending on the dose and the strength. It has a lot to teach.





Oh wow, I had no idea it could last that long.  I have always been fascinated with Mexican shaman, this all started with reading about Maria Sabina, then from there reading about the healers of Mexico harvesting Salvia, cool stuff.  I think if I were to have leaves which were harvested properly, then it might be a different story. 

I have never had any adverse reactions to any plant when consumed properly, which for me means blessing before consumption, and the least amount of processing before use.  I feel like modern culture puts a bad feeling onto many sacred plants, and this corrupts their potential, this is why my experiences with Salvia extract were poor, because those extracts are made for one reason only, to get you as high as possible, as quickly as possible, which doesn't seem right to me.

The extract I had lasted 10-20 mins, with the first minutes being the strongest, and after that feeling like I took drugs which I didn't vibe well with, such a dirty feeling.  But I read on shroomery that the leaves are the way to go, and it's a whole different experience to have when compared to the extracts.  I think there's potential with Salvia, but I think it would be one of those plants where less of it, would be the proper dose, as apposed to taking large amounts at once, which is where people have bad experiences.

I never had a truly bad experience, just didn't like the way I felt, but I was with a kid who took a bong rip, held it in as long as possible, then upon exhaling starting to drool profusely, then have what can only be described as a mild seizure, which really freaked me out.  When he came too, he said it was a very humbling experience, understandably so.:wink:


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    #23524412 - 08/09/16 09:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

when used  in the form of quid is better to have fresh leaves, you could rehydrate dried leaves but I never tried it. I never had much success with the quid itself I don't know why, not chew enough not hold it long enough and so on but the tincture now that's different. It's really easy to make too. The experience although different, one must not forget that is still salvia and lasts considerably longer than the smoked experience. Tincture/quid is to Salvinorin what Ayahuasca is to Dmt. It is more gentle and more feminine but again depending on dose, I had some really powerful experiences with tincture only and it can deepen really fast. Also there is a whole reverse tolerance deal going on with this compound it seems. I also made an entry in my journal about the homemade tincture experience  you can check it out. In my opinion using it sublingually it is the way to go. Rarely I smoke it now and when I do it's usually plain leaf, again reverse tolerance might be a factor. Not to say that "the gods get angry" or anything like that if you smoke it but I find that when used sublingually I can actually absorb the lessons and actually have some room to do some work on myself.


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    #23524460 - 08/09/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Follow this mans advice above. Salvia quid is bomb and reverse tolerance is real. Salvia tincture is a thing I've only had twice and the second time trying it I was blitzeddd! I visualized the matrix code going down my white board while. I was practicing converting binary and had a bunch of lines set to convert already written, my brain interpreted the writing in such a crazy way


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    #23524762 - 08/09/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I only started to use it sublingually fairly recent starting this year because honestly i never thought that would make much of a difference in the experience itself or it would only produce mild threshold effects. After much trial and error and reading about it i discovered the simples way to do it LOL grain alcohol extraction/tincture. Haven't looked back since. I believe all these teachers speak and salvia speaks beautifully to those who listen. I can only compare it to the goddess Kali the supreme Mother. Nurturing,loving and also destructive, because of course like Alan Watts noted at some point " it is by destruction that life is continuously renewed" . I can see now after the sublingual experience why they believe to be the manifestation/incarnation of Mary. I believe the whole marketing of salvia is out of control and will lead only to more and more legislation and bans. There is absolutely no need for 40-60-100x; might as well vaporize the pure compound then. Not to knock this off or put it down I am sure it has its purpose pros and cons. On the other hand if one has the patience to actually work with salvia and get "accepted" by the green Goddess in other words build that reverse tolerance and use it sublingually in a shamanic way it will be rewarded I dare say it like no extract will. Salvia is really like no other psychedelic and the shamanic way of using it is the way to go, imho...


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: amonra]
    #23524800 - 08/09/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

How to build a reverse tolerance then?

