Home | Community | Message Board

Cannabis Seeds Zamnesia
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Topicals   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | 3  [ show all ]
InvisibleDividedQuantumM
Outer Head
Male User Gallery

Registered: 12/06/13
Posts: 9,819
"Saving the world"
    #23469437 - 07/23/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The only phenomenon one can control is oneself, and even there the picture is quite muddy.  Notions of 'saving the world' are only hubris, and will come to very little.

Am I off-base?  Am I being too cynical?  Am I part of the problem with these remarks?  Or are they accurate, and the world evolves much as a heartless, thoughtless weather system does?


--------------------
Vi Veri Universum Vivus Vici


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleOrgoneConclusion
Blue Fish Group
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 45,414
Loc: Under the C
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23469444 - 07/23/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I don't like to brag, but I already saved the world - that is why you all are here! :elmo:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledemiu5
humans, lol
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/18/05
Posts: 43,948
Loc: the popcorn stadium Flag
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23469495 - 07/23/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i'd say it depends on one's scale of perspective.

in the end, the sun will burn out, cooking the earth, if not enveloping it entirely.  anything that might warrant "saving the world" will be rendered futile.


in terms of climate change, this is an entirely natural, cyclical process.


in the very short-term, humans use of nuclear weaponry poses the greatest threat to the environment (don't forget, we are a part of the environment), but even that would eventually be overcome


--------------------
channel your inner Larry David


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineElectric Wizard21
Master


Registered: 04/25/16
Posts: 905
Loc: Russia
Last seen: 6 years, 10 months
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23469508 - 07/23/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If you think about it no one can save the world, it is unsaveable. The only way to stop the problems would be to eradicate the problem: humans. Not all humans create the world we live in, but the majority go along with it without stopping to think about someone else, there too busy with something or another.

If we look at old civilisations like the Egyptians, it seemed they allowed knowledge to be freely known, today that isn't the case even with the apparent increase in knowledge. We hasn't got access to the information we need. Instead we have out heads in things like video games and conspiracy theories when we should be discussing the facts.

To save the world is an outcry, but to accept that it cannot be saved and only changed towards the better is a start.


--------------------
I'm sick of all you hypocrites
Holding me at bay
And I don't need your sympathy
To get me through the day
Seasons change and so can I
Hold on boy, no time to cry
Untie these strings, I'm climbing down
I won't let them push me away




Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleredgreenvines
irregular verb
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,539
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: Electric Wizard21]
    #23469576 - 07/23/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I like orgy's approach
what?


--------------------
:confused: _ :brainfart:🧠  _ :finger:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDividedQuantumM
Outer Head
Male User Gallery

Registered: 12/06/13
Posts: 9,819
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: demiu5]
    #23469634 - 07/23/16 03:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

demiu5 said:
i'd say it depends on one's scale of perspective.

in the end, the sun will burn out, cooking the earth, if not enveloping it entirely.  anything that might warrant "saving the world" will be rendered futile.


in terms of climate change, this is an entirely natural, cyclical process.


in the very short-term, humans use of nuclear weaponry poses the greatest threat to the environment (don't forget, we are a part of the environment), but even that would eventually be overcome




I fully agree that the greatest threat, in purely practical terms, to the continuation of humanity is the presence of strategic nuclear weapons.  Some people think these are just big bombs, and that some people would survive a nuclear holocaust.  Actually, they are world-enders -- with a hundred year long nuclear winter, the only ones who would survive are the cock-roaches.  But that is a story for another thread.  In order to properly save the world, one would have to eliminate all the nuclear stockpiles, primarily those of the U.S. and Russia, which are the biggest.  Since this is extremely unlikely to happen, it rather renders the point moot until we can find a way to govern ourselves without war.  What man builds, he tends to use, sooner or later.


--------------------
Vi Veri Universum Vivus Vici


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDividedQuantumM
Outer Head
Male User Gallery

Registered: 12/06/13
Posts: 9,819
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: Electric Wizard21]
    #23469641 - 07/23/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Electric Wizard21 said:
If you think about it no one can save the world, it is unsaveable. The only way to stop the problems would be to eradicate the problem: humans. Not all humans create the world we live in, but the majority go along with it without stopping to think about someone else, there too busy with something or another.

