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    #23471302 - 07/24/16 03:07 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: The right approach to learning from psychedelics? [Re: ruaware]
    #23471406 - 07/24/16 05:07 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

You're definitely on the right track, but the process takes place before, during, and after the experience. It's basically a type of creative process.

There are five steps in the creative process model.

Preparation - this is the portion of the process in which an individual becomes curious about a problem, they may do something as formal as research or brainstorming to approach the problem, but sometimes it's something as simple as pondering or daydreaming. For artistic processes this could also consist of practicing an instrument or working with a particular medium or tool.

Incubation - in this phase the person processes their thoughts and feelings relating the problem, as well as any information they may have gained through research and the like. This phase of the process is almost entirely unconscious, just something that one keeps at the back of their mind.

Illumination - this is the point at which the ideas formed during the preparation and incubation mature. It's the eureka moment. Sometimes this happens during the trip, but not always. It often happens some period of time after the trip.

Evaluation - during this part the person evaluates whether or not to further pursue the solution found during the illumination stage of the process, if it is decided that the epiphany is worth pursuing, the idea is then honed to make it clearer and easier to put into action for the final stage of the process

Implementation - the insights gained in the previous steps of the creative process are put to use.


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Re: The right approach to learning from psychedelics? [Re: healing]
    #23471711 - 07/24/16 09:05 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I kind of agree. They strike a wound in your psyche that integrates into your life as you heal

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Re: The right approach to learning from psychedelics? [Re: ruaware]
    #23471714 - 07/24/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It's not that the learning takes place afterward, it's whether or not you put that perspective in to action.

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Re: The right approach to learning from psychedelics? [Re: ruaware]
    #23471850 - 07/24/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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ruaware said:
I think i might have had the wrong approach in using psychedelics to better myself. Until recently, i always thought the most important part of the psychedelic experience was the trip. Now I'm beginning to think the part where you learn from psychedelics is many weeks after the trip.

My original thoughts were that I'd take a psychedelic, and whatever issue or question i had, whether it was about death, reality, or the universe, I'd be able to solve it during the trip, or make progress in solving it. Now I'm considering that, the trip has a very important role. But the learning is done after the trip. It's concerning because i had these expectations of psychedelics and it might be very different than what i had thought.

To put it more clearly. The trip itself has an important role. But the trip can't be used to solve problems or figure things out. After the trip, the way you think and the way you approach your problems is changed. It's like psychedelics are helping you solve your problems by opening up your mind, but you have to do the real work in a sober state.

Its something I'm not quite sure of, I'd like to hear others thoughts on this.




  I agree with you that a lot of the learning you get from the trips happens after the actual trip when you can clearly put your thoughts from the trip together. The afterglow I get after my trip is another fave part of the LSD/ shroom experience to me also. :stoned:


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Re: The right approach to learning from psychedelics? [Re: AVShroomer]
    #23471857 - 07/24/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

If your thoughts are hard to put together then you're overanalyzing and therefore likely projecting your own needs or insecurities on to the experience. It's not good advice to do that, so I won't say it is. Any true 'meaning' of a trip will be a straight smack in the face of truth. It's super blatant, always. If it's not then you're trying too hard. Reevaluate your expectations.

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Re: The right approach to learning from psychedelics? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23471921 - 07/24/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It is true for me that the shrooms show me a path i can walk.
But I have to walk it myself.
My first couple of trips were amazing and I had all these great lessons.
But after a week or so I tend to forget the lessons and fall back into old habits.
So I started a journal with paper and ink. It helps me to remember what i have learned.
When life gets hard it is kind of uplifting reading these journals.

The funny thing is that the journals i write when I come down from a trip have such a wonderful handwriting. It does not even look like my handwriting. And the messages reach right into my core. Because nobody knows yourself better than you.

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Re: The right approach to learning from psychedelics? [Re: crissel]
    #23471982 - 07/24/16 11:07 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

The trip is like a 3 hour lecture but the prof is speaking to fast for you to catch everything. You want to catch as much as possible but not focus too hard on one thing or you will miss the next idea, and then you just have to hope you do well on the exam. During a trip it is important to relax and not worry about goals but let the shrooms take you where they want. I like to write down any big ground breaking ideas as fast as I can and then let the shrooms take me somewhere else. I think one of the most important parts about the trip happen in the days after. I would highly suggest meditating the next day for at least 20 minutes and just go over the entire trip in your head and jot down anything you had missed but now remember. Shrooms are the teacher, you are the practitioner and you have to take these new thought and deliberately work on making your life better.

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Re: The right approach to learning from psychedelics? [Re: JForce]
    #23473545 - 07/24/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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JForce said:
I kind of agree. They strike a wound in your psyche that integrates into your life as you heal



I kind of agree though I would paraphrase it:

They intensify consciousness and fold time which can integrate into your life later as time flattens out again and your psyche shrinks to more normal dimensions.


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Re: The right approach to learning from psychedelics? [Re: crissel]
    #23473632 - 07/24/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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crissel said:
It is true for me that the shrooms show me a path i can walk.
But I have to walk it myself.
My first couple of trips were amazing and I had all these great lessons.
But after a week or so I tend to forget the lessons and fall back into old habits.
So I started a journal with paper and ink. It helps me to remember what i have learned.
When life gets hard it is kind of uplifting reading these journals.

The funny thing is that the journals i write when I come down from a trip have such a wonderful handwriting. It does not even look like my handwriting. And the messages reach right into my core. Because nobody knows yourself better than you.




  That's a great idea to write in a journal to remember all your ideas and thoughts. I'm the same way after a week or so I tend to start going back to my old way of thinking. I might try and start jotting down things in a notebook while I'm tripping also now so that I can look back at it in the future! :wink:


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