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    #23473435 - 07/24/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine.

Game over. :lolsy::smug:

Before anyone goes posting about the fucked up republicans, I suggest they mull over this choice to run the country.....


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Re: Democrats. [Re: starfire_xes] * 2
    #23473444 - 07/24/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i think it's game over, no matter what


i'm pretty sure they're all sitting around in a giant circle-jerk drinking Trump Super-Premium Vodka


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Re: Democrats. [Re: demiu5] * 1
    #23473775 - 07/24/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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i think it's game over, no matter what


i'm pretty sure they're all sitting around in a giant circle-jerk drinking Trump Super-Premium Vodka





probably. :lolsy:


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Re: Democrats. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #23474125 - 07/24/16 11:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I demand a do-over.


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Re: Democrats. [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #23474136 - 07/25/16 12:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's terrible. An unethical corporate pig with VP who is pro- radical Islam. We're all screwed!


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Re: Democrats. [Re: NachoPhlake]
    #23475191 - 07/25/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm just thankful we have so many checks and balances in our government structure.


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Re: Democrats. [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
    #23475295 - 07/25/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Democrats. [Re: qman] * 1
    #23480014 - 07/26/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hypocritical pieces of shit, every last one of them



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Re: Democrats. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23481195 - 07/27/16 03:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hey, take the republican dream of "less government" and then watch people freak the absolute fuck out when their gas shoots up to 10$/gal and beef goes up to 30$/lb... "I say I want less gub'ment, not higher prices at the store!"

So, ya know, when you say that "every single last one of them" don't forget to include the people in red ties.


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Re: Democrats. [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #23481350 - 07/27/16 06:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Hey, take the republican dream of "less government" and then watch people freak the absolute fuck out when their gas shoots up to 10$/gal and beef goes up to 30$/lb... "I say I want less gub'ment, not higher prices at the store!"

So, ya know, when you say that "every single last one of them" don't forget to include the people in red ties.




This is the problem, some people believe govt makes things cheaper, that's absolute bull

How does taxing things make it cheaper? Do you realize the govt makes more off every gallon of gas sold than the oil companies do?


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Re: Democrats. [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23481710 - 07/27/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Hypocritical pieces of shit, every last one of them






They really doesn't build walls. They has been keeping a lot of people out of their business, except for wikileaks.. But I do believe that she is going to try to build a more better Firewall.


Clinton has been burying emails since she was first lady http://nypost.com/2016/05/29/hillary-has-been-burying-emails-since-she-was-first-lady/


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Re: Democrats. [Re: Douglas Howard] * 1
    #23482824 - 07/27/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/3/susan-sarandon-says-hillary-clinton-more-dangerous/

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Hollywood actress and activist Susan Sarandon says former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would be a more dangerous U.S. president than Donald Trump — provided she’s not indicted first.

Ms. Sarandon, a supporter of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign, told a liberal news outlets this week that Mrs. Clinton’s track record portends a much worse future than anything Mr. Trump might catalyze as commander in chief.




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Re: Democrats. [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #23483606 - 07/27/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Hey, take the republican dream of "less government" and then watch people freak the absolute fuck out when their gas shoots up to 10$/gal and beef goes up to 30$/lb... "I say I want less gub'ment, not higher prices at the store!"

So, ya know, when you say that "every single last one of them" don't forget to include the people in red ties.




This is the problem, some people believe govt makes things cheaper, that's absolute bull

How does taxing things make it cheaper? Do you realize the govt makes more off every gallon of gas sold than the oil companies do?




The state government makes money off each gallon. The federal government subsidizes oil enough to make it affordable to the common man. (To the tune of...at least $3.2B/yr -Terry M Dinan, senior adviser to Congressional Budget office) Same goes for meat. Numbers in the meat industry are extremely hard to come by, but there is a direct subsidy of 62% for beef. Assuming 5$/lb now, that comes out to 5/(1-0.62)=13.15$/lb, before subsidies for feed, water, energy (see "gas", above), and other raw resources that go into production.


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Re: Democrats. [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #23483623 - 07/27/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

BS, the "subsidies" only "subsidize" some producers for certain things, revenue from oil far outweighs any puny tax credits they are given,

And the vast majority aren't subsidies, they're tax credits, calling them subsidies is dishonest and ignorant

The federal gasoline tax is a tax, just like any other


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Re: Democrats. [Re: Kryptos]
    #23483815 - 07/27/16 09:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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The state government makes money off each gallon. The federal government subsidizes oil enough to make it affordable to the common man. (To the tune of...at least $3.2B/yr -Terry M Dinan, senior adviser to Congressional Budget office) Same goes for meat. Numbers in the meat industry are extremely hard to come by, but there is a direct subsidy of 62% for beef. Assuming 5$/lb now, that comes out to 5/(1-0.62)=13.15$/lb, before subsidies for feed, water, energy (see "gas", above), and other raw resources that go into production.




Interesting. Good point, also.


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Re: Democrats. [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #23484122 - 07/27/16 10:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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The state government makes money off each gallon. The federal government subsidizes oil enough to make it affordable to the common man. (To the tune of...at least $3.2B/yr -Terry M Dinan, senior adviser to Congressional Budget office) Same goes for meat. Numbers in the meat industry are extremely hard to come by, but there is a direct subsidy of 62% for beef. Assuming 5$/lb now, that comes out to 5/(1-0.62)=13.15$/lb, before subsidies for feed, water, energy (see "gas", above), and other raw resources that go into production.




Interesting. Good point, also.




Yes, very interesting point indeed :whatever:


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Re: Democrats. [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #23484566 - 07/28/16 05:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Hypocritical pieces of shit, every last one of them






"Every last one of them" lol. That is like me classifying all Republicans  as idiotic Tea Party supporters. The Obama and Clinton administrations are both very corrupt and hardly stand for progressive values. Once we get a true progressive in office like Bernie or Jill Stein, we may be able to actually catch up with the rest of the west.


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Re: Democrats. [Re: big_scrappy97]
    #23484757 - 07/28/16 07:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Catch up with Venezuela? Greece? We are already a bankrupt nation, we don't need to catch up with those countries


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Re: Democrats. [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23485141 - 07/28/16 09:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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The state government makes money off each gallon. The federal government subsidizes oil enough to make it affordable to the common man. (To the tune of...at least $3.2B/yr -Terry M Dinan, senior adviser to Congressional Budget office) Same goes for meat. Numbers in the meat industry are extremely hard to come by, but there is a direct subsidy of 62% for beef. Assuming 5$/lb now, that comes out to 5/(1-0.62)=13.15$/lb, before subsidies for feed, water, energy (see "gas", above), and other raw resources that go into production.




Interesting. Good point, also.




Yes, very interesting point indeed :whatever:



It is a good point.  Which is why you dismiss it.

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Catch up with Venezuela? Greece? We are already a bankrupt nation, we don't need to catch up with those countries



That's why we need to end tax cuts for the rich.

And for about the 150th time we need to catch up to the Northern European countries, not Venezuela and Greece.  :picard:


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    #23485348 - 07/28/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Hypocritical pieces of shit, every last one of them






"Every last one of them" lol. That is like me classifying all Republicans  as idiotic Tea Party supporters. The Obama and Clinton administrations are both very corrupt and hardly stand for progressive values. Once we get a true progressive in office like Bernie or Jill Stein, we may be able to actually catch up with the rest of the west.




This is what I see what is going on. Monsanto is trying to control the world's food supply by controlling all of the seeds. By controlling the seeds, and which it is worth more than gold (Which Kadafi was going to try to make sure all countries' currencies worth it value in gold.) And so monsanto trying to make a new commodity that no other countries has but needs it. They had infiltrated their own people into the system like Supreme court justice Clarence Thomas. That he will prevents anyone that comes up with any proof that gmo's are poisonous, that he will have it thrown out of the court. And which monsanto protected him against the Anita Hill sexual harassment case (Which Joe Biden was one of the members on the committee). And Michael Taylor was monsanto's lawyer as well that doesn't knows anything about the AG industries, put as the head of the FDA to help monsanto to approve their products. But they had to keep spending a lot of money on a newly planted president every term in office. But now they are trying to stop that by finding some way to have a president in office until they are dead like how some countries has kings and queens. But then their children take their place, but they'll make sure that they are spoil brats like their parents were, that they will not care about no one but themselves. If someone dies, oh well.... These people are inconsiderate that they has chosen, and that is the way that they like them to be.






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    #23485521 - 07/28/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You can tell that this network is trying to make up an excuse for Cruz inconsiderate behavior. But make Trump into the villain.



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    #23486604 - 07/28/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Hypocritical pieces of shit, every last one of them






"Every last one of them" lol. That is like me classifying all Republicans  as idiotic Tea Party supporters. The Obama and Clinton administrations are both very corrupt and hardly stand for progressive values. Once we get a true progressive in office like Bernie or Jill Stein, we may be able to actually catch up with the rest of the west.




This is what I see what is going on. Monsanto is trying to control the world's food supply by controlling all of the seeds. By controlling the seeds, and which it is worth more than gold (Which Kadafi was going to try to make sure all countries' currencies worth it value in gold.) And so monsanto trying to make a new commodity that no other countries has but needs it. They had infiltrated their own people into the system like Supreme court justice Clarence Thomas. That he will prevents anyone that comes up with any proof that gmo's are poisonous, that he will have it thrown out of the court. And which monsanto protected him against the Anita Hill sexual harassment case (Which Joe Biden was one of the members on the committee). And Michael Taylor was monsanto's lawyer as well that doesn't knows anything about the AG industries, put as the head of the FDA to help monsanto to approve their products. But they had to keep spending a lot of money on a newly planted president every term in office. But now they are trying to stop that by finding some way to have a president in office until they are dead like how some countries has kings and queens. But then their children take their place, but they'll make sure that they are spoil brats like their parents were, that they will not care about no one but themselves. If someone dies, oh well.... These people are inconsiderate that they has chosen, and that is the way that they like them to be.









I am not even going to bother watching those two videos. I have seen Food Inc. and other videos exposing Monsanto. I don't think it is all a conspiracy like you think it is. I do believe they are trying to create a monopoly, which they kind of already have. They have control of 80% of the corn market and over 90% of the soy market in the U.S. It is all to make their pockets bigger. I do agree they are trying to control the agricultural market based off of the small farmers getting lawsuits for Monsanto's seed getting blown onto their land and the crazy amount of the market they control.

However, GMOs have been proven to be safe and just about every study coming out proves so. The studies that link GMOs with diseases and cancers are easily dismissible. Most of them have too many variables or/and don't have a good control/control data. Meanwhile, there have been over 1,700 peer reviewed studies that show GMOs are safe for human consumption.

Just check this article out: http://www.popsci.com/article/science/core-truths-10-common-gmo-claims-debunked


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    #23487487 - 07/28/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Hypocritical pieces of shit, every last one of them






"Every last one of them" lol. That is like me classifying all Republicans  as idiotic Tea Party supporters. The Obama and Clinton administrations are both very corrupt and hardly stand for progressive values. Once we get a true progressive in office like Bernie or Jill Stein, we may be able to actually catch up with the rest of the west.