If we look at old civilisations like the Egyptians, it seemed they allowed knowledge to be freely known, today that isn't the case even with the apparent increase in knowledge. We hasn't got access to the information we need. Instead we have out heads in things like video games and conspiracy theories when we should be discussing the facts.

To save the world is an outcry, but to accept that it cannot be saved and only changed towards the better is a start.




Interesting points, I find I agree.


--------------------
Vi Veri Universum Vivus Vici


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledemiu5
humans, lol
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/18/05
Posts: 43,948
Loc: the popcorn stadium Flag
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: Electric Wizard21]
    #23469652 - 07/23/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Electric Wizard21 said:
If you think about it no one can save the world, it is unsaveable. The only way to stop the problems would be to eradicate the problem: humans. Not all humans create the world we live in, but the majority go along with it without stopping to think about someone else, there too busy with something or another.

If we look at old civilisations like the Egyptians, it seemed they allowed knowledge to be freely known, today that isn't the case even with the apparent increase in knowledge. We hasn't got access to the information we need. Instead we have out heads in things like video games and conspiracy theories when we should be discussing the facts.

To save the world is an outcry, but to accept that it cannot be saved and only changed towards the better is a start.





the sun will eventually render earth [mostly, if not entirely] lifeless, if not completely destroyed, regardless of humans potentially "getting their shit together"


--------------------
channel your inner Larry David


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineElectric Wizard21
Master


Registered: 04/25/16
Posts: 905
Loc: Russia
Last seen: 6 years, 10 months
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: demiu5]
    #23469679 - 07/23/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

But it would be better to make the world a potentially better place a little everyday. The sun won't die for millions of years, according to Brian cos of the BBC anyway.

If the human experience is real, and this is it, then it's a shame to waste the earth to evil. When we die we will know the truth, whether that's a good thing I don't know. But many theories suggest a matrix type reality and life after death.


--------------------
I'm sick of all you hypocrites
Holding me at bay
And I don't need your sympathy
To get me through the day
Seasons change and so can I
Hold on boy, no time to cry
Untie these strings, I'm climbing down
I won't let them push me away




Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezzripz
Stranger


Registered: 12/23/08
Posts: 8,292
Loc: Manchester, UK
Last seen: 4 years, 7 months
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #23469684 - 07/23/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i think that like the accusation of 'conspiracy theorist' was brought about by the CIA as a means to trigger shame in questioning authority and their official narratives, so it is so with the 'you cannot save the world'

'the world' becomes a concept

At this grocer's shop I do shopping once a week, I am friendly with one of the guys. This place always uses plastic bags. One day I said how I was not into using plastic and he said 'oh, are you trying to save the world?' it is a kind of --although he isn't being nasty--self-ridicule and warning against being non-conformist

So it comes down to this. ARE you going to not eat at McDonalds because YOU see what a crock of shit it is, OR are you going to go along with the rest--who fall for it? Who fall for walking around mesmerized by their mobile computer. Are gonna get yourself 'upgraded' with a chip? Are you going to say no?

'the world' is a concept made to make you feel small and insignificant and helpless. think, community instead. That would include the trees, soil, water, air, insects, birds, hedgehogs, and so on. THAT is a world


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledemiu5
humans, lol
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/18/05
Posts: 43,948
Loc: the popcorn stadium Flag
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: zzripz]
    #23469709 - 07/23/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Electric Wizard21 said:
But it would be better to make the world a potentially better place a little everyday. The sun won't die for millions of years, according to Brian cos of the BBC anyway.