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Quid method is the way to go with this sacred plant. It is a great teacher and will give you the trip of your life if you do it right lol. I'm talking waking dream type visions :pipesmoke:

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Ages ago, before I even tried salvia, I have read such trip reports and I expected it to give mainly such visionary trips. I never experienced such with amoked extracts nor leaf. I want to try different methods now. I also tried tincture in the past but it was bunk. It said dose a few drops. We dosed the whole vial between two of us and only felt some sedation etc.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: amonra]
    #23524851 - 08/09/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah, I only started to use it sublingually fairly recent starting this year because honestly i never thought that would make much of a difference in the experience itself or it would only produce mild threshold effects. After much trial and error and reading about it i discovered the simples way to do it LOL grain alcohol extraction/tincture. Haven't looked back since. I believe all these teachers speak and salvia speaks beautifully to those who listen. I can only compare it to the goddess Kali the supreme Mother. Nurturing,loving and also destructive, because of course like Alan Watts noted at some point " it is by destruction that life is continuously renewed" . I can see now after the sublingual experience why they believe to be the manifestation/incarnation of Mary. I believe the whole marketing of salvia is out of control and will lead only to more and more legislation and bans. There is absolutely no need for 40-60-100x; might as well vaporize the pure compound then. Not to knock this off or put it down I am sure it has its purpose pros and cons. On the other hand if one has the patience to actually work with salvia and get "accepted" by the green Goddess in other words build that reverse tolerance and use it sublingually in a shamanic way it will be rewarded I dare say it like no extract will. Salvia is really like no other psychedelic and the shamanic way of using it is the way to go, imho...



Awesome im glad you jumped on board. Sublingual is the best method in general for this one dude agrees with you brother. Stuff is more potent and vivid then deems at times. I believe the smokable way is a little disrespectful to the plant. The spirits show this through countless negative experiences in the realm for a vast majority of people who smoke it. The dude has never taken it in tincture form but may try sometime he said. Intention plays a big part as well. I mean if u sit down and say to yourself "I'm going to get really fucked up from this" then smoke a huge bowl of 20x out of a water pipe lol. You are bound to be bitch slapped and told what's up but you won't understand it. Anything above 20x becomes a waste as dosage becomes hard to gauge and most of the time results in black outs... who wants that? If you can acquire fresh or dried raw material  get it in my friend. With dried leaves soak in a bowl of water. Roll up a small ball with the first leaf and carfullly wrap with more soaked leaves forming a large compact ball big enough for the dose but small enough  to fit in your mouth. Then toss the thing in your side cheek like a squirrel in bliss. Lay down someplace dark. Listen to music or don't it does not really matter. You will be given the key to a dream. It's amazing as these entities dude has encountered seem to sync and re occur almost every trip with the same theme and biengs... Being idk yet. The only thing that seems to change is the dialogue or experience he takes from it.  Stuff really is like a vivid dream happening in real time at moments. This is the place the dream warrior came from. Makes me wonder what the hell is happening with the kappa opioid receptors at this time maybe he fell asleep idk. But this plant will take you deeper then deep...... had some killer esp type phenomenon with group ceremonies... it's out there folkS
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    #23524896 - 08/09/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

well, Dr. Delban reverse tolerance builds itself as you go. I have no experience with already made tincture. I make my own and I grow my own, I know I'm weird like that :P . the way I make it about 20 ml dose held for about 10 -15 minutes is strong enough for a level 2-3 trip . a few drops seem way too little regardless how strong the tincture is. I mean the amount of Salvinorin A that 1ml of alcohol can hold is limited. can't remember the exact numbers now but I don't think a few drops will do it regardless :wink:  then again maybe was bunk, IDK.

Yes, I think many people have terrifying experiences because their first time stuff a bowl of 20-40-60x like it's weed they jump straight into a level 6 experience... you can see them clowns on Youtube they have no idea what are they getting themselves into and for the unprepared explorer it can be a straight up terrifying experience. I know, this crazy idea to measure the dose....but hey whatever floats your boat...


