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How did shroomery survive for such a long time?
    #23466853 - 07/22/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

don't get me wrong.. love it here.
But I am sure that we all know that a lot topics contain information about illegal substances.
Certainly the drug enforcement administration isn't very happy about people giving advice how to grow psychedelics/weed. A lot of people here grow their own stuff, give advice how to consume them.
Many websites get shut down by the government. How did shroomery survived for such a long time with no trouble. Just asking. Love it here and it's the best.


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: crissel] * 2
    #23467194 - 07/22/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I haven't seen any similar websites being shut down.

Most speech is protected by the first amendment.

Online drug enforcement typically only goes after big sellers, and we don't have any of those here....and if we did, liability would fall on the seller, not us because we ban anyone we notice trying to sell illegal things here.


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23467307 - 07/22/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I have seen quite a few been taken down. (in different countries)
I mean do we have to worry, that they could potentially track any of us down ?
They could literally get any of us into trouble if they really wanted to for having shrooms or other stuff.


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: crissel] * 1
    #23467481 - 07/22/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I have seen quite a few been taken down. (in different countries)




I haven't seen any taken down in the USA that weren't selling illegal drugs.


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I mean do we have to worry, that they could potentially track any of us down ?





You can worry as much as you want, however no one has complained of being tracked down by posting pictures of mushrooms online. 

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They could literally get any of us into trouble if they really wanted to for having shrooms or other stuff.




That's not really how law enforcement works.  They don't troll the internet looking for people who use drugs or grow small amounts.  They could just check google for that and find millions of names....but it's no fun to bust someone for a victimless crime that is far away from your jurisdiction anyway.  The cops don't really care about drugs, they know a lot of people use them and unless you get high and do fucked up shit to people, it's not something they are going to be tracking down your IP address for.



If you are paranoid, mention that you took the pics at a friends house or a year ago.  Probable cause goes stale pretty quickly in the USA. 

EXIF data is automatically stripped from all pics uploaded to this site, so you don't need to worry about timestamps or gps coordinates being included in the images.





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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23468315 - 07/23/16 04:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

thanks alan :smile:


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: crissel]
    #23468431 - 07/23/16 07:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The only one that I ever heard getting taking down was Overgrow because Marc Emory had it connected to his seed bank. The transformation of information is almost always legal under the constitution, except certain information like kiddie porn photos and maybe some terrorist stuff.


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: crissel]
    #23469331 - 07/23/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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crissel said:
don't get me wrong.. love it here.
But I am sure that we all know that a lot topics contain information about illegal substances.
Certainly the drug enforcement administration isn't very happy about people giving advice how to grow psychedelics/weed. A lot of people here grow their own stuff, give advice how to consume them.
Many websites get shut down by the government. How did shroomery survived for such a long time with no trouble. Just asking. Love it here and it's the best.



Cuz agents frequent this site for information. With The Shroomery in business, they know where the Magic Mushroom crowd hangs out. If they shut it down, it creates chaos, as the peeps move to other sites (or no site at all). They would be shooting themselves in the foot; destroying a great source of leads and intelligence.

It's sorta like assassinating an "evil" dictator. It doesn't change the fact that there's a whole crowd of people with a certain viewpoint. Soon thereafter, a new one rises to power, the whole political structure changes, and it's a ton of hassle and a decade to re-establish the boundaries--only to end up right where they started from. It's better to work with whatever political structure is established and in place.

I should probably also mention the first amendment, but realistically...


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
    #23470065 - 07/23/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

yeah makes sense to have all people in one place.
like a shepherd who guards herds of sheep.

But what are they looking for when they don't do anything?
Just checking what the community is up to or are they looking for users that might deal with great amounts psychedelics?


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: crissel]
    #23471278 - 07/24/16 02:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That one is easy. It's a peer to peer venue on which the owners have no legal responsibility to what somebody says on the site. Freedom of speech is still a human right guaranteed by the US Constitution (but for how long?). The owners keep their noses clean.

Also if you you were in the FED's shoes, would you want to get rid of a very big and easy fishing hole? I mean think about it- the ever popular "Post your...." threads. For example if the picture was taken from a newer cellphone the images have the date, time, UUID number, and GPS locations are all embedded in the data.

