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Re: What would it take for you to be a racist? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23473663 - 07/24/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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demiu5 said: racism is ignorance, through and through.
no, racism is a personal philosophy that could be based in a multitude of influencing factors such as friends, family and life experiences, to write it off as simply ignorance is in fact ignorance
i disagree. i see racism as writing off a whole based on a few
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Re: What would it take for you to be a racist? [Re: demiu5]
#23473678 - 07/24/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It doesn't have to be criminal
Like in my example, lets say all Sri Lankans are relatively stupid. But what about the representation of Sri Lankans in our government? Who stands up for them? Are they allowed to stand up for themselves in some weird program where we save seats in the House for those goddamn Sri Lankans?
I think we've gotten to the point where relative merit is no longer the issue. But maybe I'm wrong?
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Re: What would it take for you to be a racist? [Re: bloodsheen]
#23473687 - 07/24/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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bloodsheen said: White people believed for centuries that black people were literally inferior. If you showed someone a random restaurant in New York City from today two hundred years ago, they would think it was a joke. If you were able to break through their imbecilic logic and explain to them why all races are equal it would completely blow their world apart. They would have no idea how to proceed.
But what if the opposite happened? What if we found unequivocal evidence that one race was inferior? I'll use a random group nobody cares about... Sri Lankans.
So what if Sri Lankans were literally dumber than every other race? Would it matter? Would racism be acceptable if there was proof they were worse? We obviously don't treat dogs or cats with as much care and "sacredness" as we do with human life. If a race were inferior, would they get some status in-between animals and humans? Should we make laws giving them special protections the way we do with disabled groups?
Discuss intelligently
There is quite a bit of evidence pointing to africans and their decendants being less intelligent than other races. There's also evidence pointing to whites being less intelligent than asians. This doesn't necessarily make any race inferior but just goes to show there are differences between races.
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No they are not "equal" because they are different genetically. It doesn't mean one race is superior, but it could mean one race is better at functioning in modern society than another race.
Lets assume your premise is 100% correct. What then? What do we do with those that aren't as good at functioning in society?
As Qman said, if they break the law then they face the consequences through the judicial system. People are entitled to their beliefs so long as they do not harm anyone. What do you propose? Make certain beliefs illegal? That is a slipperly slope.
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Re: What would it take for you to be a racist? [Re: bloodsheen]
#23473703 - 07/24/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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bloodsheen said: It doesn't have to be criminal
Like in my example, lets say all Sri Lankans are relatively stupid. But what about the representation of Sri Lankans in our government? Who stands up for them? Are they allowed to stand up for themselves in some weird program where we save seats in the House for those goddamn Sri Lankans?
I think we've gotten to the point where relative merit is no longer the issue. But maybe I'm wrong?
Many people believe in preferential treatment for any group that under performs in certain areas of life, I don't agree with that sentiment.
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Re: What would it take for you to be a racist? [Re: bloodsheen]
#23473714 - 07/24/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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bloodsheen said: It doesn't have to be criminal
Like in my example, lets say all Sri Lankans are relatively stupid. But what about the representation of Sri Lankans in our government? Who stands up for them? Are they allowed to stand up for themselves in some weird program where we save seats in the House for those goddamn Sri Lankans?
I think we've gotten to the point where relative merit is no longer the issue. But maybe I'm wrong?
stupidity deserves poorer treatment? does blatant inferiority deserve to be abused, taken advantage of, or treated differently?
as far as cats and dogs, let's just say pets.....my last cat was absolutely my equal. she had a helluva personality and didn't take shit. she showed emotion, frustration, contentment, joy. she was subject to the same environmental factors as myself, ultimately dying by the fang of a rattlesnake, a fate i could also endure.
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Re: What would it take for you to be a racist? [Re: qman]
#23473747 - 07/24/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I find our many completely meaningless hierarchys to be fascinating. We still have the same society as chimps, just the uber-complicated version.
If anyone has seen the movie Gattaca, it sort of inspired this thread. They took genetic manipulation so far that 'regular' humans were objectively worse and it made for a complicated society (that the movie did a totally miserable job at expounding on).
Also what inspired this thread was that fucking "handi-capable" garbage. My father is wheelchair bound and goddammit hes crippled. He doesn't have random special magical skills that normally-abled people don't have, hes just worse than he was when he was full-abled.
Whats really fucking with me is the idea of a whole RACE of people who were objectively worse. We can deal with a few million disabled people on the earth, but what if an entire goddamn lineage was awful? It would really complicate things I think /
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Re: What would it take for you to be a racist? [Re: demiu5]
#23473760 - 07/24/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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bloodsheen said: It doesn't have to be criminal
Like in my example, lets say all Sri Lankans are relatively stupid. But what about the representation of Sri Lankans in our government? Who stands up for them? Are they allowed to stand up for themselves in some weird program where we save seats in the House for those goddamn Sri Lankans?