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    #23524917 - 08/09/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah, I only started to use it sublingually fairly recent starting this year because honestly i never thought that would make much of a difference in the experience itself or it would only produce mild threshold effects. After much trial and error and reading about it i discovered the simples way to do it LOL grain alcohol extraction/tincture. Haven't looked back since. I believe all these teachers speak and salvia speaks beautifully to those who listen. I can only compare it to the goddess Kali the supreme Mother. Nurturing,loving and also destructive, because of course like Alan Watts noted at some point " it is by destruction that life is continuously renewed" . I can see now after the sublingual experience why they believe to be the manifestation/incarnation of Mary. I believe the whole marketing of salvia is out of control and will lead only to more and more legislation and bans. There is absolutely no need for 40-60-100x; might as well vaporize the pure compound then. Not to knock this off or put it down I am sure it has its purpose pros and cons. On the other hand if one has the patience to actually work with salvia and get "accepted" by the green Goddess in other words build that reverse tolerance and use it sublingually in a shamanic way it will be rewarded I dare say it like no extract will. Salvia is really like no other psychedelic and the shamanic way of using it is the way to go, imho...



Awesome im glad you jumped on board. Sublingual is the best method in general for this one dude agrees with you brother. Stuff is more potent and vivid then deems at times. I believe the smokable way is a little disrespectful to the plant. The spirits show this through countless negative experiences in the realm for a vast majority of people who smoke it. The dude has never taken it in tincture form but may try sometime he said. Intention plays a big part as well. I mean if u sit down and say to yourself "I'm going to get really fucked up from this" then smoke a huge bowl of 20x out of a water pipe lol. You are bound to be bitch slapped and told what's up but you won't understand it. Anything above 20x becomes a waste as dosage becomes hard to gauge and most of the time results in black outs... who wants that? If you can acquire fresh or dried raw material  get it in my friend. With dried leaves soak in a bowl of water. Roll up a small ball with the first leaf and carfullly wrap with more soaked leaves forming a large compact ball big enough for the dose but small enough  to fit in your mouth. Then toss the thing in your side cheek like a squirrel in bliss. Lay down someplace dark. Listen to music or don't it does not really matter. You will be given the key to a dream. It's amazing as these entities dude has encountered seem to sync and re occur almost every trip with the same theme and biengs... Being idk yet. The only thing that seems to change is the dialogue or experience he takes from it.  Stuff really is like a vivid dream happening in real time at moments. This is the place the dream warrior came from. Makes me wonder what the hell is happening with the kappa opioid receptors at this time maybe he fell asleep idk. But this plant will take you deeper then deep...... had some killer esp type phenomenon with group ceremonies... it's out there folkS
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #23524946 - 08/09/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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How to build a reverse tolerance then?

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Quid method is the way to go with this sacred plant. It is a great teacher and will give you the trip of your life if you do it right lol. I'm talking waking dream type visions :pipesmoke:

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Ages ago, before I even tried salvia, I have read such trip reports and I expected it to give mainly such visionary trips. I never experienced such with amoked extracts nor leaf. I want to try different methods now. I also tried tincture in the past but it was bunk. It said dose a few drops. We dosed the whole vial between two of us and only felt some sedation etc.



The reverser tolerance comes with the experimentation of it. Everyone's body chemistry will be different making it your quest to figure things out.  The dude is a firm believer that you find the plants and herbs in nature that work well for you. Many different cultures have different sacred plants for them based off of demographic location. In my opinion it is safe to assume these plants also pick the shamans that use them. He seems to have that experience I guess lol. Maybe you like oranges maybe you like apples you decide through relation and experience. Mirrors of mirrors if I may. As for your experience with the tincture and extracts...the dude has met some people that just plain don't get off on it. Idk what that could be from... maybe receptor damage he could not tell you because the factors are widespread. But don't give up until you know it does not work for you. Ska Maria Pastora has so much to teach you.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: amonra]
    #23524961 - 08/09/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah, I only started to use it sublingually fairly recent starting this year because honestly i never thought that would make much of a difference in the experience itself or it would only produce mild threshold effects. After much trial and error and reading about it i discovered the simples way to do it LOL grain alcohol extraction/tincture. Haven't looked back since. I believe all these teachers speak and salvia speaks beautifully to those who listen. I can only compare it to the goddess Kali the supreme Mother. Nurturing,loving and also destructive, because of course like Alan Watts noted at some point " it is by destruction that life is continuously renewed" . I can see now after the sublingual experience why they believe to be the manifestation/incarnation of Mary. I believe the whole marketing of salvia is out of control and will lead only to more and more legislation and bans. There is absolutely no need for 40-60-100x; might as well vaporize the pure compound then. Not to knock this off or put it down I am sure it has its purpose pros and cons. On the other hand if one has the patience to actually work with salvia and get "accepted" by the green Goddess in other words build that reverse tolerance and use it sublingually in a shamanic way it will be rewarded I dare say it like no extract will. Salvia is really like no other psychedelic and the shamanic way of using it is the way to go, imho...