Will they go after someone growing a few cakes in a tub, or growing a single cannabis plant in their closet, probably not. Would they go after someone who brags they grew 10 pounds of weed and gloats about how much money they got- probably.


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23471568 - 07/24/16 07:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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EXIF data is automatically stripped from all pics uploaded to this site, so you don't need to worry about timestamps or gps coordinates being included in the images.





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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: Eywa_devotee] * 2
    #23473733 - 07/24/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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crissel said:
But what are they looking for when they don't do anything?
Just checking what the community is up to or are they looking for users that might deal with great amounts psychedelics?





My guess is that they aren't looking very much.  Certainly they show up a few times because we show up in their google searches...But I doubt they visit the site regularly or really care what people say.

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Also if you you were in the FED's shoes, would you want to get rid of a very big and easy fishing hole? I mean think about it- the ever popular "Post your...." threads. For example if the picture was taken from a newer cellphone the images have the date, time, UUID number, and GPS locations are all embedded in the data.





All that data is stripped upon uploading.



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Will they go after someone growing a few cakes in a tub, or growing a single cannabis plant in their closet, probably not. Would they go after someone who brags they grew 10 pounds of weed and gloats about how much money they got- probably.





Its possible but I haven't really noticed them going after anyone.  People who post large amounts don't seem to be getting busted much.

The truth is that cops don't really care about mushrooms, nor do they take the drug war super seriously.  There are plenty of idiots who get busted with regular police work, they don't need to troll the net to find more.


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23514165 - 08/05/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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All that data is stripped upon uploading.




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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: GPryder]
    #23520968 - 08/08/16 01:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If I was a fed I would be looking right at the shroomery and putting people undercover in it. How it has survived for such a long time is a good question, but I have an idea why as well as some other sites.


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: tdubz] * 1
    #23520999 - 08/08/16 02:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If I was a fed I would be looking right at the shroomery and putting people undercover in it.




That isn't how the feds work, they don't do random operations on random websites to catch people who have personal use amounts of drugs.  If they are going to do an operation it would be on people who are much higher up in the supply chain than people who post here.  There are many people who routinely ship large amounts of drugs and they are easy to find on the darknet, people who grow a few mushrooms aren't really on their radar.


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but I have an idea why as well as some other sites.




What's your idea?

Freedom of speech & safe harbor provision since the site owners aren't doing anything illegal and routinely ban those who use the site illegally?


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23521002 - 08/08/16 02:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Name some other mushroom sites with the amount of traffic shroomery has? Or any drug website for that matter.


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: tdubz] * 1
    #23610085 - 09/04/16 02:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #23627209 - 09/08/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Because they do right. :smile:


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: LateForTheFuture]
    #23627557 - 09/08/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Everything is logged on the I net more than ever, an this site is a goldmine just saying....THINK.


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: tdubz] * 1
    #23629960 - 09/09/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Your paranoia is suspect enough to warrant further investigation. Try to chill. Remember. It's always someone you no. A friend,coworker,associate,acquaintance,ect are always the ones who will rat on you and get you in trouble. Not some web site. But by far, 9 out of 10 times. It's your PIC (Partner In Crime) who gets you busted. People can't help it to blame others. Survival instinct? Who knows. Always do your dirt alone.


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: tdubz]
    #23630920 - 09/09/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Everything is logged on the I net more than ever, an this site is a goldmine just saying....THINK.






And then what happens?    Nothing?


What ever happened to all the thousands of people who posted pics of illegal mushrooms?  Nothing?

But they are after you.  Sure they are.


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23631026 - 09/09/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

And you this how? No one knows how many people have been busted directly or indirectly using the shroomey, maybe the gov just tags you an that's all. Is it unfathomable to think the government is building a metadata base on every single person that is using the internet? I would say no, that is our new reality.


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: tdubz]
    #23631218 - 09/10/16 01:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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And you this how? No one knows how many people have been busted directly or indirectly using the shroomey, maybe the gov just tags you an that's all. Is it unfathomable to think the government is building a metadata base on every single person that is using the internet? I would say no, that is our new reality.



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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: tdubz]
    #23631462 - 09/10/16 07:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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And you this how? No one knows how many people have been busted directly or indirectly using the shroomey, maybe the gov just tags you an that's all. Is it unfathomable to think the government is building a metadata base on every single person that is using the internet? I would say no, that is our new reality.