I think we've gotten to the point where relative merit is no longer the issue. But maybe I'm wrong?
stupidity deserves poorer treatment? does blatant inferiority deserve to be abused, taken advantage of, or treated differently?
as far as cats and dogs, let's just say pets.....my last cat was absolutely my equal. she had a helluva personality and didn't take shit. she showed emotion, frustration, contentment, joy. she was subject to the same environmental factors as myself, ultimately dying by the fang of a rattlesnake, a fate i could also endure.
So you're saying given the chance, you'd consider the value of your own life to be the same as your cat's? Like, if a second before that snake-strike God himself freezes time and gives you the chance to give your life for your cat... you do it? I would give my life for maybe half a dozen people but I would sacrifice a million dogs to save my own life... I fucking love dogs and it would haunt me for the rest of my life but I would do it all the same
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Re: What would it take for you to be a racist? [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#23473768 - 07/24/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: so everyone stereotyping cops is because those doing the stereotyping are ignorant
Stop acting like being a cop is an immutable trait.
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Re: What would it take for you to be a racist? [Re: bloodsheen]
#23473770 - 07/24/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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yes
her life was no more precious than my own, my life no more precious than hers
we all share life
now would i do the same for an animal i had no connection with, including a human? probably not
edit: as far as chimps go....humans have found individual "tribes" of chimpanzees to wage war on another "tribe." this includes fashioning weapons, and killing females/juveniles, in effort to take over their territory/resources, as their "tribes" grow on the fringes of one another
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Re: What would it take for you to be a racist? [Re: demiu5]
#23473792 - 07/24/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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demiu5 said: yes
her life was no more precious than my own, my life no more precious than hers
we all share life
now would i do the same for an animal i had no connection with, including a human? probably not
Facinating
You're really kinda throwing a wrench in my idea but I'm glad you are.
I would sacrifice nobody to save my parents, they are old and old people die. But my sister? I'd probably be willing to let at least a few people die for her. I wouldn't consider their lives inferior but, like, fuck those guys you know? My sister means more to me than anyone on earth, the death of a couple faceless humans to have her remain in my life? Shit man, I never really thought about it before but I'd totally murder an innocent person for my sister.
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Re: What would it take for you to be a racist? [Re: bloodsheen]
#23473812 - 07/24/16 09:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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her life was no more precious than my own, my life no more precious than hers
we all share life
now would i do the same for an animal i had no connection with, including a human? probably not
Facinating
You're really kinda throwing a wrench in my idea but I'm glad you are.
I would sacrifice nobody to save my parents, they are old and old people die. But my sister? I'd probably be willing to let at least a few people die for her. I wouldn't consider their lives inferior but, like, fuck those guys you know? My sister means more to me than anyone on earth, the death of a couple faceless humans to have her remain in my life? Shit man, I never really thought about it before but I'd totally murder an innocent person for my sister.
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to some degree, i have to agree with you here. i'm an "ageist" in the sense of life and experience. i've never met my niece, but i'd gladly lay down my life if hers was at stake. i've experienced much in this life, whereas she hasn't. i'd trade my life for my brother's, but only because he is my niece's father.
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Re: What would it take for you to be a racist? [Re: demiu5]
#23473823 - 07/24/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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What would it take for me to be a racist? 14 years in the food service industry has worked pretty well in that regard. But obviously, racism must'nt be generalized but rather segmented based upon notable differences in experience within those particular fractions. And i think that people should base their perceptions ov life upon their experience(even if it's racist) instead ov the fear ov judgement(ov being labeled a racist). And that when there is a marked difference in culture that is attributed not to being ov a particular race, but rather living to the expectations ov fellow members ov that race, that those persons should strive to abolish racism by working to shatter their own inferiorities and inferior expectations from all factions. If we're looking to dissolve racism as a society, then the responsibility rests on everyone to live through experience rather than labels.
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Re: What would it take for you to be a racist? [Re: larry.fisherman]
#23473844 - 07/24/16 09:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: so everyone stereotyping cops is because those doing the stereotyping are ignorant

that would also mean that white privilege is a lie
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Re: What would it take for you to be a racist? [Re: demiu5]
#23473877 - 07/24/16 10:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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demiu5 said: racism is ignorance, through and through.
no, racism is a personal philosophy that could be based in a multitude of influencing factors such as friends, family and life experiences, to write it off as simply ignorance is in fact ignorance
i disagree. i see racism as writing off a whole based on a few
disagree all you want but is it a few?