Awesome im glad you jumped on board. Sublingual is the best method in general for this one dude agrees with you brother. Stuff is more potent and vivid then deems at times. I believe the smokable way is a little disrespectful to the plant. The spirits show this through countless negative experiences in the realm for a vast majority of people who smoke it. The dude has never taken it in tincture form but may try sometime he said. Intention plays a big part as well. I mean if u sit down and say to yourself "I'm going to get really fucked up from this" then smoke a huge bowl of 20x out of a water pipe lol. You are bound to be bitch slapped and told what's up but you won't understand it. Anything above 20x becomes a waste as dosage becomes hard to gauge and most of the time results in black outs... who wants that? If you can acquire fresh or dried raw material  get it in my friend. With dried leaves soak in a bowl of water. Roll up a small ball with the first leaf and carfullly wrap with more soaked leaves forming a large compact ball big enough for the dose but small enough  to fit in your mouth. Then toss the thing in your side cheek like a squirrel in bliss. Lay down someplace dark. Listen to music or don't it does not really matter. You will be given the key to a dream. It's amazing as these entities dude has encountered seem to sync and re occur almost every trip with the same theme and biengs... Being idk yet. The only thing that seems to change is the dialogue or experience he takes from it.  Stuff really is like a vivid dream happening in real time at moments. This is the place the dream warrior came from. Makes me wonder what the hell is happening with the kappa opioid receptors at this time maybe he fell asleep idk. But this plant will take you deeper then deep...... had some killer esp type phenomenon with group ceremonies... it's out there folkS
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The dude should give the tincture a try. The dude won't be disappointed. For those interested I have a journal entry about my own tincture experience and how I make it : https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23452802




The dude will be trying this as soon as he can aquire more raw leaves. He has some 190 proof triple distilled moonshine a friend brought from Kentucky. Should do well as he has used it for other herbs and things amongst him. He is going to check your forum piece for the recipe. Always looking for new and exciting life experiences my friend :heart: ThankS


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Rhizomorpheus]
    #23525103 - 08/09/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That 190 moonshine will work great!!! :cool: You might need to mix it with more water in this case before dosing as it burns your mouth pretty bad when held for 10 minutes or more. I usually mix the 151 tincture with equal part water, a 1:1 ratio and even like that it burns a bit. the 190 moonshine might need maybe a 1:2 ratio . last tincture came out quite strong 15 ml+20 ml water for a nice lvl 3 experience. Well, I mean you already know it seems the effects of the quid, the only advantage of the tincture is that you don't have to chew a mouthful of leaves and also the unholy bitter taste is not noticeable and of course the ability to take stronger doses depending on how strong your tincture is. It takes some trial and error to find your dose. I have read reports of some people not getting anything out of Salvia unless they use high extracts, I don't know it could be many factors at play here from reverse tolerance to poorly chewing technique :confused: definitely the oral use of Salvia takes a little patience and dedication but even extracts after all Salvia is not even supposed to be a feel good drug, it's a tool for self exploration. You (not you personally)  wouldn't ask about a hammer if "anyone feels there is something creepy about it" would you? :confused: In other words "The only Zen you will find on top of mountains is the Zen you bring with you" ...so if there is something creepy about it then there must be something creepy about your Zen as well :grin:


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23525122 - 08/09/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Anyone else end up with INTENSE deja vu after salvia? Every time I would use salvia, I would have super intense deja vu all the time for a couple of months before the effect would gradually taper off.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: nooneman]
    #23525228 - 08/09/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This dude thinks that all these teachers stay with you for a long time after the experience and they whisper to those who listen... :wink:


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: amonra]
    #23525267 - 08/09/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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This dude thinks that all these teachers stay with you for a long time after the experience and they whisper to those who listen... :wink:




Who is "this dude" of yours?

