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Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song?
    #23467280 - 07/22/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

While on mushrooms recently my hearing was enhanced and I heard the robot voice clearly in song. I had listened to this song many times but this voice was never clear or stood out to me.
As you all know hearing is enhanced on psilocybin. The song is Keep Talking, from the Division Bell album. The lyrics start in a robot type voice
"For millions of years mankind lived just like the animals
Then something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination
We learned to talk"
Wow! Very much in line with Terence McKenna's stoned ape evolution theory.
Anyone else believe there's any similarities?


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Headrush]
    #23467457 - 07/22/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well there's a similarity in that both the lyric and McKenna focussed in on a certain 'event' which spurred on the evolution of the genus Homo into Homo Sapiens.

However, it is still shrouded in much mystery, and the best we have at this moment are theories. The song doesn't seem to make mention of a specific chemical being the initiator of the change, so it doesn't seem highly relavent to the Stoned Ape Theory, but hey it sounds like a cool experience! :heart:


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Chakra Shock]
    #23467474 - 07/22/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hence the term "mind manifesting" . I felt at the time it all made perfect sense and I was so overwhelmed. I guess our minds,especially on trips try to make sense of things.


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Headrush] * 1
    #23467490 - 07/22/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I wanna say thats steven hawking ill look it up though


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Mike4aco] * 1
    #23467523 - 07/22/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's the voice of Stephen Hawking and it was lifted from this TV commercial. Story goes that this commercial brought Gilmour to tears, and that's why they used it. Maybe he was tripping when he saw it?



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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Universe]
    #23467532 - 07/22/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yes thanks.  Google was being slow due to me being over mh data limit


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23467553 - 07/22/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

My friend who has since passed said the wall was written about his life while on LSD the odd part is it really does seem to fit him but I guess it's not an uncommon upbringing


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23467555 - 07/22/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I wish David Gilmour could open up a little more on psychedelics. He's such a gentleman in interviews.
I did see a recent video on Liptv where Paul Simon's son interviews David and he commented that lysergics and cannabis are benign unless pre disposed to underlying problem.


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Headrush]
    #23467569 - 07/22/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The Wall is Roger Waters story. I believe LSD had a lot of inspiration into all of their music.
Just fits together too much to be a coincidence.


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Universe]
    #23467594 - 07/22/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Universe said:
It's the voice of Stephen Hawking and it was lifted from this TV commercial. Story goes that this commercial brought Gilmour to tears, and that's why they used it. Maybe he was tripping when he saw it?





Wow,thanks for the info about Stephen Hawking. I really appreciate the information.
I love the shroomery people,where else can people like us exchange information like this! I guess we all have to "Keep Talking"
And the video has apes? Wow


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Headrush]
    #23467610 - 07/22/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This guy was raised without a father by a protective mother, when I hear the wall that's what stands out the most to me besides it being so damn good, it's just perfect
His personal story being a big infulance makes "comfortably numb" ironically uncomfortable tho


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: BaronVonBud]
    #23467747 - 07/22/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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This guy was raised without a father by a protective mother, when I hear the wall that's what stands out the most to me besides it being so damn good, it's just perfect
His personal story being a big infulance makes "comfortably numb" ironically uncomfortable tho



Great point, seems to fit into lives of so many people. Not only us,but for generations to come. Truly timeless music.
Darkside of the Moon is universal to all people, it's a masterpiece about life, in chronological order!


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? *DELETED* [Re: Headrush] * 1
    #23469163 - 07/23/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: psychobla]
    #23469617 - 07/23/16 03:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I totally thought you'd be referencing the gnome song :grin:
Terence McKenna referenced this one himself.



IMO Pink Floyd is made for psilocybin :pipesmoke:

It's pretty interesting that psychedelics can bring such vastly different people with different upbringings to fairly similar conclusions about the universe and spirituality.



Great song, definitely seems to reference mushrooms.
Also seen new BBC documentary on YouTube where David is walking through grass with reporter and he stops to pick mushrooms, likely just edible, but made me wonder.
Your right on with fan diversity, got to be the most diverse range of age and social class of any band. Got to see the in 1988 in Chicago.


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Headrush]
    #23469995 - 07/23/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Is there any evidence to say that the entire band used to take psychedelics? Ive always wondered.

I know one of them used a lot.. Forget his name though.

Floyd is one of my favorite bands. I just dont keep up with the artist names of bands i like. Dont hate me haha.


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: ak47myth]
    #23470087 - 07/23/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Syd Barret. The Wall was about him. Shine on you crazy diamond was about him, etc.. He was pre-disposed towards Schizophrenia. And yes, the whole band did acid. They were THE cutting edge of "psychedelia" in the UK. The house band so to speak. Listen to "The piper at the gates of dawn".
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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: ByCoverOfNight]
    #23471322 - 07/24/16 03:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There ya go. Yeah, Syd is the one i knew about who definitely tripped. Didnt know if the others had.

I always hoped they all experienced similar stuff like myself. Their music is just too perfect for tripping.