This is what I see what is going on. Monsanto is trying to control the world's food supply by controlling all of the seeds. By controlling the seeds, and which it is worth more than gold (Which Kadafi was going to try to make sure all countries' currencies worth it value in gold.) And so monsanto trying to make a new commodity that no other countries has but needs it. They had infiltrated their own people into the system like Supreme court justice Clarence Thomas. That he will prevents anyone that comes up with any proof that gmo's are poisonous, that he will have it thrown out of the court. And which monsanto protected him against the Anita Hill sexual harassment case (Which Joe Biden was one of the members on the committee). And Michael Taylor was monsanto's lawyer as well that doesn't knows anything about the AG industries, put as the head of the FDA to help monsanto to approve their products. But they had to keep spending a lot of money on a newly planted president every term in office. But now they are trying to stop that by finding some way to have a president in office until they are dead like how some countries has kings and queens. But then their children take their place, but they'll make sure that they are spoil brats like their parents were, that they will not care about no one but themselves. If someone dies, oh well.... These people are inconsiderate that they has chosen, and that is the way that they like them to be.









I am not even going to bother watching those two videos. I have seen Food Inc. and other videos exposing Monsanto. I don't think it is all a conspiracy like you think it is. I do believe they are trying to create a monopoly, which they kind of already have. They have control of 80% of the corn market and over 90% of the soy market in the U.S. It is all to make their pockets bigger. I do agree they are trying to control the agricultural market based off of the small farmers getting lawsuits for Monsanto's seed getting blown onto their land and the crazy amount of the market they control.

However, GMOs have been proven to be safe and just about every study coming out proves so. The studies that link GMOs with diseases and cancers are easily dismissible. Most of them have too many variables or/and don't have a good control/control data. Meanwhile, there have been over 1,700 peer reviewed studies that show GMOs are safe for human consumption.

Just check this article out: http://www.popsci.com/article/science/core-truths-10-common-gmo-claims-debunked




I have seen all of monsanto's ads that claims that gmo's are safe. But can you show me an outside source of information rather than their.


NEW NORWEGIAN STUDY ACCUSES MONSANTO OF FALSELY CLAIMING GMOS ARE SAFE http://www.collective-evolution.com/2016/04/09/new-norwegian-study-accuses-monsanto-of-falsely-claiming-gmos-are-safe/

http://www.gmoseralini.org/seralini-study-retraction-intended-to-shut-down-possibility-of-long-term-gmo-tests-forever/#sthash.yYEG9Y4a.dpuf




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    #23487587 - 07/28/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

GMOs are safe.


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    #23488305 - 07/29/16 05:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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GMOs are safe.




http://www.gmoseralini.org/en/



And so now that proves that corporate america is trying to take over the world's food supply by having paid internet Trolls that are trying to persuade everybody to vote for Crooked Hillary to be elected as president, in the same manner as they has persuaded Bernie..


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    #23488703 - 07/29/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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GMOs are safe.




http://www.gmoseralini.org/en/



And so now that proves that corporate america is trying to take over the world's food supply by having paid internet Trolls that are trying to persuade everybody to vote for Crooked Hillary to be elected as president, in the same manner as they has persuaded Bernie..




Gmo's are safe though.


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Re: Democrats. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23490237 - 07/29/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Democrats, yes, they are that stupid



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    #23491439 - 07/30/16 05:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Democrats, yes, they are that stupid






Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.


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    #23493219 - 07/30/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Do you know the difference going broke and going in more debt?


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Re: Democrats. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23493322 - 07/30/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Right now we are handing out IOU to other countries instead of just letting our dollar drop (Not worth its weight in gold). And so other countries are waiting for us to restore our economy by just going along with us pretending that our dollar are notes that has the value that is printed on the paper. But if these countries wants us to settle our debts with them like Kadafi was going to do before his people has went on an rampage and killed him. That means if we go visiting to other countries, that our money will not have any value at all, that we will have to wash dishes for two or three days after we has eaten a meal at a restaurant over there. And for now on, we will have to stay in our country and cannot buy any more imported products. We will have to carry signs with us for the rest of our lives saying we will work or perform sexual favors for food or just for a plane trip or taxi in other countries.


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    #23493384 - 07/30/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine.






you know what's interesting, hillary had Debbie Wasserman Schultz as the head of
her campaign back in 2008 and in order to assure her nomination in 2016 she needed
someone on her side as the DNC chair which as coincidence would have it happened
to be Debbie Wasserman Schultz, in another strange coincidence Debbie Wasserman
Schultz is also being asked to step down after the convention due to some scandal
and not before even though that's when the scandal broke. of course after she
steps down, hillary wants her to again head her campaign in the upcoming election


crazy innit?


now in order to get Debbie Wasserman Schultz into the DNC chir, someone such as
hillary had to nominate her, ok, I can understand that also means someone would
have to step down from the position and to get someone to step down from that in
order to place a ringer in, the current chair would have to be promised something
pretty fucking big.... know who stepped down from the position as the DNC chair so
Debbie Wasserman Schultz could fill the position?


can you believe it was Tim Kaine?


and democrats want to support these people after they railroaded bernie like that


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    #23493387 - 07/30/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Democrats, yes, they are that stupid





Do you know the difference going broke and going in more debt?





tell us what the difference is?


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    #23494284 - 07/31/16 12:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Do you know the difference going broke and going in more debt?



tell us what the difference is?



Going broke is no longer being able to pay your debts.


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    #23494573 - 07/31/16 04:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

A Congressional agency will investigate the Planned Parenthood abortion business and look into its finances. A top pro-life attorney says it is much needed because Planned Parenthood has received billions in taxpayer funding at the same time its affiliates have engaged in fraud.  http://www.lifenews.com/2013/08/15/planned-parenthood-4-billion-in-tax-funding-as-20-of-its-affiliates-committed-fraud/


Rand Paul calls on Hillary Clinton to refund Planned Parenthood donations https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/07/28/rand-paul-calls-on-hillary-clinton-to-refund-planned-parenthood-donations/


Very graphic video..



She can stay up all night long watching it..


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    #23495123 - 07/31/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Wow, the DNC totally shit all over Hillary supporters, absolutely amazing



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    #23496397 - 07/31/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Catch up with Venezuela? Greece? We are already a bankrupt nation, we don't need to catch up with those countries




No, countries like Denmark, Norway, and Sweeden are what we should strive to be more like. They happen to have high voter turnouts, be some of the happiest countries in the world, and have a high standard of living.

We spend more than the next 13 countries combined on our military. It is simple. Cut military spending and put all that money back to the people. We are in the mess we are now because of Bush and Clinton. Clinton allowed anyone and everyone to get a loan even though they couldn't afford paying off that amount. On top of that, Bush cut taxes while sending troops to an oversea war. Bush set the capital gains tax rate at 10-15% for most investors and 0% for low income investors. You will most likely never hear of a low income investor because they simply cannot afford to spend that after paying for their bills. So, this mainly benefits the rich since most rates are taxed 20% higher than the capital gains taxes. This costed us $457 billion in the last 4 years just from one of the many tax breaks Bush put into place. Both parties are to blame.

I can't stand how our country has allowed a two party system for so long. Both Hillary and Trump are the most untrusted nominees in all of U.S. history. I have to say I hate both candidates, but Trump is surely more trustworthy than Hillary which is saying a lot. This could very well be a third party year. If Jill Stein and Gary Johnson were allowed to debate, I would obviously vote Jill Stein. However, if it were just Gary Johnson, I would still vote for him over corrupt Hillary or racist Trump.


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    #23496442 - 07/31/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Catch up with Venezuela? Greece? We are already a bankrupt nation, we don't need to catch up with those countries




No, countries like Denmark, Norway, and Sweeden are what we should strive to be more like. They happen to have high voter turnouts, be some of the happiest countries in the world, and have a high standard of living.



He's been told this a million times.  He refuses to accept what people tell him, he only accepts his own make believe.

That's why we call him the straw man king.

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We spend more than the next 13 countries combined on our military. It is simple. Cut military spending and put all that money back to the people. We are in the mess we are now because of Bush and Clinton. Clinton allowed anyone and everyone to get a loan even though they couldn't afford paying off that amount. On top of that, Bush cut taxes while sending troops to an oversea war. Bush set the capital gains tax rate at 10-15% for most investors and 0% for low income investors. You will most likely never hear of a low income investor because they simply cannot afford to spend that after paying for their bills. So, this mainly benefits the rich since most rates are taxed 20% higher than the capital gains taxes. This costed us $457 billion in the last 4 years just from one of the many tax breaks Bush put into place. Both parties are to blame.

I can't stand how our country has allowed a two party system for so long. Both Hillary and Trump are the most untrusted nominees in all of U.S. history. I have to say I hate both candidates, but Trump is surely more trustworthy than Hillary which is saying a lot. This could very well be a third party year. If Jill Stein and Gary Johnson were allowed to debate, I would obviously vote Jill Stein. However, if it were just Gary Johnson, I would still vote for him over corrupt Hillary or racist Trump.



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Re: Democrats. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23496944 - 07/31/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Wow, the DNC totally shit all over Hillary supporters, absolutely amazing






I think you mean Bernie supporters, but I agree with you that is completely over the top fucked


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I can't stand how our country has allowed a two party system for so long. Both Hillary and Trump are the most untrusted nominees in all of U.S. history. I have to say I hate both candidates, but Trump is surely more trustworthy than Hillary which is saying a lot. This could very well be a third party year. If Jill Stein and Gary Johnson were allowed to debate, I would obviously vote Jill Stein. However, if it were just Gary Johnson, I would still vote for him over corrupt Hillary or racist Trump.




I support your desire to vote third party. The two party system is flawed and corrupt. I'm amazed how many Bernie voters have expressed desire to support Hilary, the antithesis of everything he's stood for

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No, countries like Denmark, Norway, and Sweeden are what we should strive to be more like. They happen to have high voter turnouts, be some of the happiest countries in the world, and have a high standard of living.





Maybe you can tell me how our country is similar to those, making a transition to those socialist style governments even possible (I've been asking this question for months, the progressive circle jerk here just gets mad and resorts to name calling, as evidenced above...)


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Re: Democrats. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23497425 - 08/01/16 12:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I support your desire to vote third party. The two party system is flawed and corrupt. I'm amazed how many Bernie voters have expressed desire to support Hilary, the antithesis of everything he's stood for






I completely agree and am actually quite frustrated not just with the supporters, but with Bernie as well. He really should have stood in front of or behind another progressive movement like Jill Stein's since she is almost exactly in line with what he was trying to spread.

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Maybe you can tell me how our country is similar to those, making a transition to those socialist style governments even possible (I've been asking this question for months, the progressive circle jerk here just gets mad and resorts to name calling, as evidenced above...)




I don't plan on calling names at this time but no promises. :wink:
I am totally kidding. It won't get us anywhere in this conversation.

Anyway, to compare us and all those other countries. We already have some semi-democratic socialist programs like Medicare and SNAP. Now, I I am reasonable and don't want a nation of free loaders. Programs like SNAP and Section 8 actually need to be watched closer and need to be more difficult to join. I know several people who unfortunately use the system. However, that is a somewhat separate issue.

Now, for programs like universal healthcare and debt-free college tuition. In order to get these programs, taxes will inevitably be raised. However, there are ways we can limit those tax hikes. First of all, we need to cut our fossil fuel subsidies from huge, already highly profitable companies like Exxon. Then, we would have to raise the capital gains tax rate after $250,000 made from capital gains. I am not saying to raise it altogether since that would discourage people from investing in the first place. After that, we would have to limit tax loopholes. Next, we would raise taxes, mainly on people making above $250,000. Finally, we would have to give it time.

