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hostileuniverse said: Okay but that where you are NOT being honest, no one is taking away your right To use a bathroom, you can, and always have, been able to use the bathroom.
Now that we've established that, let's get to the crux, you wanna feel comfortable in the bathroom, correct? Well so do most women and children,
No one, not even trump, is worried about you, it's sex offenders that you KNOW are gonna abuse this law, how do you feel about that?
we have a legal immigration system, we should use it
Bro, you're not making any sense. If there's male sex offenders that could go in the women's bathroom, there's also male sex offenders that could go in the boy's bathroom.
So what you're saying is, you care about young girls being sexually assaulted, but not boys. Gotcha.
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Crystal G]
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hostileuniverse said: So why not go with the easiest, and safest, solution, use the bathroom that matches your actual gender, not just how you feel,
Like i said, I got no beef (no pun intended) with trans people, but im gonna side with right of women and children, why should they be subjected to Pervy old men?
Because trans women getting beaten up or harassed in bathrooms is all too common of a story. The fact that you don't realize this shows how much you don't understand the plight of trans people.
I mean jesus, I was sometimes insulted and harassed just cause I was going through a punk phase when I was younger and I looked "different," I can't even imagine the harassment trans people actually go through.
Imagine a trans woman stepping into a bar full of drunks, sexual harassment would be rife.
Okay, but right now, it's illegal to beat up and assault people, trans or not
This law isn't gonna stop that
It's only gonna make it easier for sexual predators to abuse women and children
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hostileuniverse said: So why not go with the easiest, and safest, solution, use the bathroom that matches your actual gender, not just how you feel,
Like i said, I got no beef (no pun intended) with trans people, but im gonna side with right of women and children, why should they be subjected to Pervy old men?
Because trans women getting beaten up or harassed in bathrooms is all too common of a story. The fact that you don't realize this shows how much you don't understand the plight of trans people.
I mean jesus, I was sometimes insulted and harassed just cause I was going through a punk phase when I was younger and I looked "different," I can't even imagine the harassment trans people actually go through.
Imagine a trans woman stepping into a bar full of drunks, sexual harassment would be rife.
Okay, but right now, it's illegal to beat up and assault people, trans or not
This law isn't gonna stop that
It's only gonna make it easier for sexual predators to abuse women and children
It's also already illegal to go into a bathroom to sexually harass people. You think a law is going to stop them?
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Obviously people aren't "worried" about me, they don't even notice me. They're worried-- without due cause-- about trans people who do get noticed, several of whom are my friends.
I have a naturally feminine appearance and genetics that respond vigorously to female hormones. Neither of those things has anything to do with whether I'm a predator or not.
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Crystal G]
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hostileuniverse said: Okay but that where you are NOT being honest, no one is taking away your right To use a bathroom, you can, and always have, been able to use the bathroom.
Now that we've established that, let's get to the crux, you wanna feel comfortable in the bathroom, correct? Well so do most women and children,
No one, not even trump, is worried about you, it's sex offenders that you KNOW are gonna abuse this law, how do you feel about that?
we have a legal immigration system, we should use it
Bro, you're not making any sense. If there's male sex offenders that could go in the women's bathroom, there's also male sex offenders that could go in the boy's bathroom.
So what you're saying is, you care about young girls being sexually assaulted, but not boys. Gotcha. 
That's actually a fair point
However, most women do not feel comfortable sharing a bathroom with men, there is also that. You've already admitted a lot of trans don't look like the gender they want to be. Do you not care about them? Or are they just bigoted conservatives?
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hostileuniverse said: Uh no, I have no idea what you are, but if you're a real trans, you can keep on keeping on, I'm sure you "look" the part, it's the pervy old men who Arnt allowed,
Plenty of genuine trans people don't "pass" for the gender they're trying to be. Some really look the part and look like men or other women, and others it is very obvious they are still men or women.
So why not go with the easiest, and safest, solution, use the bathroom that matches your actual gender, not just how you feel,
Like i said, I got no beef (no pun intended) with trans people, but im gonna side with right of women and children, why should they be subjected to Pervy old men?
If you truly want to protect the rights of women and children then you would be against HB2.
