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Peyote Road
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Re: Which psychedelic is best for controlling fear? [Re: superbob57]
#23474243 - 07/25/16 01:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The problem with MDMA is the short duration, toxic down down and forceful positive nature meaning it can be difficult to experience and release certain emotions because you feel so pushed into the articially happy state.
thats why I recommend using both mushrooms (or LSD) and MDMA. Not at the same time but back to back.
The mushrooms will help open you up, loosen your ego while the MDMA will help you face the emotional material that arises after the shrooms have opened your mind. I mean like use on of them one weekend and the other the next weekend.
When I took MDMA before I was experienced with mushrooms/LSD I blocked out all the negative emotional material and just enjoyed the buzz from MDMA. Taking mushrooms helped me learn not to supress so when I took MDMA again after that, I got a lot more out of it. Basically mushrooms taught me how to use the psychedelic state for healing and I was able to carry that over to MDMA.
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Re: Which psychedelic is best for controlling fear? [Re: Peyote Road]
#23474266 - 07/25/16 01:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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IME it varies by fear. Of death? Smoked DMT or really high dose mushrooms Of people/socially related? MDMA or higher dose Syrian rue Of speaking? Weed Anything else: Ayahuasca
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Re: Which psychedelic is best for controlling fear? [Re: crissel]
#23474568 - 07/25/16 06:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I definitely think that psychedelics could help you, but I think you're going to need to do a lot more work than just taking a drug and hoping for the best.
+1
i have exactly the same issue like as Hyper. I thought that by just taking shrooms it would help me solve all my problems. But It is not the case. They only showed me the source of my fear/anxiety but i have to resolve it myself. It is getting better.
This is pretty much what I'm trying to do. I need to see the sources.
I'm also pretty good at meditation and visualization.
My plan is to use this skill combined with psychedelics to make it feel more real.
I have not really used psychedelics before. I am interested in them in a general way but this is one of my main intents with them, self discovery.
I think that by visualizing things with fear turned down, I may be able to "rewire" my brain to not use fear so much.
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Re: Which psychedelic is best for controlling fear? [Re: Hyper]
#23474582 - 07/25/16 06:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Probably salvia. Pack a big bowl of it in a bong and rip that shit really really hard!
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Re: Which psychedelic is best for controlling fear? [Re: SyzygisticSoul]
#23474613 - 07/25/16 07:03 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol I'm joking; I def wouldn't recommend you doing salvia... Honestly, I don't know if i'd recommend anyone to do salvia, especially if the are looking for a nice smooth trip.
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Re: Which psychedelic is best for controlling fear? [Re: Eywa_devotee]
#23477975 - 07/26/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Eywa_devotee said: IME it varies by fear. Of death? Smoked DMT or really high dose mushrooms Of people/socially related? MDMA or higher dose Syrian rue Of speaking? Weed Anything else: Ayahuasca
I havent tried syrian rue and I wasnt aware it helped with social fear, can you elaborate on this thanks you?
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Re: Which psychedelic is best for controlling fear? [Re: Peyote Road]
#23478106 - 07/26/16 09:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dont mean force with force, absorb it and use its power. No drugs required.
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Re: Which psychedelic is best for controlling fear? [Re: Hyper]
#23478124 - 07/26/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Psychedelics are not going to fix you, they might drop your guard long enough so that you can see what you have to work on, but you will have to put in the work to overcome your psychological issues, with a sober mind, this will forge lasting change within your psyche.
When we try to fix our problems by drowning it in experiences, we're only getting a temporary fix, like you might have a bad day and go to a concert to let off some steam, but those problems are still going to be there when the music fades.
Anyway, I think the major psychedelics are wonderful for growth, and for myself have found them to be wonderful when I trip alone, and am able to really look within myself without the outside stimuli of a trip buddy. It was LSD that I was taking when I was in my early teen years, which showed me the dangers of many things in my life, mushrooms and mescaline were the two which have provided me with the most insight though.
My life was completely changed in 2009 from a mushrooms trip, then a couple years after that I had a mescaline trip which brought many things into focus, so those two hold a special place in my heart, plus I like the fact that they grow from the earth, no need to have man made junk involved in acquiring the sacraments from them.
I hope you find what you're looking for OP.
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Re: Which psychedelic is best for controlling fear? [Re: Bozko]
#23478222 - 07/26/16 09:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bozko said: For me, LSD and psilocybin have invoked fear, but not in a bad way necessarily. But I believe conventional wisdom is that MDMA and probably to a lesser degree mescaline are more "therapeutic".
I find mescaline serene.
I've never met anyone who said MDMA was more "therapeutic" than LSD or mushrooms especially mushrooms. MDMA is nowhere near as therapeutic as psilocybin.
Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (07/26/16 09:55 AM)
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Re: Which psychedelic is best for controlling fear? [Re: Hyper]
#23478233 - 07/26/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hyper said: I'd say it's more like, I'm too cautious, I always assume the worst will happen.
When I was little I was terrified of monsters and shit. Obviously I'm not anymore lol but fear definitely is a part of my inner psyche that I would like to address using psychedelics. I want to learn how to put my mind at peace.
Yea I would hands down go with mushrooms.