I have smoked leaves and extracts so many times, and never noticed any reverse tolerance. Maybe it builds up more after oral method?
How about smoking leaves or extract during a quidding/tincture trip?

When it comes to alcohol extraction, I recommend 70% concentration. I found that legal plant extracts (e.g. valerian root) are made using 70% ethanol.
I tried this with mescaline extraction and it gave me best results to date. Previously I have experimented with stronger alcohol concentrations and the results were less satisfying.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: amonra]
    #23525284 - 08/09/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I just extracted 3.5g plain leaf in 105proof alcohol 10mL and put a small capfull maybe 2mL total in my mouth for fifteen minutes and had a very pleasant evening.
Going to add more leaves to the same tincture in a week because it's still not as strong as I'd like but first impression of buccal administered salvia is a YES for me.

Although I still see myself smoking it as well.
Like someone else said. I'm not sure why I keep getting drawn back to this terrifying substance.




yes try 151 next time at least, 190 would be ideal. I made an entry in my journal about the home made tincture experience. I usually use 151 and about 10 grams of leaf/100-150 ml alcohol. I end up with probably around 100 ml of tincture which is quite strong. my usual dose would be around 10-20ml for about 10-15 minutes and i get a very nice trip for about 1-2 hours. I am actually quite amazed how fast it hits and how fast it deepens. AT the 10 minute mark I am definitely tripping getting close to peak. I think many people find salvia disturbing or creepy and straight up terrifying because they jump straight into a level 5-6 experience using all this extracts 40x 60x... now I'm not saying they don;t have their use but subligual is where it's at in my opinion. It leaves you actually some room to do some work on yourself rather than just blow you to pieces across the universe .... I am sure the reverse tolerance  is a factor in my experience...




Thanks for the reply, the highest proof I can get is 105% corn whiskey what liqoir do you use that is 151? Sorry I'm not an alcohol drinker usually so I was pretty lost in the store and didn't want to ask anyone lmao.

I also agree about that , I've never been in the upper levels of salviaspace but I do not feel that is the purpose of this teacher. I have extremely beneficial effects at 10x extract and even with plain leaf even, I believe there's a reason it's dysphoric to smoke a 60x+ extract it shouldn't be done lol.
The maztec shamans said that smoking the plant is considered disrespectful, they would use the plant buccally themselves, it was the first entheogen the apprenticing shamans would be exposed to.

Don't overdose on salvia, a little goes a loooonnggg way, I mean it is active in MCG ranges just as LSD so yeah.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: impaired420]
    #23525326 - 08/09/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I agree with everyone here that quids are the way to go if you want a trip that is more than just a 4 minutes mindfuck.

The best way to do it is grow a plant or two at home and just harvest the leaves once in a while. They grow really fast, one plant gave me enough leaves to trip pretty much daily, and since salvinorin A doesn't induce tolerance, it is really up to you how often you want to trip.

