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Chakra Shock
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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Dark_Star]
#23472540 - 07/24/16 02:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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thanks for the insight, Dark_Star it's always interesting to find out more about the driving forces behind artist's work.
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musiclover420
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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Dark_Star]
#23472574 - 07/24/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pretty sure around Piper At The Gates Of Dawn they were all experimenting with a solid amount of drugs. Rogers always has tried to deny it but its pretty clear in many early interviews and videos that they have been getting fucked up on something I have heard Gilmour was a coke head too which would not be very surprising. Maybe they all stopped using drugs as much over the years but they clearly had some influence especially early on.
It was the 60's and 70's after all
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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: musiclover420]
#23473171 - 07/24/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Found this from 1994,
Q: Have you yourself taken LSD?
Gilmour: A few times, but LSD was clearly not our thing. After all, the man I have replaced, Syd Barrett, has suffered real damage from LSD and similar drugs. He was useless [after that]. I haven't seen him for 20 years. He lives in a house in Cambridge, goes shopping and washes his clothes in a launderette. But that is about all he is capable of doing.
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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: ByCoverOfNight]
#23477055 - 07/25/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Wall is about Waters upbringing with elements of Syd, together that makes Pink but it's obviously more waters, the most talented of the bunch, that makes up the bulk of Pink. Waters is the shit I don't even enjoy PF till he took over much of the writing
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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: BaronVonBud] 1
#23477147 - 07/25/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Roger is a great writrer, I really love their work with Roger but his ego got the best of him. The band went on and I love it all. The Endless River also has Talkin Hawkin. Another tune with Stephen Hawking's voice!
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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Headrush]
#23479782 - 07/26/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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What's your favorite album?
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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: BaronVonBud]
#23480175 - 07/26/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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BaronVonBud said: What's your favorite album?
Feels general but have to say Darkside followed by Shine On, Animals but really love it all. The early stuff with Syd is not my cup of tea. I also love Gilmour's solo work.
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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Headrush]
#23480203 - 07/26/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ya, there's not enough blues feel to the first 2-3 albums. I like the wall the most for the theatrics To me the first album and all of Barrets solo stuff and pretty much all early English rock and the byrds all sounds the same
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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: BaronVonBud]
#23483347 - 07/27/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't always lose mind with substance abuse to amplify my abandonment and mommy issues but when I do I prefer Pink Floyd The Wall.
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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Starstepper]
#23483737 - 07/27/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Starstepper said: I don't always lose mind with substance abuse to amplify my abandonment and mommy issues but when I do I prefer Pink Floyd The Wall.
 Nice.
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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Dark_Star]
#23483767 - 07/27/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Syd didn't "abuse" LSD any more than anyone else in "the scene" did at the time. In many interviews members of the band have described how Syd would hang out/live with people (groupies etc.) whom would put LSD in his food and drink to the point that he lost the ability to distinguish between reality and tripping. He was at one point examined and diagnosed with schizophrenia. He lived in Cambridge with his mom till he died.
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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: ByCoverOfNight]
#23484332 - 07/28/16 01:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just watched the making of wish you were here documentary a couple of weeks ago. I never knew they were so done with Floyd in a way they could just walk away and say you know dark side was our best and if that's how were remembered then word. But the weird shit that synched up with that album and shine on and Syd showing up at the studio and the rest of the band has no idea it's him. They have before and after photos of Syd and there's no way you would EVER know.
Legit documentary and really a great personal insight to my favorite work of theirs. Shine on is nothing short of one of musics masterpieces.
-------------------- you better pray to god there's some fucking thorazine in that bag
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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: dcthestar]
#23485595 - 07/28/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Now looking into Syd not being crazy, but backing out of what he foresaw as perhaps being made into a CIA programming broadcaster. It should have PF management, the Rolling Stones, and JFK in the same institution That's a fun one to read there may be videos
What if they are telling him to shine because they know he's faking it
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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: BaronVonBud]
#23485800 - 07/28/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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BaronVonBud said: Now looking into Syd not being crazy, but backing out of what he foresaw as perhaps being made into a CIA programming broadcaster. It should have PF management, the Rolling Stones, and JFK in the same institution That's a fun one to read there may be videos
What if they are telling him to shine because they know he's faking it
Now that's another way to look at it. Maybe Syd knew too much! Your link didn't work but would like to read that.
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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: Headrush]
#23485830 - 07/28/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You reached for the secret too soon, you cried for the moon.
I always assumed that was about him going to far out too young and going crazy but who knows
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: psychobla]
#23485862 - 07/28/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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psychobla said: I totally thought you'd be referencing the gnome song Terence McKenna referenced this one himself.
SAME! 
I personally don't prescribe to the theory that Syd lost his shit permanently as someone who struggles with mental illness and uses psychedelics. It's interesting to note that Syd was never officially diagnosed with anything. I get the feeling like Syd was just not keen on the idea of being a pop idol. I think the slamming him, saying he was incompetent and what not from the other band members was just them being butthurt because he wouldn't play in Pink Floyd. Hence "shine on you crazy diamond" like there way of saying comeback you asshole.
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How much have you guys actually read up on Syd? I have heard some pretty crazy things about him when he started losing it.
Granted it's been awhile since I read up on the subject much but I definitely remember some bizarre stories, I will try and sum them up:
He would de tune his guitar on stage while they were trying to play, either Nick or Wright I believe claimed at one point while backstage he had a lude (I think, some pill) and proceeds to crush it up over his head. I have also heard in his later years people heard really strange noises coming from his residence, stuff like animal howling. I forget exactly becouse its been so long but you get the point.
Apparently his family denies he had any mental illness which is probably why they never bothered to get him diagnosed.
It's also worth noting Rogers firmly believes he was schizo and Gilmore believes it probably would have happened anyways but the drugs were a catalyst.
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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: musiclover420]
#23485962 - 07/28/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: How much have you guys actually read up on Syd? I have heard some pretty crazy things about him when he started losing it.
Granted it's been awhile since I read up on the subject much but I definitely remember some bizarre stories, I will try and sum them up:
He would de tune his guitar on stage while they were trying to play, either Nick or Wright I believe claimed at one point while backstage he had a lude (I think, some pill) and proceeds to crush it up over his head. I have also heard in his later years people heard really strange noises coming from his residence, stuff like animal howling. I forget exactly becouse its been so long but you get the point.
Apparently his family denies he had any mental illness which is probably why they never bothered to get him diagnosed.
It's also worth noting Rogers firmly believes he was schizo and Gilmore believes it probably would have happened anyways but the drugs were a catalyst.
I was quite obsessed with Roger "Syd" Barrett in high school and probably know more about him then anyone here. As far as the articles where people claim to have heard wierd noises coming from his apt and shit, I don't take rumors seriously, I'm quite aware his meltdown and also know what a psychotic episode is as someone who's had one and came out of it, 6 months later.
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musiclover420
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I never read any articles, just a book or two written by people who worked with that band over the years but it has been a long time like I said.
Coming out of a psychotic episode months later is one thing but he lived with his family until he died, not that anything is particularly wrong with that 
A lot of signs point to him being schizo though and at the very least something was not right with him. We will probably never know for sure though.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Terence McKenna's theory in Pink Floyd song? [Re: musiclover420] 1
#23486224 - 07/28/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mckenna talks about a 'gnome way to say hurray' in one of his talkings. That gnome comes directly from the Pink Floyd song 'The Gnome' from their very first album 'The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn'.
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