I say the last thing about time because at first, some people will not be happy with the somewhat hike on taxes. Most will already be fine with it and in support. Over 2/3 of the nation is in support of a single-payer healthcare system and the decision about tax funded college tuition is split 50:50. But, just remember FDR's original ideas about a minimum wage, overtime pay, child labor laws, social security, and government funded jobs were all considered socialist and communist at one point.


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    #23497634 - 08/01/16 05:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Anyway, to compare us and all those other countries. We already have some semi-democratic socialist programs like Medicare and SNAP. Now, I I am reasonable and don't want a nation of free loaders.




But that is what we already have, and expanding these programs would make it worse

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First of all, we need to cut our fossil fuel subsidies from huge, already highly profitable companies like Exxon




Even the most progressive publications only come up with about 25 Billion that could be saved by ending fossil fuel subsidies, most analysts project the cost of universal healthcare alone to be around 1 trillion a year, ending fossil fuel subsides doesn't even make a dent in paying for it


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Next, we would raise taxes, mainly on people making above $250,000.




Only 2% of Americans even make over 250k a year, that's only about 6 million people, and they already pay 45% of all income taxes, it simply isn't feasible to tax 2% of the population high enough to pay for health care and free college for the remaining 300 million


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But, just remember FDR's original ideas about a minimum wage, overtime pay, child labor laws, social security, and government funded jobs were all considered socialist and communist at one point.




They still are socialist, I don't know what has changed about that, other than we've accepted the concept of govt taking care of us from cradle to grave

I fail to see the relevance of child labor laws when discussing government social programs, clearly it is not one

Social security is bankrupt, I'd hardly use that as an example of a govt social program working efficiently


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    #23497700 - 08/01/16 06:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Anyway, to compare us and all those other countries. We already have some semi-democratic socialist programs like Medicare and SNAP. Now, I I am reasonable and don't want a nation of free loaders.




But that is what we already have, and expanding these programs would make it worse

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First of all, we need to cut our fossil fuel subsidies from huge, already highly profitable companies like Exxon




Even the most progressive publications only come up with about 25 Billion that could be saved by ending fossil fuel subsidies, most analysts project the cost of universal healthcare alone to be around 1 trillion a year, ending fossil fuel subsides doesn't even make a dent in paying for it


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Next, we would raise taxes, mainly on people making above $250,000.




Only 2% of Americans even make over 250k a year, that's only about 6 million people, and they already pay 45% of all income taxes, it simply isn't feasible to tax 2% of the population high enough to pay for health care and free college for the remaining 300 million


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But, just remember FDR's original ideas about a minimum wage, overtime pay, child labor laws, social security, and government funded jobs were all considered socialist and communist at one point.




They still are socialist, I don't know what has changed about that, other than we've accepted the concept of govt taking care of us from cradle to grave

I fail to see the relevance of child labor laws when discussing government social programs, clearly it is not one

Social security is bankrupt, I'd hardly use that as an example of a govt social program working efficiently




Goodness gracious.

I don't have the time nor want to spend my time typing out and breaking down every single step and detail. Here is the EXACT tax plan step by step that will work for health care...

https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/friedman-memo-1.pdf

...and here is the EXACT tax plan step by step that will pay for college..

http://www.peri.umass.edu/fileadmin/pdf/working_papers/working_papers_401-450/WP414.pdf

...if you don't want to read that entire tax plan then I will just explain. It is simply a Wall Street speculation tax that he puts down to predict to be roughly $300 billion. However, it is really estimated to rake in roughly $60 billion. The projected cost is $75 billion. That is still a substantial amount of tuition being paid. The rest can just land on the one going to college. It would basically be a system that Germany had about a year ago.

If this exact breakdown still isn't enough for you, then you're a lost cause.


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    #23497842 - 08/01/16 08:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Catch up with Venezuela? Greece? We are already a bankrupt nation, we don't need to catch up with those countries




No, countries like Denmark, Norway, and Sweeden are what we should strive to be more like. They happen to have high voter turnouts, be some of the happiest countries in the world, and have a high standard of living.

We spend more than the next 13 countries combined on our military. It is simple. Cut military spending and put all that money back to the people. We are in the mess we are now because of Bush and Clinton. Clinton allowed anyone and everyone to get a loan even though they couldn't afford paying off that amount. On top of that, Bush cut taxes while sending troops to an oversea war. Bush set the capital gains tax rate at 10-15% for most investors and 0% for low income investors. You will most likely never hear of a low income investor because they simply cannot afford to spend that after paying for their bills. So, this mainly benefits the rich since most rates are taxed 20% higher than the capital gains taxes. This costed us $457 billion in the last 4 years just from one of the many tax breaks Bush put into place. Both parties are to blame.

I can't stand how our country has allowed a two party system for so long. Both Hillary and Trump are the most untrusted nominees in all of U.S. history. I have to say I hate both candidates, but Trump is surely more trustworthy than Hillary which is saying a lot. This could very well be a third party year. If Jill Stein and Gary Johnson were allowed to debate, I would obviously vote Jill Stein. However, if it were just Gary Johnson, I would still vote for him over corrupt Hillary or racist Trump.




Who pays for the ultimate military security of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden?

Who is suggesting that these countries start paying the US for this security?


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    #23498739 - 08/01/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Goodness gracious.

I don't have the time nor want to spend my time typing out and breaking down every single step and detail.



You shouldn't waste your time explaining, because it's already been explained for hostileuniverse many, many times.

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Bernies socialist utopia plan has been debunked repeatedly...



You've tried to debunk it repeatedly, but we've gone through the math together many times and proved your articles were factually incorrect.  Would you like another math lesson?


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    #23499332 - 08/01/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Goodness gracious.

I don't have the time nor want to spend my time typing out and breaking down every single step and detail.



You shouldn't waste your time explaining, because it's already been explained for hostileuniverse many, many times.

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Bernies socialist utopia plan has been debunked repeatedly...



You've tried to debunk it repeatedly, but we've gone through the math together many times and proved your articles were factually incorrect.  Would you like another math lesson?



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I'm a lost cause because I don't want to bankrupt the people of the US? Okay then...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/02/12/how-bernie-sanders-wont-pay-for-his-proposals/#77d37bf3200d

Even progressives, the very people who supported Bernie and his nonsense, don't think his plans would have worked

http://reason.com/blog/2016/02/19/progressive-economists-sanders-economic

http://www.ibtimes.com/election-2016-do-sanders-economic-plans-add-cost-his-revolution-2326247

Just because you throw a bunch of numbers together, doesn't mean that you magically get what you want.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/04/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-wall-street-tax-would-pay-his-/

http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/13/how-three-key-claims-in-sanders-robin-hood-financial-tax-simply-dont-hold-water/

http://www.inc.com/jeremy-quittner/bernie-sanders-single-payer-plan-has-big-feasibility-problem.html

Bernies socialist utopia plan has been debunked repeatedly...




DEBUNKED REPEATEDLY


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    #23499643 - 08/01/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Would you like another math lesson?



I'm a lost cause because I don't want to bankrupt the people of the US? Okay then...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/02/12/how-bernie-sanders-wont-pay-for-his-proposals/#77d37bf3200d

Even progressives, the very people who supported Bernie and his nonsense, don't think his plans would have worked

http://reason.com/blog/2016/02/19/progressive-economists-sanders-economic

http://www.ibtimes.com/election-2016-do-sanders-economic-plans-add-cost-his-revolution-2326247

Just because you throw a bunch of numbers together, doesn't mean that you magically get what you want.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/04/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-wall-street-tax-would-pay-his-/

http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/13/how-three-key-claims-in-sanders-robin-hood-financial-tax-simply-dont-hold-water/

http://www.inc.com/jeremy-quittner/bernie-sanders-single-payer-plan-has-big-feasibility-problem.html

Bernies socialist utopia plan has been debunked repeatedly...



DEBUNKED REPEATEDLY



Yes, those articles have been debunked repeatedly.  Please review this post (and the follow up discussion) as an example of how we pay for Bernie's proposals.


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    #23499887 - 08/01/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yea, Even the progressives have debunked those numbers

Most economists have thoroughly debunked Bernies retarded plan, very few have endorsed it, that's a fact


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    #23499994 - 08/01/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's a fact that we went through the numbers in detail and proved them in the link above.  If you're unable to follow the math, then shut up.  Otherwise, let us know where we got it wrong.


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    #23500540 - 08/02/16 01:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:
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hostileuniverse said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Would you like another math lesson?



I'm a lost cause because I don't want to bankrupt the people of the US? Okay then...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/02/12/how-bernie-sanders-wont-pay-for-his-proposals/#77d37bf3200d

Even progressives, the very people who supported Bernie and his nonsense, don't think his plans would have worked

http://reason.com/blog/2016/02/19/progressive-economists-sanders-economic

http://www.ibtimes.com/election-2016-do-sanders-economic-plans-add-cost-his-revolution-2326247

Just because you throw a bunch of numbers together, doesn't mean that you magically get what you want.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/04/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-wall-street-tax-would-pay-his-/

http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/13/how-three-key-claims-in-sanders-robin-hood-financial-tax-simply-dont-hold-water/

http://www.inc.com/jeremy-quittner/bernie-sanders-single-payer-plan-has-big-feasibility-problem.html

Bernies socialist utopia plan has been debunked repeatedly...



DEBUNKED REPEATEDLY



Yes, those articles have been debunked repeatedly.  Please review this post (and the follow up discussion) as an example of how we pay for Bernie's proposals.




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I'm a lost cause because I don't want to bankrupt the people of the US? Okay then...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/02/12/how-bernie-sanders-wont-pay-for-his-proposals/#77d37bf3200d

Even progressives, the very people who supported Bernie and his nonsense, don't think his plans would have worked

http://reason.com/blog/2016/02/19/progressive-economists-sanders-economic

http://www.ibtimes.com/election-2016-do-sanders-economic-plans-add-cost-his-revolution-2326247

Just because you throw a bunch of numbers together, doesn't mean that you magically get what you want.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/04/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-wall-street-tax-would-pay-his-/

http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/13/how-three-key-claims-in-sanders-robin-hood-financial-tax-simply-dont-hold-water/

http://www.inc.com/jeremy-quittner/bernie-sanders-single-payer-plan-has-big-feasibility-problem.html

Bernies socialist utopia plan has been debunked repeatedly...




Even if trading was reduced by 50% we would still raise $352 billion over the course of a year..and we only need $75 billion for tuition free college.

The last article literally proves nothing. It just reiterates his tax plan and never actually says where he is wrong.

I just love how Republicans are fine with going to an oversea war, but the moment we want to put our taxes back to the people there is huge outrage.

Now let's hear your stance on economics and taxes. What? Continue the trend of Warren Buffet paying less than his secretary in taxes? Continue the trend of wealth inequality when the top .1% owns just as much as the .1% did in the 1920's? Continue the trend of being indebted from the start of adult life because of college? Continue the trend of 1/10 Americans being uninsured? Continue to waste trillions of tax dollars from being an imperialistic nation? Please, let's hear it.

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It's a fact that we went through the numbers in detail and proved them in the link above.  If you're unable to follow the math, then shut up.  Otherwise, let us know where we got it wrong.




I should have just listened to you in the first place. Once people have their mind set, it is set even with cold hard facts slapping them in the face.


