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Peyote Road
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Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia?
#23474169 - 07/25/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I really want to go deeper with salvia as it seems to be offering me some of the deepest lessons of any plant but there is also something I dont like about it. I find it a little creepy to be honest.
The revelations i get from salvia are heavy and extreme and each trip seems to change me a lot. Has anyone gone all the way with salvia (I mean using it a lot over a long period to really absorb its lessons) and where did it lead?
I feel like salvia takes me within/destroys my ego is a deeper, cleaner way than any other substance. Entire ego structures that survived years of tripping on regular psychedelics seem to get blown off in seconds when I smoke salvia extracts. It also seems to offer a degree of safety though, like for instance I find taking enough amanita muscaria to deconstruct my ego to be dangerous, there is a risk of bodily symptoms and bad trips that are hard to put myself back together from. Salvia seems to take me very far out but also return me rather quickly and safely.
Should I go ahead and allow it to transform me?
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Edited by Peyote Road (07/25/16 12:30 AM)
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Peyote Road]
#23474556 - 07/25/16 06:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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That choices yours. Salvia scares the crap out of me. I feel that same creepiness. I've only tried it twice, once when I was 15 and once last year at 21. First time I was blasted into this very structured machinery that felt like an inter-dimensional place, a transitionary collective of everything. Being forced down I to the tracks of it, which flooded all knowledge into my being once I connected in. Second time all those years later, I was able to unfold from this reality into that exact same red fleshy dimension. I passionately was yelling into it like, "Why?! Why does this fucking place exist ?! Why is our life like that, and this like this?!" I got no answers, but fuck, I went to the same exact real tangible place, 6 years later. One day I'll feel called to return. Despite the fear, I am immensely curious.
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Bomb Diggity]
#23474576 - 07/25/16 06:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's funny you mentioned this, Mike4aco and I were having a conversation about Salvia last night; I told him I tried it back in 2008 and couldn't help but feel there was something dark about this substance. Since 2008, I've had a lot more experiences with psychedelics and feel like I wouldn't mind giving it another shot to see how I feel about it these days. It's just no longer accessible at local shops now, like it was back in 2008.
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: SyzygisticSoul]
#23474592 - 07/25/16 06:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I find salvia very aggressive. Its basically like dragging you behind a speeding car rather than pushing you along through the trip and that feeling of wonder or excitement like DMT can give you. I totally lost my ego and who i was to the point thati thought i was some sort of demigod and knew the answer to the ending of theworld and was holding the whole project in my hands (it was a pillow in reality but i thought it was blueprints ) hahaha
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: SonicTitan]
#23474608 - 07/25/16 06:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I lmao reading that. I remember when I tried it, I was on my senior trip and a buddy had some. I hit it twice and remember feeling like a dark/creepy shadow/presence came over me, then I felt half of my face start to melting off downwards while the other side of my face felt like it was freezing upwards; giving me the sensation that my face was in the shape of a ying yang sign lol if that makes any sense.
Edited by SyzygisticSoul (07/25/16 07:06 AM)
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Peyote Road]
#23474612 - 07/25/16 07:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You're right, salvia is very blunt. You're feeling 'the fear' though, and that can come from lots of things. My first salvia trip, which was my first trip, was complete ego death. Upon exiting the experience I had no recollection of who I was, where I was, who these people were, what my life is and has been. It was frightening and despite bein on the verge of an anxiety attack I simply went and breathed some fresh air on the balcony. When you wipe the slate clean, it makes it easier to evaluate and compare that life to the one you're used to. In that sense I/you are granted a greater understanding of your desires in life. After that I dropped the opiates, the mdma and meth, all the shit drugs along with my shit friends, started searching for shrooms and the rest is history. Luckily the shrooms just compounded all my found desires and my life changed for the better.
Edited by larry.fisherman (07/25/16 07:06 AM)
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: larry.fisherman]
#23475120 - 07/25/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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To anyone that gets mostly creepy fear and malvoleance from Salvia, I suggest you start with plain leaf instead of extracts, and go into it with a really positive calm attitude.
After building up some reverse tolerance I can get really intense breakthrough experiences from just a tiny amount of plainleaf now... I get more of a "jokester" cartoony vibe instead that scary dystopia, and I feel more of a nurturing green goddess presence mostly. However, I still get serious loss of reality, visiting totally other realms, or being torn across the middle with part of me in this realm and part of me in another. I get total amnesia about ever being a personality, a human, ever having a name, it is profound ego/memory loss almost every time.