If the human experience is real, and this is it, then it's a shame to waste the earth to evil. When we die we will know the truth, whether that's a good thing I don't know. But many theories suggest a matrix type reality and life after death.





i'm not disagreeing, just stating facts




Quote:

zzripz said:
i think that like the accusation of 'conspiracy theorist' was brought about by the CIA as a means to trigger shame in questioning authority and their official narratives, so it is so with the 'you cannot save the world'

'the world' becomes a concept


'the world' is a concept made to make you feel small and insignificant and helpless. think, community instead. That would include the trees, soil, water, air, insects, birds, hedgehogs, and so on. THAT is a world





most often, people misuse "world" when what they mean is "culture".  your post is spot on


--------------------
channel your inner Larry David


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinegraceful dragon
omni-love
 User Gallery


Registered: 04/20/15
Posts: 460
Loc: flight
Last seen: 6 years, 5 months
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23469723 - 07/23/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

DividedQuantum said:
The only phenomenon one can control is oneself, and even there the picture is quite muddy.  Notions of 'saving the world' are only hubris, and will come to very little.

Am I off-base?  Am I being too cynical?  Am I part of the problem with these remarks?  Or are they accurate, and the world evolves much as a heartless, thoughtless weather system does?




Well, you're not wrong.  One of the main issues is that a) good intentions can go wrong;  it's a complex thing -

another is that one of the main things necessary to learn is non-action.  It isn't so much we have to do a lot of great things; mostly we have to learn to do less;

the meditative state of peace, non-action is when one can explore .. deep ecology and what not;

yes the situation is complex, but so is the human neocortex or brain in general...

it keeps seeming to be up to the task -- isn't the human brain one of the most complex things in existence?  at least terence mckenna mentions it is one of the densest and most complex networks.. i suppose it could be called, informationally dense, so to speak.

anyway i've rambled, and let me just wrap up by saying - why not, grown like a great oak tree?

or some of the others, which are thousands of years old?  i don't mean to romanticize it completely, but a certain amount of idealization - romanticizing life -

is necessary for it to thrive.  i.e. - it does no harm to say 'life is immensely wonderful',

immensely beautiful - the same pattern, holographic pattern or fractal, would seem to be present in so many things. . . yet from our lives -- to see the beauty can help to show life is beautiful -- perhaps this quest for enlightenment is as much about beauty as it is about wisdom and love -- and the many qualities are connected ( Buddhas and others are greatly praised for their beauty ) ;  there can of course be too much emphasis --

but about this, this would be probably the limiting aspect of discriminating mind, and would let it go -- no point in spending energy on that type of thing, except insofar as it goes towards understanding the world.

So some discourse about the great beauty of life makes sense to me -- how else are we to ever reach the divine state cats, and much else of nature is in all the time?  If not learning to appreciate the natural beauty, and harmony of all life?

And so thus is the search for beauty and harmony an integral aspect of the peaceful life.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDividedQuantumM
Outer Head
Male User Gallery

Registered: 12/06/13
Posts: 9,819
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: graceful dragon]
    #23470019 - 07/23/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I appreciate your post and this --

Quote:

graceful dragon said:
Well, you're not wrong.  One of the main issues is that a) good intentions can go wrong;  it's a complex thing -

another is that one of the main things necessary to learn is non-action.  It isn't so much we have to do a lot of great things; mostly we have to learn to do less;





-- is spot on.  In order to do less damage to ourselves and the environment, we need to intelligently take less action.


--------------------
Vi Veri Universum Vivus Vici


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRJ Tubs 202
Male

Registered: 09/20/08
Posts: 6,016
Loc: USA Flag
Last seen: 17 hours, 21 minutes
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23471209 - 07/24/16 01:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The notion of "saving the world" is the fodder for many social mass movements

When I was a kid in the 70's/80's it was anti big oil

Now it's anti-GMO

"saving the world" usually involves defeating an enemy

I think it's all ego based poppycock

I'll drink another beer and think about it...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleOrgoneConclusion
Blue Fish Group
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 45,414
Loc: Under the C
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23471221 - 07/24/16 01:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It is like "protecting the earth" as the earth could handle being covered in lava and being bombarded by meteors, but not a few man-made chemicals.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleredgreenvines
irregular verb
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,539
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23471541 - 07/24/16 07:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

wait a minute,
some of those chemicals (and radioactive wastes) are really really bad in very very small quantities.
Lava is whipped cream by comparison.
GMO can be awful (in a few years I expect some fancy new diseases to emerge - as growing pains with the technology) but radioactive waste is bizarre bad.

orgy, you got a lot of work to do to keep saving us.


