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OfflineMike4aco
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Alternate realities (déjà vu)
    #23465861 - 07/22/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Have any of you guywlw experienced déjà vu? Sometimes ill experience times when a whole hour or longer is a déjà vu moment for me. I also experice lucid dreams quite often when i do sleep. These dreams are a pre déjà vu, or a different kind of whatever vu. My last acid trip was entirely déjà vu, but had me looking into different realities.

Sort of like this:

we trip together. You have a trip or premonition of me wearing a red shirt and black pants. Im driving a blue car. We get in and the first song on the radio is that manic monday song. We get out and have lunch at dennys. So universe a, we get together. I am wearing a red shirt, brown pants.  Driving a yellow car. Song on the radio is blue monday. We meet a guy named denny
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Universe b. Im wearing a blue shirt and black pants. Im driving a green car. We get in and the first song on the radio is that manic monday song. We get out and have lunch at dennys.

Or they might have everything in common and be exactly the pre déjà vu, or have nothing in common but still somehow be the same scenario.

I've experienced this on acid but other drugs might be the same. Anyone else?


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Re: Alternate realities (déjà vu) [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23465866 - 07/22/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Experience it all the time, usually in my every day life as well sober.

On psychedelics it makes it all that more apparent and interesting

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In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
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Different ways in which The
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Re: Alternate realities (déjà vu) [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23465969 - 07/22/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It scares me lol no free will everything is predetermined, if it doesnt happen to you it will happen to an alternate you... I do like it sometimes though


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Re: Alternate realities (déjà vu) [Re: Mike4aco] * 1
    #23466035 - 07/22/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There's actually a neurological reason for déjà vue....crazy as the experience is, it's nothing mystical. Give me a bit to dig up the explanation.


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Re: Alternate realities (déjà vu) [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23466060 - 07/22/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

ok


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Re: Alternate realities (déjà vu) [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23466065 - 07/22/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I believe de ja vu is probably just fragments of dreams that we didnt remember that slip into our train of thought when we experience the same thing in waking reality

Of course thats just my personal opinion based on no study or explanation i ever have seen


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Alternate realities (déjà vu) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23466070 - 07/22/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Here she be;

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What causes déjà vu?
Source: Society for Neuroscience
It is difficult to study déjà vu — the odd feeling you get when you sense you’ve already experienced something that you know you are doing for the first time — in the laboratory. This is mainly because the phenomenon is rare and difficult to reproduce. However, there are similarities between déjà vu and the more common experience of seeing a person who seems vaguely familiar to you, but whose name, how you know them, and where you previously met escape you.

Unlike déjà vu, scientists are able to test feelings of familiarity in the laboratory. One way they do this is by asking study participants to scan and quickly assess the familiarity of faces or places they have seen before and those that they are seeing for the first time. Such studies have helped researchers come to understand that familiarity and recollection are two different forms of memory that work together during recognition. While people experience the sense of familiarity rapidly, recollection, which requires the recovery of associations prompted by a critical cue, takes longer.  For instance, if you begin a casual conversation with that person you know you recognize but cannot quite place, you may start to uncover details that trigger memories revealing the person’s name and how you know them.

Functional MRI (fMRI) studies of people asked to judge the familiarity of faces and buildings have revealed that when people distinguish familiar from novel faces, changes in activity occur in an area of the temporal lobe called the perirhinal cortex. By contrast, an adjacent area called parahippocampal cortex is shows activity changes when people distinguish familiar buildings from those they are seeing for the first time.

Thus, déjà vu for a face may be the result of messages sent from the perirhinal cortex whereas déjà vu for a place may stem from messages relayed from the parahippocampal cortex. Notably, both of these regions send their information to the hippocampus, which supports recollection. So, the full experience of recollection may reflect a combining of converging signals from both perirhinal and parahippocampal areas to the hippocampus.
References

Eichenbaum H, Yonelinas AR, Ranganath C. The medial temporal lobe and recognition memory.  Annual Review of Neuroscience. 30:123-152 (2007).




http://www.brainfacts.org/about-neuroscience/ask-an-expert/articles/2014/what-causes-deja-vu/

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You walk into a room and suddenly your brain goes fuzzy with an overwhelming wave of familiarity -- although this is a totally new experience. Like something out of a sci-fi plot, it almost seems as if you've walked into the future.

Chances are, you've experienced this situation, known as déjà vu, during your life. Déjà vu (French for 'already seen') occurs in approximately 60 to 80 percent of people -- a phenomenon that's almost always fleeting and may manifest at any time. Despite wide-spread coverage, bursts of déjà vu are still misunderstood by the scientific community.

"Because there is no clear, identifiable stimulus that elicits a déjà vu experience (it is a retrospective report from an individual), it is very difficult to study déjà vu in a laboratory," said Michelle Hook, Ph.D., assistant professor in the Department of Neuroscience and Experimental Therapeutics, at the Texas A&M Health Science Center College of Medicine.

A glitch in the brain?

"According to many studies, approximately two-thirds of individuals have experienced at least one episode of déjà vu in their life," Hook said. "Understanding how memory storage works may shed some light on why some experience it more than others."

Episodes of déjà vu may be closely related to how memory is stored in the brain. Retention of long-term memories, events and facts are stored in the temporal lobes, and, specific parts of the temporal lobe are also integral for the detection of familiarity, and the recognition of certain events. The takeaway: The temporal lobe is where you make and store your memories.