Plus, if you keep it really lite, there is a definite anti-depressant effect that kicks in very quickly and lasts for days or even a week or more.
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: gornyhuy]
#23499076 - 08/01/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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gornyhuy said: To anyone that gets mostly creepy fear and malvoleance from Salvia, I suggest you start with plain leaf instead of extracts, and go into it with a really positive calm attitude.
After building up some reverse tolerance I can get really intense breakthrough experiences from just a tiny amount of plainleaf now... I get more of a "jokester" cartoony vibe instead that scary dystopia, and I feel more of a nurturing green goddess presence mostly. However, I still get serious loss of reality, visiting totally other realms, or being torn across the middle with part of me in this realm and part of me in another. I get total amnesia about ever being a personality, a human, ever having a name, it is profound ego/memory loss almost every time.
Plus, if you keep it really lite, there is a definite anti-depressant effect that kicks in very quickly and lasts for days or even a week or more.
Can you please shed some more light on the reverse tolerance effect? I have smoked salvia many many times and I seem to have a pretty high tolerance to it. I'm trying to find a way around it. How long does this reverse tolerance last? I never noticed any in my experience.
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Dr. Delban]
#23499206 - 08/01/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I find it a little sinister and definitely forceful. It always feels like someone or something is playing a mean spirited practical joke on me. Not a fan.
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: afrogus]
#23499232 - 08/01/16 06:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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When I think about tripping, there's this little fear that I have. Like an inner voice telling me not to do it. It's warning me about the ugly side that I want to avoid. Salvia is all about that. It exploits the uncomfortable part of tripping. A disoriented feeling where you're losing control a little faster than you'd like. It's a shitty psychedelic, IMO.
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: afrogus]
#23499266 - 08/01/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I smoked Salvia so many times, I have lost count within first year of use. Yet still, every time I smoke an extract it feels like bungee jumping or sky diving. Main reason being, each trip is different and unpredictable. I can not predict what trip will I have if I smoke a strong extract.
During my latest trip on 60x I have met a rather COLD-vibed entity. But I will keep details to myself. This entity was testing me/giving me a lesson. I have learned, that I am immune to suggestions and, possibly, hypnosis. In the past I used to think that I have a weak personality. Now I can see my strength.
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Edited by Dr. Delban (08/01/16 06:13 PM)
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Dr. Delban]
#23499355 - 08/01/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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salvia is indeed a true powerhouse of cold blunt forced cosmic truth. With respect she will guide you, but don't for one second be caught off guard or you will regret it. Go into every journey with the idea that it won't be fun but it will show you some things no other substance has access to.
I recently smoked 10x extract on some 1pLSD and MY GOD WOW, I won't go into detail but I have a thread in the ODD sub forum.
Point is, salvia is the ultimate teacher, but as with the grandest of lessons, they do not come without sacrifice.
I even cultivate this bueatiful plant and have a decent relationship with this plant, I experimented with mushrooms 14+ times and LSD 3 times before even contemplating salvia so it helps when you know what you're getting into compared to the YouTube videos you see.
For anyone who wants a more subtle experience look into buccal ROAs, it's a whole different trip I've read.
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Universe] 1
#23499360 - 08/01/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Universe said: When I think about tripping, there's this little fear that I have. Like an inner voice telling me not to do it. It's warning me about the ugly side that I want to avoid. Salvia is all about that. It exploits the uncomfortable part of tripping. A disoriented feeling where you're losing control a little faster than you'd like. It's a shitty psychedelic, IMO.
That would be your ego lol. Salvia can be dysphoric for some people but that doesn't make it a "shitty" psychedelic.
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: impaired420]
#23500314 - 08/01/16 10:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wouldn't be completely creeped out by it. You can have a bad time on alot of psychedelics. I kind of feel you though, for some reason, I keep putting off doing it again. It's definitely not a plant that I have an urge to use again.
The last time I did it was off 100x extract awhile back. I mixed it with a little bit too big of a dose of 2ce (40mg), and 2-3 tenths of ketamine. I took a massive rip because the Ket allowed my lungs to do so. I held it in for a really long time. I remember blowing it out, and having a revelation about how time worked. I felt like I had figured it out, and my visuals slowed down a bunch and started "looping". Everybody else said I held the pipe for a second, then said "what's going on" and passed out for about 10 mins. I woke up remembering I had this amazing time revelation, but I couldn't remember what the revelation was. It felt as though something plucked it from my brain when I passed out.