--------------------
:confused: _ :brainfart:🧠  _ :finger:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineyeah
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/08/09
Posts: 3,729
Last seen: 1 month, 22 days
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23471684 - 07/24/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

GMO is probably safe if done well

I need my Pundi rice!


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDividedQuantumM
Outer Head
Male User Gallery

Registered: 12/06/13
Posts: 9,819
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23471744 - 07/24/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
It is like "protecting the earth" as the earth could handle being covered in lava and being bombarded by meteors, but not a few man-made chemicals.




It depends on what we mean.  If we're talking about humanity when we use the word "world," then we're talking about a bunch of misguided creatures that are doing great harm to themselves, and many other species besides. 

If we're talking about the Earth as an entity unto itself, then yes, the Earth can take a lot more than we're throwing at it.

"The planet is fine. The people are fucked."  --George Carlin


--------------------
Vi Veri Universum Vivus Vici


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleredgreenvines
irregular verb
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,539
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: yeah]
    #23471745 - 07/24/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

electronics is safe when done well, at least it is not likely to reproduce other electronics so far - though soon we will see nanobots in vats, and then, no vat necessary bots (NVB's) this will probably come before we get good GMO and perfect 3-d printing.

we could lose a lot of people on the way. billionaires will emerge, and probably hundreds of diseases cured as well.

but saving the world now involves literacy first, eradication of hunger, poverty, and oppression such as is spreading HIV in southern Africa, and stupidity elsewhere.

I know Orgy has stepped up to lead the way. Personally I turn to drugs on a part time basis which helps.


--------------------
:confused: _ :brainfart:🧠  _ :finger:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineElectric Wizard21
Master


Registered: 04/25/16
Posts: 905
Loc: Russia
Last seen: 6 years, 10 months
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23471871 - 07/24/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

3 D printing is happening all the time, companies worldwide are using it now to make components.


As for curing diseases, if they did then they wouldn't make money anymore, so the chances of that happening soon if ever are slim.


--------------------
I'm sick of all you hypocrites
Holding me at bay
And I don't need your sympathy
To get me through the day
Seasons change and so can I
Hold on boy, no time to cry
Untie these strings, I'm climbing down
I won't let them push me away




Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinebeforethedawn
Registered: 06/19/16
Posts: 1,859
Last seen: 4 years, 5 months
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: Electric Wizard21]
    #23471908 - 07/24/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

"Man is the microcosm, I am my world." - Wittgenstein

The world is literally a manifestation of your psyche and its current focal point within itself.

Save yourself, save the FIELD OF EXPERIENCE you are in.


--------------------
Hostile humankind
Can't you see you're fucking blind?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezzripz
Stranger


Registered: 12/23/08
Posts: 8,292
Loc: Manchester, UK
Last seen: 4 years, 7 months
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23471995 - 07/24/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

the 'world' eg those who are thinking they control it and our lives is INSANE. This is why I spend a lot of time here encouraging myself and others to look at the STORIES that fuel this insanity

Think of the Scientology belief...it is totally freakin insane, right? And YET there are quite a few believers including multi millionaire celebs like Tom Cruise, etc

But that belief system is a VERY good example--because it is recently formed--of how people can be made to believe any insane old crap!!

So we must look at all the stories being told us and what we are beliving.

Question everything

Things are extremely urgent

What about the children just come, and to come?

Not Just Bees, All Insects are in Decline and Heading for Extinction

the real world is not a machine but a living organism


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineElectric Wizard21
Master


Registered: 04/25/16
Posts: 905
Loc: Russia
Last seen: 6 years, 10 months
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: zzripz]
    #23472014 - 07/24/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

People believe in alien life, and anyone who believes in it says 'oh it's close minded not to think there's others in this universe'. Well, the reality is that like you said, anyone will believe any **** they hear, and refuse to help other people because they have their heads shoved up their ass.