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: ByCoverOfNight]
    #23472309 - 07/24/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

How much do you think they tripped? ( other than Syd Barrett, that crazy diamond )

I always kind of got the sense from Gilmore and maybe some of the others that they were pretty experienced with it, but treated the psychedelics as tools rather than a lifestyle.
Like they had moved on from taking them at a certain point, so to speak.


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Chakra Shock]
    #23472381 - 07/24/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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How much do you think they tripped? ( other than Syd Barrett, that crazy diamond )

I always kind of got the sense from Gilmore and maybe some of the others that they were pretty experienced with it, but treated the psychedelics as tools rather than a lifestyle.
Like they had moved on from taking them at a certain point, so to speak.




That sounds about right. Most of the Floyd albums sound like they were made to be listened to while tripping. I always got the impression that the members of Pink Floyd (post Sid) applied their psychedelic experiences to their song writing but it wasn't, as you put it, their lifestyle. Sid's downfall may have been a big reason.

I always felt that those early albums were a little rough - hard to listen to. The stuff with Sid is like a whole different band, IMO. Poor sound quality, the musicianship isn't quite up there like the rest and the songs are pretty out there. I don't think they achieved perfection until Dark Side. That last album, Final Cut, was terrible. I don't think I've ever gotten through it in it's entirety. The two post-Waters albums are really great to listen to tripping, but again, it's like a different band. In my mind they are Gilmour solo albums. I saw them around 1989-90 when they were touring for Momentary Lapse - great, great show! I wanted to trip so bad, but I was with friends who don't trip and I was driving.


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Universe] * 1
    #23472510 - 07/24/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Nah Pink Floyd was just Pink Floyd. That music was the sound they heard in their heads & felt in their hearts. It does go well with psychedelics, but the band members themselves were not fans of the drugs. Syd Barrett lost his shit & became a hermit. They blamed LSD, which he did abuse & did precipitate his descent into schizophrenia. So the remaining members were not cool with psychedelics, and said as much in interviews. Shine On You Crazy Diamond is an album for Syd. Listen to the lyrics in the title track, and you'll hear their thoughts on the matter.


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23472540 - 07/24/16 02:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

thanks for the insight, Dark_Star :thumbup: it's always interesting to find out more about the driving forces behind artist's work.


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23472574 - 07/24/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Pretty sure around Piper At The Gates Of Dawn they were all experimenting with a solid amount of drugs. Rogers always has tried to deny it but its pretty clear in many early interviews and videos that they have been getting fucked up on something :shrug: I have heard Gilmour was a coke head too which would not be very surprising. Maybe they all stopped using drugs as much over the years but they clearly had some influence especially early on.

It was the 60's and 70's after all :lol:


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: musiclover420]
    #23473171 - 07/24/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Found this from 1994,

Q: Have you yourself taken LSD?

Gilmour: A few times, but LSD was clearly not our thing. After all, the man I have replaced, Syd Barrett, has suffered real damage from LSD and similar drugs. He was useless [after that]. I haven't seen him for 20 years. He lives in a house in Cambridge, goes shopping and washes his clothes in a launderette. But that is about all he is capable of doing.


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: ByCoverOfNight]
    #23477055 - 07/25/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The Wall is about Waters upbringing with elements of Syd, together that makes Pink but it's obviously more waters, the most talented of the bunch, that makes up the bulk of Pink. Waters is the shit I don't even enjoy PF till he took over much of the writing


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: BaronVonBud] * 1
    #23477147 - 07/25/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Roger is a great writrer, I really love their work with Roger but his ego got the best of him. The band went on and I love it all.
The Endless River also has Talkin Hawkin. Another tune with Stephen Hawking's voice!


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Headrush]
    #23479782 - 07/26/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What's your favorite album?


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: BaronVonBud]
    #23480175 - 07/26/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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What's your favorite album?



Feels general but have to say Darkside followed by Shine On, Animals but really love it all. The early stuff with Syd is not my cup of tea. I also love Gilmour's solo work.


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Headrush]
    #23480203 - 07/26/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ya, there's not enough blues feel to the first 2-3 albums. I like the wall the most for the theatrics
To me the first album and all of Barrets solo stuff and pretty much all early English rock and the byrds all sounds the same


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: BaronVonBud]
    #23483347 - 07/27/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I don't always lose mind with substance abuse to amplify my abandonment and mommy issues but when I do I prefer Pink Floyd The Wall.:mostinteresting:


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Starstepper]
    #23483737 - 07/27/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't always lose mind with substance abuse to amplify my abandonment and mommy issues but when I do I prefer Pink Floyd The Wall.:mostinteresting:



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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23483767 - 07/27/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Syd didn't "abuse" LSD any more than anyone else in "the scene" did at the time. In many interviews members of the band have described how Syd would hang out/live with people (groupies etc.) whom would put LSD in his food and drink to the point that he lost the ability to distinguish between reality and tripping. He was at one point examined and  diagnosed with schizophrenia. He lived in Cambridge with his mom till he died.


