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Re: LI vessel (updated with results) [Re: Mr.Caterpillar]
    #23516253 - 08/06/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I just did 3 runs over the last couple of days with this, and I have to say I love it.
First run I did 20 jars, probably 20 ml each, and they are halfway done, I liked it so much I said fuck it and threw 50 lb.s of grain into soaking that night and loaded up 8 lb. bags the next day, and those bags are fucking flying!
I am eating crow now, I have solely done wedges to masters all of my growing life, but I love this alternative for when shit needs to get done, and realizing I could get my 8 lb bags to colonize as fast as G2G. Mind blown.
Thanks for the help munch!!!

Edit, half of those bags were grey oyster and from the looks of it they will be done by the middle of the week!

Edit, just checked and I had one jar I had poured way too much into and it took longer to start, but this morning it's 100%, it probably got 50-100 ml in it


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Re: Liquid Inoculant Vessel [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23516337 - 08/06/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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is it too much to use 2 plates in about 600 ml of water for about 20 jars? It seems like a good idea, but also that much agar in the grains? Do you guys find that an issue?




The amount of agar should not be an issue, though one plate will be adequate for 20 jars, however I would use only 10ml of LI per quart jar.  Too much water in the spawn is not good.



you can use 50ml of LI no problem, if you really wanted to. I've probably dumped 100 or so in a few jars before. Never seen it cause any problems. The jars explode with growth, actually. 100% in like 4-5 days.




I just saw you said that, and you are absolutely right, 100% in 4 days on the jar with 50-100 ml accidentally poured into it, I wouldn't have thought it.


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Re: Liquid Inoculant Vessel [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23516343 - 08/06/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Don't have time to read through this entire thread but I'm just wondering if any of you guys use Whatman filters for LC's?


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Re: Liquid Inoculant Vessel [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #23516346 - 08/06/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Don't have time to read through this entire thread but I'm just wondering if any of you guys use Whatman filters for LC's?




That's what you should be using for LC IMO.


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Re: Liquid Inoculant Vessel [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23516359 - 08/06/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, I'd like to try them next time I have some $$$ to order myco stuff *sigh*

Can I ask why you prefer LC's over LI's?


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Re: Liquid Inoculant Vessel [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #23516373 - 08/06/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Better recovery time.


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Re: Liquid Inoculant Vessel [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #23516377 - 08/06/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I like to LI into a LC but overall LI is more safe and very efficient as far as time and material.

LC's colonize very fast with LI and the extra step is worth it for me

that's the only way i'll ever do a LC again

I still do use just LI occasionally though:shrug:


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Re: Liquid Inoculant Vessel [Re: tombosley8]
    #23516508 - 08/06/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

As far as efficiency goes, LI has kicked every LC ass I have ever dealt with.
Plus it seems to me that the time it takes to propagate LC then inoculate takes more time than wedge to masters, which is how I prefer to everything if Im not in a hurry, the only things Im comfortable storing and using are slants and sometimes dishes that make it to storage.
Pasty, what is your regimen for making LC? Are you making a batch for every run or do you save it and dip into your LC's?
Have you taken LC to large spawn bags?


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Re: Liquid Inoculant Vessel [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23516778 - 08/06/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I avoid simple sugar LC which are very slow to recover and do the culture no favors. Use either malt extract or grain water. LC to bags is fine, I've done it plenty of times.

But we are off topic. LI is great so in keeping with this thread let's talk about that instead.


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Re: Liquid Inoculant Vessel [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23533507 - 08/12/16 01:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Here you guys go, spawn bags 7 days after using the blender and a jar,





I also made master jars properly from wedges the day before as well in case this failed, here is one at day 8



The spawn bags are 7-8 lb.'s.
What I enjoyed about the LI was being able to get a foot on some quick spawn bags while getting traditional masters together at the same time.

I had also took LI to quart jars when I made these bags and they were done and spawned yesterday, 6 days in total for the jars. Gotta say I am now a fan:cool:
Thanks for the help you guys!


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Re: Liquid Inoculant Vessel [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23534512 - 08/12/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have prepared a sub for 3 tubs from 4.5 lb.'s of coco, 1.5 gal. of vermiculite, 3 large cups of gypsum and 3.5 gal. of water using my own tek where I pasteurize roughly 30 lb's (40 or so quarts) of sub in 3 large grow bags in my AA941. I know it doesn't need to be pasteurized, but I am creature of habit and that is one place I have had a hard time changing my old ways.

I am about to do the spawning this morning, this is a run with a lot of firsts, I'm going to try casing and fruiting at spawning, when you guys do this are you doing a typical casing depth or a little thinner? And how quick are you guys seeing pinsets with a higher spawn ratio?


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