It's delusional to think humans are smart, it's delusional to think animals are dumb. But this is the stuff the feed children and adults all day every day, every year.

It's called circles and we will never get out of it unless we can change to a square or something.


--------------------
I'm sick of all you hypocrites
Holding me at bay
And I don't need your sympathy
To get me through the day
Seasons change and so can I
Hold on boy, no time to cry
Untie these strings, I'm climbing down
I won't let them push me away




Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledemiu5
humans, lol
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/18/05
Posts: 43,948
Loc: the popcorn stadium Flag
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: Electric Wizard21]
    #23472359 - 07/24/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Electric Wizard21 said:
It's called circles and we will never get out of it unless we can change to a square or something.






a square is still a closed loop

:shrug:


--------------------
channel your inner Larry David


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineElectric Wizard21
Master


Registered: 04/25/16
Posts: 905
Loc: Russia
Last seen: 6 years, 10 months
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: demiu5]
    #23472508 - 07/24/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

True :wink:

I was just getting at the fact we need to get out of this circle of repetition. A square admittedly was a bad example. Perhaps changing to a straight line.


--------------------
I'm sick of all you hypocrites
Holding me at bay
And I don't need your sympathy
To get me through the day
Seasons change and so can I
Hold on boy, no time to cry
Untie these strings, I'm climbing down
I won't let them push me away




Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEywa_devotee
Goddess Worshiper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/04/10
Posts: 1,088
Loc: State of Confusion, Arkan... Flag
Last seen: 3 years, 7 months
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: Electric Wizard21]
    #23472576 - 07/24/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

We could save the world if we tried. The question is what world do we want to save? The planet Earth, the Worldly political and religious systems, the world within our oun minds? A lot of the problems come from self destructive predictive programming resulting from the apocalyptic religious texts. It is pretty obvious that some thought given form has a lot to gain by getting us to the point of self destruction.

Why do you think that psychedelics like DMT are illegal? They break the programming temporarily and get one to ask questions that the people leading us to doom are uncomfortable with. The worldly governmental systems need FEAR to maintain control so they can give the delusion of keeping us safe to maintain their power. Problem is the creation of fear  must be maintained and gradually increased to maintain power and eventually it will go out of control. We are starting to see this happening currently, and unless something drastic changes it will get ugly.

What needs to change to save the world is the point of view and attitude. The US vs THEM must become ALL of US, and we must start an integrative system of government based on compassion instead of a derivative system of government based on fear.


--------------------
"Love one another." "To Love is to know me." "Love is the Law, Love under Will." "In Compassion, all sorrows end." Regardless of the Master, the message is the same- Choose love and you shall live, Choose Fear and you shall die. Help bring peace to this Earth: Love one another, and serve others before yourself.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineElectric Wizard21
Master


Registered: 04/25/16
Posts: 905
Loc: Russia
Last seen: 6 years, 10 months
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #23472587 - 07/24/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This is war, bring together out brothers and sisters for the final countdown...it all ends with a bang.


--------------------
I'm sick of all you hypocrites
Holding me at bay
And I don't need your sympathy
To get me through the day
Seasons change and so can I
Hold on boy, no time to cry
Untie these strings, I'm climbing down
I won't let them push me away




Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledemiu5
humans, lol
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/18/05
Posts: 43,948
Loc: the popcorn stadium Flag
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: Electric Wizard21]
    #23472656 - 07/24/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Electric Wizard21 said:
True :wink:

I was just getting at the fact we need to get out of this circle of repetition. A square admittedly was a bad example. Perhaps changing to a straight line.





i would prefer a trident or fork of varying points, as a straight line only has one path/end


--------------------
channel your inner Larry David


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleredgreenvines
irregular verb
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,539
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: demiu5]
    #23472704 - 07/24/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Russia removed religion in the revolution but then after perestroika  it snapped back

religion does not need to be preserved
but it may resist all antibiotic treatment.

maybe it can be escalated by mixing it with undiluted university level courses.