No one has complained about it - the people who get busted know exactly why they were busted.  No one is like....idk, feds just showed up.

I post pics of illegal mushrooms on the shroomery all the time and no one cares.  Feds don't care.  What are they going to do, show up at my door and take my 1.5 grams of some rare Psilocybe?

If I was on some kind of list, I would probably be searched by customs.....and they would be like omg, you have 300 bags of mushrooms and one of them is half a gram of Psilocybe, off to jail you go!

I am pretty sure that no one cares about mushrooms.  Why would they?  If you get pulled over driving drunk, sure, they'll get you with the mushrooms - but it's not something they look for.


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23631469 - 09/10/16 07:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:awesketch:


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    #23637582 - 09/12/16 02:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

OP must of got Busted.


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #23699201 - 10/02/16 05:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

they have drones and satalites and facial recognition technologies.  i think that anyone with a US drivers license could potentially be located anywhere in the world.  The government knows that people would never agree to to have some implanted chip or personal locater/id thing so yeah.


and my suspicions may not be that far off or wacky.  I googled some crap and as always the internet delivers exactly what you want to believe http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2015/06/11/facial-recognition-technology-is-everywhere-it-may-not-be-legal/


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: sprinkles]
    #23699404 - 10/02/16 08:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I could probably USTFE but why did the Hive go down?


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: vandago]
    #23699543 - 10/02/16 09:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

because - Illuminati:thumbup:


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: hellno]
    #23699552 - 10/02/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

and you'd be surprised to know that alot of feds, hollywood, top dogs, cia, nsa, black ops,, secret organization guys are into lsd/psychedelic drugs


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: hellno]
    #23702349 - 10/03/16 03:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

indeed.


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: hellno]
    #23704616 - 10/03/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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and you'd be surprised to know that alot of feds, hollywood, top dogs, cia, nsa, black ops,, secret organization guys are into lsd/psychedelic drugs





This doesn't surprise me at all.

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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: crissel]
    #23743656 - 10/16/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

because shroomery is a global thing its not just in the US


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Re: How did shroomery survive for such a long time? [Re: sprinkles]
    #23819944 - 11/10/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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tdubz said:
And you this how? No one knows how many people have been busted directly or indirectly using the shroomey, maybe the gov just tags you an that's all. Is it unfathomable to think the government is building a metadata base on every single person that is using the internet? I would say no, that is our new reality.





No one has complained about it - the people who get busted know exactly why they were busted.  No one is like....idk, feds just showed up.

I post pics of illegal mushrooms on the shroomery all the time and no one cares.  Feds don't care.  What are they going to do, show up at my door and take my 1.5 grams of some rare Psilocybe?

If I was on some kind of list, I would probably be searched by customs.....and they would be like omg, you have 300 bags of mushrooms and one of them is half a gram of Psilocybe, off to jail you go!

I am pretty sure that no one cares about mushrooms.  Why would they?  If you get pulled over driving drunk, sure, they'll get you with the mushrooms - but it's not something they look for.




You probably are on some sort of watch list given your work. The NSA puts people on watch lists for as little as visiting "Linux Journal" but nothing really comes of it except they gather data on you... but they gather data on every citizen... :shrug:

all of the data collected (and there is a lot, they have tapped undersea communication cables) is fed through powerful algorythms like "xkeyscore" which searches for keywords and potentially more.

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and you'd be surprised to know that alot of feds, hollywood, top dogs, cia, nsa, black ops,, secret organization guys are into lsd/psychedelic drugs




the fbi has had a difficult time recruiting people from the tech industry as many professional coders tend to like marijuana.

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they have drones and satalites and facial recognition technologies.  i think that anyone with a US drivers license could potentially be located anywhere in the world.  The government knows that people would never agree to to have some implanted chip or personal locater/id thing so yeah.


and my suspicions may not be that far off or wacky.  I googled some crap and as always the internet delivers exactly what you want to believe http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2015/06/11/facial-recognition-technology-is-everywhere-it-may-not-be-legal/




the tolls where i live have facial scanners after you pay and exit the tolls. however, any security camera hooked up to a network has the potential to be used


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