56% of the crime in the US comes from 13% of the population. is that a few? does it matter who the 'few' is if someone is a victim. as I already stated, it's a personal view for people and you're telling people it's wrong to believe what they do even though their experiences differ from your own, it's no different than someone telling you it's wrong to use illegal drugs because they dont believe it's right
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Re: What would it take for you to be a racist? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23473888 - 07/24/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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wrong?
i never used the word wrong. ignorance doesn't imply wrongness.
also, your statistic is only of those who are caught/prosecuted. if you could find an actual statistic on rate of criminal acts, the numbers would be different.
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Re: What would it take for you to be a racist? [Re: demiu5] 1
#23473949 - 07/24/16 10:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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demiu5 said: wrong?
i never used the word wrong. ignorance doesn't imply wrongness.
ignorance does imply wrongness
ignorance means that someone has a lack of knowledge and information, if they form an opinion based on a lack of knowledge or information wouldnt that opinion be wrong?
now if you have a lack of knowledge or information on why someone has decided that they're racist, doesnt that make you ignorant, your opinion based in ignorance would also make you wrong
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also, your statistic is only of those who are caught/prosecuted. if you could find an actual statistic on rate of criminal acts, the numbers would be different.
did you know that you know, when someone is robbed they give a description to the police, do you believe that if the perpetrator is reported as hispanic or white that the cops go looking for black people to arrest for the crime?
were you aware that police take reports and dont simply go out and convict people, in those reports there is frequently a description of the perpetrator, frequently with property crimes it's difficult to ascertain the race of a person but with crimes against persons, it's usually much easier because there's frequently at least one witness, would a person robbed by a white man report them as being black?
it sounds like you're again speaking from ignorance because this comes from a FBI victimization statistic, not from the uniform crime report. it has nothing to do with conviction
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Re: What would it take for you to be a racist? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23473975 - 07/24/16 10:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, nobody lies. Witnesses are very reliable and cops always make sure they have the right guy, 
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Smith's boys disappeared Oct. 25, 1994. That day, she told deputies they had been taken by an unidentified black man during a carjacking and she wept on national television as she begged for their safe return. Smith said she made up the lie to protect the boys' loved ones, not to shield herself. 'I didn't know how to tell the people who loved Michael and Alex'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3171009/I-not-monster-society-thinks-Child-killer-Susan-Smith-murdered-young-sons-feigned-kidnap-black-man-tries-explain-20th-anniversary-life-sentence.html#ixzz4FOO7mxsO
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Re: What would it take for you to be a racist? [Re: koods]
#23473979 - 07/24/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Smith's boys disappeared Oct. 25, 1994. That day, she told deputies they had been taken by an unidentified black man during a carjacking and she wept on national television as she begged for their safe return. Smith said she made up the lie to protect the boys' loved ones, not to shield herself. 'I didn't know how to tell the people who loved Michael and Alex'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3171009/I-not-monster-society-thinks-Child-killer-Susan-Smith-murdered-young-sons-feigned-kidnap-black-man-tries-explain-20th-anniversary-life-sentence.html#ixzz4FOO7mxsO
she wasnt a witness, she was the perpetrator
try coming up with something that actually correlates to reality
didnt they arrest and convict her of the murders?
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Re: What would it take for you to be a racist? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23474005 - 07/24/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hard to imagine this was only 69 years ago.
History has a way of repeating itself.
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Re: What would it take for you to be a racist? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23474030 - 07/24/16 11:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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demiu5 said: wrong?
i never used the word wrong. ignorance doesn't imply wrongness
Ignorance implies evasion. I do'nt like using the crime example as cop culture is as racist as the people they're racist against encourage it. But lets look at it this way hypothetically but with allusion to actuality: Measure all the black cocks and asian cocks in their erect state. Record all the tips blacks and whites who make $40k-$80k per year give to U.S. food service workers. Fact: The blacks will have bigger dicks and a dramatically lower tip average. One is genetic and one is culture based, yet the parties taking down the actual facts are'nt intrinsically racist but just observing. So if someone denies either fact, then they are being ignorant out ov the fear ov being labelled racist. Thus are they working toward heralding falsehood over truth and labels over experience. And what is the root ov racism or any ism? Embracing a label over experience and it works both ways people. So how about this: We work toward being honest individuals who actually try to transcend the limitations imposed and even expected by our respective cultures?
Okay, so the cock example was pretty bad but truthful. A smaller cock absolutely does not imply that it's inferior. I happen to like small asian cocks personally, and not all asians are small obviously. I've been intimate with 88 different guys and the best anal i've ever had was from my smallish thai bestie who used to be my dedicated fwb before he decided to become she and got hitched.
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