--------------------
:confused: _ :brainfart:🧠  _ :finger:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLove_spirit
Circle Of Power
 User Gallery

Registered: 07/18/15
Posts: 1,208
Last seen: 7 months, 27 days
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23472709 - 07/24/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Whatever you do reserve your saving exclusively for people that ask for it.
I find it so cringy when I see people acting like they're superior
to the homeless or talking like they know whats best for a grown adult.
They project some delusion on the person so they can play a part in their ego
game where they are a benovelant "good" person. Fucking treat all people as your equal. Realize that the world may not need or want your help and the only person that may need saving is you from yourself.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledemiu5
humans, lol
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/18/05
Posts: 43,948
Loc: the popcorn stadium Flag
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23472722 - 07/24/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Love_spirit said:
the only person that may need saving is you from yourself.





your whole post hits the nail on the head, culturally-speaking, but the end is the most precious part


--------------------
channel your inner Larry David


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineElectric Wizard21
Master


Registered: 04/25/16
Posts: 905
Loc: Russia
Last seen: 6 years, 10 months
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: demiu5]
    #23475676 - 07/25/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Your constant replies to my posts suggests you are trying to spark an argument. Kindly stop.


--------------------
I'm sick of all you hypocrites
Holding me at bay
And I don't need your sympathy
To get me through the day
Seasons change and so can I
Hold on boy, no time to cry
Untie these strings, I'm climbing down
I won't let them push me away




Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledemiu5
humans, lol
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/18/05
Posts: 43,948
Loc: the popcorn stadium Flag
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: Electric Wizard21]
    #23475751 - 07/25/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Electric Wizard21 said:
Your constant replies to my posts suggests you are trying to spark an argument. Kindly stop.





?

half of my posts were in agreement or furthering your posts


also, this is a forum based on debate and discussion.  for a circle jerk, go to the spirituality forum


unless you meant to reply to someone else....:confused:


--------------------
channel your inner Larry David


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezzripz
Stranger


Registered: 12/23/08
Posts: 8,292
Loc: Manchester, UK
Last seen: 4 years, 7 months
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: demiu5]
    #23475900 - 07/25/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

watched this video about crazy eyes and mind Hillary Clinton. He is gagging to start nuclear war. You can see her making speeches bragging about this like she is proud of it

Over here the Tories have got a new leader. this VERY evil-looking bitch named Teresa May (ironically). He is ugly looking and evil. You see her in the houses of parliament by another politicians if she would willingly use nukes which would kill 100, 000 people. You see her stand up, and say...'yes... As a deterrent'. She is proud of that, you could tell

What is so-called 'alternative' for crazy Hillary? Crazy as fcuk Trump!! Behind these utterly insane clowns as you see them say their insane sht are other people all screaming in support of them who are also insane

i am just telling it as it is


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleOrgoneConclusion
Blue Fish Group
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 45,414
Loc: Under the C
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23476133 - 07/25/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Russia removed religion in the revolution but then after perestroika  it snapped back





Perestroika is my favorite vodka. :yesnod:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleLunarEclipse
Enlil's Official Story
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/31/04
Posts: 21,407
Loc: Building 7
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23479522 - 07/26/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Honestly, I wish to thank you for your doubts as to my or others ability to change things.

I no longer care!  It's a load off, that's for sure. 

What difference could it have made, anyway.  We are all goners, and me pointing that out to anyone would just be obviously redundant.


--------------------
Anxiety is what you make it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledemiu5
humans, lol
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/18/05
Posts: 43,948
Loc: the popcorn stadium Flag
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23479538 - 07/26/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

LunarEclipse said:
Honestly, I wish to thank you for your doubts as to my or others ability to change things.

I no longer care!  It's a load off, that's for sure. 