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    #23501027 - 08/02/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The cold hard facts have been linked, I'm sorry you two don't understand them, but I'm not gonna read them for you...:lol:

Don't be mistaken, it's not me disputing your numbers, it's reason magazine, run by progressives... And a myriad of other economists, maybe you can go explain to them why they're wrong, LMFAO!

In other news, THANK YOU NY POST!!!

http://www.thebarbedwiresatire.com/ny-post/

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"raise $352 billion (from WS trading)"

Please explain.


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The cold hard facts have been linked, I'm sorry you two don't understand them, but I'm not gonna read them for you...:lol:

Don't be mistaken, it's not me disputing your numbers, it's reason magazine, run by progressives... And a myriad of other economists, maybe you can go explain to them why they're wrong, LMFAO!

In other news, THANK YOU NY POST!!!

http://www.thebarbedwiresatire.com/ny-post/


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"raise $352 billion (from WS trading)"

Please explain.





With a .5% tax rate on stock trades, a .1% tax rate on bond trades, and a tax rate of .005% on derivatives would easily generate that much. The U.S. stocks are worth $25 trillion. There are $300 billion worth of trades a day. I think you can do the math.

Still don't believe me? Here is a peer reviewed paper written by graduates of Amherst.

http://www.peri.umass.edu/236/hash/73719726ffadd0cd22d52981724e90f5/publication/698/


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The cold hard facts have been linked, I'm sorry you two don't understand them, but I'm not gonna read them for you...:lol:



We read them and we refuted them.  Pick your favorite article and I'll prove we understand the numbers perfectly and we can discuss the math (I'm a math major).  It's you that sits back every time and says "DUUUUUHHHHHH".  Go ahead, pick an article...


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    #23502249 - 08/02/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Gotta say, I needed several stiff drinks to get through this thread since my last post. *sigh*.

I fully support a non-two-party system. We need to get closer to where Germany is, with parties that are specific to their candidates that are required to work together to get a popular vote. Personally, I hate democratic policies regarding nuclear power. I think every city in the country should have a nuclear plant powering the place. This is, and always has been, a very republican view. Of course, I can't in good conscience support any other republican views, so I've consistently voted democrat ever since I gained US citizenship and was legally allowed to vote.

Anyway, back on topic (ish). I would like to point out a few interesting graphs. Linked here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/01/07/the-story-behind-obama-and-the-national-debt-in-7-charts/

Republicans have pretty consistently outspent democrats in terms of real purchasing power every single time they have held the office of the president. Seems a little bit contrary to the idea of "less government", personally, but I may be wrong. Maybe spending more federal money on federal expenditures somehow reduces the amount of government. Hollywood bookkeeping and all that.

My biggest problem is the obvious oxymoron of increasing military spending and simultaneously reducing the deficit. Given a consistent cash inflow, greater spending on the military would cause greater cash outflow...Of course, again, Hollywood bookkeeping may prove me wrong, in the sense that spending more money somehow saves money, but I'm no economist.

Having used the above as a counter to most "less Guv'ment!" redneck calls, let's get into things that matter. Specifically, welfare, and spending money on keeping people out of poverty. Yes, sure, there are a few examples of welfare queens. As a matter of fact, I have met some during my time as a salesman for the lifeline program. The funny thing is, almost every "definition" welfare queen wanted a job. Many even had part time jobs. It's just that at a certain point/income level, it is easier to stay unemployed and collect benefits than it is to get a minimum wage job and no longer be eligible for benefits. I have in my time met many people who lived below the poverty line, and when I asked them why they didn't try to get out, they simply said: "It's not worth it". This isn't to say that they *wanted* to stay reliant on welfare, it is simply that at a certain point, it makes sense to stay in a lower tax bracket.

I will use this paragraph to illustrate the first of two examples, one of subsistence poverty and one of upper middle class. The first, subsistence poverty, sounds terrible. You are literally in poverty to the point where you can barely survive. This is common throughout the US (1/6th is on food stamps). A minimum wage of 7.50$/hr, if you work 40 hour weeks, is just barely over the poverty line for one person households ($7.50/hr= $15,600/yr). Two person household poverty line is $16,020/yr. Of course, very few people making minimum wage actually work 40 hour weeks. The average daily shift length at McD's (apparently the national standard, talk about low standards...) is 4-6hr/day. This comes out to... $7.8k-11.6k per year, which is below poverty. These people literally do not get enough money to live according to poverty calculations.

Next, let's talk about a situation which is much closer to home for me. My household recently went up a tax bracket, and is now considered upper middle class to upper class. Sure, my salary boost was nice and shiny, but I fought against it. Why? Because my next salary hike would be years away, and the increase in tax bracket reduced my household real income by about 10%. I personally don't mind paying taxes, and I ended up losing about $5-7k/yr in real income as a result of increased taxes. The nice thing is that if I move up another tax bracket, I'd be considered rich, and while my theoretical tax rate and therefore deduction would increase, my real income would increase because the taxes are not as severe in terms of cost/benefit analysis.

This is an example of a truly messed up system. I would pay more taxes as "upper middle class" than I would as "upper class". Welfare is worth it as long as your skills do not provide enough real income to cover the discrepancy between welfare and lower class, which is true of pretty much every lower class citizen, as a high school diploma from the US is worth about as much as a burning bag of shit when it comes to finding a job.

This is, of course, not even touching on the absolute poverty present in the country, such as the truly homeless. I find it interesting that keeping homeless people homeless costs an average of twice as much in taxpayer money per person than simply giving them a cheap rent free apartment. Mostly because homeless people will go to the ER or commit minor crimes for a warm (prison) bed/meals, which is insanely more expensive than simply covering their rent using taxpayer dollars. Of course, if we were to just pay for their apartments and rehabilitation, we wouldn't have the equivalent of urban clowns to laugh at. Too bad that ability to laugh at urban clowns and panhandlers runs the taxpayer an extra approximately $20k/yr/person.


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The cold hard facts have been linked, I'm sorry you two don't understand them, but I'm not gonna read them for you...:lol:



We read them and we refuted them.  Pick your favorite article and I'll prove we understand the numbers perfectly and we can discuss the math (I'm a math major).  It's you that sits back every time and says "DUUUUUHHHHHH".  Go ahead, pick an article...




Oh you're a math major? So you can add and subtract, good for you, are you an economist?

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sorry Charlie, I'll still believe published economists over YOU any day of the week:lol:



And there are a boatload of economists who agree with Bernie.  The only way to resolve it is to look at the numbers, which is exactly what we've done in past posts like the one I linked to above.


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sorry Charlie, I'll still believe published economists over YOU any day of the week:lol:



And there are a boatload of economists who agree with Bernie.  The only way to resolve it is to look at the numbers, which is exactly what we've done in past posts like the one I linked to above.




Right, and you choose to believe progressive economists who want the numbers to work knowing full well once instituted, it will have have to be funded, no matter what the cost

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there are a boatload of economists who agree with Bernie.  The only way to resolve it is to look at the numbers, which is exactly what we've done in past posts like the one I linked to above.




Right, and you choose to believe progressive economists who want the numbers to work knowing full well once instituted, it will have have to be funded, no matter what the cost



Wrong again, Mr Straw Man King.  I choose the ones who back their results with verifiable calculations.


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there are a boatload of economists who agree with Bernie.  The only way to resolve it is to look at the numbers, which is exactly what we've done in past posts like the one I linked to above.




Right, and you choose to believe progressive economists who want the numbers to work knowing full well once instituted, it will have have to be funded, no matter what the cost



Wrong again, Mr Straw Man King.  I choose the ones who back their results with verifiable calculations.




Hey you remember when your economists said O'care was only gonna cost us 800 billion? I do!


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    #23502441 - 08/02/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No, I don't remember analyzing those numbers.  Got a link?


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    #23502458 - 08/02/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I remember Republicans spending roughly 3x the cost of the entire Obamacare plan trying to fight against it.


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I remember Republicans spending roughly 3x the cost of the entire Obamacare plan trying to fight against it.




Gotta link?

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No, I don't remember analyzing those numbers.  Got a link?




938 billion, my bad, and now it's projected to cost over 2 trillion, funny how those numbers change, isn't it?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/cbo-obamacares-10-year-costs-will-now-eclipse-2-trillion/article/778723


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    #23502484 - 08/02/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I never analyzed those numbers.  And why use 10 year costs?  Why not 100 years to make it sound REALLY scary?!?


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I never analyzed those numbers.  And why use 10 year costs?  Why not 100 years to make it sound REALLY scary?!?




I don't know, why did Obumble use ten year numbers? You tell me

I know it's becuase they had to, as the real costs didn't start kicking in until recently and using ten year, when costs didn't kick in until year 4, would bring the projected cost down dramatically, democrats aren't as smart as they think they are, that's why they rely on low info voters for reelection


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    #23502542 - 08/02/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Can't find my original source, though my original source is fairly outdated. Here's one that says approximately half a bil was spent running attack ads on the ACA in 2014:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/04/04/billions-spent-on-attacking-obamacare/

Disregard my full argument until I find my data, which may take a while. For now, let's work with this half a bil number.


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Can't find my original source, though my original source is fairly outdated. Here's one that says approximately half a bil was spent running attack ads on the ACA in 2014:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/04/04/billions-spent-on-attacking-obamacare/

Disregard my full argument until I find my data, which may take a while. For now, let's work with this half a bil number.




You're original post

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I remember Republicans spending roughly 3x the cost of the entire Obamacare plan trying to fight against it.




So 500 million is a heck of a lot less than 2 trillion, by about $1,950,000,000,000, so I think your original post is off by quite a bit. Regardless, yes, a lot of money was spent to keep this job killing, healthcare expense raising monstrosity from becoming law. No one like it, not repubs or dems, and yet the dems saw fit to ram this piece of shit legislation down our throats. I've yet to meet a poor person who is happy with it or a middle class person, it's just another example of elitist democrats forcing a law, which none of them intend to live under, onto us peons, it's disgusting


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I don't remember analyzing those numbers.  Got a link?




938 billion, my bad, and now it's projected to cost over 2 trillion, funny how those numbers change, isn't it?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/cbo-obamacares-10-year-costs-will-now-eclipse-2-trillion/article/778723



You link shows GROSS costs.  Net costs is what matters, and that is FAR less than $2 trillion. Not only that, but net cost projections have gone down significantly:

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/45231

This is why it's important to analyze the data.  If you just accept what conservative news sources spew, you'll be proven wrong every time.


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I don't remember analyzing those numbers.  Got a link?




938 billion, my bad, and now it's projected to cost over 2 trillion, funny how those numbers change, isn't it?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/cbo-obamacares-10-year-costs-will-now-eclipse-2-trillion/article/778723



You link shows GROSS costs.  Net costs is what matters, and that is FAR less than $2 trillion. Not only that, but net cost projections have gone down significantly:

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/45231

This is why it's important to analyze the data.  If you just accept what conservative news sources spew, you'll be proven wrong every time.




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    #23504075 - 08/02/16 11:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You obviously have no clue how the CBO gets its numbers do you?



Sure I do.

https://www.cbo.gov/about/processes#methodology

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    #23505800 - 08/03/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hillary gets heckled off stage in LA, the bastion of liberal love and progressive ideology



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    #23515929 - 08/06/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Things will only get worse in the near future as she's forced out of hiding.

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    #23515941 - 08/06/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

And yet, they keep voting democrat, the very party that has destroyed them...



