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hostileuniverse said: Is sanders running for president? Hillary supports it, sanders gave his support to her. Trump oppososes it, last i checked, no progressives are biting for him.
So where is all this opposition to TPP?
If you support the party, you support the platform
Thats horseshit.
Just because Sanders didnt get the nomination doesnt mean all his supporters changed their mind on the tpp.
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spock
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hostileuniverse said: Is sanders running for president? Hillary supports it, sanders gave his support to her. Trump oppososes it, last i checked, no progressives are biting for him.
So where is all this opposition to TPP?
If you support the party, you support the platform
Sanders and Warren will attempt to keep Hillary honest regarding the TPP. The left will push(pull?) her on issues of concern. Trade agreements aren't always all bad. I trust Elizabeth Warren's opinion if/when the agreement is changed in such a way that it doesn't do as much damage to American Workers. If Hillary were to push the TPP through as is she knows she will not get reelected. The left's voice was made clear and Hillary can't ignore it and get reelected.
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Re: Democrats. [Re: spock]
#23563310 - 08/21/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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spock said: If Hillary were to push the TPP through as is she knows she will not get reelected. The left's voice was made clear and Hillary can't ignore it and get reelected.
Actually, she can push TPP through as is for her corporate donors. Here's how she (and her establishment allies) might do it:
Obama Provokes Progressive Outrage with All-Out TPP Push
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spock said: If Hillary were to push the TPP through as is she knows she will not get reelected. The left's voice was made clear and Hillary can't ignore it and get reelected.
Actually, she can push TPP through as is for her corporate donors. Here's how she (and her establishment allies) might do it:
Obama Provokes Progressive Outrage with All-Out TPP Push
But still get reelected? Obama pushing it through scares me. And I like Obama. A lot. I personally am against TPP but do not believe it is some nefarious plot to screw America.
Peace Spock
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Re: Democrats. [Re: spock] 1
#23563423 - 08/21/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Theres steam building with the anti-TPP push.
Better for Obama to shove it through now than for the disapproval to snowball and then Hillary has trouble after January.
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Re: Democrats. [Re: spock]
#23563440 - 08/21/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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spock said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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spock said: If Hillary were to push the TPP through as is she knows she will not get reelected. The left's voice was made clear and Hillary can't ignore it and get reelected.
Actually, she can push TPP through as is for her corporate donors. Here's how she (and her establishment allies) might do it:
Obama Provokes Progressive Outrage with All-Out TPP Push
But still get reelected? Obama pushing it through scares me. And I like Obama. A lot. I personally am against TPP but do not believe it is some nefarious plot to screw America.
Peace Spock
If she passes TPP, the American voters won't give a shit when it's time for re election.
I seen polls when Obamacare was passed that indicated 60% of Americans opposed, that shit head still got re elected. One thing is for sure, democrats talk a good game, but when it comes time to vote against the GOP, they ALWAYS rally.
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hostileuniverse said:
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spock said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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spock said: If Hillary were to push the TPP through as is she knows she will not get reelected. The left's voice was made clear and Hillary can't ignore it and get reelected.
Actually, she can push TPP through as is for her corporate donors. Here's how she (and her establishment allies) might do it:
Obama Provokes Progressive Outrage with All-Out TPP Push
But still get reelected? Obama pushing it through scares me. And I like Obama. A lot. I personally am against TPP but do not believe it is some nefarious plot to screw America.
Peace Spock
If she passes TPP, the American voters won't give a shit when it's time for re election.
I seen polls when Obamacare was passed that indicated 60% of Americans opposed, that shit head still got re elected. One thing is for sure, democrats talk a good game, but when it comes time to vote against the GOP, they ALWAYS rally.
I think most dems wanted the ACA. I did. Also 2020 she'd be challenged in the primary if she passes tpp as it is now written. The left would turn their back on her for someone else. Then we'd rally. She'd also not be as luck as this year running against a nutjob like trump.
Peace Spock
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Re: Democrats. [Re: spock]
#23563536 - 08/21/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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spock said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Actually, she can push TPP through as is for her corporate donors. Here's how she (and her establishment allies) might do it:
Obama Provokes Progressive Outrage with All-Out TPP Push
But still get reelected?