What difference could it have made, anyway.  We are all goners, and me pointing that out to anyone would just be obviously redundant.






sun...red giant...game over


go nuts


--------------------
channel your inner Larry David


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineElectric Wizard21
Master


Registered: 04/25/16
Posts: 905
Loc: Russia
Last seen: 6 years, 10 months
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: demiu5]
    #23481260 - 07/27/16 04:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You fail to see the obvious floor in your obsession with the sun.

It will not fail for millions of years and if it eventually does there is no way that humans will survive until that point anyway, we will probably have already wiped ourselves out with nukes.


--------------------
I'm sick of all you hypocrites
Holding me at bay
And I don't need your sympathy
To get me through the day
Seasons change and so can I
Hold on boy, no time to cry
Untie these strings, I'm climbing down
I won't let them push me away




Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblehowsyournaggerdoin
Happy


Registered: 02/04/16
Posts: 1,600
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23481273 - 07/27/16 05:03 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

DividedQuantum said:
The only phenomenon one can control is oneself, and even there the picture is quite muddy.  Notions of 'saving the world' are only hubris, and will come to very little.

Am I off-base?  Am I being too cynical?  Am I part of the problem with these remarks?  Or are they accurate, and the world evolves much as a heartless, thoughtless weather system does?




I think its possible to save the world but it would take someone very very extraordinary and a lot of luck.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleremake
Male

Registered: 01/05/16
Posts: 4,178
Loc: South Africa Flag
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23481313 - 07/27/16 05:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I wish you all the best. Nothing less. May all of you reach your dreams of tranquility and satisfaction. And health and peace of mind.

And adventure!


Edited by remake (07/27/16 06:10 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledemiu5
humans, lol
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/18/05
Posts: 43,948
Loc: the popcorn stadium Flag
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: Electric Wizard21]
    #23481542 - 07/27/16 08:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Electric Wizard21 said:
You fail to see the obvious floor in your obsession with the sun.

It will not fail for millions of years and if it eventually does there is no way that humans will survive until that point anyway, we will probably have already wiped ourselves out with nukes.






humans aren't the world


the point is the world (the earth) won't survive eternally; it is incapable of being saved in anything but the extremely short term


--------------------
channel your inner Larry David


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineElectric Wizard21
Master


Registered: 04/25/16
Posts: 905
Loc: Russia
Last seen: 6 years, 10 months
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: demiu5]
    #23481952 - 07/27/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If it's been around for the billions of years people claim and survived then it has done pretty well. Do you know much of the process of the life of a star? (Genuine question, not a cheap insult)


--------------------
I'm sick of all you hypocrites
Holding me at bay
And I don't need your sympathy
To get me through the day
Seasons change and so can I
Hold on boy, no time to cry
Untie these strings, I'm climbing down
I won't let them push me away




Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDuncan Rowhl
Fiducia Christum
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/08/12
Posts: 2,659
Loc: UK Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 5 months
Re: [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23482459 - 07/27/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

DividedQuantum said:
The only phenomenon one can control is oneself, and even there the picture is quite muddy.  Notions of 'saving the world' are only hubris, and will come to very little.

Am I off-base?  Am I being too cynical?  Am I part of the problem with these remarks?  Or are they accurate, and the world evolves much as a heartless, thoughtless weather system does?




Ghandi said 'Be the change you want to see in the world' which related to saving the self rather than saving the world.  I think this has significantly deeper meaning than the connotation that 'one must start somewhere to evoke change, and it starts with your own effort'.

It could be understood in another way, that you are perhaps the only actual perceiver of the world (with all others being mere residual energy fragments of the 'one') and so, when you change yourself, so too do you change everyone else in the world.




Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePaulyAnna
Male


Registered: 09/01/15
Posts: 200
Re: [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23489315 - 07/29/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Duncan Rowhl said:
Quote:

DividedQuantum said:
The only phenomenon one can control is oneself, and even there the picture is quite muddy.  Notions of 'saving the world' are only hubris, and will come to very little.

Am I off-base?  Am I being too cynical?  Am I part of the problem with these remarks?  Or are they accurate, and the world evolves much as a heartless, thoughtless weather system does?