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    #23516162 - 08/06/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hillary is suffering from a lot of mental health issues. Like I noticed that she has signs of PBA, tourette syndrome and a little of dementia. I believes that corporate america is trying to hurry up and get her in office, and then have her appointed Vice president to take over when she is unable to control her behavior no more. Right now, they are trying to cover up her mental health problems. Maybe she is not aware that she has been lying. Maybe that is why the FBI did not want to indicted her, because they see the effects of her health is declining. She claims that there are still a conspiracy trying to get rid of her and Bill. But she must of had forgotten about the case about the women accused her husband Bill, of sexual harassment, that he was found guilty and wanted to settle out of court for his acts. But she forgotten that, and still believes that the case wasn't settled, they way she put it. But obama has been lying, and I doesn't see any signs of mental illness, but only recognized a sinister look on his face at times as if he is taking advantage of a mental patient. waiting to get her alone, away from the media so that he can have her to perform sexual favors on him.





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    #23516194 - 08/06/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)




Karl Rove stunned a conference when he suggested Hillary Clinton might have brain damage.

Onstage with Robert Gibbs and CBS correspondent and “Spies Against Armageddon” co-author Dan Raviv, Rove said Republicans should keep the Benghazi issue alive.

He said if Clinton runs for president, voters must be told what happened when she suffered a fall in December 2012.

The official diagnosis was a blood clot. Rove told the conference near LA Thursday, “Thirty days in the hospital? And when she reappears, she’s wearing glasses that are only for people who have traumatic brain injury? We need to know what’s up with that.”

Americans should think more carefully than Rove about just what Clinton’s illness may have been (and what her susceptibility to illness currently is).

The Clintons do not exactly tell the truth all the time (but what difference does it make, right?).

And, clearly, if Hillary wants to be president she has an overwhelming incentive to conceal an illness more serious than that which has been publically described.

That much is obvious.

What is not so obvious is that one can accept much of what Clinton said about her illness as true, and yet find that a quite rational conclusion to draw is that she might have suffered a stroke.



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Re: Democrats. [Re: Douglas Howard] * 1
    #23517077 - 08/06/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The government doesn't give subsidies to the gas and oil industry.  They give tax credits for exploration, the same as they do for R&D in hundreds of other industry sectors.

They give farm subsidies to farms--that is what keeps the price of eggs at $5 a dozen--the government guarantees a prices. 

My favorite is the sugar cane tarriffs--that keeps the price of sugar and anything that uses sugar much higher than it should be.

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    #23517793 - 08/07/16 04:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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    #23520581 - 08/07/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Pretty much sums it up



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Re: Democrats. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23521901 - 08/08/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

"Democrat" should be changed to "establishment".  :shrug:


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    #23523711 - 08/08/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I thought you guys might get a kick out of this video:



It's Debbie Wasserman Schultz, repeatedly avoiding chuck todd's questions, and it's quite funny. He straight up calls her out on it too lol!

I really do get tired of politicians being unwilling to answer tough questions, and journalists that don't hold them to those questions.


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    #23523759 - 08/09/16 12:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thank goodness WikiLeaks busted her after that.  :rofl:


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    #23523782 - 08/09/16 12:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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    #23523790 - 08/09/16 12:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If there is one thing Bernice sanders was good for, his idiotic campaign revealed the corruption that is rife in the democrat party. The only funny thing is, the same people bitching the most about it, will still vote for the Hillary


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    #23524931 - 08/09/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Thank goodness WikiLeaks busted her after that.  :rofl:




I fucking love that fact. It's funny too, because she kept excusing herself from debates with her senatorial opponent, because she was supposedly 'too busy'. Now she has no excuse! haha!


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    #23524975 - 08/09/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well, it looks like the "champion of the people" has made out like a bandit in all this


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/290887-sanders-buys-nearly-600k-summer-home

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We’ve always been impressed with the North Hero community, eaten at the North Hero House and Shore Acres and have suggested them to friends who were looking for a beautiful place to stay or have dinner. St. Anne’s Shrine in Isle La Motte is my favorite church and it is nearby.”
The Sanders’ new waterfront home has four bedrooms and 500 feet of Lake Champlain beachfront, Seven Days reported.

The town of North Hero has fewer than 1,000 residents, according to the 2010 U.S. Census.

The Sanders family also owns a row house on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., and a house in Burlington, Vt..




Isn't that sweet?

How does a guy who only makes 150k a year afford such a lavish lifestyle, maybe we should ask Hillary

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    #23525200 - 08/09/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

@150k/year, it'd be pretty easy to buy a $600k property, especially if one has remotely decent credit.  also, what does his wife do/does she have retirement? do they have some form of IRA?


i don't really see the big deal

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    #23525209 - 08/09/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

He owns 3 houses, I make about that and there's no way I could afford 3, not at 600k a piece, something is fishy


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    #23525290 - 08/09/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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He owns 3 houses, I make about that and there's no way I could afford 3, not at 600k a piece, something is fishy





in the course of his life, he has purchased three modestly-priced homes.  that's really not that unbelievable


the article you posted states the home in Burlington, VT is currently valued at $321k.  depending on how long he's owned the house, it's likely he bought it at $100k or less.

my grandparents, who are slightly older than sanders, bought a house in 1956 for just under $50k.  today, the house/property as is is valued at over $300k, and they could probably sell for more than that, as it's a couple acres in an area where almost all other original houses were torn down so half-million to million dollar mini-mansions now stand


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Re: Democrats. [Re: demiu5]
    #23525655 - 08/09/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Bernice never had a job until he was forty, that means that in 34 years he's amassed enough wealth to buy three homes, i guess public service pays very well indeed,

So what part of socialism advocates people owning three homes?

Oh that's right, the part where socialism is for the people, not the socialists

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    #23525878 - 08/09/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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    #23525967 - 08/09/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Media Photoshops Hillary Crowd to Make Her Audience Look Bigger http://www.teaparty.org/media-photoshops-hillary-crowd-make-audience-look-bigger-181121/


The original photo.



The photo-shop.




It looked liked as if Bernie could of have been the Democratic nominee after all. At Hillary's rallies, the only ones that are there, are the ones she had paid to come and see her.

Like I had said, that Trump is leading by a landslide over Hillary..

I have seen bigger crowds watching the baby panda being born at the zoo than this.

Even the photo-shop photo that crowd that is in it, is not bigger than the crowd that are standing on the outside of the Trump's rallies that the Fire Marshall will not let in.
The DNC, they really are sickos.


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    #23525988 - 08/09/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Media Photoshops Hillary Crowd to Make Her Audience Look Bigger http://www.teaparty.org/media-photoshops-hillary-crowd-make-audience-look-bigger-181121/


The original photo.



The photo-shop.




It looked liked as if Bernie could of have been the Democratic nominee after all. At Hillary's rallies, the only ones that are there, are the ones she had paid to come and see her.

Like I had said, that Trump is leading by a landslide over Hillary..

I have seen bigger crowds watching the baby panda being born at the zoo than this.

Even the photo-shop photo that crowd that is in it, is not bigger than the crowd that are standing on the outside of the Trump's rallies that the Fire Marshall will not let in.
The DNC, they really are sickos.






what about either of those two photos are 'shopped?


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    #23526038 - 08/09/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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what about either of those two photos are 'shopped?



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    #23526089 - 08/09/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Even if you put the two together and use mirror's tricks, that it isn't going to match up with the amount of people that are at the Trump rallies.




A lot of money is being spent to help Hillary to become president, and which that is a bad sign. Too many lies and all sort of stuff going on that says that the Democratic party is in a serious problem.


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    #23526164 - 08/09/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Corporate america knows that Hillary doesn't has that many supporters, but why are they trying to keep up the bluff as if she has the whole world standing behind her? They covering up her illness and trying to make it seem as if her relationship with Bill is so beautiful. They knows that most people depends on the media for information, that the public put their trust into it. They need to have a building for the ones that are going to vote for Trump and another for Hillary. And video tape and count all those that goes into each building to vote. Or have an thumb print identifying machine. So that whomever comes in and vote, that the machine will know that they are not coming in repeatedly to vote again. There should be a law that if any politician is caught in a lie, that they will be impeached, and never can ever associate with any other politicians for twenty years. Cannot have liars representing the people.


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Re: Democrats. [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #23526198 - 08/09/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It looked liked as if Bernie could of have been the Democratic nominee after all. At Hillary's rallies, the only ones that are there, are the ones she had paid to come and see her.




Is there evidence that she paid people to come to her rally? (No, I am sure there isn't). This is a hilarious criticism coming from a Trump supporter, as Trump has verifiably paid actors to come to his campaign events to make his crowds look bigger.

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Like I had said, that Trump is leading by a landslide over Hillary..




Trump is losing to Hillary.

I have seen bigger crowds watching the baby panda being born at the zoo than this.

Even the photo-shop photo that crowd that is in it, is not bigger than the crowd that are standing on the outside of the Trump's rallies that the Fire Marshall will not let in.
The DNC, they really are sickos.




Where is the evidence that this was photoshopped. Just your speculation? The pictures you've provided are not evidence of this.


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    #23526246 - 08/09/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well one thing for sure is that they did not want Abby Martin a truthful reporter to come and visit one of Hillary's rallies, that the cops had gather them all up before entering and had them station at a nearby school. I guess they were afraid that she will report back and film how many Hillary supporters are at the rally.
 




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    #23526270 - 08/09/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Abby Martin talks terrible about Clinton. Of course they don't want her at their rallies. They wouldn't let BLM activists into her rallies either.


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Abby Martin talks terrible about Clinton. Of course they don't want her at their rallies. They wouldn't let BLM activists into her rallies either.




Freedom of the press. Oh I forgot, that Hillary wants to make some few changes of the constitution.

I know that they had put the blame on Bush for the 9/11 attack, since it has happened under his administration. But He was only in office for one year. That is not long enough for him to start any conflicts with any other countries. But Bill has prepared the way so that when Bush gets into office, that it will look as if it were the republicans fault. But now obama wants to bring in swamp load of Muslim refugees by September before the next Republican president comes into office. The Democrats has already pumped the minds of the Muslim that Trump is evil, that he needs to be destroyed.
All of these games that they are playing shows how deceitful that the Democratic party has been over the years, that they has been planning on destroying the Republican party for a long time. Most likely it is corporate america that is doing all of this. I remember when Bill was campaigning, the media has caught some of the head of the ARCO corporation at the Democratic party. But they were trying to sneak away not to being seen at that rally. I thought that they were supporting the Democratic party is because the majority of their customers were the blue collar workers and the poor. But now I see that they were up to no good. All that I know is that British petroleum has just taken over the ARCO company during that time.





  The Muslims “will trample Europe with their feet,” Ayed said. “We will give them (Europeans) fertility and will breed children with them because we will conquer their countries,” the Sheikh fumed.

“Whether you like it or not, oh Germans, oh Americans, oh French, oh Italians and all those like you. Take the refugees! We will soon collect them in the name of the coming Caliphate”.In a related development, Secretary of State John Kerry said on Sunday that the U.S. will let in 100,000 refugees by 2017, most of them Syrians.

Senator Chuck Grassley reacted to the news by pointing out that the Islamic State and other terrorist organizations “have made it abundantly clear that they will use the refugee crisis to try to enter the United States. Now the Obama administration wants to bring in an additional 10,000 Syrians without a concrete and foolproof plan to ensure that terrorists won’t be able to enter the country.”