This experience just keeps me extremely interested in the plant, and stands out in my mind. I wish I could find 100x extract still, I don't feel like smoking a bunch of plant material everyday. I just want to catapult into it again. All of my other experiences with it were just wierd, uncomfortable, and underwhelming.
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Universe] 1
#23500400 - 08/01/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Universe said: When I think about tripping, there's this little fear that I have. Like an inner voice telling me not to do it. It's warning me about the ugly side that I want to avoid. Salvia is all about that. It exploits the uncomfortable part of tripping. A disoriented feeling where you're losing control a little faster than you'd like. It's a shitty psychedelic, IMO.
I disagree that its a shitty psychedelic, I believe personally that all the natural plant entheogens are amazingly powerful gifts and if there is a problem, it is user error.
So to me, the fact that I find salvia so creepy indicates to me that on some level there is something salvia shows me that I am deathly afraid to look at.
I believe the only shitty psychedelics are (some) of the man made ones. I am not talking about LSD as that one's pretty good, because I've read some really scary stories about what some RCs have done to people.
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Edited by Peyote Road (08/01/16 11:39 PM)
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Peyote Road]
#23500484 - 08/02/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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yes its a creepy drug. a grey scale psychadelic as i like to it
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: rickjamez20] 1
#23512906 - 08/05/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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definitely a creepy psychedelic/dissociative...
even though I find it dysphoric, utterly bizarre and terrifying a lot of the time, there's something that keeps me going back.. I've done it over 100 times at different dosages and settings.
if you do it on another dissociative, usually the tail end of a 'hole'... it's fucking amazing, no dysphoria, anxiety, or confusion... I have found so much more from it doing it this way
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Peyote Road]
#23512937 - 08/05/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would describe it more as "disturbing." Existing as a couch or a conveyor belt or carpet or grass is a disturbing experience. The whole thing is just weird from start to finish.
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: LuSiD9]
#23512947 - 08/05/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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LuSiD9 said: definitely a creepy psychedelic/dissociative...
even though I find it dysphoric, utterly bizarre and terrifying a lot of the time, there's something that keeps me going back.. I've done it over 100 times at different dosages and settings.
if you do it on another dissociative, usually the tail end of a 'hole'... it's fucking amazing, no dysphoria, anxiety, or confusion... I have found so much more from it doing it this way 
interesting. what kind of insights or revelations do you get from this experience?
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Re: Anyone else think there is something a little creepy about salvia? [Re: Peyote Road]
#23513638 - 08/05/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nooneman said: I would describe it more as "disturbing." Existing as a couch or a conveyor belt or carpet or grass is a disturbing experience. The whole thing is just weird from start to finish.
that conveyor belt is such a common theme... so weird.
I've also been a spot on a spread peacock tail, the symbol on a card in a spread deck, a post in a picket fence, the front of a school bus, a floor tile, a piano key and a bunch of other weird random shit...
I bought this book called 'the search for the spirit of salvia' or something like that... very interesting... the guy talks about looking at salvia trips the same way you would interpret a dream... kinda hard to explain, but it made me want to go back to salvia exploration, I haven't since it's become so hard to come by now... only gripe I have about the book is that he goes on way to much about his divorce and his ex-wife and shit, you'll know what I mean if you read it.. a lot of reviewers had the same gripe.
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LuSiD9 said: definitely a creepy psychedelic/dissociative...
even though I find it dysphoric, utterly bizarre and terrifying a lot of the time, there's something that keeps me going back.. I've done it over 100 times at different dosages and settings.
if you do it on another dissociative, usually the tail end of a 'hole'... it's fucking amazing, no dysphoria, anxiety, or confusion... I have found so much more from it doing it this way 
interesting. what kind of insights or revelations do you get from this experience?
very hard to put my finger on, but it's very profound for sure... I almost as if I had knowledge downloaded or installed into my being... the parts I remember most though were almost like reliving a very vivid memory of being a 'being' of light along side a very large group of other light beings being shot off to different realities? or dimensions?, planets? I dunno... but we were all the same, and we had a very important purpose/mission... after coming back, I have no recollection of that purpose of course lol... seems like that how it's supposed to work or something, as frustrating as it is...
very, very, very vivid and lucid... like I was being shown something by a very sentient, and ancient being or beings..
explaining it is honestly just as hard, if not harder than describing a full blown dmt trip... and was even more profound IMO...
there doesn't seem to be so much of the becoming of random objects and shit... it was something entirely different... this happens every time I do it.
your mileage may vary of course... although a couple people on here that I recommended to try it reported some very similar things.
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