Ghandi said 'Be the change you want to see in the world' which related to saving the self rather than saving the world.  I think this has significantly deeper meaning than the connotation that 'one must start somewhere to evoke change, and it starts with your own effort'.

It could be understood in another way, that you are perhaps the only actual perceiver of the world (with all others being mere residual energy fragments of the 'one') and so, when you change yourself, so too do you change everyone else in the world.







In addition to



--------------------
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePaulyAnna
Male


Registered: 09/01/15
Posts: 200
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #23489363 - 07/29/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Does the world need saving is the question?

As the heathen responds to the Christian's earnest plea to repent and believe the gospel, "Why so? What do I need to be saved from?"

And so the endless back and forth debating begins.


--------------------
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblelaughingdog
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 03/14/04
Posts: 4,828
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23493870 - 07/30/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

DividedQuantum said:
The only phenomenon one can control is oneself, and even there the picture is quite muddy.  Notions of 'saving the world' are only hubris, and will come to very little.

Am I off-base?  Am I being too cynical?  Am I part of the problem with these remarks?  Or are they accurate, and the world evolves much as a heartless, thoughtless weather system does?




IMO not off base
fancy questions often are a distraction

as Edward Salim Michael says:



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefalcon
 User Gallery


Registered: 04/01/02
Posts: 8,005
Last seen: 1 day, 7 hours
Re: "Saving the world" [Re: laughingdog]
    #23494007 - 07/30/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What an intense focus this dude had! I looked for snd listened to some of his music, it doesn't fare well as background music, i find it demanding to listen to much like its composer. Cheers!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblelaughingdog
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 03/14/04
Posts: 4,828
Re: [Re: falcon] * 1
    #23499612 - 08/01/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

indeed intense

will order the biography:

The Price of a Remarkable Destiny: The Life and Spiritual Journey of Edward Salim Michael Paperback – December 20, 2014
by Michele Michael (Author), Tania Doney (Translator)

ISBN-10: 1503382583
ISBN-13: 978-1503382589

Amazon:

"From music to a spiritual quest: a whole destiny will play out between these two poles. First, a childhood marked by poverty, followed by the trauma of the Second World War and a passion for music. Then, one day, everything changes. London, 1949: for the first time in his life, Edward Salim Michael, 28 years old, at the time a composer and solo violinist, sees a statue of Buddha. He is transfixed….(and gives up music career) ... without even knowing that what he is doing is called meditation. …. After five years of sustained efforts of concentration, he has a powerful experience of awakening … The years he spends in India will offer him the opportunity of intensifying his practice even more. … This biography, written in simple, direct prose, leads us in the footsteps …"


Edited by laughingdog (08/01/16 07:47 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | 3  [ show all ]

Shop: PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Topicals   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* why did egyptians forget how to write hieroglyphics
( 1 2 3 all )
Cosm 5,022 47 02/10/05 12:31 PM
by Silversoul
* Tupac alive or just another conspiracy?
( 1 2 all )
Anonymous 4,232 33 03/08/04 02:58 PM
by Anonymous
* what were the egyptians smoking??
( 1 2 all )
Smack31 4,396 23 09/06/02 07:11 PM
by Calen
* Ancient Egyptian Magick ShroomismM 3,529 7 08/09/04 09:22 PM
by Cyber
* ahem. shall we try to save the world?
( 1 2 3 4 5 all )
PHARMAKOS 6,115 98 01/28/04 05:49 AM
by Psilocybeingzz
* half assed conspiracy theory by me
( 1 2 all )
KingOftheThing 2,606 36 09/07/04 07:28 PM
by Adom
* The passion of the Christ
( 1 2 3 all )
flowstone 3,990 51 04/02/05 05:03 PM
by JCoke
* medical conspiracy???
( 1 2 all )
spudamore 2,304 24 08/12/04 05:53 PM
by Strumpling

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, DividedQuantum
2,684 topic views. 0 members, 13 guests and 6 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.042 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 12 queries.