Other lawmakers of the congressional judiciary committees said, “the administration has essentially given the American people a ‘trust me.’ That isn’t good enough,” AP reported.  http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-scary-message-from-muslim-cleric-about-muslim-refugees-in-europe-and-us/


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    #23527228 - 08/10/16 05:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have said this for 2 years here, and that is all on record. Hillary is going to win easily, before I even knew Dumbshit was going to be the opponent. I don't want to have any ideological arguments with anyone, because those arguments are stupid and this place is three quarters stupid. I'm somewhere between an expert and a semi-expert in survey research. Anybody want to argue with me, wait till November, and them we'll see who's stupid. Anybody who is /was  for Bernie or the Greens or the Libertarians, I respect your views, but they weren't realistic.

    Anything else wait till November, and we'll talk about who's stupid then.

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    #23527495 - 08/10/16 08:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Of course Hillary is gonna win, she will spend hundreds of millions to smear Trump, he will spend hardly anything campaigning comparatively. That's hard to beat in a country filled with leaches, low info voters, and voter fraud


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    #23527504 - 08/10/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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    #23529485 - 08/10/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I have said this for 2 years here, and that is all on record. Hillary is going to win easily, before I even knew Dumbshit was going to be the opponent. I don't want to have any ideological arguments with anyone, because those arguments are stupid and this place is three quarters stupid. I'm somewhere between an expert and a semi-expert in survey research. Anybody want to argue with me, wait till November, and them we'll see who's stupid. Anybody who is /was  for Bernie or the Greens or the Libertarians, I respect your views, but they weren't realistic.

    Anything else wait till November, and we'll talk about who's stupid then.

    do not argue me before November.




Bernie voters who are voting 3rd party aren't expecting to win. They are voting in protest to shape the future. Also, there is always room for unaccounted variables such as WikiLeaks data dumps. A couple months ago it was pretty safe to say that Wasserman-Schultz was going to be re-elected. Now she has lost her post at the DNC, and things are looking a bit dicey for her future in politics.


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Re: Democrats. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23529607 - 08/10/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Bernie voters who are voting 3rd party aren't expecting to win. They are voting in protest to shape the future. Also, there is always room for unaccounted variables such as WikiLeaks data dumps. A couple months ago it was pretty safe to say that Wasserman-Schultz was going to be re-elected. Now she has lost her post at the DNC, and things are looking a bit dicey for her future in politics.



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Re: Democrats. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23535911 - 08/12/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Demcrats, the only party who can claim to care about someone while undermining them, disgusting fucks

http://endingthefed.com/obama-cuts-2-6-billion-from-veterans-while-allocating-4-5-billion-to-syrian-migrants-moving-to-america.html


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    #23536464 - 08/12/16 10:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Bernie voters who are voting 3rd party aren't expecting to win. They are voting in protest to shape the future. Also, there is always room for unaccounted variables such as WikiLeaks data dumps. A couple months ago it was pretty safe to say that Wasserman-Schultz was going to be re-elected. Now she has lost her post at the DNC, and things are looking a bit dicey for her future in politics.



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    #23540884 - 08/14/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)





Her son was a nobody.




But his son is a somebody and needs all the attention.



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    #23542436 - 08/14/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Fuckin a clunton sux


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    #23548732 - 08/17/16 01:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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There should be a law that if any politician is caught in a lie, that they will be impeached, and never can ever associate with any other politicians for twenty years. Cannot have liars representing the people.




We'd run out of politicians.

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    #23549207 - 08/17/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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There should be a law that if any politician is caught in a lie, that they will be impeached, and never can ever associate with any other politicians for twenty years. Cannot have liars representing the people.




We'd run out of politicians.

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Well, Trump seem as a person that cannot lie. He even says stuff that he can get himself into trouble.




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    #23549209 - 08/17/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

GARY JOHNSON guys


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    #23550025 - 08/17/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ron Paul 2008 2012 Gary Johnson 2016


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Re: Democrats. [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #23551200 - 08/17/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

There is mounting evidence Hilary's health is taking a turn for the worse

https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3745923/amp/Tired-Hillary-Clinton-no-stand-candidate-stool.html?client=safari

Can't stand for more than ten minutes



Wierd seizures

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    #23552102 - 08/18/16 02:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Matthew 22:16 They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. “Teacher,” they said, “we know that you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are.





-1 Timothy 2:12 "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent."

-Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days."

- Titus 3:1 "Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for any honest work ..."

- 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 "...the women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church."

- 1 Timothy 6 "Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be defamed."

Just a few verses to remind you the book of BS. I even threw in a few new testament verses so you can't use the typical "old testament" scapegoat. No pun intended on the word scapegoat. :lol:


And here are a few verses that show Jesus was a socialist.

- Luke 18:22 "One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute it to the poor."

- Luke 12:22-23 "Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you shall eat, nor about your body, what you shall put on.... Sell your possessions, and give alms."

- Luke 14:13-14 "If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven."

- Matthew 19:24 "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”


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    #23552184 - 08/18/16 03:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Matthew 22:16 They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. “Teacher,” they said, “we know that you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are.





-1 Timothy 2:12 "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent."






If you had read the hold story, that Paul was stating that the men at the time were not  letting the women to teach. But then he goes on and told them why do they think that they are better, did God only had work with them. But God worked with man and woman. But just with the men. And the next was letting us to know, that if a man sleep with a woman, even though it were just for fun or what ever, that they are now married with that woman. And if it were with a prostitute, that whomever sleep with her, knowingly that she is a prostitute, that man is married with her even though if she sleep with men for money. God is not going to let that man's heart leave from her. That is why some people breaks up with each other and cannot stay apart. Because they were not released from the covenant that was made. And sleeping with someone were considered as a covenant of marriage in those days. That is why in the old, God permitted them to have so many wives. Because just one violation or else He would of have to destroy them.


1 Corinthians 6:16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”

Matthew 19:6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”


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    #23553329 - 08/18/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If you had read the hold story, that Paul was stating that the men at the time were not  letting the women to teach. But then he goes on and told them why do they think that they are better, did God only had work with them. But God worked with man and woman. But just with the men. And the next was letting us to know, that if a man sleep with a woman, even though it were just for fun or what ever, that they are now married with that woman. And if it were with a prostitute, that whomever sleep with her, knowingly that she is a prostitute, that man is married with her even though if she sleep with men for money. God is not going to let that man's heart leave from her. That is why some people breaks up with each other and cannot stay apart. Because they were not released from the covenant that was made. And sleeping with someone were considered as a covenant of marriage in those days. That is why in the old, God permitted them to have so many wives. Because just one violation or else He would of have to destroy them.


1 Corinthians 6:16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”

Matthew 19:6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”





-Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days."

So according to the bible, a man and woman must marry each other if the man rapes her. Let's hear your excuse for this one.  :bathtub40lol:


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    #23554019 - 08/18/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If you had read the hold story, that Paul was stating that the men at the time were not  letting the women to teach. But then he goes on and told them why do they think that they are better, did God only had work with them. But God worked with man and woman. But just with the men. And the next was letting us to know, that if a man sleep with a woman, even though it were just for fun or what ever, that they are now married with that woman. And if it were with a prostitute, that whomever sleep with her, knowingly that she is a prostitute, that man is married with her even though if she sleep with men for money. God is not going to let that man's heart leave from her. That is why some people breaks up with each other and cannot stay apart. Because they were not released from the covenant that was made. And sleeping with someone were considered as a covenant of marriage in those days. That is why in the old, God permitted them to have so many wives. Because just one violation or else He would of have to destroy them.


1 Corinthians 6:16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”

Matthew 19:6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”





-Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days."

So according to the bible, a man and woman must marry each other if the man rapes her. Let's hear your excuse for this one.  :bathtub40lol:




In those days were not like how it is in our days. Women were dependent on a man to take real good care of them. That the men were their only means of survival. In those times, that it were common that women that did not belong to anyone, that she was raped without the use of a condom. And most of the time, they were raped by many at a time. Most of the women that had conceived had look for some way to get rid of the fetus, and or wait for the child to be born and sold them to slave traders. That is why God told them to respect your father and mother, because they had kept you ( now you know why God had still worked with Hagar). Because in those days, it was normal to get rid of the child if there's are no one around to help support them. And accordingly to their laws at the time, in order to marry a man's daughter, that the man must give a dowry to the father for taking her away with him. And so God was just making sure that he abides by the father's customs, or else, that will be considered as theft or kidnapping (And in those days, the father were glad to sell off their daughters or help bring in someone with strong hands to help tend to the crops or herds).
In some countries, that they still practices their old traditional ways.
And so it were not God's ways, but God was working with them by letting them to keep some of their ways, to slowly wing them away from it.

Matthew 19:8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning[/b].

Mark 10:6 “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ (It did not said that he made male and female[s] to be as one)


Hebrews 5:13 Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness.

Hebrews 5:12 In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God’s word all over again. You need milk, not solid food!

Hebrews 6:1 Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God,


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Re: Democrats. [Re: Douglas Howard] * 1
    #23554658 - 08/18/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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In those days were not like how it is in our days.




Malachi 3:6 “For I the Lord do not change..."

Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever."

But god never changes his views based on society. It doesn't matter what happened then and what happens now. It doesn't matter what the differences are in societies. God is the constant in this variable of a world. Therefore, anyone who is raped needs to marry their rapist. Anyone who masturbates needs to cut off their hand. Anyone who is gay will be cast to hell. Anyone who checks out another person has committed adultery. Everyone, in no matter what country, should obey their leaders. This is all coming from your book.


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    #23554812 - 08/18/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm beginning to think Hillary would be the best for US Defense.  They could take here to trouble countries, roll her out of air-force one ass-first, and scare the fuckers to death.


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    #23554861 - 08/18/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If you had read the hold story, that Paul was stating that the men at the time were not  letting the women to teach. But then he goes on and told them why do they think that they are better, did God only had work with them. But God worked with man and woman. But just with the men. And the next was letting us to know, that if a man sleep with a woman, even though it were just for fun or what ever, that they are now married with that woman. And if it were with a prostitute, that whomever sleep with her, knowingly that she is a prostitute, that man is married with her even though if she sleep with men for money. God is not going to let that man's heart leave from her. That is why some people breaks up with each other and cannot stay apart. Because they were not released from the covenant that was made. And sleeping with someone were considered as a covenant of marriage in those days. That is why in the old, God permitted them to have so many wives. Because just one violation or else He would of have to destroy them.


1 Corinthians 6:16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”

Matthew 19:6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”





-Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days."

So according to the bible, a man and woman must marry each other if the man rapes her. Let's hear your excuse for this one.  :bathtub40lol:




In those days were not like how it is in our days. Women were dependent on a man to take real good care of them. That the men were their only means of survival. In those times, that it were common that women that did not belong to anyone, that she was raped without the use of a condom. And most of the time, they were raped by many at a time. Most of the women that had conceived had look for some way to get rid of the fetus, and or wait for the child to be born and sold them to slave traders. That is why God told them to respect your father and mother, because they had kept you ( now you know why God had still worked with Hagar). Because in those days, it was normal to get rid of the child if there's are no one around to help support them. And accordingly to their laws at the time, in order to marry a man's daughter, that the man must give a dowry to the father for taking her away with him. And so God was just making sure that he abides by the father's customs, or else, that will be considered as theft or kidnapping (And in those days, the father were glad to sell off their daughters or help bring in someone with strong hands to help tend to the crops or herds).
In some countries, that they still practices their old traditional ways.
And so it were not God's ways, but God was working with them by letting them to keep some of their ways, to slowly wing them away from it.