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: ByCoverOfNight]
    #23484332 - 07/28/16 01:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I just watched the making of wish you were here documentary a couple of weeks ago. I never knew they were so done with Floyd in a way they could just walk away and say you know dark side was our best and if that's how were remembered then word. But the weird shit that synched up with that album and shine on and Syd showing up at the studio and the rest of the band has no idea it's him. They have before and after photos of Syd and there's no way you would EVER know.

Legit documentary and really a great personal insight to my favorite work of theirs. Shine on is nothing short of one of musics masterpieces.


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: dcthestar]
    #23485595 - 07/28/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Now looking into Syd not being crazy, but backing out of what he foresaw as perhaps being made into a CIA programming broadcaster. It should have PF management, the Rolling Stones, and JFK in the same institution
That's a fun one to read there may be videos

What if they are telling him to shine because they know he's faking it


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: BaronVonBud]
    #23485800 - 07/28/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Now looking into Syd not being crazy, but backing out of what he foresaw as perhaps being made into a CIA programming broadcaster. It should have PF management, the Rolling Stones, and JFK in the same institution
That's a fun one to read there may be videos

What if they are telling him to shine because they know he's faking it



Now that's another way to look at it. Maybe Syd knew too much! Your link didn't work but would like to read that.


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Headrush]
    #23485830 - 07/28/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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You reached for the secret too soon, you cried for the moon.




I always assumed that was about him going to far out too young and going crazy but who knows :shrug:


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: psychobla]
    #23485862 - 07/28/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I totally thought you'd be referencing the gnome song :grin:
Terence McKenna referenced this one himself.







SAME! :hippie:

I personally don't prescribe to the theory that Syd lost his shit permanently as someone who struggles with mental illness and uses psychedelics. It's interesting to note that Syd was never officially diagnosed with anything. I get the feeling like Syd was just not keen on the idea of being a pop idol. I think the slamming him, saying he was incompetent and what not from the other band members was just them being butthurt because he wouldn't play in Pink Floyd. Hence "shine on you crazy diamond" like there way of saying comeback you asshole.


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
    #23485920 - 07/28/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

How much have you guys actually read up on Syd? I have heard some pretty crazy things about him when he started losing it.

Granted it's been awhile since I read up on the subject much but I definitely remember some bizarre stories, I will try and sum them up:

He would de tune his guitar on stage while they were trying to play, either Nick or Wright I believe claimed at one point while backstage he had a lude (I think, some pill) and proceeds to crush it up over his head. I have also heard in his later years people heard really strange noises coming from his residence, stuff like animal howling. I forget exactly becouse its been so long but you get the point.

Apparently his family denies he had any mental illness which is probably why they never bothered to get him diagnosed.

It's also worth noting Rogers firmly believes he was schizo and Gilmore believes it probably would have happened anyways but the drugs were a catalyst.


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free



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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: musiclover420]
    #23485962 - 07/28/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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musiclover420 said:
How much have you guys actually read up on Syd? I have heard some pretty crazy things about him when he started losing it.

Granted it's been awhile since I read up on the subject much but I definitely remember some bizarre stories, I will try and sum them up:

He would de tune his guitar on stage while they were trying to play, either Nick or Wright I believe claimed at one point while backstage he had a lude (I think, some pill) and proceeds to crush it up over his head. I have also heard in his later years people heard really strange noises coming from his residence, stuff like animal howling. I forget exactly becouse its been so long but you get the point.

Apparently his family denies he had any mental illness which is probably why they never bothered to get him diagnosed.

It's also worth noting Rogers firmly believes he was schizo and Gilmore believes it probably would have happened anyways but the drugs were a catalyst.




I was quite obsessed with Roger "Syd" Barrett in high school and probably know more about him then anyone here. As far as the articles where people claim to have heard wierd noises coming from his apt and shit, I don't take rumors seriously, I'm quite aware his meltdown and also know what a psychotic episode is as someone who's had one and came out of it, 6 months later.


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
    #23486187 - 07/28/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I never read any articles, just a book or two written by people who worked with that band over the years but it has been a long time like I said.

Coming out of a psychotic episode months later is one thing but he lived with his family until he died, not that anything is particularly wrong with that :shrug:

A lot of signs point to him being schizo though and at the very least something was not right with him. We will probably never know for sure though.


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #23486224 - 07/28/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Mckenna talks about a 'gnome way to say hurray' in one of his talkings. That gnome comes directly from the Pink Floyd song 'The Gnome' from their very first album 'The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn'.


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: zeric]
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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
    #23486501 - 07/28/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Never heard that mix. Very nice ^^


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
    #23488676 - 07/29/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ya, people will claim anything to be part of something especially when the guy next door is a star.
Where's the medical records from the girl friend getting a guitar smashed on her head ?thats a serious injury.


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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: BaronVonBud]
    #23490990 - 07/30/16 12:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

3 gram's and Ummagumma tonight with headphones. What a trip,


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