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Re: Which psychedelic is best for controlling fear? [Re: AuroraBorealis88] 1
#23478250 - 07/26/16 10:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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AuroraBorealis88 said: I've never met anyone who said MDMA was more "therapeutic" than LSD or mushrooms especially mushrooms. MDMA is nowhere near as therapeutic as psilocybin.
That might be true for some, but not for everyone.
Look at soldiers who have received MDMA for PTSD, seems promising, now I don't think mushrooms would be good to give them because this could put them in a very negative mindset, cause a very awful bad trip.
http://www.maps.org/news/media/5056-ex-soldiers-are-being-given-mdma-to-help-them-manage-ptsd
Also, further reading on therapeutic use of psychedelics.
http://www.maps.org/research
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Re: Which psychedelic is best for controlling fear? [Re: Lucis]
#23478269 - 07/26/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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How does it curing soldiers of PTSD mean it's more therapeutic? Sure it's more "therapeutic" than most drugs but come on it's nowhere near psilocybin. MDMA for the most part only works that way when it is assisted with therapy. Mushrooms however ARE the therapy. Taking MDMA on your own is probably not going to be that therapeutic.
Also I've had healing experiences on mushrooms that would blow any MDMA experience out of the water. That's like saying MDMA is more healing than ayahuasca. It's just BS and since MDMA feels good it's just easy for people to say.
Mushrooms and Ayahuasca actually have the ability to purge negative emotions and memories that are bottled up and I don't care what you say this does not happen on MDMA. I'm talking literally too, if you actually have the experience you would see how healing and amazing it is. Visually you are shown a painful memory and you have to accept it and after you accept it and relive it it is completely purged from your memory and you can no longer even remember it or picture it in your mind. It's like a magical process.
I bet if they used ayahuasca or mushrooms on the soldiers the results would have been even more successful.
Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (07/26/16 10:17 AM)
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Re: Which psychedelic is best for controlling fear? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23478575 - 07/26/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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SSRI is just an antidepressant. Bandaid fix just like all medicine these days.
Psychedelics in combination with therapy will deal with the root cause. Common knowledge 60 years ago. Govt had to ban it.
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Re: Which psychedelic is best for controlling fear? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23478727 - 07/26/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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AuroraBorealis88 said: How does it curing soldiers of PTSD mean it's more therapeutic? Sure it's more "therapeutic" than most drugs but come on it's nowhere near psilocybin.
I disagree. MDMA can help people get in touch with a deep empathy that is real and therapeutic. Mushrooms can be abused just as easily as any "synthetic drug". It is super tempting to get caught up in the synthetic vs natural argument and have preconceived notions about what all these drugs do, but because of their very nature the experiences they cause are probably more subject to interpretation than anything else and can be warped by expectation.
Fuck, weed used to be visionary in our culture. Now it's green percocet.
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Re: Which psychedelic is best for controlling fear? [Re: Bozko]
#23480392 - 07/26/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bozko said: I disagree. MDMA can help people get in touch with a deep empathy that is real and therapeutic. Mushrooms can be abused just as easily as any "synthetic drug". It is super tempting to get caught up in the synthetic vs natural argument and have preconceived notions about what all these drugs do
Are you serious? No it's not because it's natural it's because ayahuasca and mushrooms are commonly known as very healing and therapeutic drugs. In fact they are probably the most therapeutic drugs on the planet. As I said before MDMA is therapeutic with therapy, mushrooms however are the therapy.
How can you realistically disagree with that? And how can you really bring up the synthetic vs natural argument and not see what I'm really saying?
Listen I'm not saying MDMA isn't therapeutic. It's more therapeutic than pot and that's natural. I'm just saying when you compare it to something like mushrooms which is arguably the most therapeutic substance on the planet I'm obviously gonna favor the mushrooms.
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Re: Which psychedelic is best for controlling fear? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23480421 - 07/26/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I mean not the most therapeutic in the world but if not then pretty close. I haven't done things like ayahuasca but I'm pretty sure psilocybin is right up there with iboga, mescaline and ayahuasca in terms of therapeutic potential. They're all arguably the most therapeutic substances we as humans have.
My point is you're comparing something that is moderately therapeutic to something that I would call or consider "explicitly therapeutic"
Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (07/26/16 09:58 PM)
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Re: Which psychedelic is best for controlling fear? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23480494 - 07/26/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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AuroraBorealis88 said: As I said before MDMA is therapeutic with therapy, mushrooms however are the therapy.
I think you would need to provide some sources on that.
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Re: Which psychedelic is best for controlling fear? [Re: healing]
#23480659 - 07/26/16 11:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's my opinion.
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Re: Which psychedelic is best for controlling fear? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23480773 - 07/26/16 11:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dude, among my group I am the one championing psychedelics and encouraging everyone to lay off of e, so I totally feel you on the "psychedelics provide real healing" thing. But at some point, I feel there is a machismo involved (with me) at having to have things the "hard" way. I've seen people experience transformation from e, and it has helped me understand the point of gentleness and empathy in this existence more than psychedelics have.
Sorry to bring up the natural vs synth thing falsely. Why would you pick mushrooms over LSD as more therapeutic?
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Re: Which psychedelic is best for controlling fear? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23480830 - 07/26/16 11:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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AuroraBorealis88 said: It's my opinion.
Then you should be able to understand when someone disagrees with you.
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