Matthew 19:8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning[/b].

Mark 10:6 “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ (It did not said that he made male and female[s] to be as one)


Hebrews 5:13 Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness.

Hebrews 5:12 In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God’s word all over again. You need milk, not solid food!

Hebrews 6:1 Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God,



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Earth is a trip because of people like you... Like a bad science fiction movie... My god.




Young man, one day you are going to wake up and find yourself burning in hell. :smirk:


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    #23555585 - 08/18/16 11:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Young man, one day you are going to wake up and find yourself burning in hell. :smirk:




Young man, one day you are going to die and just be nothing. Just how you were before birth. No consciousness whatsoever. Nothing. You will have lived your one and only life devoting it to a religion focusing on the "next life" instead of devoting it to this one and only life you have.


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    #23555896 - 08/19/16 04:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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In those days were not like how it is in our days.




Malachi 3:6 “For I the Lord do not change..."

Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever."

But god never changes his views based on society. It doesn't matter what happened then and what happens now. It doesn't matter what the differences are in societies. God is the constant in this variable of a world. Therefore, anyone who is raped needs to marry their rapist. Anyone who masturbates needs to cut off their hand. Anyone who is gay will be cast to hell. Anyone who checks out another person has committed adultery. Everyone, in no matter what country, should obey their leaders. This is all coming from your book.




All through the scriptures, God always have shown mercy, and which to show mercy is an act of change. From passing judgment into forgiveness. In those days, the people had thought that all things were of the Lord, and which it were true in some ways. They had called the Destroyer( satan) and angel of the Lord, or from the Lord. It is because God controls it. And everytime when God unleashed it on the people, He turn from his anger, and make it stop what it was made to do. And so that is having a change of heart. But we are the ones that are stiff-neck people as it says. That it is hard for us to turn from our wicked ways. And it is hard for us to show repentance ( And which repentance means to turn from being prideful of our wicked deeds, and to become humble or to show that we are ashamed of our wicked deeds). But God's verdict has came in, and it has shown that we loves darkness over the Light. And the only ones that are saved, are the ones that doesn't truly loves their life of being wicked, because of their spirit is not running alongside with their bodies. It is actually running against it.

Exodus 32:14 Then the Lord relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.

Judges 2:18 Whenever the Lord raised up a judge for them, he was with the judge and saved them out of the hands of their enemies as long as the judge lived; for the Lord relented because of their groaning under those who oppressed and afflicted them.

2 Samuel 24:16 When the angel stretched out his hand to destroy Jerusalem, the Lord relented concerning the disaster and said to the angel who was afflicting the people, “Enough! Withdraw your hand.” The angel of the Lord was then at the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite. (An act of obedience)

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things.

Matthew 4:10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’” 11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him. ( another act of obedience)


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    #23555987 - 08/19/16 06:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Is this motherfucker really trying to prove the existence of God in a thread called 'Democrats?'

God isnt real, take that shit to the conspiracy sub.


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    #23556167 - 08/19/16 08:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Is this motherfucker really trying to prove the existence of God in a thread called 'Democrats?'

God isnt real, take that shit to the conspiracy sub.




I know that Democrats doesn't believe in God, because they only believes in the devil real strongly. But I was trying to see if I can get the Democrats employees that are trolling the internet to crossover into the light, so that we do not have to worry about those Democratic leaders making sacrifices to their god. But you cannot blame me for trying to bring you all over onto the side of the Light.







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    #23556175 - 08/19/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:doublefacepalm:


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I know that Democrats doesn't believe in God, because they only believes in the devil real strongly. But I was trying to see if I can get the Democrats employees that are trolling the internet to crossover into the light, so that we do not have to worry about those Democratic leaders making sacrifices to their god. But you cannot blame me for trying to bring you all over onto the side of the Light.



   
    It's hard to figure out how many different gods people believe in across the world . There are roughly 4200 different religions currently practiced . It's almost impossible to pin down how many gods humans have believed in throughout our history , 15 to 20,000 maybe ?
   
    What I'm getting at here is that you and I are almost both  atheists . I only believe in one less God than you .


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    #23556646 - 08/19/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah but his god is the real god, it says so in thr bible.


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All through the scriptures, God always have shown mercy, and which to show mercy is an act of change. From passing judgment into forgiveness. In those days, the people had thought that all things were of the Lord, and which it were true in some ways. They had called the Destroyer( satan) and angel of the Lord, or from the Lord. It is because God controls it. And everytime when God unleashed it on the people, He turn from his anger, and make it stop what it was made to do. And so that is having a change of heart. But we are the ones that are stiff-neck people as it says. That it is hard for us to turn from our wicked ways. And it is hard for us to show repentance ( And which repentance means to turn from being prideful of our wicked deeds, and to become humble or to show that we are ashamed of our wicked deeds). But God's verdict has came in, and it has shown that we loves darkness over the Light. And the only ones that are saved, are the ones that doesn't truly loves their life of being wicked, because of their spirit is not running alongside with their bodies. It is actually running against it.

Exodus 32:14 Then the Lord relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.

Judges 2:18 Whenever the Lord raised up a judge for them, he was with the judge and saved them out of the hands of their enemies as long as the judge lived; for the Lord relented because of their groaning under those who oppressed and afflicted them.

2 Samuel 24:16 When the angel stretched out his hand to destroy Jerusalem, the Lord relented concerning the disaster and said to the angel who was afflicting the people, “Enough! Withdraw your hand.” The angel of the Lord was then at the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite. (An act of obedience)

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things.

Matthew 4:10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’” 11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him. ( another act of obedience)




You literally proved nothing here. God only forgives under repentance. That still means his views are the same. You will go to hell unless you repent and go marry your rapist.


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    #23557598 - 08/19/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Is this motherfucker really trying to prove the existence of God in a thread called 'Democrats?'

God isnt real, take that shit to the conspiracy sub.




I know that Democrats doesn't believe in God, because they only believes in the devil real strongly. But I was trying to see if I can get the Democrats employees that are trolling the internet to crossover into the light, so that we do not have to worry about those Democratic leaders making sacrifices to their god. But you cannot blame me for trying to bring you all over onto the side of the Light.







And there's a God, but you just cannot see this Good force, but it is there.



Matthew 8:27 The men were amazed and asked, “What kind of man is this? Even the winds and the waves obey him!”




Funny. Sec.Clinton is the candidate that has long shown that God and helping others is important. She picked a VP who has a long history of "doing God's work". The same cannot be said of the republican candidate. So if you want to talk God in a thread named "Democrats" then make some fucking sense. http://religionnews.com/2016/01/29/hillary-clinton-religion-methodist/ ;    http://religionnews.com/2016/07/22/5-faith-facts-about-tim-kaine-i-do-what-i-do-for-spiritual-reasons/
To be real, I do not read religionnews.com but your claim that "Democrats doesn't believe in God" is stupid.

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spock said:
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Douglas Howard said:
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The Ecstatic said:
Is this motherfucker really trying to prove the existence of God in a thread called 'Democrats?'

God isnt real, take that shit to the conspiracy sub.




I know that Democrats doesn't believe in God, because they only believes in the devil real strongly. But I was trying to see if I can get the Democrats employees that are trolling the internet to crossover into the light, so that we do not have to worry about those Democratic leaders making sacrifices to their god. But you cannot blame me for trying to bring you all over onto the side of the Light.







And there's a God, but you just cannot see this Good force, but it is there.



Matthew 8:27 The men were amazed and asked, “What kind of man is this? Even the winds and the waves obey him!”




Funny. Sec.Clinton is the candidate that has long shown that God and helping others is important. She picked a VP who has a long history of "doing God's work". The same cannot be said of the republican candidate. So if you want to talk God in a thread named "Democrats" then make some fucking sense. http://religionnews.com/2016/01/29/hillary-clinton-religion-methodist/ ;    http://religionnews.com/2016/07/22/5-faith-facts-about-tim-kaine-i-do-what-i-do-for-spiritual-reasons/
To be real, I do not read religionnews.com but your claim that "Democrats doesn't believe in God" is stupid.

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    #23558845 - 08/20/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)



Hillary Clinton has threatened to shut down alternative news websites in America if she is elected President of the United States.  http://yournewswire.com/hillary-clinton-vows-to-shut-down-alternative-media/


If Hilary Clinton is such a liberal, then why is she always tryinng to censor things? https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AwrBT7e67bdXRDMAWg9XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyMm43aWFsBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjE5MTBfMQRzZWMDc2M-?qid=20071101151920AAFtfI4



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    #23558878 - 08/20/16 12:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No surprise there, liberals have been rallying against free speech for decades


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    #23558915 - 08/20/16 01:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Hillary Clinton has threatened to shut down alternative news websites in America if she is elected President of the United States.

If Hilary Clinton is such a liberal, then why is she always tryinng to censor things?



First of all Hillary is not a true liberal, but a neoliberal.

Second, I'd really like to see you prove she said anything close to what you posted above, like a video, or even a quote taken in context.



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    #23558975 - 08/20/16 01:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Well, Trump seem as a person that cannot lie. He even says stuff that he can get himself into trouble.





:orly: He's been caught in many lies, and often contradicts himself too.


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    #23558976 - 08/20/16 01:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

And tell, where do you get your source of information from, CBS?


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    #23558983 - 08/20/16 01:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Uh, nope, but I do frequent sites like RealClearpolitics.com, Christian Science Monitor and the like. May I ask what your news sources are?


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    #23558986 - 08/20/16 01:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Well, Trump seem as a person that cannot lie. He even says stuff that he can get himself into trouble.





:orly: He's been caught in many lies, and often contradicts himself too.




POst all of Trump's lies and all of hillary's lies....

You guys need to quit. Did you not heard that hillary isn't going to be paying internet trolls to help spread disinformation anymore. Because she is losing the war a information still. And so why keep on trolling when they are not going to pay anymore. Unless you are trying to keep hope alive.




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    #23558995 - 08/20/16 01:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Uh, nope, but I do frequent sites like RealClearpolitics.com, Christian Science Monitor and the like. May I ask what your news sources are?




Come on now, we know that you only reads from an troll's handbook.


GOV'T HANDBOOK FOR INTERNET TROLLS UNCOVERED http://www.wnd.com/2014/02/govt-handbook-for-internet-trolls-uncovered/


The Troll Handbook  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rick-overton/the-trolls-handbook_b_100098.html

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    #23559021 - 08/20/16 01:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Protip: Just because someone doesn't agree with you does not make them a troll.


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    #23559250 - 08/20/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Also, never source wnd.com


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Hillary Clinton has threatened to shut down alternative news websites in America if she is elected President of the United States.

If Hilary Clinton is such a liberal, then why is she always tryinng to censor things?



First of all Hillary is not a true liberal, but a neoliberal.

Second, I'd really like to see you prove she said anything close to what you posted above, like a video, or even a quote taken in context.









That is actually an EXCELLENT news clip!  :thumbup:

However, it doesn't support your original statement that "Hillary Clinton has threatened to shut down alternative news websites in America if she is elected President of the United States."