With quids the trips are much slower, nicer, and will easily last 1-2h. Entity contact is less "brutal". You have more time to get used to the salvia headspace, things aren't as intense, though they very well can be if you overshoot your dose.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: impaired420]
    #23525365 - 08/09/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Impared420 you can use Bacardi 151. I have used it before and works great. you can find anywhere almost, here is even at grocery stores but a liquor store should definitely have it. Or you could order some everclear 151 or 190. I also find that anything below 75% ( 151 ) is not really worth the effort although not much effort is need it anyway to soak some leaves but you get my point. Indeed is active at mcg range. and just one gram of plain leaf can contain as much as 2.5 mg of Salvinorin A. so yeah my point exactly...  Reverse tolerance is definitely a real factor otherwise we wouldn't have people breakthrough smoking plain leaf or chewing a few leaves, and yet it happens.Now I am not saying that there is such a huge reverse tolerance that one leaf will send you where a 60x would I mean this process has its limits I'm sure but then again if all you smoke is extract and strong extract the only way of knowing if you have a reverse tolerance would be to try half the dose. I mean if you don't really measure the dose how do you know? you might be surprised that it takes much less to breakthrough. Again how regularly are you smoking it? you can smoke it for years if you do it once every other month I don;t think it builds up. I am not an expert in pharmaceuticals and stuff I can only speak from my experience.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: amonra]
    #23525452 - 08/09/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Have you tried better pyschedelics like DMT or mushrooms?
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: mushpunx]
    #23525515 - 08/09/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This dude had tried a lot even the ones in your signature pics and while they do take the crown (so he says) they are not "better" in any way, no more than potatoes are better than apples . That's his opinion , what do I know... :tongue2: now if you want to eat apples obviously that apples will be better than potatoes in giving you what you are looking for... great!...I'm confused now :tongue2::confused::tongue2:


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: amonra]
    #23525703 - 08/09/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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This dude had tried a lot even the ones in your signature pics and while they do take the crown (so he says) they are not "better" in any way, no more than potatoes are better than apples . That's his opinion , what do I know... :tongue2: now if you want to eat apples obviously that apples will be better than potatoes in giving you what you are looking for... great!...I'm confused now :tongue2::confused::tongue2:





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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: amonra]
    #23525713 - 08/09/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Have you tried better pyschedelics like DMT or mushrooms?
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This dude had tried a lot even the ones in your signature pics and while they do take the crown (so he says) they are not "better" in any way, no more than potatoes are better than apples . That's his opinion , what do I know... :tongue2: now if you want to eat apples obviously that apples will be better than potatoes in giving you what you are looking for... great!...I'm confused now :tongue2::confused::tongue2:




That makes him truffle shuffle saying its not as strong lol. He told me Sally D can produce visions more vivid then some he has ever experienced idk maybe that's just him. The dude is a member of The Peyote Way Church of God and has done tons of cactus and HCL mescalito. He has also done a lot of Ayahuasca as well freebase formula. Legit ass L the silver is flowing through me lol. All made from love and it's gravy train. The dude is justs saying its some potent ass shit lol. Amenra just relax in it all because you have a key. :bb:


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: amonra]
    #23533491 - 08/12/16 01:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Impared420 you can use Bacardi 151. I have used it before and works great. you can find anywhere almost, here is even at grocery stores but a liquor store should definitely have it. Or you could order some everclear 151 or 190. I also find that anything below 75% ( 151 ) is not really worth the effort although not much effort is need it anyway to soak some leaves but you get my point. Indeed is active at mcg range. and just one gram of plain leaf can contain as much as 2.5 mg of Salvinorin A. so yeah my point exactly...  Reverse tolerance is definitely a real factor otherwise we wouldn't have people breakthrough smoking plain leaf or chewing a few leaves, and yet it happens.Now I am not saying that there is such a huge reverse tolerance that one leaf will send you where a 60x would I mean this process has its limits I'm sure but then again if all you smoke is extract and strong extract the only way of knowing if you have a reverse tolerance would be to try half the dose. I mean if you don't really measure the dose how do you know? you might be surprised that it takes much less to breakthrough. Again how regularly are you smoking it? you can smoke it for years if you do it once every other month I don;t think it builds up. I am not an expert in pharmaceuticals and stuff I can only speak from my experience.




I broke through and tripped pretty hard on my first ever experience of salvia, and that was with smoking plain leaf. That may be due to natural tolerance, I am not sure. I tend to have a pretty low tolerance with most drugs. Mostly I think though that people smoke it wrong. Just use a small bong/bubbler with a bic lighter and hold it in for 20-30 seconds. If you cough it before that nothing much will happen. I can hit ego death on two back to back bowls of plain leaf.

I will be experimenting thoroughly with quidding plain leaf quite soon here. May also try some of these tincture methods.