While déjà vu's connection to the temporal lobe and memory retention is still relatively unknown, clues about the condition were derived from people who suffer from temporal lobe epilepsy (a condition in which nerve cell activity in the brain is disturbed -- causing seizures). Findings suggest that déjà vu events may be caused by an electrical malfunction in the brain.

Epileptic seizures are characterized by dysfunctional neuron (nerve cell) activity across the brain which disrupts the electrical impulses that 'fire' neurons. These impulses can spread across the whole brain -- inducing seizures. "Clinical reports show that some patients who suffer from temporal lobe epilepsy report experiencing déjà vu, almost as a sort of warning, before an epileptic seizure event," Hook said.

But, what is the basis for déjà vu in healthy people without epilepsy? Some researchers describe it as a 'glitch' in the brain -- when the neurons for recognition and familiarity fire -- allowing the brain to mistake the present for the past. In fact, the same abnormal electrical impulses that contribute to epilepsy can present in healthy people. An example of this is a hyponogogic jerk (an involuntary muscle spasm that occurs as a person is falling asleep).

Shortcuts in neural pathways

Instances of déjà vu in healthy individuals may also be attributed to a 'mismatch' in the brain's neural pathways. This could be because the brain is constantly attempting to create whole perceptions of the world around us with limited input.

For example, it only takes a small amount of sensory information -- like a familiar smell -- for the brain to create a detailed recollection. Déjà vu could be linked to discrepancies in the memory systems of the brain, leading the sensory information to by-pass short-term memory and reach long-term memory instead. This may produce the unsettling feeling that we've experienced a new moment before.

In the visual system, sensory information travels through multiple pathways to the higher cortical centers of the brain (areas that play a key role in memory, attention, perception, awareness, thought, language and consciousness), with all information reaching those centers at or around the same time.

"Some suggest that when a difference in processing occurs along these pathways, the perception is disrupted and is experienced as two separate messages. The brain interprets the second version, through the slowed secondary pathway -- as a separate perceptual experience -- and thus the inappropriate feeling of familiarity (déjà vu) occurs," Hook said.

According to Hook, there is still much to learn about déjà vu and the mechanisms behind it. "There may not be a simple answer for the mechanisms behind déjà vu yet, but, with further research and studies, conclusive evidence for the phenomenon may be discovered in the future," she said. Wouldn't that be like experiencing déjà vu all over again?




https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/04/160413113530.htm


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Re: Alternate realities (déjà vu) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23466489 - 07/22/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
I believe de ja vu is probably just fragments of dreams that we didnt remember that slip into our train of thought when we experience the same thing in waking reality

Of course thats just my personal opinion based on no study or explanation i ever have seen




  I really think that deja vu is fragments of dreams as well you took the words outta my mouth bill! Also sometimes ill be doing something in real life and than that jolts my memory about a dream I had a couple days before and it would remind me of that dream I had its a crazy/interesting experience that for sure that your mind  does those things. I thinks psychedelics help me notice a lot of crazy things about the mind I really wouldn't think about an realize if I never experienced what have with those substances I've been blessed to be able to try. :smile:


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Re: Alternate realities (déjà vu) [Re: AVShroomer]
    #23466523 - 07/22/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Couldnt agree more.

Psychs definitely make me feel like a therapist or someone who recognizes "patterns among minds" as i like to call it.

I mean even my required therapist(so i can get my adderall) says im one of the few who sit there and can actually talk to them. I guess most people just walk in there and everything is always about them and their sufferings are everything elses fault. But when they find someone who goes in and can freely admit that any problems they have is due to themselves for the most part, they appreciate it


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


Edited by Bill_Oreilly (07/22/16 08:11 PM)


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Re: Alternate realities (déjà vu) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23466549 - 07/22/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I will say that one awesome therapist i had told me something strange ill never forget.

We were talking about random shit and somehow it ended up with her proclaiming "doctors know everything"

Cute Asian lady


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Alternate realities (déjà vu) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23466959 - 07/22/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Deja Vu has really been messing with you lately Mike. I'd be focusing my attention on some lottery number so we can open up that shop soon lol.


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Re: Alternate realities (déjà vu) [Re: SyzygisticSoul]
    #23467668 - 07/22/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This has nothing to do with psychedelics, but I'll share it anyway.

When I was a little kid I had a reoccurring dream where I'm out playing and it's time to go home for dinner. I walk up my street and my house is there, but it's different. It's like a futuristic version of my house. The front lawn is perfect, the house is bigger, and I can't get in the front door. I recall thinking "where am I". It was like a different reality where everything is nicer, better, more beautiful.

My parents stayed in that house up until the end, just a couple years ago (they're both dead now). For all these years, once every week or two.. or three, I would visit and it was like no time passed. They never made serious changes to the house, so things pretty much looked the same as when I was kid in the late 60's.

So a couple years ago after they were out, we sold the house. After the closing I didn't go back there because it's bit of a ride. Last year when my dad passed, we dumped his ashes in the woods nearby and we decided to take a ride past the house. HOLY shit... total deja vu. The new owners turned it into the house and lawn from my reoccurring dream. Now it's a beautiful modern looking mansion but the basic structure is still the same along with the bricks in the front. Total mind fuck.. it was a deja vu moment but it didn't fade - it was real.

I think next time we drive by I'll go rind the door bell. What must it look like inside? Can I handle it?


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Re: Alternate realities (déjà vu) [Re: Universe] * 1
    #23467943 - 07/22/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

^wow!

Lifes a trip!


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