Of course. Now Hillary can just blame it on Obama (even though she was clearly for TPP in the past).
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spock said: Obama pushing it through scares me. And I like Obama. A lot. I personally am against TPP but do not believe it is some nefarious plot to screw America.
No, not a nefarious plat to screw America. A nefarious plot to make the corporations wealthier. Screwing America is just an unfortunate consequence.
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Re: Democrats. [Re: spock]
#23563579 - 08/21/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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spock said:
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spock said: If Hillary were to push the TPP through as is she knows she will not get reelected. The left's voice was made clear and Hillary can't ignore it and get reelected.
Actually, she can push TPP through as is for her corporate donors. Here's how she (and her establishment allies) might do it:
Obama Provokes Progressive Outrage with All-Out TPP Push
But still get reelected? Obama pushing it through scares me. And I like Obama. A lot. I personally am against TPP but do not believe it is some nefarious plot to screw America.
Peace Spock
Yeah it is a plot to fuck over US workers, but for US shareholders it's going to be wonderful, Obama is a bought and paid for puppet owned by the elite, why would you like a sellout like that?
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Re: Democrats. [Re: spock]
#23563594 - 08/21/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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spock said: If Hillary were to push the TPP through as is she knows she will not get reelected. The left's voice was made clear and Hillary can't ignore it and get reelected.
Actually, she can push TPP through as is for her corporate donors. Here's how she (and her establishment allies) might do it:
Obama Provokes Progressive Outrage with All-Out TPP Push
But still get reelected? Obama pushing it through scares me. And I like Obama. A lot. I personally am against TPP but do not believe it is some nefarious plot to screw America.
Peace Spock
If she passes TPP, the American voters won't give a shit when it's time for re election.
I seen polls when Obamacare was passed that indicated 60% of Americans opposed, that shit head still got re elected. One thing is for sure, democrats talk a good game, but when it comes time to vote against the GOP, they ALWAYS rally.
I think most dems wanted the ACA. I did. Also 2020 she'd be challenged in the primary if she passes tpp as it is now written. The left would turn their back on her for someone else. Then we'd rally. She'd also not be as luck as this year running against a nutjob like trump.
Peace Spock
"I think most dems wanted the ACA"
Like most Republicans, their corporate sponsors wanted the ACA!!
"I did"
Do you own health care related stocks? Because unless you do, you're getting screwed.
The Dems had a chance to vote in Bernie and pissed on it.
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Re: Democrats. [Re: spock]
#23563847 - 08/21/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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spock said:
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hostileuniverse said: If Hillary were to push the TPP through as is she knows she will not get reelected. The left's voice was made clear and Hillary can't ignore it and get reelected.
Actually, she can push TPP through as is for her corporate donors. Here's how she (and her establishment allies) might do it:
Obama Provokes Progressive Outrage with All-Out TPP Push
But still get reelected? Obama pushing it through scares me. And I like Obama. A lot. I personally am against TPP but do not believe it is some nefarious plot to screw America.
Peace Spock
If she passes TPP, the American voters won't give a shit when it's time for re election.
I seen polls when Obamacare was passed that indicated 60% of Americans opposed, that shit head still got re elected. One thing is for sure, democrats talk a good game, but when it comes time to vote against the GOP, they ALWAYS rally.
I think most dems wanted the ACA. I did. Also 2020 she'd be challenged in the primary if she passes tpp as it is now written. The left would turn their back on her for someone else. Then we'd rally. She'd also not be as luck as this year running against a nutjob like trump.
Peace Spock
BS, when has an encumbment actually been seriously challenged by their own party?
And I said "Americans", not democrats. Of course democrats did, they love screwing the middle class
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implying democrats arent Americans?
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The Ecstatic said: implying democrats arent Americans?
Wow, really?
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Re: Democrats. [Re: spock] 2
#23567105 - 08/22/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Funny. Sec.Clinton is the candidate that has long shown that God and helping others is important.
Peace Spock
Give us a fucking break dude.
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