Regardless I find the idea that smoking the plant is disrespectful just isn't really true. I think that you just go deeper, much faster, and its harder for people to handle. Myself included. Bad vibes ensue, and this myth appears.

Again, haven't quidded to much effect yet. Just a small dose a few years ago. Perhaps I will change my mind, but I really think people smoke too much, even with plain leaf. And it leads to this idea.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: d0urd3n]
    #23539694 - 08/14/16 02:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

same here plain leaf does it. although when I first discovered Salvia was a 5x. In time I gave up extracts looking for a experience that I can integrate and assimilate better. After I got my first plant I start using plain leaf and now more recently the tincture I make. Although I enjoy smoking plain leaf ( more recently I like mixing chamomile with salvia in a joint - I call it a "salvomile" lol - anyway it's wonderful - very relaxing very meditative, no tripping whatsoever just a very relaxing smoke )  I have to say though sublingually for me is the best experience with Salvia. And no I don't believe that gods get angry if you smoke the plant, I agree.


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: amonra]
    #23539735 - 08/14/16 02:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I can't remember the name of the book, but I remember reading that when Shaman were told that people were making potent extracts of Salvia and smoking it instead of the traditional quid, they were horrified.

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    #23539781 - 08/14/16 03:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Salvia was one of the greatest psychedelic hallucinogens known to man.

I cant get it anymore but would use it in a heartbeat.  Quids and straight smoked leaf is what I would do if I had a bunch of plants.

I don't even need for it to be extracted in any way to fully embrace this plant.  It is so strong.

You have not used mushrooms till you put a quid of that in your face.  Stuff is not of this world and you can bet damn well that it is weird.


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    #23539786 - 08/14/16 03:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I like how disassociative it is.  Extracts really are the best, but you can sure fit a lot of salvia in your mouth on mushrooms.  It is divine.


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    #23539787 - 08/14/16 03:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Anyone else have a hard time sleeping the night after there first salvia trip?


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    #23539805 - 08/14/16 04:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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    #23539971 - 08/14/16 07:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Anyone else have a hard time sleeping the night after there first salvia trip?




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    #23540693 - 08/14/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Salvia was one of the greatest psychedelic hallucinogens known to man.

I cant get it anymore but would use it in a heartbeat.  Quids and straight smoked leaf is what I would do if I had a bunch of plants.

I don't even need for it to be extracted in any way to fully embrace this plant.  It is so strong.

You have not used mushrooms till you put a quid of that in your face.  Stuff is not of this world and you can bet damn well that it is weird.



The dude agrees with you (= he used to live in AZ but has since moved somewhere they outlawed it. So only when I go back home do I get it unfortunately. But it is not of this world for damn sure:rocket:
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
    #23541253 - 08/14/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I've seen exactly the opposite, where the trip was so intense and exhausting for the newfound traveler, that within 15 minutes of returning to reality they were out cold. Couldn't even wake them up...
I personally am fueled by these sorts of journeys but to many it is equally exhausting!


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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: nitelife]
    #23541973 - 08/14/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

For me, as a former casual salvia user, it had always seemed to me that "oh my god, I can't believe I entered this world again", as most of the times it was not that enjoyable... Even tough sometimes, but I think that the lessons that you get from it more than worth the visit to SallyLand.
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23542681 - 08/15/16 12:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I agree with nitelife, it can be exhausting and overwhelming . I still believe many people overshoot their dose especially first time travelers and that can very easily be one of the reasons although Slavia it is very weird and like no other compound so yeah...Even myself after all this time I still get the creeps sometimes and its visions can be overwhelming to the point that some of the most hardcore travelers have a hard time stomach it... But then again I like a lot a quote from mckenna and I think it speaks for most psychedelics in general and Salvia is no exception : "Anyone can sweep up around the ashram for a dozen years while congratulating themselves that they are following a path to enlightenment. It takes courage to take psychedelics - real courage. Your stomach clenches, your palms grow damp, because you realize that this is real - this is going to work. Not in 12 years, not in 20 years, but in an hour!"  If you want to see the truth


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