The innocent children affected by HB2 (4/22/16, Charlotte Observer)
if he were in north carolina then his views would be relevant on the bill
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This is circular, you two either aren't reading or just not comprehending, any law that makes it easier for the pervy men, NOT THE TRANS, to assault and harras women, is BS, IMO
Your friends who obviously don't look the part yet, do they enjoy making women feel uncomfortable? Because thats what they are doing.
I don't know the answer, but there is SICK fucks out there and any law that makes it easier for them to prey on women and children is fucking stupid. Period
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I think one's position on HB2 is a pretty good barometer of support for LGBT rights.
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hostileuniverse said: Okay but that where you are NOT being honest, no one is taking away your right To use a bathroom, you can, and always have, been able to use the bathroom.
Now that we've established that, let's get to the crux, you wanna feel comfortable in the bathroom, correct? Well so do most women and children,
No one, not even trump, is worried about you, it's sex offenders that you KNOW are gonna abuse this law, how do you feel about that?
we have a legal immigration system, we should use it
Bro, you're not making any sense. If there's male sex offenders that could go in the women's bathroom, there's also male sex offenders that could go in the boy's bathroom.
So what you're saying is, you care about young girls being sexually assaulted, but not boys. Gotcha. 
That's actually a fair point
However, most women do not feel comfortable sharing a bathroom with men, there is also that. You've already admitted a lot of trans don't look like the gender they want to be. Do you not care about them? Or are they just bigoted conservatives?
I've been to many establishments that have unisex bathrooms. Men and women pee and poop next to each other. Most people don't think anything of it. I think we need to get rid of this idea that men and women should be separated, because society doesn't think it's appropriate to see each other's private parts.
I personally think public nudity should be legal as well, and that people should be able to enjoy pools and saunas fully in the nude. Nothing beats swimming in the nude. It's so much more comfortable.
I'm very relaxed in this department however. I believe that the more people are exposed to the nude body of the opposite gender, the better they will behave in the long run the more they are used to it.
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Sophistic Radiance said: I think one's position on HB2 is a pretty good barometer of support for LGBT rights.
it should be pretty clear that genuine support for LGBT rights is pretty low, democrats claim support to garner more votes and nothing more, that's been shown in their statement I posted earlier when hillary and obama both said they dont support gay marriage and yet suddenly with election years they do support it. all those leaked DNC emails that they're blaming trump and russia for were not written by russia or trump and they paint a really telling tale of their mockery of the people they want to vote for them, that includes blacks, hispanics and the LGBTQ crowd
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hostileuniverse said: This is circular, you two either aren't reading or just not comprehending, any law that makes it easier for the pervy men, NOT THE TRANS, to assault and harras women, is BS, IMO
Your friends who obviously don't look the part yet, do they enjoy making women feel uncomfortable? Because thats what they are doing.
My friends who don't "look the part" are women who are made deeply uncomfortable by HB2 and similar laws. Wanna know how uncomfortable? Try not using any men's room for a week and you'll get a small taste. You'll likely never know the full extent of it, though, because (I'm guessing) you do not suffer from gender dysphoria. Maybe, to simulate that, you should try wearing a dress all week whilst continuing to use the men's room, see how that feels for you.
If you demand that they use the men's room because they don't "look the part" you are effectively forcing them to live in the closet and continue to live as men, because any kind of woman-- whether they're born female, whether they "look the part" or not-- is far more vulnerable to harassment in the men's room.
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Sophistic Radiance said: If you demand that they use the men's room because they don't "look the part" you are effectively forcing them to live in the closet and continue to live as men, because any kind of woman-- whether they're born female, whether they "look the part" or not-- is far more vulnerable to harassment in the men's room.
there have already been a number of women that have been harassed because they attempted to use the restroom of their birth gender because they didnt look like women to someone or another. so here's the question, who will be enforcing this shit and how?
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Prisoner#1]
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there have already been a number of women that have been harassed because they attempted to use the restroom of their birth gender because they didnt look like women to someone or another. so here's the question, who will be enforcing this shit and how?
Exactly, no one. Just like how nobody enforces to make sure nobody is molesting or assaulting people in the bathrooms.
And you should be asking that to hostile universe, not Sophie.
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Prisoner#1]
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That's a really good question, actually.
But you forget that it's not my job to justify HB2.