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Also, never source wnd.com




Or any source that disagrees with progressive dogma, it will automatically be discredited so they can keep their heads in the sand


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Douglas Howard said:
Hillary Clinton has threatened to shut down alternative news websites in America if she is elected President of the United States.

If Hilary Clinton is such a liberal, then why is she always tryinng to censor things?



First of all Hillary is not a true liberal, but a neoliberal.

Second, I'd really like to see you prove she said anything close to what you posted above, like a video, or even a quote taken in context.









That is actually an EXCELLENT news clip!  :thumbup:

However, it doesn't support your original statement that "Hillary Clinton has threatened to shut down alternative news websites in America if she is elected President of the United States."



I see that you doesn't watch Alex Jones in the mornings with a cup of hot coffee. The freedom of speech is only in our constitution. And so if other countries control it, then the internet can be censor.


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    #23559633 - 08/20/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I see that you doesn't watch Alex Jones in the mornings with a cup of hot coffee. The freedom of speech is only in our constitution. And so if other countries control it, then the internet can be censor.


US ready to 'hand over' the internet's naming system http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37114313






Who cares about control of the internet naming system?  According to your articles, it simply means other countries get a larger voice on the internet.  That's the OPPOSITE of censorship.


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    #23560370 - 08/20/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Progressives love the idea of giving US sovereignty over to other nations, case in point as mentioned above, also see TPP, and Kyoto accord


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Progressives love the idea of giving US sovereignty over to other nations, case in point as mentioned above, also see TPP, and Kyoto accord




Kyoto is worthless, and I dont know if you occasionally peak out from under your rock or not, but Sanders and his supporters have been regularly speaking out against the TPP.


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I see that you doesn't watch Alex Jones in the mornings with a cup of hot coffee. The freedom of speech is only in our constitution. And so if other countries control it, then the internet can be censor.


US ready to 'hand over' the internet's naming system http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37114313






Who cares about control of the internet naming system?  According to your articles, it simply means other countries get a larger voice on the internet.  That's the OPPOSITE of censorship.




If they controls the internet, that they will not be needing trolls anymore. The trolls will have to go back watching their favorite hockey team plays against the Halifax wolverines without having a job anymore.



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    #23561692 - 08/20/16 11:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Is sanders running for president? Hillary supports it, sanders gave his support to her. Trump oppososes it, last i checked, no progressives are biting for him.

So where is all this opposition to TPP?

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Is sanders running for president? Hillary supports it, sanders gave his support to her. Trump oppososes it, last i checked, no progressives are biting for him.

So where is all this opposition to TPP?

If you support the party, you support the platform




Sanders is ONLY supporting Hillary to keep a bigot out of the office. Last time I checked, 20% of Bernie supporters are biting for Trump moron. I am one of those strictly because he opposes the TPP. Other than that he is a moron. And to say "if you support a party you support the platform" is also retarded. A lot of republicans had an issue voting for Trump in the primaries and a lot of democrats won't vote for Hillary now. Hillary won't even get 50% of Bernie's supporters. Last time I checked Bernie supporters were democrats. You don't know facts do you?


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Is sanders running for president? Hillary supports it, sanders gave his support to her. Trump oppososes it, last i checked, no progressives are biting for him.

So where is all this opposition to TPP?

If you support the party, you support the platform




Sanders is ONLY supporting Hillary to keep a bigot out of the office. Last time I checked, 20% of Bernie supporters are biting for Trump moron. I am one of those strictly because he opposes the TPP. Other than that he is a moron. And to say "if you support a party you support the platform" is also retarded. A lot of republicans had an issue voting for Trump in the primaries and a lot of democrats won't vote for Hillary now. Hillary won't even get 50% of Bernie's supporters. Last time I checked Bernie supporters were democrats. You don't know facts do you?




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Is sanders running for president? Hillary supports it, sanders gave his support to her. Trump oppososes it, last i checked, no progressives are biting for him.

So where is all this opposition to TPP?

If you support the party, you support the platform




Thats horseshit.

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:rofl2:  :rofl2:  :rofl2:

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:lol: Anderson Copper really grilled her good.


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Is sanders running for president? Hillary supports it, sanders gave his support to her. Trump oppososes it, last i checked, no progressives are biting for him.

So where is all this opposition to TPP?

If you support the party, you support the platform




Sanders and Warren will attempt to keep Hillary honest regarding the TPP. The left will push(pull?) her on issues of concern. Trade agreements aren't always all bad. I trust Elizabeth Warren's opinion if/when the agreement is changed in such a way that it doesn't do as much damage to American Workers. If Hillary were to push the TPP through as is she knows she will not get reelected. The left's voice was made clear and Hillary can't ignore it and get reelected.

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If Hillary were to push the TPP through as is she knows she will not get reelected. The left's voice was made clear and Hillary can't ignore it and get reelected.



Actually, she can push TPP through as is for her corporate donors.  Here's how she (and her establishment allies) might do it:

Obama Provokes Progressive Outrage with All-Out TPP Push


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If Hillary were to push the TPP through as is she knows she will not get reelected. The left's voice was made clear and Hillary can't ignore it and get reelected.



Actually, she can push TPP through as is for her corporate donors.  Here's how she (and her establishment allies) might do it:

Obama Provokes Progressive Outrage with All-Out TPP Push




But still get reelected?
Obama pushing it through scares me. And I like Obama. A lot. I personally am against TPP but do not believe it is some nefarious plot to screw America.

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    #23563423 - 08/21/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Theres steam building with the anti-TPP push.


Better for Obama to shove it through now than for the disapproval to snowball and then Hillary has trouble after January.

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spock said:
If Hillary were to push the TPP through as is she knows she will not get reelected. The left's voice was made clear and Hillary can't ignore it and get reelected.



Actually, she can push TPP through as is for her corporate donors.  Here's how she (and her establishment allies) might do it:

Obama Provokes Progressive Outrage with All-Out TPP Push




But still get reelected?
Obama pushing it through scares me. And I like Obama. A lot. I personally am against TPP but do not believe it is some nefarious plot to screw America.

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If she passes TPP, the American voters won't give a shit when it's time for re election.

I seen polls when Obamacare was passed that indicated 60% of Americans opposed, that shit head still got re elected. One thing is for sure, democrats talk a good game, but when it comes time to vote against the GOP, they ALWAYS rally.


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Re: Democrats. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23563494 - 08/21/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If Hillary were to push the TPP through as is she knows she will not get reelected. The left's voice was made clear and Hillary can't ignore it and get reelected.



Actually, she can push TPP through as is for her corporate donors.  Here's how she (and her establishment allies) might do it:

Obama Provokes Progressive Outrage with All-Out TPP Push




But still get reelected?
Obama pushing it through scares me. And I like Obama. A lot. I personally am against TPP but do not believe it is some nefarious plot to screw America.

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Spock




If she passes TPP, the American voters won't give a shit when it's time for re election.

I seen polls when Obamacare was passed that indicated 60% of Americans opposed, that shit head still got re elected. One thing is for sure, democrats talk a good game, but when it comes time to vote against the GOP, they ALWAYS rally.




I think most dems wanted the ACA. I did. Also 2020 she'd be challenged in the primary if she passes tpp as it is now written. The left would turn their back on her for someone else. Then we'd rally. She'd also not be as luck as this year running against a nutjob like trump.

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Re: Democrats. [Re: spock]
    #23563536 - 08/21/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Actually, she can push TPP through as is for her corporate donors.  Here's how she (and her establishment allies) might do it:

Obama Provokes Progressive Outrage with All-Out TPP Push




But still get reelected?



Of course.  Now Hillary can just blame it on Obama (even though she was clearly for TPP in the past).

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Obama pushing it through scares me. And I like Obama. A lot. I personally am against TPP but do not believe it is some nefarious plot to screw America.



No, not a nefarious plat to screw America.  A nefarious plot to make the corporations wealthier.  Screwing America is just an unfortunate consequence.


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Re: Democrats. [Re: spock]
    #23563579 - 08/21/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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spock said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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spock said:
If Hillary were to push the TPP through as is she knows she will not get reelected. The left's voice was made clear and Hillary can't ignore it and get reelected.



Actually, she can push TPP through as is for her corporate donors.  Here's how she (and her establishment allies) might do it:

Obama Provokes Progressive Outrage with All-Out TPP Push




But still get reelected?
Obama pushing it through scares me. And I like Obama. A lot. I personally am against TPP but do not believe it is some nefarious plot to screw America.

Peace
Spock




Yeah it is a plot to fuck over US workers, but for US shareholders it's going to be wonderful, Obama is a bought and paid for puppet owned by the elite, why would you like a sellout like that?


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Re: Democrats. [Re: spock]
    #23563594 - 08/21/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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spock said:
If Hillary were to push the TPP through as is she knows she will not get reelected. The left's voice was made clear and Hillary can't ignore it and get reelected.



Actually, she can push TPP through as is for her corporate donors.  Here's how she (and her establishment allies) might do it:

Obama Provokes Progressive Outrage with All-Out TPP Push




But still get reelected?
Obama pushing it through scares me. And I like Obama. A lot. I personally am against TPP but do not believe it is some nefarious plot to screw America.

Peace
Spock




If she passes TPP, the American voters won't give a shit when it's time for re election.

I seen polls when Obamacare was passed that indicated 60% of Americans opposed, that shit head still got re elected. One thing is for sure, democrats talk a good game, but when it comes time to vote against the GOP, they ALWAYS rally.




I think most dems wanted the ACA. I did. Also 2020 she'd be challenged in the primary if she passes tpp as it is now written. The left would turn their back on her for someone else. Then we'd rally. She'd also not be as luck as this year running against a nutjob like trump.

Peace
Spock




"I think most dems wanted the ACA"

Like most Republicans, their corporate sponsors wanted the ACA!! 

"I did"

Do you own health care related stocks?  Because unless you do, you're getting screwed.

The Dems had a chance to vote in Bernie and pissed on it.


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Re: Democrats. [Re: spock]
    #23563847 - 08/21/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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spock said:
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If Hillary were to push the TPP through as is she knows she will not get reelected. The left's voice was made clear and Hillary can't ignore it and get reelected.



Actually, she can push TPP through as is for her corporate donors.  Here's how she (and her establishment allies) might do it:

Obama Provokes Progressive Outrage with All-Out TPP Push




But still get reelected?
Obama pushing it through scares me. And I like Obama. A lot. I personally am against TPP but do not believe it is some nefarious plot to screw America.

Peace
Spock




If she passes TPP, the American voters won't give a shit when it's time for re election.

I seen polls when Obamacare was passed that indicated 60% of Americans opposed, that shit head still got re elected. One thing is for sure, democrats talk a good game, but when it comes time to vote against the GOP, they ALWAYS rally.




I think most dems wanted the ACA. I did. Also 2020 she'd be challenged in the primary if she passes tpp as it is now written. The left would turn their back on her for someone else. Then we'd rally. She'd also not be as luck as this year running against a nutjob like trump.

Peace
Spock




BS, when has an encumbment actually been seriously challenged by their own party?

And I said "Americans", not democrats. Of course democrats did, they love screwing the middle class


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Re: Democrats. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23565212 - 08/22/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

implying democrats arent Americans?


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Re: Democrats. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23565961 - 08/22/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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implying democrats arent Americans?




Wow, really?


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    #23567105 - 08/22/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Funny. Sec.Clinton is the candidate that has long shown that God and helping others is important.

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Give us a fucking break dude. :lolsy:


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