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d0urd3n
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: amonra]
#23533491 - 08/12/16 01:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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amonra said: Impared420 you can use Bacardi 151. I have used it before and works great. you can find anywhere almost, here is even at grocery stores but a liquor store should definitely have it. Or you could order some everclear 151 or 190. I also find that anything below 75% ( 151 ) is not really worth the effort although not much effort is need it anyway to soak some leaves but you get my point. Indeed is active at mcg range. and just one gram of plain leaf can contain as much as 2.5 mg of Salvinorin A. so yeah my point exactly... Reverse tolerance is definitely a real factor otherwise we wouldn't have people breakthrough smoking plain leaf or chewing a few leaves, and yet it happens.Now I am not saying that there is such a huge reverse tolerance that one leaf will send you where a 60x would I mean this process has its limits I'm sure but then again if all you smoke is extract and strong extract the only way of knowing if you have a reverse tolerance would be to try half the dose. I mean if you don't really measure the dose how do you know? you might be surprised that it takes much less to breakthrough. Again how regularly are you smoking it? you can smoke it for years if you do it once every other month I don;t think it builds up. I am not an expert in pharmaceuticals and stuff I can only speak from my experience.
I broke through and tripped pretty hard on my first ever experience of salvia, and that was with smoking plain leaf. That may be due to natural tolerance, I am not sure. I tend to have a pretty low tolerance with most drugs. Mostly I think though that people smoke it wrong. Just use a small bong/bubbler with a bic lighter and hold it in for 20-30 seconds. If you cough it before that nothing much will happen. I can hit ego death on two back to back bowls of plain leaf.
I will be experimenting thoroughly with quidding plain leaf quite soon here. May also try some of these tincture methods.
Regardless I find the idea that smoking the plant is disrespectful just isn't really true. I think that you just go deeper, much faster, and its harder for people to handle. Myself included. Bad vibes ensue, and this myth appears.
Again, haven't quidded to much effect yet. Just a small dose a few years ago. Perhaps I will change my mind, but I really think people smoke too much, even with plain leaf. And it leads to this idea.
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: d0urd3n]
#23539694 - 08/14/16 02:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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same here plain leaf does it. although when I first discovered Salvia was a 5x. In time I gave up extracts looking for a experience that I can integrate and assimilate better. After I got my first plant I start using plain leaf and now more recently the tincture I make. Although I enjoy smoking plain leaf ( more recently I like mixing chamomile with salvia in a joint - I call it a "salvomile" lol - anyway it's wonderful - very relaxing very meditative, no tripping whatsoever just a very relaxing smoke ) I have to say though sublingually for me is the best experience with Salvia. And no I don't believe that gods get angry if you smoke the plant, I agree.
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jsncrs
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: amonra]
#23539735 - 08/14/16 02:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I can't remember the name of the book, but I remember reading that when Shaman were told that people were making potent extracts of Salvia and smoking it instead of the traditional quid, they were horrified.
I've often wondered if the horrific trips are the Salvia spirits way of saying "Fuck You".
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: jsncrs]
#23539781 - 08/14/16 03:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Salvia was one of the greatest psychedelic hallucinogens known to man.
I cant get it anymore but would use it in a heartbeat. Quids and straight smoked leaf is what I would do if I had a bunch of plants.
I don't even need for it to be extracted in any way to fully embrace this plant. It is so strong.
You have not used mushrooms till you put a quid of that in your face. Stuff is not of this world and you can bet damn well that it is weird.
Edited by Dochead (08/14/16 03:44 AM)
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Dochead]
#23539786 - 08/14/16 03:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I like how disassociative it is. Extracts really are the best, but you can sure fit a lot of salvia in your mouth on mushrooms. It is divine.
Edited by Dochead (08/14/16 03:48 AM)
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Dochead]
#23539787 - 08/14/16 03:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anyone else have a hard time sleeping the night after there first salvia trip?
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Dochead
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
#23539805 - 08/14/16 04:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I do. It fucks up all my shit.
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
#23539971 - 08/14/16 07:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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ShadeOfDeepPurple said: Anyone else have a hard time sleeping the night after there first salvia trip?
My first couple of days experimenting where pretty sleepless.
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Dochead]
#23540693 - 08/14/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dochead said: Salvia was one of the greatest psychedelic hallucinogens known to man.
I cant get it anymore but would use it in a heartbeat. Quids and straight smoked leaf is what I would do if I had a bunch of plants.
I don't even need for it to be extracted in any way to fully embrace this plant. It is so strong.
You have not used mushrooms till you put a quid of that in your face. Stuff is not of this world and you can bet damn well that it is weird.
The dude agrees with you (= he used to live in AZ but has since moved somewhere they outlawed it. So only when I go back home do I get it unfortunately. But it is not of this world for damn sure
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nitelife
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
#23541253 - 08/14/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've seen exactly the opposite, where the trip was so intense and exhausting for the newfound traveler, that within 15 minutes of returning to reality they were out cold. Couldn't even wake them up... I personally am fueled by these sorts of journeys but to many it is equally exhausting!
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: nitelife]
#23541973 - 08/14/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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For me, as a former casual salvia user, it had always seemed to me that "oh my god, I can't believe I entered this world again", as most of the times it was not that enjoyable... Even tough sometimes, but I think that the lessons that you get from it more than worth the visit to SallyLand. One of the most profound places you can ever go in a heartbeat and come back at the same instant.
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: psilosalvia]
#23542681 - 08/15/16 12:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree with nitelife, it can be exhausting and overwhelming . I still believe many people overshoot their dose especially first time travelers and that can very easily be one of the reasons although Slavia it is very weird and like no other compound so yeah...Even myself after all this time I still get the creeps sometimes and its visions can be overwhelming to the point that some of the most hardcore travelers have a hard time stomach it... But then again I like a lot a quote from mckenna and I think it speaks for most psychedelics in general and Salvia is no exception : "Anyone can sweep up around the ashram for a dozen years while congratulating themselves that they are following a path to enlightenment. It takes courage to take psychedelics - real courage. Your stomach clenches, your palms grow damp, because you realize that this is real - this is going to work. Not in 12 years, not in 20 years, but in an hour!" If you want to see the truth
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