Likely the hysteria will die out, but HB2 will survive and continue to make NC unsafe for anybody who doesn't "look the part" of their gender. HB2 is essentially a free pass for bigots and predators to harass people who don't "look the part", whether they're trans or not, in the bathroom. It harms far more than it protects the rights of women and children.
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there have already been a number of women that have been harassed because they attempted to use the restroom of their birth gender because they didnt look like women to someone or another. so here's the question, who will be enforcing this shit and how?
Exactly, no one. Just like how nobody enforces to make sure nobody is molesting or assaulting people in the bathrooms.
And you should be asking that to hostile universe, not Sophie.
if they pass the laws then surely they'll have a TSA type screening, possibly public strip searches to check for a penis. I say that if the law passes in north carolina then everyone in opposition to the law goes to the capital to shit in the house chambers
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Prisoner#1]
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there have already been a number of women that have been harassed because they attempted to use the restroom of their birth gender because they didnt look like women to someone or another. so here's the question, who will be enforcing this shit and how?
Exactly, no one. Just like how nobody enforces to make sure nobody is molesting or assaulting people in the bathrooms.
And you should be asking that to hostile universe, not Sophie.
if they pass the laws then surely they'll have a TSA type screening, possibly public strip searches to check for a penis. I say that if the law passes in north carolina then everyone in opposition to the law goes to the capital to shit in the house chambers
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Prisoner#1]
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there have already been a number of women that have been harassed because they attempted to use the restroom of their birth gender because they didnt look like women to someone or another. so here's the question, who will be enforcing this shit and how?
Exactly, no one. Just like how nobody enforces to make sure nobody is molesting or assaulting people in the bathrooms.
And you should be asking that to hostile universe, not Sophie.
if they pass the laws then surely they'll have a TSA type screening, possibly public strip searches to check for a penis. I say that if the law passes in north carolina then everyone in opposition to the law goes to the capital to shit in the house chambers
 
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Crystal G]
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hostileuniverse said: So why not go with the easiest, and safest, solution, use the bathroom that matches your actual gender, not just how you feel,
Like i said, I got no beef (no pun intended) with trans people, but im gonna side with right of women and children, why should they be subjected to Pervy old men?
Because trans women getting beaten up or harassed in bathrooms is all too common of a story. The fact that you don't realize this shows how much you don't understand the plight of trans people.
I mean jesus, I was sometimes insulted and harassed just cause I was going through a punk phase when I was younger and I looked "different," I can't even imagine the harassment trans people actually go through.
Imagine a trans woman stepping into a bar full of drunks, sexual harassment would be rife.
Lol, I don't know if I've shared this story with you guys or not, but I like to trot it out whenever "the bathroom issue" comes up
A while ago I had to use a men's room because the women's room at the establishment was out of order. The men's room had a handwritten sign saying "UNISEX UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE". I walked in and right there, face toward the door, was a guy using the urinal.
It freaked him the fuck out. He made a painfully aborted attempt at smalltalk (Him: "Way of the future, huh? What with the transgender bathrooms..." Me: Lol). Even though he was clearly a professional of some kind, well groomed with a fine suit, he left without washing his hands, then he put a sign on the door saying "PLEASE KNOCK BEFORE ENTERING" in huge letters 
I felt so unwelcome in that men's room that it was actually kind of affirming
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Crystal G]
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there have already been a number of women that have been harassed because they attempted to use the restroom of their birth gender because they didnt look like women to someone or another. so here's the question, who will be enforcing this shit and how?
Exactly, no one. Just like how nobody enforces to make sure nobody is molesting or assaulting people in the bathrooms.
And you should be asking that to hostile universe, not Sophie.
if they pass the laws then surely they'll have a TSA type screening, possibly public strip searches to check for a penis. I say that if the law passes in north carolina then everyone in opposition to the law goes to the capital to shit in the house chambers
  
seriously, make the bastards that voted for it do the gender checking themselves, call it a protest, tell them you're exercising your constitutional rights to freedom of expression
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seriously, make the bastards that voted for it do the gender checking themselves, call it a protest, tell them you're exercising your constitutional rights to freedom of expression
Yeah, if we say we are pooping for artistic purposes or for political protest it will have to cover 1st amendment rights.
Here is what Trump says on whether women should be considered humans or not: http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/decision-to-consider-women-humans-should-be-left-to-states
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