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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23466681 - 07/22/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Its also been demonstrated that theres a prevalent racist element in the american legal system. Something that would have a heavy influence on those numbers.

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23466686 - 07/22/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

As long as they commit a far greater amount of crime as compared to their percentage of the population, they will have a far greater amount of scrutiny and arrests. Rightly so and nothing racist about it.


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23466689 - 07/22/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Nationalist usually are. Professional victim nationalist always are


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23466709 - 07/22/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
In what circumstance would that be the case?

Race is a social construct.




:justno:

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23466722 - 07/22/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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clock_of_omens said:
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The Ecstatic said:
In what circumstance would that be the case?

Race is a social construct.




:justno:




Your credibility continues to slide.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue/


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23466730 - 07/22/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Perhaps' it's not 'uppity negroes', but rather what they are currently being 'uppity' about.

Regardless, 1966!  :lolsy:

Why not go back to the 1800's? It'd be equally irrelevant.





The historical perception of black demonstrators by whites as hurting their own cause is irrelevant to this thread how?

Also, 50 years isnt that big of a space on a cultural timeline. It takes generations to change things like racism, Americans didnt manage to do it in one.

"Welp, Civil Rights Act. Guess I'll support the government that I vehemently disagree with and teach those disagreeable things to my children rather than how I would have yesterday. Also, better change my entire personality because I dont want to appear to be against the civil rights act around friends, family, and coworkers, let alone complete strangers."



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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23466749 - 07/22/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Not to mention the whole premise of policing black areas more heavily is completely against the presumption of innocence. Its institutional oppression.




No it isn't.  If there is a high rate of crime and police called to a certain area, it is only logical that police presence is increased in that area.  If a white neighborhood reports a string of break-ins, then police presence would be increased in that area. 

Things like "Stop and Frisk" IS against the presumption of innocence and a direct violation of rights and CAN be used to profile.  That is localized corruption, not nationwide systemic corruption.

A police presence in a high crime area is called common sense.




Prove its localized, back up what you're saying. Police presence is fine, targeting blacks is not. Theres clear indicators theyre being targeted. The statistics that indicate this are gathered from federal agencies.




Because only a few cities have "Stop and Frisk" laws, that is why it is localized.  And I agree, targeting blacks in "Stop and Frisk" instances is not right.

But increased policing in an area where crime is high and just so happens to be black certainly is rational.

For the last time, the argument that the legal system is prejudice in sentencing based on numbers that only show race but does not show other factors like recidivism, community standing, comparative sentencing within districts, and all the other points made is an illogical conclusion.  To deny the significance of these things is to be dishonest with oneself.

I can understand why one would think it proves racism, and I'm not denying that there MIGHT be racism involved in sentencing, I'm saying it can't conclusively be inferred simply by looking at statistics that show sentencing and race without applying the other factors that go into sentencing which certainly affect sentence length. 

I remember an article in my town was released that police must fill out race reports in order to increase accountability regarding race.  If that isn't a nation-wide thing then IDK why. 

I do know that one of the officers told on his captain for requiring quotas regarding speeding tickets and fines, but there was no mention of targeting black people.


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23466754 - 07/22/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

The drug laws are pretty ridiculous, but the fact is if you are poor and live in a high crime area and are doing drugs then you are sabotaging yourself.


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23466763 - 07/22/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
The historical perception of black demonstrators by whites as hurting their own cause is irrelevant to this thread how?




Because they had legitimate complaints back in the 60's.


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23467759 - 07/22/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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clock_of_omens said:
It's called generalizing from the available data, it's done all the time. What's more likely: arrest rates are an accurate reflection of population averages in crime rates or there is a racist conspiracy to ignore white crime and go after blacks? I think it's pretty obvious.




Arrest rates correlate strongly with criminality, im not arguing that. Im arguing that the correlation isnt 100%.

Theres a perception that blacks are criminals, so the police look for blacks. Its called confirmatiom bias and there doesnt need to be a nationwide conspiracy for it to exist.






so when the description of a robber is a white male in his 30s the cops go
rousting black people because they know black people are criminals

I suspect you dont know what you're talking about

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23467772 - 07/22/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:


Race is a social construct.






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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Apostle] * 2
    #23467779 - 07/22/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Race doesn't exist until my mom tries to get a bone marrow transplant


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: BaronVonBud]
    #23467784 - 07/22/16 10:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup:

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Apostle] * 1
    #23467841 - 07/22/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

If race doesn't exist then what the fuck is the purpose of crying racism?


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 1
    #23467846 - 07/22/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

that sig tho :rofl:

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23467883 - 07/22/16 11:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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MrBlueYoMind said:
If race doesn't exist then what the fuck is the purpose of crying racism?




who exactly is pointing out racism?  people should say which side they are on before they post.  hmmm....

Edited by enlightened seed (07/22/16 11:21 PM)

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Apostle]
    #23467939 - 07/22/16 11:35 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Apostle said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:


Race is a social construct.










You should read this book
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mismeasure_of_Man


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: koods]
    #23467956 - 07/22/16 11:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I been looking at stuff from James Watson

i'll check that out too

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: BaronVonBud]
    #23467966 - 07/22/16 11:42 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Race doesn't exist until my mom tries to get a bone marrow transplant



It's genetic similarity that is important. Matching two people with ancestors from the same region of the world is much more likely than a match if the ancestors are from disparate regions.

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23468398 - 07/23/16 06:34 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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clock_of_omens said:
It's called generalizing from the available data, it's done all the time. What's more likely: arrest rates are an accurate reflection of population averages in crime rates or there is a racist conspiracy to ignore white crime and go after blacks? I think it's pretty obvious.




Arrest rates correlate strongly with criminality, im not arguing that. Im arguing that the correlation isnt 100%.

Theres a perception that blacks are criminals, so the police look for blacks. Its called confirmatiom bias and there doesnt need to be a nationwide conspiracy for it to exist.






so when the description of a robber is a white male in his 30s the cops go
rousting black people because they know black people are criminals

I suspect you dont know what you're talking about




What a stupid fucking example. What point are you trying to make with this nonsense?


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